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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
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Vivax
22089 Posts
Last game me and cake were both town I remember her for being a pita. Because she was somehow the only one still thinking I could be mafia in the thread. That she was more cautious in how she read me in this game set me off, though in hindsight I shouldn't have put so much weight into that. The Ticktock stuff on top really made me sure though. And tbh I was expecting to be lynched as well. I think, rayn, that right now you are again falling into the vet+active player bias you tend to for picking who to scumread. Do you have any reason to be discounting zey here? I don't think she has been particularly townie and esp. the way she read Trfel at the beginning felt like she felt pressured into forming a scumread from being pushed to discuss him. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote: Will consider looking into him a bit harder. But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard. But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me. As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game. Did you look into Trfel or not?  | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
Yep. Doesn't shift me particularly either way. His rayn scumread-ish is interesting but not worth putting much weight into if he doesn't pursue it further. I'm still in a TT+zey world. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
Maybe I'm wrong and Trfel is mafia and zey is calling out both mafia? Idk, the other townies can decide that if Trfel just decides to not pursue his rayn thought further and let a mislynch happen. If he gets a burst in motivation I think that he can not only look very townie but also find the mafia. That said I'd like him to weigh in on the TT+zey scenario. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Also i dont think i am falling into anything. Like i am literally trying to NOT fall into stuff like that based on games where i have seriously under-performed just because someone does something too scummy to be scum and i can't believe mafia can be that stupid. I am just calling out shit that is scummy and i think you and trfel are the scummiest by your actions in my opinion. Like i dont really know what you want to do, Vivax. I know you want to lynch TT but i am most likely not going to do that even if i thought you are town. I actually do have a town read on him especially because of his actions eod1 -> . I did consider him mafia based on if shockeyy is town but then i decided that's a dumb metric since i dont really know what shockeyy is and he is following you and trfel in the scummy department. i do have some reasons to discount Zey here. Not anything definite, which is why i have been posing some questions towards her. However, i dont mind the answers so far. I also think she's been having some observations that, right or wrong, look good on her. If we were playing in finnish i would definitely be more suspicious of her, but yeah.. I can see her being laid back being a result of a "new environment" up to some point. I dont know what you mean with the feeling pressured to read trfel in certain way though? But well, let's make a deal Vivax. I am gonna consider you confirmed town until let's say 6 hrs before deadline. Convince me of anything you want to. Truth to be told i dont think i am gonna change my mind on you unless you make a pretty much slam dunk case, and i will help you in case you are up to that. You haven't showed the town!Vivax i know, i am gonna give you a chance. You either take it or leave it. Also get rid of the PoE from D1, i think that's just stupid in case you're town. Because for me it looks like you're hiding behind your PoE just to avoid commenting on ACTUALLY good stuff people have brought on Trfel. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
On June 05 2020 05:32 Tictock wrote: Wow this is such a forced narrative on me, the only truthful bit is that I kinda decided cake was town early and never felt the need to question that. I was the first person to be pushing Sho scum, and I still think he could easily be scum, cake and Trfel both kinda piggybacked on the points I made. Near EoD it was clear to me that my preferred lunch (Sho) wasn't happening, and started to reconsider and ask questions to decide where to vote. I had weak townreads on both Vivax and Trfel so I was trying to weigh who I might have been wrong about and would be more ok to vote. It is frustrating to play with some of you guys who base so much on meta. Like to me Sho was literally playing "to scummy to be scum" and even though everyone kinda agreed you all just give it a pass due to that being his D1 meta. I tried to argue my read but being constantly rebuked with that argument makes it feel fruitless to push it anymore. I mean when he replied to my stuff here my first reaction was to burst out laughing at the WOW THIS IS SUCH A FORCED NARRATIVE. But I still have to reply to this reply to my post, which I am probably not content with in how it responds to my accusation. Not now though I'd love to because I'm going for a bbq in the woods. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Vivax
22089 Posts
And TT wants the easy lynch. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 05 2020 22:58 Vivax wrote: I mean the fact zey scumreads TT convinces me even further as if I could have hit a nerve mentioning the team because as I noticed last game mafia likes to tend to scumread each other. I understand certain people do certain things but why would you assume OTHER people play mafia similarily??? I think it's a really dumb assumption and doesn't make much sense. If it was like that you could always tell who is mafia when you lynch the first one lol. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
On June 05 2020 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna ask you this though: I understand certain people do certain things but why would you assume OTHER people play mafia similarily??? I think it's a really dumb assumption and doesn't make much sense. If it was like that you could always tell who is mafia when you lynch the first one lol. As mafia you kinda feel vulnerable when someone calls you and your mate out and you tend to get pushed into the thinking that you are more obvious than you actually are, so you get a hang for bussing. I see that as fact but I also acknowledge that it isn't an argument either of them should be lynched for. But in case one of them flips scum I hope someone thinks back to this instead of giving out cred for bussing. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
@Zey, I wasn't super clear (and I forgot a couple things, which is a lesson to not start drinking early and try to play mafia). When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared. There was a sense that he could have been scum-reading her since early on. I very much agree with you that Trfel N1 made a ton of posts that backtrack and retcon what his reads where D1. Actually on that topic, I love Jeeka's point about Trfel voting with Sho. Trfel ignoring Sho EoD (when he had earlier said Sho looked scummy) is super suspect imo, but I had failed to notice that in voting for cake he was also voting with his scum read Sho >.< I am gunna make an effort to be around a bit later tonight, but I am frankly going to be pretty useless this weekend due to roomates Bday I mentioned. I'm using the whole thing as an excuse to build a firepit in the backyeard which has been on my project list for awhile now and am going to be baking birthday and party treats most of the day tomorrow. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On June 05 2020 23:21 Vivax wrote: Though I'll pull a sicklucker and bet my left nut on Shockeyy being 100% town. And TT wants the easy lynch. This post seems towny to me after looking at TT's voting pattern and TT's post history. Although I still don't like how Vivax and Trfel seem to never interact. But this point I just don't see how Trfel can survive D2, he's essentially been floating by without having to even put effort into the game. | ||
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Zey
Finland64 Posts
Tictock wrote: When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared. In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here: Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. (1) I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. (2)To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. (3)But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it. (1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere. (2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy. So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On June 05 2020 09:14 Tictock wrote: ##Vote: Trfel If TT and Trfel are scum buddies, is TT bussing his partner? | ||
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Zey
Finland64 Posts
Sho wrote: If TT and Trfel are scum buddies, is TT bussing his partner? I think it is possible. Looking to Tictocks filter I don't see anything to make it impossible. I mean he didn't suspect Trfel until N1 and then Trfel had drawn attention to himself already. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Vote Count ![[image loading]](https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1579871494447-9811cf80d66c?ixlib=rb-1.2.1&ixid=eyJhcHBfaWQiOjEyMDd9&auto=format&fit=crop&w=1350&q=80) Vivax (1): raynpelikoneet Trfel (2): TickTick, Jeekaka Not voting: others Trfel is currently set to be lynched. Votes are not counted unless posted in the Voting Thread! Voting is mandatory! Plurality Lynch: The person with the most votes gets lynched. in the event of a tie, the player that first received enough votes will be lynched. until deadline. | ||
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