EPT[N][M]Noir Mini Mafia - Ch. 5 - Page 6
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Mr. Cheesecake
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On August 10 2020 00:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I once played a game where everyone was claiming town D1 and the mafia was the only one to claim he was the serial killer (nobody else claimed they were scum). I think this is because people have a difficult time lying, even when it is something as innocuous as pointless townclaims, so they play it off as trolling / sarcasm. As long as you are claiming ##Vote: Trfel obviously you don't think trfel is mafia here, but what do you actually think about the scum claim in general. How is this any different to what Fecal did? Why exactly does this make him scum? I find the fact that he calls you town more interesting. Is this his "one read"? I guess but he sounds so sure. Because he was blue hunting which there is only 1 blue so if the blue is outed scum can roleblock. | ||
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LightningStrike
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On August 10 2020 00:34 LightningStrike wrote: Because he was blue hunting which there is only 1 blue so if the blue is outed scum can roleblock. Do you seriously think that scum are going to bluehunt that openly in the thread? I don't think it is alignment indicative. I am more interested in his town read on you and holden's scumread on you, which seems to be the first point of real contention in this game. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Regardless you should vote Trfel. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On August 10 2020 00:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Do you seriously think that scum are going to bluehunt that openly in the thread? I don't think it is alignment indicative. I am more interested in his town read on you and holden's scumread on you, which seems to be the first point of real contention in this game. More likely to come from scum than town from my own experience to do open blue hunting like that this early. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On August 10 2020 01:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: LS what do you think about the differing reads on you. One of them is mafia? Are they both town? Both scum? Help me out here. I think Holden is more likely scum over Eywa. Calls someone out for being flip-floppy and then says that is potentially scum motivated, which is entirely flip floppy in itself (it doesn't "commit to something", as he said). By his own logic, he is mafia. Town aren't sure about anything, much less on D1. Additionally, I got the opposite read so If he's town the read is pretty poor. Regardless you should vote Trfel. More likely 1 mafia and it's where my vote is atm but why are you so sure on Trfel? | ||
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LightningStrike
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On August 10 2020 01:20 LightningStrike wrote: Like Trfel claiming mafia isn't alignment indicative for him really from my own experience playing with him. Who said I'm sure? Hell if I know, but it's a better vote than Eywa. I agree bluehunting is bad but it's like universally bad for both sides. Has Trfel scumclaimed D1 before as town? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On August 10 2020 01:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What I'm saying is it's so careless that I don't think he'd do it as mafia. That being bluehunting. Sorry for the spam. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size. The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games. I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On August 10 2020 01:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Who said I'm sure? Hell if I know, but it's a better vote than Eywa. I agree bluehunting is bad but it's like universally bad for both sides. Has Trfel scumclaimed D1 before as town? If I recall yes he did once before but my memory could be fuzzy. On August 10 2020 01:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: That being bluehunting. Sorry for the spam. To each of their own I guess. | ||
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Eywa-
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LightningStrike
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HoldenGolden
United States25 Posts
On August 09 2020 23:42 Eywa- wrote: This is a Mickey Mouse question, if I'm mafia I just role block him, no need to ask him. Not really. Doctor can function as a innocent child if they feel they have been discovered my scum (heal on dead target not going through -> being rbed ) obviously you don't think trfel is mafia here, but what do you actually think about the scum claim in general. How is this any different to what Fecal did? I think nothing of it. The only reason why someone like shockey for example caught my eye was because I thought he was making a read on me. All they are to me are NAI jokes since. The only time something like that is AI is if there is a meta tell, and even then it would be something to make later on if there are multiple eta issues (I think people jump too quickly on the meta train early on in lieu of actually playing D1 which ruins the value of using meta) | ||
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HoldenGolden
United States25 Posts
On August 10 2020 01:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: LS what do you think about the differing reads on you. One of them is mafia? Are they both town? Both scum? Help me out here. I think Holden is more likely scum over Eywa. Calls someone out for being flip-floppy and then says that is potentially scum motivated, which is entirely flip floppy in itself (it doesn't "commit to something", as he said). By his own logic, he is mafia. Town aren't sure about anything, much less on D1. Additionally, I got the opposite read so If he's town the read is pretty poor. Regardless you should vote Trfel. It's more I can see scum motivation for his posts and the way he went around expressing his doubt was off from like how you said here for townies. I agree, townies typically do show signs of hesitation or hypocrisy. What makes LS's shockey posts differ from that and enter scum range is how much that uncertainty is stressed. Opening post: the tonal comment was expressed with doubt Follow up post: He backtracks on it halfway and says it may not actually be there, but doesn't out right dismiss it. I find this particularly worrisome since I was also poking at shockey at the same time. Within that context, I buy scum!LS making those posts to cast shade at shockey without committing to the backbone of his reasoning (the overhappy tone). I still find it scummy for clarification, I just dont see a way yet to press the read forward by me and him discussing it. | ||
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HoldenGolden
United States25 Posts
On August 10 2020 01:44 Eywa- wrote: hahaha I go off site to have a better town game, and I'm instantly metaed. Ok. I read another game from HoldenGolden and there are several striking differences. In the other game, he doesn't really try to question other people in the same post that he's breaking out a scum read (he does that here). Also, he developed his read in the other game a lot more, here he posted the vote and then stated the read, but only after being asked. I also found his last game to be a lot more of a meme, his posts were less focused early and became more focused over the course of day 1 and developed into reads. I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size. The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games. I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today. Is your scum read on me purely from meta, or is my play in a vaccum scummy too? Let's start here. If you are a meta player though, I would suggest you read the follow meta analysis as it very accurately described my meta albeit it's somewhat dated. All it's missing really scum wise is the game where I rolled scum with another shitposter and we trolled the game by actively teasing we were scum together. Somehow we won lol https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=11762333#p11762333 | ||
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HoldenGolden
United States25 Posts
On August 10 2020 01:51 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote That actually a good post by Ewya but I still don't know why he wanted that blue claim so bad early.. Bouce ideas with me then. What do you think would be the pros and cons of such an blatant blue hunt? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On August 10 2020 03:38 HoldenGolden wrote: Bouce ideas with me then. What do you think would be the pros and cons of such an blatant blue hunt? Pros: None at all. Cons: Outing the doctor so they get roleblocked for the rest of the game/night killed as well. | ||
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