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ShoCkeyy
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 05 2020 02:53 Vivax wrote: I encourage peeps to look at TT's filter. It's kinda telling at quick glance. - Settles for a very early cop townread. - Agrees with cop early on Shockeyy being scum. - His followup before deadline doesn't reflect any intention of directing the lynch either way, when he really should have a clear cut opinion of what the game should be doing. - Most posts are rather focused at discussing stuff from all sorts of topics. Like asking me about what I was saying about cake, but not really coming out with something from it that would make him say I'm wrong and cake is town. Or I'm mafia and cake is town. He just kinda okay's the replies he gets and minds his own business. - Instead asks me why he should consider zey, then asks Jock why he should consider me. Two posts he's doubting his Trfel read, then his read on me. He has a very hands-off approach to the game. He did look at zey but didn't come out with a conclusion, just a question of whether zey thinks he's scum. Then he voted me for the sake of not voting cop. Again, easy out. You don't get the feeling TT analyzes posts and asks question to reach a clear-cut way of seeing the game that he can stick to and influence the lynch the way he likes. It's really just a pretense to be insecure, while usually that should push townies towards reconsidering things in a hurry, he appears more calm and mechanical. Shouldn't he have had a clear opinion to lynch Shockeyy considering he was questioning my townread on him? That read just sort of went away towards the end and he was just contemplating Trfel, myself, even after I apparently swayed him that Shock could be town. tl;dr: I don't think Ticktock has a real opinion on things and he's struggling to make it look like he does. Wow this is such a forced narrative on me, the only truthful bit is that I kinda decided cake was town early and never felt the need to question that. I was the first person to be pushing Sho scum, and I still think he could easily be scum, cake and Trfel both kinda piggybacked on the points I made. Near EoD it was clear to me that my preferred lunch (Sho) wasn't happening, and started to reconsider and ask questions to decide where to vote. I had weak townreads on both Vivax and Trfel so I was trying to weigh who I might have been wrong about and would be more ok to vote. It is frustrating to play with some of you guys who base so much on meta. Like to me Sho was literally playing "to scummy to be scum" and even though everyone kinda agreed you all just give it a pass due to that being his D1 meta. I tried to argue my read but being constantly rebuked with that argument makes it feel fruitless to push it anymore. | ||
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Zey
Finland64 Posts
I don't like how Trfel suggested Cake to be lynched. Trfel wrote: I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I mean he was kinda thinking that Cake was town and only four minutes later he was suggesting that Cake should be lynched although there were his top scumread Sho also one of the people with votes. And I'm not sure why he even took those four minutes to investigate Cake? I mean if theres 3 players with votes and Trfel thinks one is his top scumread (Sho), one is kinda town (Cake) and one hasn't done any townish or scumish (Vivax), why would Trfel read Cakes post to see why she could be scum? I think it would be more logically to read Vivaxs post that see is he scum or not and/or read Shos post to find more scummy thing that could convince others. Jock wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient. Hmm, wasn't Cake getting cold feet before you even mentioned you were getting? rayn wrote: Zey i have a question for you: You explicitly asked me about why i scumread Vivax. Why didnt you have any follow up after my answer? I mean you must think that my case is either right or wrong or bad enough for me to be mafia. You followed the rest of the day with the thought of Vivax still not being mafia, why didnt you try to convince me voting either trfel or tictock since you vlearly thought my case is not good? After reading your post I thought you might be right about him and your reasons explained to me why you voted Vivax and not Cake. After that I went to read Vivax posts and the thread to see are your accusations right. (They are I think although I'm still not sure about Vivaxs reasons to suspect Cake.) So it made me to think that I'm okay with lynching Vivax. Didn't see the reason to change my vote although seeing how day ended I think I should have changed. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 2 Start! ![[image loading]](https://previews.123rf.com/images/kongvector/kongvector1804/kongvector180401549/99118888-doctor-sushi-character-cartoon-illustration.jpg) Jockmcplop has been shot. + Show Spoiler + HAND ROLL!! (Doctor) - You are exciting enough that even basic fish is awesome when done this way. And so few people know about this? Why? Redeem the simple sushi! Once per night you can PM the hosts with a target who will receive protection from all attacks that night. The type of fish is still whatever it is and the customer probably doesn't know jack about sushi if they ordered something you gotta save so the target will not be notified if they have been saved. Since you can't keep doing the same thing over and over without shameful guilt, you may not choose the same person twice in a row and you cannot protect yourself because you are a concept, not actual sushi yourself. Plurality Lynch: The person with the most votes gets lynched. In the event of a tie, the player that first received enough votes will be lynched. until deadline. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
 Pretty sure we are in a Vivax/Trfel world though | ||
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Tictock
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ShoCkeyy
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 04 2020 14:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: I honestly would prefer Vivax/Trfel to be the mafia team, I really don't want Jock to be mafia again :D Also why would I be teamed with Trfel if he's my top mafia read right now? Like I seriously think with N1 kill we'll have more than enough info to find mafia the mafia team. On June 05 2020 03:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: It feels like you(Vivax) and Trfel are trying to make plays on getting either myself or TT lynched for D2. On June 05 2020 05:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well we have 9 mins till N1 ends, we’ll know more now. After Flip... On June 05 2020 06:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: Holy fuck, wow. At least jock wasn’t mafia again, but fuck we lost our doctor. How will we stop the coronavirus from spreading through our sushi ranks now?? On June 05 2020 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: After going through Jocks posts, he mostly goes after Vivax and Trfel. We have to be very aware if they're being framed or not. ...Like... ![[image loading]](https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/picard-facepalm.jpg) So what have you learned Sho, who is mafia? Why do ppl question why I'm inclined to scum read you? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Trfel's re-entry to EoD: + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town? On June 04 2020 05:46 Trfel wrote: Of the people with votes, maybe CopCake? I'm just having a ton of trouble finding mafia this game. I blame foremost my lack of effort, but secondly the lack of information/content to use. CopCake seems like the most likely mafia from what I have read so far though. On June 04 2020 05:51 Trfel wrote: Stuff like this. Not focusing on who is mafia, but just who is playing "badly." Being so confident in assuming people are mafia (specifically me, and I've barely posted). It's hard to articulate but it just feels false to me. It also doesn't feel like you care about getting your target lynched. Moreso than indecision, it feels like apathy, which I really don't like. In contrast to someone like Zey, who made only a few posts but does seem clearly invested in the lynch and cares about it. On June 04 2020 05:55 Trfel wrote: No thoughts, anyone? As Jeeka pointed out at his re-entry it was Vivax getting lynched with Trfel/Cake tied and my vote on Sho. Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock. However, Trfel posted this: On June 04 2020 15:47 Trfel wrote: I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I sometimes assume people are town until there is evidence to the contrary, as was the case here (after which I got to business). The post served its purpose of attracting attention and not lynching Vivax, though. Very much backpeddeling on what his stance on cake looked like, and the bolded part just has to be a slip because Trfel has posts saying he both doesn't think Vivax is town and doesn't think he is mafia (so is a null read) and yet had the intention of drawing ppl from lynching Vivax... ##Vote: Trfel | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
I think Tictock and rayn are town. I'm a bit paranoid about rayn but if I'm wrong here so be it. At least now I'm not reasoning myself out of thinking he might be scum because something he did, but he just feels town to me. Also if rayn was mafia Tictock could as well be as I would be totally lost in here :D But I think I share a similar world view with these two, and to me Tictock EOD feels like town investigating and trying to find best or even least bad lynch option. I have said all I have about Trfel except actually want to add this thing: Vivax (3): Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, CopCake Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka CopCake (2): Vivax, ShoCkeyy ShocCkey (1): TicTock Trfel actually jumps into a wagon with his top scumread and does not seem to think there's anything fishy. And today he continues to suspect Shock like nothing ever happened. I don't like at all Vivax's statement that he's basically not gonna do anything today as he's fine with his POE. Shocks opinions are just weird and it really seems he's not paying attention. Like he literally accused Cake of scumreading Trfel for being afk, when Cake had said that's her main reason for not wanting to vote Trfel. I said yesterday that Sho is not very likely to be mafia with Vivax or Trfel, but actually that EOD changed my opinion a bit. Still that Shock's and Trfel's Cake push does not make actually any sense is Vivax is town. Unless... Cake was thinking switcing to Trfel, TicTock preferred Trfel over Vivax. This was at the bottom of my scum pair listing but moving it up actually :D This is maybe a bit of a soulread, but I think Zey is almost never mafia with Trfel. There's a small detail that makes me actually think she is just town. So I think our mafia team is one of the following: Vivax/Trfel Trfel/Shock . Vivax/Shock (as we have this too wolf to be wolf thing going, I'd find that Trfel town hero thing to be one if Vivax/Trfel w/w) . . . Vivax/Zey (if I'm wrong about Zey) Yeah and in theory Zey/Shock why not. | ||
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jeekaka
Finland111 Posts
On June 05 2020 05:33 Zey wrote: Hmm, wasn't Cake getting cold feet before you even mentioned you were getting? Half an hour later Jock is dead. I just think subconsciously you probably would not start questioning someone who you know is not gonna be there to answer. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Zey
Finland64 Posts
Tictock wrote: Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock. How it makes sense? Yeah he asked her reasoning, but here it sounds to me like he was okay with her answering: Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can And according to him even Rayns hi was more scummy than Cakes townread of Jock. AND he admitted that 4 minutes before he suggestes lynching Cake he was kinda thinking that Cake is town. So how it makes sense?? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
First thing is this: On June 04 2020 15:53 Trfel wrote: Because I didn't see any reason to call Vivax mafia? I don't really get raynpelikoneet's case on Vivax. I mean, it makes sense and is logical, but I don't think it fits mafia motivation. (1) Why would mafia be so uncooperative and lie about meta, what does it gain them? (1) That was not the whole point. I hate when people take one small part of the case and (intentionally) fail to see the big picture. The big picture here is the following; I don't actually think someone falsely using meta is indeed scummy because people misremember things, and truth to be told Cake hasn't played that much here. But when i went and read the games they had played together it became apparent that Vivax is not telling the truth. You can all go and confirm what i said if you want to, here is the only game Vivax and Cake have been town in together on this forum. Whether Vivax was not telling the truth intentionally or not, the whole point regarding that stands. When you have based your scumread on false premises, and someone comes and debunks every argument for your scumread (which is literally what happened here), If you are town you start re-evaluating because your point doesn't actually hold water and you should know it. Vivax never does that. Trfel never acknowledges this fact (which is literally the point of my argument regarding this), and i don't like he's only arguing "half" of the argument because he can make up a "townie explanation" for part of it. Hope you get what i mean. On June 04 2020 16:13 Trfel wrote: I could see raynpelikoneet being mafia too. Two main reasons. (2) Firstly, his focus doesn't seem to match his scumreads. He posts a long post on why CopCake is suspicious and then votes for Vivax over something small, and then posts a mini case on me, and then still votes for Vivax. And second, he doesn't feel very invested. He's been here and calling things out and it's logical and makes sense but he can do that as mafia, easily. But it doesn't feel like he really cares about what he's saying. (3) He didn't clearly and concisely say why he thought Vivax was mafia until requested to, where if he really wanted Vivax lynched he could post a case on his own accord and actually push for that lynch. Before the flip raynpelikoneet didn't seem to care, and (4) after he didn't seem to care either, only talking about Jockmcplop and not any of his other scumreads. I'm trying to not focus too hard on deadline stuff because apparently he needed to sleep but despite that he feels a bit disconnected and slightly apathetic to the game, despite being very present. (2) That is just simply untrue. You can go to my filter and see that i was never convinced that Cake was mafia. The reason i voted for Vivax originally was because he wouldn't give me an answer to my concern. When i pushed for the answer i got a mafia answer. I had no reason to switch my vote. I don't think i also had no reason to NOT question other things i found suspicious since there was still a lot of time left in the day (i mean if i think Vivax is mafia for having a bs townread on me why should i do nothing else than yelling he is mafia???). Then Trfel made his super bad backpedal from Cake read and i called it out. Then Vivax made his bs meta read and i called it out and added it to my scumread on him. Another thing here. I tend to encourage people to think with their own brain. Just because i didn't write a big case on Vivax right after i had "all the pieces" doesn't mean i didn't care about my scumread (or the game or whatever Trfel is saying). If you carefully read my filter you can very easily tell why i scumread Vivax even without the case. Like it is super obvious or at least should be. In addition to that, i literally had no time between the post where i ended my "chat" with Vivax and when i answered Zey about why am i voting for Vivax. I can sure post my "schedule" for my wednesday if anyone is concerned and had you not lynched Cake she could even confirm i am not lying if anyone is STILL concerned.... (3) See above. (4) I am not sure what i was supposed to question? Can someone tell me why i should question my scumreads Vivax/Trfel on why they voted for someone else than Vivax/Trfel? Because for me the answer is apparent lol. Jock's vote change in the end was suspect to me. Because it made no sense from town pov. So that's why i questioned it. What else was i supposed to question? Smells like terrible argument with no thinking behind it. So there is that, ball's in your court now Trfel. | ||
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Zey
Finland64 Posts
Tictock wrote: I said I had stuff to say about Trfel, and to be honest Zey and Jeeka pretty much hit on it already but I'll briefly go over what I saw. Tictock wrote: Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock. How I "pretty much hit on it" if the only thing I was saying was "Trfel going for cake doesn't make sense" and you are saying that you believe that it made sense? | ||
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