EPTlet's see if we can start this tonight :D :D
[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2
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let's see if we can start this tonight :D :D | ||
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On April 04 2020 08:58 Hapahauli wrote: Nostalgia has overwhelmed my reason. /in nice  | ||
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Anyways, good luck ppl! | ||
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We have around 25 infected people in our municipality, no deaths, so so far good. Helsinki is the hot spot pretty much here and it's "borders" are "closed" unless for good reason like family or work.To be honest i didn't read the flavor at all until you wrote about the family lol. | ||
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Well done Vivax. | ||
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On April 05 2020 04:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives. Holy Italy is it you my love? :D | ||
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On April 05 2020 04:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Of course my Dear. You filled me with a kid then made me fall in love with you because of the farm. Its not stockholm, its the real deal. I should have known it of course. You cannot be possessed with those dark souls, no dark sould would crash my head against a pan repeatedly like you. That being said i am gonna have some dinner snacks and watch a movie with my other missus so i will be back in an hour or two. | ||
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On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. So how do i approach the game normally? | ||
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On April 05 2020 17:40 Vivax wrote: He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree. Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think? I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive. Jock is one of my top town rn. I had the same kind of thought first when i read his response to Trfel's case, i mean like he just picked a case that is wrong and tried to make it look like it's scummy instead of just wrong. (Further explanation; his defense is completely right i just didn't understand why he felt the need to do that in the first place) The post later on though, where he agrees that's reasonable to Trfel to read my posts in that way kinda buried that thought for me as it looked like Jock is really trying to understand Trfel instead of just trying to call him mafia and appealing to me. | ||
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The last game Hapa played here where he was town, his first posts when he arrived to the thread: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2017 02:27 Hapahauli wrote: If you think Boson is town, why do you give a shit? DF post string is pretty scummy. Too much indecisive shade throwing and too much trust in Chez over one super non-alignment indicative post. #Vote Darthfoley On November 21 2017 02:37 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote Darthfoley ##Vote Sanislav Petrov Darthfoley was a test. Stanislav Petrov failed. Holyflare failed. Tumblewood gets a D-. Stanislav Petrov is all-over-the-place, is throwing shade, and isn't pushing anything coherent. Shortly after giving a lynch list of... ... he blind sheeps the darthfoley wagon without really ever pushing it. His next two posts are pushing the wagon without really contributing or attempting to figure out darthfoley: ...and pushing two other players while having his vote on darthfoley. He's being very decisive about what he is doing and how to do it. Pressuring people to play and getting reactions for it. Basically just "no bullshit only facts" type of play. Now this is how Hapa plays as town, every time i remember seeing him play it looks like this or somewhat similar. I even talked with him about this during that specific game and after and was laughing how can people ever scumread him in that game (he got lynched D2 and (if i remember correctly) almost at D1 while looking super townie). This is how Hapa looks like when he plays as scum + Show Spoiler + In post 26, outoforder wrote: Because i don't feel like i need to ask you about it. From what i remember playing with you you will make your alignment clear to me before D1 ends even if i didn't prod you in any way. There is also a Rels-specific reason i am not willing to discuss yet. But while you're at it, care to elaborate on this; This is what i believe to be a fact. You don't tend to participate in RVS / pressure vote shennies at D1 start, especailly towards a player you MUST know to not respond to being "pressured" by giving away his alignment as mafia. I mean like if i was scum i couldn't care less that there are people voting for me over absolutely nothing. You know that aswell so the only conclusions i can come to are that either (1) you actually think i am mafia, or (2) you are mafia. So why do you think i am mafia? You really couldn't think i could possibly have - at this point of the game - a specific question to a specific player that i would not feel the need to ask you aswell, just because i have played with both of you before? In case there is option (3) aswell, feel free to tell me what that is. I asked Rels a question, he contests the question because for some dumbass reason it should concern him too, asks me some stupid shit, and not only that he throws a seemingly RVS vote on me. Unfortunately i dropped him as a scumread after lol... Now in this game i see a lot of similarities to that (to be honest in that game it continued even further, i am just too lazy to quote more). I see here that Hapa's entrance isn't going to take him anywhere, like i can't possibly understand what he is trying to do with what he posted EVEN IF he ACTUALLY thought Shockeyy is mafia and saw something there. In my opinion that is a massive red flag in addition to that fitting his mafia!MO rather than town one. | ||
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On April 05 2020 18:09 Chezinu wrote: What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you? Use your imagination, especially when going on VIDEO.  | ||
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On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote: hmm... i quite like this logic even if I don't agree. This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol. | ||
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On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm. That's not an unreasonable read to have. I personally am not sure if it makes Trfel mafia or not. Which is why i am asking him where he has gotten this narrative. I don't think you can just take a random statement on how people play and generally apply it to all people and Trfel should be good enough player to know that. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game? Why does this apply to Trfel and not to me, since i kind of did the same thing with Hapa? | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:20 Vivax wrote: I'll tell the reasoning a bit later, but first I'd like to see how you're going to keep playing the rest of the day. Well i can already tell you i will be voting for Hapa unless something drasiclly changes. | ||
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Vivax, BC, Jock. I think Vivax is town for the amount of effort he is putting into the game. Sure you can argue what BC is arguing atm but i dont think that's a good metric for reading Vivax. He makes paranoid reads at times and doesn't explain things properly at times but that doesn't mean anything. I don't think Vivax would put this much effort into the game in a way that actually contributes to the game if he was mafia (like last game he was mafia in he was fucking more interested in talking stock prices than mafia....), i also don't think he would attack me like he has if he was mafia because if that's the case i can easily counter-argue the points purely by my activity (see what i said about his earlier) and he is likely to get lynched, even on D1. That's like... not a good play for him. I like BC's case on Hapa. It's a very very good case, easily the best at this point of the game. I don't hate his Trfel read while i am not sure if it's right or wrong. I don't think Vivax is right on what he said about BC because yes BC, while it CAN look like you're doing what Vivax said, i don't think that's the case here. You randomly or "randomly" voted for hapa -> just to "add on to your "case"" later, you "had your eye" on Trfel -> just to scumread him later. You cannot completely dismiss the fact that for some person what you are doing can look like you're latching onto a scumread just to support it with reasoning later. May it be wrong but it's not necessarily scummy to point that out, especially for someone like Vivax. But well, my opinion is that BC is focusing on decent points, in a decent way, (aside from scumreading Vivax) and i think that most likely makes him town. I already told why i am townreading Jock so anyone can read it from my post here. I disagree with Vivax on his assessment that the discussion he had with Trfel looks scummy, i know i felt the same way Vivax did before jock made the post in my link to my read on him. I just don't see why jock makes that post because if jock is mafia and trfel is town the narrative is to bury trfel for a (bad) case (like Vivax seems to think?), therefore letting go of it for some bullshit reason (like jock did) doesn't make any sense at all. In fact it should give more fuel to his case instead of making him reconsider, i think jock is good enough player as mafia to see that. The only small small bad feeling i have about that conversation from jock's side is that i have a nagging feeling the convo didnt necessarily end in a natural way. I know there is a chance of that since i have been playing mafia in a team with him and we created an argument between ourselves. I know, however, that there is a townie way to explain that too so i am not too bothered by that atm. I am just going to say that there is never a world where jock is mafia and trfel is town. Those are my townreads atm. One of the reasons i am writing this post is because i feel like the "town circle" i have atm is arguing with each other for meaningless things rather than what matters and that's how you usually lose a game. So: - Vivax, let go of everything on BC atm and just see what he posted about hapa. Why don't you agree with that) Is it just because you think BC (or me) might be mafia? Can you look at the things posted on hapa objectively and not let your "what if" feelings disturb it? - BC, can you read Vivax' posts and at least try to understand where he is coming from? I think his assessment of your play is reasonable for a townie, right or wrong, and i think he has posted reads which is something you are complaining about rn. Just because they are not laid out clearly in the first place doesn't mean he doesn't have them, because that's what people do, i know because i do that a shitton myself just to see if people are actually paying attention to what they read or not. He has given his reads now, can you go and look if those reads make sense in comparison to what he has said in thread and reassess your position on him? I dont know what to think of Shockeyy and Trfel. I see the points for shockeyy being mafia, i just need more info to make a decision because i dont see anything damning in them and it is still early. I see the points for and against Trfel, but as i said i don't know what it makes him, as again, it's still early. Rels hasn't posted so nothing to say there. I think hapa is mafia for what's been said. That's pretty much it. I also think there is a quite high chance Chezinu is the other mafia, the reasoning is kinda stupid and i wish he figures out what i mean Also that's something i need to look more into when he posts more. I'd like to hear though why he is voting for Jock. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:28 Vivax wrote: Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you. I never scumslip dude... never. How dumb you think i am lol? You think i genuinely appealed to you and Trfel as mafia when all the talk we had in the thread was about corona virus basically? Jesus Vivax... | ||
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what about the other stuff i said? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/bdxYN6W.png) | ||
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On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first: haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched. Rels Nothing. Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does. Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town. So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment. into On April 05 2020 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm not saying that. That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up. My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet. ##unvote ##vote: shockeyy I gotta nap on it, but it looks like a thing to lynch for sure. | ||
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On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol. Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now? I really don't want to have explain every little thing. I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not. | ||
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On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you." Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game? | ||
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On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: oh hey look Rayn is tunneling me! Sweet sweet old nostalgia. can you show me even one game where this happened when we were both town? | ||
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On April 05 2020 23:17 Hapahauli wrote: My posts have fundamentally different motivations than Jockey. For one, I don't consider Shockey or Trefel scum-reads. I consider them lynchbait. There's something about their posting that triggers my "gut", and I'd rather try to engage with them early-game and/or think aloud in the thread a bit. Had the thread not kicked up while I was fast asleep, I probably would have continued trying to get them to talk a bit more and open up. Jockey is instead directly scumreading Trefel. So why did you feel the need to say what you did in your first three posts then? Why aren't you scumreading Vivax now because he "took your bait" as you described it? Why don't you have anything to say about anything other than Jock even though the thread has kicked up? | ||
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And yeah i am right 99% of the time on the first part, i dont think there is ever been a game when i have tunneled you from the beginning when i have been mafia and you have been town. | ||
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On April 05 2020 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: when i have tunneled you from the beginning when i have been mafia and you have been town. when we have both been town | ||
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On April 05 2020 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why did you feel the need to say what you did in your first three posts then? Why aren't you scumreading Vivax now because he "took your bait" as you described it? Why don't you have anything to say about anything other than Jock even though the thread has kicked up? Did anyone ever read this post? I think it shows (amongst other things that have happened since) Hapa's scum mindset. He asks Trfel a generic question about shockeyys alignment early on in the game. Turns out he doesn't even have a read on either of those people. He just considers them lynchbaits. What on earth is asking one lynchbait about another lynchbait (not to even say asking the one who actually IS posting about the one who isn't) is ever gonna do in terms of helping you figure out anything in the game? Then he moves on towards Jock who he scumreads for being indecisive in his reads, arguing with his scumread (Trfel) and for him not voting for Hapa. - Townies are often indecisive especially early on in their reads, that doesn't really tell anything about Jock's alignment unless you have some specific proof to show to prove that is not the case with Jock - Townies tend to argue with their scumreads, because noone mostly is going to just roll over and die and that will lead to an argument, naturally - Why is Jock not voting for Hapa scummy (without further expalnation) for Hapa, when the only (without further explanation) legit explanation for Jock to be mafia because of this is if Hapa is mafia? That shouldn't be the case for him, unless he of course assumes he himself is mafia.... Like, none of these points actually should make jock mafia for hapa. I am not saying they can't be a reason for jock to be mafia but hapa has simply no interest in actually figuring shit out, all that is just surface level shit imo. In the same breath i would ask why this indecisiveness is scummy for jock but not for trfel, who "tickled his senses" and is probably 10x more indecisive (has been even in this game) than any other players combined (worth to note here is that hapa doesn't know either of the players so i think it's reasonable to say they should be judged equally by him)? Jock acts indecisive, super duper mafia! Trfel acts super indecisive, "the tone and transparency of this are spot-on with what a townie would be feeling in this particular spot"??????? Another point against him not looking deeper than the surface. Then the read on BC. Sure i might be wrong but in my opinion this is one of the most towniest start of the games i have ever seen BC playing in my life. That was the first thing there that raised even more red flags on hapa for me. (And please do not go on asking me why does this apply to hapa but not vivax -- it's because vivax is not hapa). BC is mafia because he put shockeyy in his town pile. Why the hell would mafia!BC ever put shockeyy in his town pile at this point of the game (especially since Hapa doesn't even think shockeyy is mafia with BC, that might have been one explanation -- but shockeyy is not mafia, jock is)? Even if BC was mafai with shockeyy that still doesn't make any sense at all. Basically he took a read from BC that doesn't make any sense from any alignment pov, and painted it scummy. And no, i don't think the question he asked from BC is him figuring things out. People figure things out first, then make decisions. Once again, another point against him not looking deeper than the surface. So yeah that's pretty much it. I could lynch shockeyy too. Those are the people i am basically willing to lynch today, i have no idea why trfel is even voting for jock tbh. And i dont think jock is mafia. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:08 Hapahauli wrote: Confirmed skirting-by. can you at least try if you're not mafia? | ||
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I have very hard time seeing either of Jock or BC here, Vivax. Especially when i compare their play to other people's play. Sure they can be mafia and you can be right and i can be wrong but i am sorry i just dont see it rn. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:36 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn, are you mafia, or did you have a lobotomy since we last spoke? No, i genuinely think you're mafia because from the get go your posting does not look like anything i would expect from a town!Hapa who is actually good at the game. I am sorry if you're actually town but i just don't believe it here, especially after your refusal to actually participate and even try to play in the end of the day. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:56 Hapahauli wrote: Oh oh carry on. We both misread each other. I said I had a strong preference against lynching Rels, and that the lynch should be between myself and Jock. He didnt misread anything though. If you're mafia and Rels is not then you know youre lynching two townies, because jock and rels are going to die. | ||
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 Or i am bad. But i don't think i am here. | ||
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On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though. | ||
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On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right? well then it's probably you after all and you're going to win. | ||
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On April 07 2020 02:17 Hapahauli wrote: Why so hard-on town for BloodyCobbler and Shockey? Because he made a good case on you, wrong or not. And he didn't consider shockeyy mafia when he had every reason to. I dont know, i just find shockeyys indecisiveness townie in the end. I have no idea what he is trying to gain by acting like that if he is mafia, just make a fucking decision on if to bus or not. On April 07 2020 02:18 Hapahauli wrote: Like we lynch BC tomorrow. Period. With or without you. But you at least have to give me something to show me what's going on in that mind of yours. Maybe you do. I don't think i have a lot to say on that. I still think you're mafia. But i don't think i am gonna consider that and look for something else. I also dont feel like you're being reasonable here because you had a lot of time to address my concerns on you and you never lifted a finger to do that. At best i dont think that was nice. | ||
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- Neither of them having the fury of really fighting against each other earlier when they were scumreading each other. The responses to each other i find out to be super mild in comparison to say Jock's to Trfel. - Both of them being here on deadline, neither of them wanting to do shit about the lynch (there is an example of kind of the same shit here) - Hapa being super cocky only after deadline and not before, esp with this post. I can be and probably am wrong a lot of times but this feels like a scum jab at me knowing i am thinking i am wrong at something, while not wanting to do any of the shit to clear anything up beforehand. It feels shitty and i am gonna feel even more shitty if Hapa in fact does turn up as town but i don't think he will with all this. - It's a good play in all vanilla game. Been there done that. | ||
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I tend to play differently than other people. I dont like games where you lynch the low volume posters and most likely win. That translates towards me trying to figure out the "high-profile" mafia players over random lurk-shit-scum, if you know what i mean. That additionally translates to me being super bad and going ham on people like Palmar when they play a low-post-count play (which i am not used to that much) but are right. That's also why i don't play anymore, i can't justify me playing and trying to put shit together just to find out we lost because 20 people didnt play and 6 of those we lynched were townies. Idk if you can see my pov but yeah, that's it. Talking about people who did bad shit without reason. I think your case on BC is good, the way he handles shockeyy in comparison to his other scumreads that "talked but didn't contribute anything towards the game". I might have missed your point on D1 or you might have not made it clear enough, but i don't care. It's a good case and BC is probably mafia and i am just super bad this game. If it is not BC it's gonna be shockeyy, i genuinely find it "why the fuck would mafia do that????" kind of thing when he needed to justify his vote on you over Jock, but if we talk about things that make no sense then yeah that makes no fucking sense at all. Why would anyone ever NOT want to vote for their scumread over another person if the other person is not that scummy? Third is Trfel. There are things that are just plain out bad. No matter how his case on me was, it was based on "yo rayn isn't playing like this in situation X but i dont know how rayn plays in situation X"... Why.... how can you even say that? I know there is one mafia left and at least two of those people are town, it's fucked up for me because of what i tend to do and how i form my scumreads. I tend to think people make the best choices available and for... or like if i think about Jock, the mafia has to be you (or Trfel), because that's the correct play as mafia. Basically you're never gonna lose. But dumbass logic (that's often right) says BC -> Shockeyy. Chezinu is super town, i agree on what you said on him 12312313%. No bus there. You're probably town too. Vivax is town and i think he is faking a read on BC atm just to stay alive, which is dumb but hey he does that. | ||
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On April 07 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote: BloodyCobber looks the worst to me for three reasons: 1) As I mentioned on Day 1, his Shockey read was pulled out of his ass, and is inconsistent with his approach to the game and general townie paranoia. 2) His behavior around Jock and the lynch, at face value, are very pro-Mafia. 3) His post activity surrounding Jock are again, at face value, consistent with an uncoordinated and unsophisticated mafia team. The Read on Shockey I'm just going to re-summarize my case for the sake of completeness, and hopefully give some people who were discounting my initial words some more clarity on why I felt as strongly as I did. Playing as mafia is about creating an illusion of contribution. Contributing to discussion without actually contributing. Taking bold and hard stances without actually taking a risk. Covering your interactions with your partner just enough to avoid suspicion, while allowing you to coordinate with each other towards mafia objectives. In addition, mafia also play with extra information. They know who's town. Whereas townies often display paranoia, since they are constantly uncertain, especially in the early game. With these two points in mind, take a look at BC's read list. Firstly, considering what Shockey had done until this point in the game, a slight-town read is not consistent with a paranoid town mindset. Take a look at Shockey's filter and look from the beginning to post #117. There's very little in there. So much so that multiple players were making remarks that Shockey was just coasting along and not contributing much. BC later even acknowledges this and re-bumps Shockey down to null, likely in an attempt to save face (spoilerized below). Instead, his first read list is consistent with a mafia-mindset who knows that Shockey is town, and is naturally not-all-that-suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him. ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read. Here I will update my lists for you Town Bloodyc0bbler Lean Town Rayn Vivax Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu Lean scum Jock trfel Scum Hapa There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =) Secondly, and as explained before, the whole rationale behind the read is contrived bullshit. For that, we need to look at the "story" that BloodyCobbler is trying to tell about his town play. BloodyCobber is telling the story that he is reading player filters for the content that they are posting. He considers "substanceless" posting indicative of a mafia tell. Examples are abound: Regarding his scumread on me (Hapa): On Trefel: His stuff on Vivax is especially damning: ... this post on vivax is suggestive that his "method" of early-game tells is just to look for people who seem "contentless" and re-evaluate them as the game goes on. He is willing to cast suspicion on play that he "dislike[s] / view[s] as bad" early on. Given this mentality of reading for "substanceless posting", it is then inconceivable from a town-BC perspective that he would read Shockey's filter and come out with slightly town. Again, see Shockeyy's filter to post #117: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558350-holy-guardians-chapter-2?user=ShoCkeyy There is NO. FUCKING. WAY. That he could genuinely read Shockey as having any substance. Therefore his read is bullshit. Mafia attempting to contribute bullshit reads, and thereby not contributing. Playing with extra information, and therefore knowing that Shockey is town rather than being suspicious of him. I think this is a really good case. | ||
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On April 06 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote: Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know ##vote Jockmcplop May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon. mhm.. | ||
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On April 06 2020 19:29 Trfel wrote: I have no freaking clue I could see you guys being right and Hapahauli being mafia, I could even more easily see Jockmcplop being town, but really it would just be a trust vote because I don't fully understand it Gonna try and sleep and worry about it in the morning.Raynpelikoneet, would you mind explaining why Hapahauli's scumread on BloodyC0bbler is so bad? | ||
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talking about BAD SHIT?? | ||
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On April 08 2020 00:23 Hapahauli wrote: Devils advocate: If you're going to bus there, why not go harder? Surely mafia will go for at least some amount of "townie cred" in that spot? I think i have entertained that with every fucking voter on jock and lol, i get only "it's a good day to bus by rayn's mafia 101" | ||
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On April 08 2020 00:26 Hapahauli wrote: Out of curiosity, how (and when) does scum-Rayn bus Jock? What's the play, what do you communicate to him in the QT, and what are you generally posting in the thread? Always, after the vote on shockeyy I can give you an example (not jock though but similar) gimme a sec | ||
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On April 08 2020 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549333-minifeast-15?user=raynpelikoneet scum qt from the game: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/ESQUvkmKkguW7 | ||
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On April 08 2020 00:29 Hapahauli wrote: So basically, you're assuming he is irredeemable after the Shockey vote and hard-shipping him unless thread sentiment wildly changes? yes | ||
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On April 08 2020 00:38 Hapahauli wrote: That's a pretty decisive bus. The QT is fascinating to read. Under a "sophisticated mafia" theory, it's probably actually Vivax who is the most likely candidate for a bus. No, Trfel. By play. | ||
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On April 08 2020 00:38 Vivax wrote: You are brainfucking yourselves too much over overcomplicated theories. That's all there is to it, been there done that. No I don't fake that Shockeyyy is my top scumread over BC just to stay alive. He is. You guys just have a really hard time seeing that he is mafia. Dnu why. He really just didn't do anything that had a semblance of having an opinion for 3/4th of D1 but keeps claiming he did and now he's just posting stuff that makes it look like he just skims a bit and then posts stuff out of thin air like it suits him. Plus he was begging me to see something scummy about Hapa at the end of D1. I mean, he tried and shit. well you kinda townread BC after Hapa gave even better reasons to scunmread him. | ||
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On April 08 2020 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you think Chezinu is mafia? this was for shockeyy | ||
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On April 08 2020 02:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: Because no one else thinks he is, even though he's literally just put a lot of effort (i guess) into his videos. No one would suspect of a mafia member wanting to put that much effort into the game. | ||
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On April 08 2020 02:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: Because no one else thinks he is, even though he's literally just put a lot of effort (i guess) into his videos. No one would suspect of a mafia member wanting to put that much effort into the game. you think chezinu is mafia because noone else does? | ||
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On April 08 2020 03:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: What do you want me to answer?Can you answer my other question before I answer yours? No one seems to be interacting with his videos, while everyone auto assumes he's town, that's mafia dream right there. I definitely think BC is more mafia than Chez at this point, but you never know. | ||
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On April 08 2020 02:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: If you put the play speed at 2.0 he looks like a coked out mafia gang member. If you put 4x he is defintely mafia what the fuck do you want me to say? | ||
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On April 08 2020 02:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: Have you watched his videos Rayn? If you put the play speed at 2.0 he looks like a coked out mafia gang member. okay so? does that make him mafia or what? | ||
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On April 08 2020 04:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: You made it very clear you think quite a few people are mafia. Your most recent reads include BC/Trfel. I just wanted to make sure you changed your read on Hap is all. when do you think i changed my read on hapa? can you give me like a post of mine that you think "oh it happens here"? | ||
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i almost cant NOT find shit on other people over you... | ||
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On April 08 2020 04:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: Are you taking the lore of the game into account at all? me? am i? no?? lol | ||
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On April 08 2020 05:14 Chezinu wrote: OOC: rayn, I already asked shocky why he thought I was I have no idea what you are talking about son.. Maybe it is too much wine talking or something else, but i love you son <3 | ||
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i made up my mind. i think trfel is mafia. got it or got it not. ggnore. | ||
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On April 10 2020 02:18 Hapahauli wrote: I don't see an option other than Shockey. Rayn, talk to me about your Trfel read when you get the chance. idk what's there to tal kabout, i said everything i haev already. | ||
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On April 10 2020 02:37 Hapahauli wrote: Couldn't the same be said about Trfel ("cluelessness")? Like i literally talked about this after last game where i hydraed with Chezinu.. On April 03 2020 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: "I think main thign to watch now is what Trfel thinks of us. Day 1 we wanted to save both him and Kelsier, and lynch GB or Sentinel. D2 we wanted to lynch GB or Sentinel (where we voted doesn't really matter here). For Trfel we should be 100% town because we are doing very townie things assuming he is town and GB is ??? . So basically, if he calls us mafia then i think he is mafia." "yeah he said "they feel kinda town but need to re-evaluate" ä "yeah, i still his response is mild somehow" Sadly i never got to investogate this further lol... well or pretty much anything. gg and the google reads were a total blast, i laughed so hard with chezinu yesterday hahaha^^On April 03 2020 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Should have trusted the only correct way to read Trfel btw... I said this some point during D1: I wouldn't have lynched Trfel if i was in the game properly with the information i had so gj guys. On April 03 2020 04:47 Rels wrote: now I'm curious about that thing, but I suppose you will want to keep it for potential later games :p On April 03 2020 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is when he says something really smart and then immediately after second guesses himself and it feels like he genuinely feels bad about what he first said lol. I have already told this to him before it's just impossible to fake. On April 03 2020 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: holy shit rels. had you just made the case on trfel and not posted some shit sentinel said i would have known trfel is mafia. i didnt even remember i said that just before i decided you had to be mafia when re-reading.... so it's your fault i was bad. i sent you the logs in PM. the thing is it feels like he's faking shit and hasn't said anything smart. like really smart smart.. everything is just super wishy-washy, like his read on jock (and jock's read on him too). When i am reading again i have absolutely no idea why they even voted for each other ever because it seems like both of them had better scumreads at the time. | ||
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On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads. I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:36 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn, are you mafia, or did you have a lobotomy since we last spoke? .....as mafia. Knowing me and hapa and how "internet friends" we have been, and how annoyedly he treated me during the second irl-day of D1 (in my opinion -- and i know he knows he did that too and how i would feel about it), i find it very very very unlike that he would make this post, then call everyone idiots after the lynch and all that yadda yadda. | ||
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On April 03 2020 00:52 Someone wise wrote: Trfel has a 3 page filter I'm voting Trfel This is a good case. | ||
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