[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2

On April 05 2020 02:12 Trfel wrote:
Don't we all have to belong to the family?

And I don't feel sorry for myself because I don't plan on dying

On April 05 2020 08:40 Trfel wrote:
Out of curiosity, why did you ask this? Did you expect me to say "I'm just here to survive because I am mafia" or what?

On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?

I don't see it.




Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.

I don't think all players play like that at all.

A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).

So the two assumptions you had made were:

1: I think you are mafia
2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)

Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.

On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.

Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.

Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.

I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.

Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.

Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:

haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.

Rels Nothing.

Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.

Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.

So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.

On April 05 2020 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game?

On April 05 2020 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

can you show me even one game where this happened when we were both town?

On April 05 2020 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So why did you feel the need to say what you did in your first three posts then? Why aren't you scumreading Vivax now because he "took your bait" as you described it? Why don't you have anything to say about anything other than Jock even though the thread has kicked up?

On April 05 2020 18:54 Vivax wrote:
This is going to be a hard game, too much scummy stuff from too many people that can't all be mafia.

On April 05 2020 15:16 Trfel wrote:
Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?

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Side note, I really want to be suspicious of Jockmcplop, his wording and logic just feel so off, but I can't put my finger on it or articulate why So I'll let it drop. I reserve the right to be suspicious of him later though

On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Town
Bloodyc0bbler

Leaning town
Shockeyy
Jockmcplop

Null
Chezinu
Rayn
Rels

Lean scum
Vivax

Scum
Trfel
Hapa

On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

On April 05 2020 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote:


That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to.

It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them.

On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.

Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.

Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.

I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.

Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.

Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:

haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.

Rels Nothing.

Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.

Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.

So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.

On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.

...

On April 07 2020 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

can you at least try if you're not mafia?

On April 07 2020 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Of course you don't care since two townies is most likely to get lynched. Great job giving yourself up.

On April 07 2020 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Of course you don't care since two townies is most likely to get lynched. Great job giving yourself up.

On April 07 2020 04:29 Trfel wrote:
@Hapahauli: Why didn't you care who got lynched between you and Jockmcplop?

On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?

I don't see it.




Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.

I don't think all players play like that at all.

A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).

So the two assumptions you had made were:

1: I think you are mafia
2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)

Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.

On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Town
Bloodyc0bbler

Leaning town
Shockeyy
Jockmcplop

Null
Chezinu
Rayn
Rels

Lean scum
Vivax

Scum
Trfel
Hapa

On April 05 2020 15:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
His posts scream posting for sake of posting. Asking questions is great, but only if followed by content. I dont like what ive seen thus far.

Interesting question though ;p

On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?

Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff.
If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.

On April 05 2020 18:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Its why I have him as a scum lean. Play I dislike / view as bad (not saying it is the wrong way to play just that i dont like it) makes me lower you down until you do something that stands out. I am merely waiting for it. He has been more active since my original read, but he still needs to give real content to the thread.

On April 06 2020 04:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you.

What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did.

On April 06 2020 04:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you calling him bad, or are you calling him mafia?

On April 06 2020 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Yes

On April 06 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:
How and why are you slight-town-reading Shockeyy? Are you still?

On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.

ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.

Here I will update my lists for you

Town
Bloodyc0bbler

Lean Town
Rayn
Vivax

Null
Rels
Shockeyy
Chezinu

Lean scum
Jock
trfel

Scum
Hapa



There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)

On April 05 2020 13:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Yo jock. You read things clearly. Anything good catch your eye? yes no maybe so?

On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.

Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm

On April 05 2020 14:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


havent played with him in ages tbh.

my memory from the ol days aint what it used to be. I want more from him atm but thats about it.

On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:




That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour

On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.

On April 06 2020 23:03 Jockmcplop wrote:




I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though.

He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads?

The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean.

Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea.

On April 06 2020 23:33 Jockmcplop wrote:

Yeah that checks out.

BC still a townread for me then.

On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote:
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.

Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?

On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.





It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.



Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?

Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?

On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.

Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?

Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?

I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?

On April 07 2020 09:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Is that not what you meant with the line here?



K now I gotta go, be back in like an hour at least.

On April 07 2020 09:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"

Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.

On April 07 2020 09:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Shockeyy while being pressured is more answering questions while consistently reading to catch up. He has played in 20+ people games where by this point in time we'd have 200+ pages of content. He has experience in reading / being caught up in those games. So if you post 3-5 times in a 21 page game where the first 2ish pages are pregame / signups. So a 18-19 page game, 20 posts a page where most aren't very long catching up should be well, easy. Filter diving makes it easier. Given that to get anything of substance requires constantly pushing him to respond to things, makes me see scum motivations.

Not saying he hasn't had migraines but I also remember people faking moving / random other life stuff as scum to avoid posting in game.

Chez is honestly a mixture of 2 things. Last few games ive played with him, as town, hes at least helpful in his flavour posting. You can clearly see what he wants. So far this game flavour wise, the only thing he has wanted to do was kill Andrezza. To drop a vote (never change said vote) and manage to make that specific person die is pretty lucky no?
I may have bias because his steak cooking method made me die inside.

On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.

Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.

Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.

I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.

Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.

Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:

haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.

Rels Nothing.

Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.

Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.

So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.

On April 05 2020 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm not saying that.

That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.

My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.


##unvote
##vote: shockeyy

On April 07 2020 09:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


as for your 1) At the moment I would say shockeyy. I will go dig up a game of chez being helpful some point in a few hours. Might take me a bit to find a good example.

3) TBH those posts are the biggest reason I said he could be mafia/bad. In no world does it make sense to say my top scumread is x then not vote for them. His list clearly said lynch in order of Hapa, Rels, Shockeyy, Trfel. Given that shockeyy didnt say anything to move himself up that list / mixed with the fact he included someone who hadn't posted anything at all as scummier than 2 players is well, a tell imo.

On April 07 2020 10:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:



1) rayn, hap, trfel
2) bloodycobbler, chezinu
3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.

On April 07 2020 10:36 Trfel wrote:
I'm dumb, that's what you guys were talking about with the whole jarring thing. But on my phone I can't seem to find the conversation.

Just thinking out loud, which given the low number of posts in the thread is fine I believe.

Curious if anyone knows when Jockmcplop realized he was going to be lynched. I want to look at Jockmcplop's filter to try and get any hints to if there was an intentional bus play or not.

On April 06 2020 23:03 Jockmcplop wrote:




I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though.

He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads?

The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean.

Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea.

On April 06 2020 23:33 Jockmcplop wrote:

Yeah that checks out.

BC still a townread for me then.

On April 07 2020 01:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
trfel help

On April 05 2020 17:22 Chezinu wrote:
##vote Jockmcplop

Consequences

On April 05 2020 17:40 Vivax wrote:


He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree.

Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think?

I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive.

On April 05 2020 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

into

I gotta nap on it, but it looks like a thing to lynch for sure.

On April 07 2020 11:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:


It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.

On April 07 2020 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fine. First of all i mostly wanted to play with you so i am annoyed at what you did during the eod1, regardless the out outcome. So fuck you for that.

I tend to play differently than other people. I dont like games where you lynch the low volume posters and most likely win. That translates towards me trying to figure out the "high-profile" mafia players over random lurk-shit-scum, if you know what i mean. That additionally translates to me being super bad and going ham on people like Palmar when they play a low-post-count play (which i am not used to that much) but are right. That's also why i don't play anymore, i can't justify me playing and trying to put shit together just to find out we lost because 20 people didnt play and 6 of those we lynched were townies. Idk if you can see my pov but yeah, that's it.

Talking about people who did bad shit without reason.

I think your case on BC is good, the way he handles shockeyy in comparison to his other scumreads that "talked but didn't contribute anything towards the game". I might have missed your point on D1 or you might have not made it clear enough, but i don't care. It's a good case and BC is probably mafia and i am just super bad this game.

If it is not BC it's gonna be shockeyy, i genuinely find it "why the fuck would mafia do that????" kind of thing when he needed to justify his vote on you over Jock, but if we talk about things that make no sense then yeah that makes no fucking sense at all. Why would anyone ever NOT want to vote for their scumread over another person if the other person is not that scummy?

Third is Trfel. There are things that are just plain out bad. No matter how his case on me was, it was based on "yo rayn isn't playing like this in situation X but i dont know how rayn plays in situation X"... Why.... how can you even say that?

I know there is one mafia left and at least two of those people are town, it's fucked up for me because of what i tend to do and how i form my scumreads. I tend to think people make the best choices available and for... or like if i think about Jock, the mafia has to be you (or Trfel), because that's the correct play as mafia. Basically you're never gonna lose.

But dumbass logic (that's often right) says BC -> Shockeyy.

Chezinu is super town, i agree on what you said on him 12312313%. No bus there.
You're probably town too.
Vivax is town and i think he is faking a read on BC atm just to stay alive, which is dumb but hey he does that.

On April 07 2020 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fine. First of all i mostly wanted to play with you so i am annoyed at what you did during the eod1, regardless the out outcome. So fuck you for that.

I tend to play differently than other people. I dont like games where you lynch the low volume posters and most likely win. That translates towards me trying to figure out the "high-profile" mafia players over random lurk-shit-scum, if you know what i mean. That additionally translates to me being super bad and going ham on people like Palmar when they play a low-post-count play (which i am not used to that much) but are right. That's also why i don't play anymore, i can't justify me playing and trying to put shit together just to find out we lost because 20 people didnt play and 6 of those we lynched were townies. Idk if you can see my pov but yeah, that's it.

On April 07 2020 14:33 Vivax wrote:


I don't know what game you are reading. Prove me wrong that I called out Jock first right after my Trfel townread. You are making this about a vote position when everyone who would have been mafia on the Jock wagon had the hammer to lynch Hapa instead. Jock wagon is 200% all town.

Most posts after day end didn't make me feel like I had to chime in and I was relaxing after the kinda tense EoD before going to bed. And right now, BC looks townier to me, while you just look like superscum at this point.



Btw now I can imagine the why of this.

On April 07 2020 15:21 Vivax wrote:


He's fluid in his re-evaluation and I like that he picked up on Shockeyyy's 'catch-up' being a tad too slow and disinterested for a game of this size, but especially disinterested. At EoD I was thinking myself of how we used to have D1s with 50-100 pages and then there's him struggling with 20 pages and trying to get peeps to vote Hapa.

Also because Shockeyy is climbing the olymp to mr. superscum much faster by flailing around posting disinformation.

On April 08 2020 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.

On April 09 2020 02:46 ShoCkeyy wrote:


He literally posted a little bit before this that he was voting me. I don't get what is it with townie people just not reading the thread.

On April 09 2020 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Yeah, no, same exact reaction to this post I did to Jock.

7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.

On April 10 2020 02:23 Trfel wrote:
Purely because of Chezinu's vote on Jockmcplop?

Maybe I'm tinfoiling too much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I could see it coming from mafia. Still a useful point but yeah, Chezinu is so unpredictable...

On April 08 2020 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:
My thoughts on Chez:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558350-holy-guardians-chapter-2?page=22#439
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558350-holy-guardians-chapter-2?page=23#441
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558350-holy-guardians-chapter-2?page=23#442

On April 10 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He seems to a lot of doubt about his reads, it's like he is "clueless" to some level which doesn't seem to line up with his games as mafia where he actually makes cases and shit.

On April 07 2020 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Like, I get that Chez is random, but I don't think he's cruel or mean enough to his scum teammates to vote him and abandon him.

Rayn reads strongly town to me, both based on his filter and Jocks' filter. This is for three reasons:
1) Most players, and especially forum players, have some desire to save-face. Pride in a purest sense. Rayn set up for this lynch with reckless abandon with no attempt whatsoever to save face. His posting literally sets up to humiliate himself after the flip. Mafia Rayn would know my alignment, as well as Jock's alignment. He is a sophisticated, smart, and experienced player enough to evaluate that there was a pretty high chance of Jock dying.
2) I really like Rayn's posting right after the flip. Again, a basic desire to save face. The torment of "oh god maybe I was wrong , to *BZZZZT DOES NOT COMPUTE RAWEFWHFJ*, to full on 'jet fuel does not melt steel beams" is a very townie thought process for someone who was wrong, and who's pride will not allow him to admit that he is wrong.
3) Reading Jock's filter transparently, there is a very clear attempt by Jock to white-knight Rayn early in the game:


This post screams of "Jock is taking a hard and safe stance because he knows that Rayn is town". Given Jock's later posts, again, I am taking this post at face value, rather than weighing it for mindgames.

On April 06 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote:
Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning

Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know

##vote Jockmcplop

May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon.

On April 11 2020 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed...

So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.

On April 11 2020 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.

Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia

On April 11 2020 01:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough:
1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch.
2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch.
3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot.
4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name.

On April 13 2020 02:15 Vivax wrote:


lol, it actually cast some decent shade on Chez in the obs.
Good one playing the derpy town though, you weren't that obvious.
Hapa didn't get rusty either.