EPT[N][M]Noir Mini Mafia - Ch. 5 - Page 10
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LightningStrike
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On August 11 2020 00:53 Eywa- wrote: ##vote: Vivax ? | ||
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Eywa-
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I feel like I don't have a very good grasp on the game unless the simple answer of GTacc/Vivax (at least one of) is mafia. The activity in the game has been hard to read and has left me not wanting to lynch Shockey or trfel which I'm hearing a lot about. I can't get GTacc lynched today, he probably forgot about the game tbh. He doesn't play much offsite. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On August 11 2020 00:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We are going to lynch Shockeyy today. The above post is from my last game 5 years ago. In this game, KelsierSC was mafia and was townreading me the entire game and sheeping my scumreads that were on town. I know this was a long time ago, but I remember it clearly because of how it felt when it happened. I remember that feeling, and I am feeling this now with Shockeyy. Shockeyy did the same thing where he just townread me and then agreed with my read on Trfel. Now, my read on Trfel is pretty bad. It was mainly intended to get something going. Trfel does need to post something of relative substance, but I find it interesting that nobody else in this thread commented on my Trfel vote with the exception of LightningStrike who said it was NAI. Why is Shockeyy agreeing with me? He does not like people who analyze opening posts, but he likes me? He gives me the jeebies. ##Unvote ##Vote: Shockeyy Stop being ignorant and bad at the game  | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On August 11 2020 01:08 Eywa- wrote: It's a good question, I'm finding a hard time explaining it myself. I feel like I don't have a very good grasp on the game unless the simple answer of GTacc/Vivax (at least one of) is mafia. The activity in the game has been hard to read and has left me not wanting to lynch Shockey or trfel which I'm hearing a lot about. I can't get GTacc lynched today, he probably forgot about the game tbh. He doesn't play much offsite. So in other words it's because Vivax isn't active? At least what I getting from this post but correct me if I am wrong there. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On August 10 2020 13:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I don't particularly care that you are voting for me. I see no reason to care.This post says nothing and does not address the guy voting you (me). Please engage with me. Do you not have a few vague reads asides from the Holden one? I realize that it is still early and the game has not exactly fleshed out, but a few things have happened at least that you can be commenting on. At least FF gave some substance. I didn't really have any other reads worth mentioning, no. I'm not going to try to pretend to have something where I don't. However I really don't like Mr. Cheesecake's above post (quoted). It feels rather aggressive while aggression is completely unwarranted. First, he accuses me of saying nothing (first, this is false because it's a townread on HoldenGolden; and second, it's a very short post, I didn't pretend to say anything anyway). And second, he justifies his request for reads by adding "at least Fecalfeast gave some substance" at the end. Why does he feel the need to justify asking me to provide reads? It feels very accusatory, and really feels like he's trying to tell me why I'm mafia. That said, Mr. Cheesecake's post on ShoCkeyy is not completely terrible. I find ShoCkeyy hard to read, so I'll re-evaluate this in a moment. Honestly Mr. Cheesecake being active and doing things is probably reason enough not to lynch him, even if he irks me. On August 11 2020 01:08 Eywa- wrote: Why does the low activity in this game make you hesitant to lynch me or ShoCkeyy specifically?The activity in the game has been hard to read and has left me not wanting to lynch Shockey or trfel which I'm hearing a lot about. | ||
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Trfel
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Vivax
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On August 11 2020 02:50 Trfel wrote: I don't particularly care that you are voting for me. I see no reason to care. I didn't really have any other reads worth mentioning, no. I'm not going to try to pretend to have something where I don't. However I really don't like Mr. Cheesecake's above post (quoted). It feels rather aggressive while aggression is completely unwarranted. First, he accuses me of saying nothing (first, this is false because it's a townread on HoldenGolden; and second, it's a very short post, I didn't pretend to say anything anyway). And second, he justifies his request for reads by adding "at least Fecalfeast gave some substance" at the end. Why does he feel the need to justify asking me to provide reads? It feels very accusatory, and really feels like he's trying to tell me why I'm mafia. That said, Mr. Cheesecake's post on ShoCkeyy is not completely terrible. I find ShoCkeyy hard to read, so I'll re-evaluate this in a moment. Honestly Mr. Cheesecake being active and doing things is probably reason enough not to lynch him, even if he irks me. Why does the low activity in this game make you hesitant to lynch me or ShoCkeyy specifically? This is good. You are right in that I was kind of peeved. I had expected a comment on what you thought about me voting you but didn't get it. The Holden townread didn't really register with me because yeah okay it's a townread but it's not relevant to what I wanted to hear. Both you and FF posted nearly at the same time after lurking mostly until then, so I liked FF's post more than yours in terms of towniness. Essentially I read the post as "Hey I'm still here, this guy might be town because he is active", which to me was not much of anything. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On August 11 2020 03:00 Vivax wrote: I can't decide who to lynch atm. As for Shockeyy I don't know what he wants from me with his pressure vote. I knew you were around, I just put the vote on you to see what you'd do. | ||
Fecalfeast
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Trfel
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Thanks Mr. Cheesecake for replying. Can I ask what you wanted to hear from me? I'm just not sure what you expected. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On August 11 2020 03:16 Trfel wrote: Heading out to go to the store, be back in a bit. Have a miserable list post coming. Thanks Mr. Cheesecake for replying. Can I ask what you wanted to hear from me? I'm just not sure what you expected. Sure. I wanted to see how you would react to getting voted based on my reasoning, as in, how you felt about the reasoning itself and what that said to you about my alignment. I think the first two sentences in your previous post tell me a lot. The fact that you just didn't care is townie. | ||
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LightningStrike
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HoldenGolden
United States25 Posts
I've skimmed and why are we start to lock ourselves into lynching the inactives? A common trend I saw is someone is or is/is not a good lynch based on their activity level. Why? If someone is active and seems scummy to you, they can be power scum and thus needs to be lynched. I'm fine plynching; but this feels more like a mentality thing rather than actually being forced to plynch yet. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On August 11 2020 04:09 HoldenGolden wrote: I've ended up getting tied up dealing with the Joy's of university book stores. I'll be back probably this evening after my next class. I've skimmed and why are we start to lock ourselves into lynching the inactives? A common trend I saw is someone is or is/is not a good lynch based on their activity level. Why? If someone is active and seems scummy to you, they can be power scum and thus needs to be lynched. I'm fine plynching; but this feels more like a mentality thing rather than actually being forced to plynch yet. I generally agree with this sentiment. Although at this point only GTacc is really inactive. | ||
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Vivax
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Holden do you currently have a scumread? | ||
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Trfel
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Town Lean LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + Mostly a gut read, but two more reasons. First, he's made the most posts in the thread so far, which (much) more often than not makes someone town, especially in a low-activity game like this. And second, his worry about the lack of activity in the game feels genuine. It's not a very strong read, but I'd bet on it if I had to. Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler + I still feel a bit bugged by how he played earlier in the game, but since then he's been investigating things and more importantly, he's been pushing his reads. In a low-activity game like this, there is less incentive for mafia to push reads. Despite the aforementioned things that I don't like, the rest of his play feels towny and investigative. HoldenGolden + Show Spoiler + While LightningStrike has provided the most posts in this game, HoldenGolden has provided the most content in this game. He's been probing and poking everyone and seems to genuinely be trying to figure out the game. Null GTacc Vivax Mafia Lean Eywa- + Show Spoiler + His post on HoldenGolden, sharing his suspicions of him, that later vanished into thin air. It was his most explained and serious read, and seems to have taken a decent amount of effort to read a previous game and compare. And note that later, he even mentions who he wants to lynch but can't (GTacc). If he's still scumreading HoldenGolden, why wouldn't he be in this category? Or if something changed, why not say what changed? The only thing I can think of that caused this is in the time between these two linked posts, several people posted about either townreading HoldenGolden or not wanting to lynch HoldenGolden. It feels like once there were obstacles put in the way, Eywa- no longer wanted to lynch/cared about lynching HoldenGolden. Why would town be like this? If anything, town would push even harder for a lynch on his "naked mafia" read. Whereas mafia is much more inclined to drop it and look for a different, easier target. ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler + ShoCkeyy says he doesn't like it when people analyze and look at opening posts too deeply, and implied that he didn't like HoldenGolden looking into early game posts. But then he said he liked how Mr. Cheesecake looked into my opening post and didn't like my opening post. Inconsistent, but not the strongest. Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler + Honestly this is just due to feelings. But here: On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote: This post doesn't actually say much. He puts Eywa- townier than Mr. Cheesecake and Mr. Cheesecake townier than HoldenGolden, but only relative to each other. It's super non-committal and not very useful. Four times in this short post he says something to the effect of "I could be wrong," "I'm not sure," or "we'll have to wait and see." Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest eywa cheesecake holden I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while. Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there. vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot. Feels very disengaged from the thread. Instead of driving or pushing things, he's just saying what looks good and what looks bad. It doesn't feel like he cares to find mafia, just evaluate what things look like. Nothing insightful. He's not even posting videos or showing interest in the game. Fecalfeast as town is much better than this. I still need to figure out who I want to vote for most, but I'd definitely like to vote within these three. | ||
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Vivax
22406 Posts
On August 11 2020 04:21 Trfel wrote: Terrible Takes by Trfel Town Lean LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + Mostly a gut read, but two more reasons. First, he's made the most posts in the thread so far, which (much) more often than not makes someone town, especially in a low-activity game like this. And second, his worry about the lack of activity in the game feels genuine. It's not a very strong read, but I'd bet on it if I had to. Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler + I still feel a bit bugged by how he played earlier in the game, but since then he's been investigating things and more importantly, he's been pushing his reads. In a low-activity game like this, there is less incentive for mafia to push reads. Despite the aforementioned things that I don't like, the rest of his play feels towny and investigative. HoldenGolden + Show Spoiler + While LightningStrike has provided the most posts in this game, HoldenGolden has provided the most content in this game. He's been probing and poking everyone and seems to genuinely be trying to figure out the game. Null GTacc Vivax Mafia Lean Eywa- + Show Spoiler + His post on HoldenGolden, sharing his suspicions of him, that later vanished into thin air. It was his most explained and serious read, and seems to have taken a decent amount of effort to read a previous game and compare. And note that later, he even mentions who he wants to lynch but can't (GTacc). If he's still scumreading HoldenGolden, why wouldn't he be in this category? Or if something changed, why not say what changed? The only thing I can think of that caused this is in the time between these two linked posts, several people posted about either townreading HoldenGolden or not wanting to lynch HoldenGolden. It feels like once there were obstacles put in the way, Eywa- no longer wanted to lynch/cared about lynching HoldenGolden. Why would town be like this? If anything, town would push even harder for a lynch on his "naked mafia" read. Whereas mafia is much more inclined to drop it and look for a different, easier target. ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler + ShoCkeyy says he doesn't like it when people analyze and look at opening posts too deeply, and implied that he didn't like HoldenGolden looking into early game posts. But then he said he liked how Mr. Cheesecake looked into my opening post and didn't like my opening post. Inconsistent, but not the strongest. Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler + Honestly this is just due to feelings. But here: On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote: This post doesn't actually say much. He puts Eywa- townier than Mr. Cheesecake and Mr. Cheesecake townier than HoldenGolden, but only relative to each other. It's super non-committal and not very useful. Four times in this short post he says something to the effect of "I could be wrong," "I'm not sure," or "we'll have to wait and see." Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest eywa cheesecake holden I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while. Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there. vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot. Feels very disengaged from the thread. Instead of driving or pushing things, he's just saying what looks good and what looks bad. It doesn't feel like he cares to find mafia, just evaluate what things look like. Nothing insightful. He's not even posting videos or showing interest in the game. Fecalfeast as town is much better than this. I still need to figure out who I want to vote for most, but I'd definitely like to vote within these three. They are nice takes. | ||
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Vivax
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On August 10 2020 13:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, so based off current game, I think Mr cheesecake is 100 town. If I had to vote some one other than Vivax it would be Trfel just cause of his “I’m mafia” post. It’s really easy to claim it as mafia and get away with it D1 since most people wouldn’t want to believe it as this thread has shown. HoldenGolden currently seems a bit forced, but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt for now. Dunno, is this a mafia post? | ||
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