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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 10 2020 03:52 GMT
#141
If we go based off what I said, then I’m inactive lol. But Vivax is the most inactive so far. I don’t mind just pressuring him.

I’m catching up on everyone else.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 10 2020 04:03 GMT
#142
Alright, so based off current game, I think Mr cheesecake is 100 town.

If I had to vote some one other than Vivax it would be Trfel just cause of his “I’m mafia” post. It’s really easy to claim it as mafia and get away with it D1 since most people wouldn’t want to believe it as this thread has shown.

HoldenGolden currently seems a bit forced, but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt for now.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 10 2020 04:09 GMT
#143
On August 10 2020 10:11 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2020 01:44 Eywa- wrote:
I read another game from HoldenGolden and there are several striking differences. In the other game, he doesn't really try to question other people in the same post that he's breaking out a scum read (he does that here). Also, he developed his read in the other game a lot more, here he posted the vote and then stated the read, but only after being asked. I also found his last game to be a lot more of a meme, his posts were less focused early and became more focused over the course of day 1 and developed into reads.

I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size.

The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games.

I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today.
Can I ask how you went about finding HoldenGolden's previous games? I wasn't aware that there were any previous games to look at?

I don't have many reads, unfortunately. I kinda like HoldenGolden though, he seems to be one of the few people who is active and poking around and trying to investigate things and get reads. Especially in an inactive game like this, that seems rather towny.

That's about all I have to say currently. Feel free to poke me, I'll try and check in every so often.


This post says nothing and does not address the guy voting you (me). Please engage with me. Do you not have a few vague reads asides from the Holden one? I realize that it is still early and the game has not exactly fleshed out, but a few things have happened at least that you can be commenting on. At least FF gave some substance.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 10 2020 04:18 GMT
#144
On August 10 2020 13:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright, so based off current game, I think Mr cheesecake is 100 town.

If I had to vote some one other than Vivax it would be Trfel just cause of his “I’m mafia” post. It’s really easy to claim it as mafia and get away with it D1 since most people wouldn’t want to believe it as this thread has shown.

HoldenGolden currently seems a bit forced, but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt for now.


Good to see you are posting. Why am I 100 town? I am not sure that anyone else has come to that conclusion but you so I am curious as to how you arrived there.

Holden is a bad lynch.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 10 2020 04:33 GMT
#145
On August 10 2020 13:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2020 13:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright, so based off current game, I think Mr cheesecake is 100 town.

If I had to vote some one other than Vivax it would be Trfel just cause of his “I’m mafia” post. It’s really easy to claim it as mafia and get away with it D1 since most people wouldn’t want to believe it as this thread has shown.

HoldenGolden currently seems a bit forced, but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt for now.


Good to see you are posting. Why am I 100 town? I am not sure that anyone else has come to that conclusion but you so I am curious as to how you arrived there.

Holden is a bad lynch.


Personally I think it’s how you’ve been trying to engage to Trfel, and your first post about him. I agreed with your take on his post. Typically I don’t like looking into D1 posts but after looking at how this mafia game is being rubbed, I’m kinda forced to do so. My other problem with Trfels opening post was that he essentially copied my opening post
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 10 2020 04:37 GMT
#146
I also don’t think Holden is a good lynch at this very moment. But definitely some one to revisit later.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 10 2020 04:49 GMT
#147
##vote: ShoCkeyy
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 10 2020 04:49 GMT
#148
you're just dancing around not saying who you actually want to vote make up your mind
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 10 2020 04:53 GMT
#149
On August 10 2020 13:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don’t think Holden is a good lynch at this very moment. But definitely some one to revisit later.


All of your posts right now I don't like. You call me super town, which in my experience mafia ends up doing to side with me on a bad read (and my Trfel read is pretty bad). Now, you do that thing where the mafia puts a lynch on the backburner. No backburner lynches. Only frontburner lynches.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 10 2020 04:59 GMT
#150
shockeyys having a rough start to the game here and he's not wrong there are a lot of inactives to worry about.

My vote stays but maybe we don't need to double team him right now
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 10 2020 05:03 GMT
#151
Meh. Not going to argue. Waste of time.

##vote Vivax

Let’s turn the pressure cooker on.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
August 10 2020 12:00 GMT
#152
On August 10 2020 08:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2020 05:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Like this activity isn't good for town because mafia can easily blend into the shadows with a very afk town like this....

see if you weren't LS this would read scummy to me but I for you this seems totally normal


Why bother to post about this tho? Also seems like a NAI thing to me.

I'm a bit unhappy with the way you justified not having a read on LS. Not sure if I find it believable, you know him too, at least try. This post just looks like you did the opposite of what you said you should be doing in the previous one.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
August 10 2020 12:03 GMT
#153
On August 10 2020 13:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright, so based off current game, I think Mr cheesecake is 100 town.

If I had to vote some one other than Vivax it would be Trfel just cause of his “I’m mafia” post. It’s really easy to claim it as mafia and get away with it D1 since most people wouldn’t want to believe it as this thread has shown.

HoldenGolden currently seems a bit forced, but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt for now.


Trfel should be null at most, I believe Holdens antics-y posts come from town. You can see he tried to style up his entrance, in a way. Sort of hard to keep up that enthusiasm as mafia for most so it's more on the town side for me.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
August 10 2020 12:42 GMT
#154
Won my clash tournament last night and just woke up!
On August 10 2020 08:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2020 05:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Like this activity isn't good for town because mafia can easily blend into the shadows with a very afk town like this....

see if you weren't LS this would read scummy to me but I for you this seems totally normal

Given how bad activity was I really wanted people to post so we can figure out who is scum easier.
On August 10 2020 21:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2020 08:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 10 2020 05:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Like this activity isn't good for town because mafia can easily blend into the shadows with a very afk town like this....

see if you weren't LS this would read scummy to me but I for you this seems totally normal


Why bother to post about this tho? Also seems like a NAI thing to me.

I'm a bit unhappy with the way you justified not having a read on LS. Not sure if I find it believable, you know him too, at least try. This post just looks like you did the opposite of what you said you should be doing in the previous one.

Do you think FF is mafia and if so is it for that post alone?
Also a lot inactives in this game wonderful -_-
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
HoldenGolden
Profile Joined July 2020
United States25 Posts
August 10 2020 12:50 GMT
#155
On August 10 2020 07:49 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2020 03:32 HoldenGolden wrote:
On August 10 2020 01:44 Eywa- wrote:
I read another game from HoldenGolden and there are several striking differences. In the other game, he doesn't really try to question other people in the same post that he's breaking out a scum read (he does that here). Also, he developed his read in the other game a lot more, here he posted the vote and then stated the read, but only after being asked. I also found his last game to be a lot more of a meme, his posts were less focused early and became more focused over the course of day 1 and developed into reads.

I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size.

The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games.

I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today.
hahaha I go off site to have a better town game, and I'm instantly metaed. Ok.

Is your scum read on me purely from meta, or is my play in a vaccum scummy too? Let's start here.

If you are a meta player though, I would suggest you read the follow meta analysis as it very accurately described my meta albeit it's somewhat dated. All it's missing really scum wise is the game where I rolled scum with another shitposter and we trolled the game by actively teasing we were scum together. Somehow we won lol
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=11762333#p11762333

Do you feel like you've succeeded so far?

Hard to tell given how early it is.

Normally I begin to start to aimlessly ask questions because I know Ill get town read instead of actually trying to solve the game. This leads me to becoming lazy and going "hmm, nah, this wasnt a bus by scum" or "yeah this guy whose acting like a little bitch is scum". That might not sound bad, but it has costed me too many games at this point bc even though I bleed town I'm never nightkilled for some reason.

Would you like to answer my question?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
August 10 2020 12:56 GMT
#156
I don't think Holden is mafia if anyone wondering I don't think his questioning is coming from a mafia point of view.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
HoldenGolden
Profile Joined July 2020
United States25 Posts
August 10 2020 12:58 GMT
#157
On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest
eywa

cheesecake

holden

I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while.

Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise

nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there.

vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot.

How do you think my posts are forced?

Walk me through your trfel read for a second. I understand why asking the questions could be town indicative, but do you think scum!trfel could make those posts?
HoldenGolden
Profile Joined July 2020
United States25 Posts
August 10 2020 13:01 GMT
#158
On August 10 2020 10:04 Hapahauli wrote:
There is no majority. Day will continue for another 24 hours.

As a side note, I think everyone should be voting their biggest scum lead no matter if it's even faint suspicions. It be easier to secure an elimination if we have active wagons going, and will give more info down the line. Plus we dont have the normal pressure of a set deadline to entice people to hurry up and vote.

Normally there is RVS but it seems yall dont do that lol.
HoldenGolden
Profile Joined July 2020
United States25 Posts
August 10 2020 13:19 GMT
#159
On August 10 2020 12:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2020 21:32 HoldenGolden wrote:
On August 09 2020 12:49 LightningStrike wrote:
oh wait holden is here
On August 09 2020 12:46 HoldenGolden wrote:
On August 09 2020 12:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Got 2nd place in clash T_T. Shockeyy looks a little forced? Trfel looks alright but nothing spectacular from his entrance? Will keep an eye on him. Holden looks alright.


Can you elaborate on how you feel Shockeyy seems to be forced tonally?

Out of curiosity, is trfel known for having spectacular entrances?

He was being overly happy type of forced at least tone wise I might reading into it to much. Trfel sometimes does spectacular entrances but more often than not doesn't.

Unvote
Vote: lightingstrike



On August 09 2020 15:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On August 09 2020 13:36 Trfel wrote:
On August 09 2020 11:56 HoldenGolden wrote:
1) he said it in the same sentence that he was answering my question about the voting thread. Therefore, it came off as if he was speaking to me still.

2) Mostly to get the ball rolling; there's no specific AI reason yet.
Thanks, that makes sense. I see now.


When people look into openings too hard, it gives me the jeebies.

Do you got jeebies now? If so, care to explain it to the class?



Typically when people dig too much into first day posts, I tend to start feeling like the person digging is scummy since D1 posts are usually not informative at all. But this is a different type of game, and no one voted at all.

For this next day, we’re going to have to focus on those that are just not posting at all.

I'm just trying to understand your head here so bear with me. Why can't those who are excessively digging at D1 posts be townies trying to create a useful day 1?

Why Vivax over Gtacc for your inactive elimination plan?

Same question I asked to Fecal: how am I forced?
HoldenGolden
Profile Joined July 2020
United States25 Posts
August 10 2020 13:22 GMT
#160
People alluded to it (I think it was Fecal?), but is LAMIST esk posts normal for town!Lightingboi?

Also congrats on winning clash lightingboi.

I be back to finish reading after my Zoom class.
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