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On July 31 2020 01:45 GTacc wrote:
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hi this is my first mafia game ever
For some reason, I am not inclined to believe this... I can't quite put my finger on it though.
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On August 01 2020 01:19 GlowingBear wrote:/in You don't get to be mafia in this game, alright?
No worries, I'll catch him if he is mafia.
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HoldenGolden, I'm not familiar with the flavor, are you softing doc?
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On August 09 2020 23:16 HoldenGolden wrote:
No I was only talking about shockey. I asked only about trfel because you inferred that he tends to have good openings.
I'll let it rest on the back burner for now though.
Eywa I'm disappointed. I'm softing godfather. No it's just Noir style lingo since the game is named after the genre.
That said, if you think I'm softing a PR role, why would you ask me directly lol?
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On August 09 2020 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:Just got back from the store: Show nested quote +On August 09 2020 22:50 Eywa- wrote:
HoldenGolden, I'm not familiar with the flavor, are you softing doc? This is so scummy... \##Vote: Ewya-Show nested quote +On August 09 2020 23:16 HoldenGolden wrote:
No I was only talking about shockey. I asked only about trfel because you inferred that he tends to have good openings.
I'll let it rest on the back burner for now though.
Eywa I'm disappointed. I'm softing godfather. No it's just Noir style lingo since the game is named after the genre.
That said, if you think I'm softing a PR role, why would you ask me directly lol? fair play on that and very good question and I think he is likely mafia for that question to you.
You're town, unvote me.
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On August 09 2020 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2020 23:26 Eywa- wrote:On August 09 2020 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:Just got back from the store: On August 09 2020 22:50 Eywa- wrote:
HoldenGolden, I'm not familiar with the flavor, are you softing doc? This is so scummy... \##Vote: Ewya-On August 09 2020 23:16 HoldenGolden wrote:
No I was only talking about shockey. I asked only about trfel because you inferred that he tends to have good openings.
I'll let it rest on the back burner for now though.
Eywa I'm disappointed. I'm softing godfather. No it's just Noir style lingo since the game is named after the genre.
That said, if you think I'm softing a PR role, why would you ask me directly lol? fair play on that and very good question and I think he is likely mafia for that question to you. You're town, unvote me. Can you explain why you asked him if he's the doctor?
This is a Mickey Mouse question, if I'm mafia I just role block him, no need to ask him.
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On August 09 2020 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Yo I'm back from camping. Don't know if I have the energy to contribute much atm but we'll see.
Hi... Bye!
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I read another game from HoldenGolden and there are several striking differences. In the other game, he doesn't really try to question other people in the same post that he's breaking out a scum read (he does that here). Also, he developed his read in the other game a lot more, here he posted the vote and then stated the read, but only after being asked. I also found his last game to be a lot more of a meme, his posts were less focused early and became more focused over the course of day 1 and developed into reads.
I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size.
The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games.
I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today.
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Also, to build on his last post, I agree with Mr. Cheesecake that HoldenGolden's read doesn't seem like one he would have as town based on his own game.
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On August 10 2020 03:32 HoldenGolden wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2020 01:44 Eywa- wrote:
I read another game from HoldenGolden and there are several striking differences. In the other game, he doesn't really try to question other people in the same post that he's breaking out a scum read (he does that here). Also, he developed his read in the other game a lot more, here he posted the vote and then stated the read, but only after being asked. I also found his last game to be a lot more of a meme, his posts were less focused early and became more focused over the course of day 1 and developed into reads.
I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size.
The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games.
I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today. hahaha I go off site to have a better town game, and I'm instantly metaed. Ok. Is your scum read on me purely from meta, or is my play in a vaccum scummy too? Let's start here. If you are a meta player though, I would suggest you read the follow meta analysis as it very accurately described my meta albeit it's somewhat dated. All it's missing really scum wise is the game where I rolled scum with another shitposter and we trolled the game by actively teasing we were scum together. Somehow we won lol https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=11762333#p11762333
Do you feel like you've succeeded so far?
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It's a good question, I'm finding a hard time explaining it myself.
I feel like I don't have a very good grasp on the game unless the simple answer of GTacc/Vivax (at least one of) is mafia. The activity in the game has been hard to read and has left me not wanting to lynch Shockey or trfel which I'm hearing a lot about.
I can't get GTacc lynched today, he probably forgot about the game tbh. He doesn't play much offsite.
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On August 11 2020 04:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm town 😎
I believe you.
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On August 11 2020 04:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2020 04:23 Vivax wrote:On August 11 2020 04:21 Trfel wrote:Terrible Takes by TrfelTown LeanLightningStrike + Show Spoiler +Mostly a gut read, but two more reasons. First, he's made the most posts in the thread so far, which (much) more often than not makes someone town, especially in a low-activity game like this. And second, his worry about the lack of activity in the game feels genuine. It's not a very strong read, but I'd bet on it if I had to. Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler +I still feel a bit bugged by how he played earlier in the game, but since then he's been investigating things and more importantly, he's been pushing his reads. In a low-activity game like this, there is less incentive for mafia to push reads. Despite the aforementioned things that I don't like, the rest of his play feels towny and investigative. HoldenGolden + Show Spoiler +While LightningStrike has provided the most posts in this game, HoldenGolden has provided the most content in this game. He's been probing and poking everyone and seems to genuinely be trying to figure out the game. GTacc Vivax Mafia LeanEywa- + Show Spoiler +His post on HoldenGolden, sharing his suspicions of him, that later vanished into thin air. It was his most explained and serious read, and seems to have taken a decent amount of effort to read a previous game and compare. And note that later, he even mentions who he wants to lynch but can't (GTacc). If he's still scumreading HoldenGolden, why wouldn't he be in this category? Or if something changed, why not say what changed? The only thing I can think of that caused this is in the time between these two linked posts, several people posted about either townreading HoldenGolden or not wanting to lynch HoldenGolden. It feels like once there were obstacles put in the way, Eywa- no longer wanted to lynch/cared about lynching HoldenGolden. Why would town be like this? If anything, town would push even harder for a lynch on his "naked mafia" read. Whereas mafia is much more inclined to drop it and look for a different, easier target. ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler +Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler +Honestly this is just due to feelings. But here: On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest
eywa
cheesecake
holden
I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while.
Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise
nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there.
vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot. This post doesn't actually say much. He puts Eywa- townier than Mr. Cheesecake and Mr. Cheesecake townier than HoldenGolden, but only relative to each other. It's super non-committal and not very useful. Four times in this short post he says something to the effect of "I could be wrong," "I'm not sure," or "we'll have to wait and see." Feels very disengaged from the thread. Instead of driving or pushing things, he's just saying what looks good and what looks bad. It doesn't feel like he cares to find mafia, just evaluate what things look like. Nothing insightful. He's not even posting videos or showing interest in the game. Fecalfeast as town is much better than this. I still need to figure out who I want to vote for most, but I'd definitely like to vote within these three. They are nice takes. Trfel obviously didn't read more into it because I actually called myself out on that very exact thing he's saying I'm mafia for.
trfel's post is actually decent, because I was thinking along the same lines, but then I'm like, wait a minute, Shockey would have to basically be with exactly FecalFeast or GTacc, and then I'm like, yeh, that's probably wrong, let's kill in what other players describe as "null".
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On August 11 2020 04:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2020 15:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On August 09 2020 13:36 Trfel wrote:On August 09 2020 11:56 HoldenGolden wrote:
1) he said it in the same sentence that he was answering my question about the voting thread. Therefore, it came off as if he was speaking to me still.
2) Mostly to get the ball rolling; there's no specific AI reason yet. Thanks, that makes sense. I see now. When people look into openings too hard, it gives me the jeebies. Who gave you the jeebies?
You give me the jeebies
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