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Like, I get that Chez is random, but I don't think he's cruel or mean enough to his scum teammates to vote him and abandon him.
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Damn... mafia-Chez would be such a dick to have done that. He is random, but I do think he is nice at heart, hence the light humor he intersperses in our various game on the site.
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On April 07 2020 11:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 10:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote:
I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels:
1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket?
2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket?
3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates? 1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly. What bucket is Vivax in?
It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.
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Vivax also bitched about my activity, even though I think I was pretty active D1 and now N1.
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On April 07 2020 11:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 11:01 Hapahauli wrote:On April 07 2020 10:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote:
I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels:
1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket?
2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket?
3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates? 1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly. What bucket is Vivax in? It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.
To Devil's Advocate on your Vivax read, wouldn't him being last make him more townie?
In your analysis, this is a Hapa vs. Jock lynch. Vivax would have come in and essentially secured the lynch of his "scumbuddy" over a townie. Do you consider this a likely scenario for a mafia-Vivax? If so, why?
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On April 07 2020 11:23 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 11:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 07 2020 11:01 Hapahauli wrote:On April 07 2020 10:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote:
I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels:
1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket?
2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket?
3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates? 1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly. What bucket is Vivax in? It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence. Did you look at his voting pattern? To Devil's Advocate on your Vivax read, wouldn't him being last make him more townie? In your analysis, this is a Hapa vs. Jock lynch. Vivax would have come in and essentially secured the lynch of his "scumbuddy" over a townie. Do you consider this a likely scenario for a mafia-Vivax? If so, why?
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some how what I wrote got deleted... anhyways, short story, did you look at vivax voting pattern?
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I stand corrected on Vivax - he was 3rd of the 4 people on the Wagon (Trfel being last).
That being said, you list three "reasons" to be skeptical of your town read:
1) He was "one of the last" on the Wagon.
2) He "dissappeared" after the D1 post
3) He "doesn't mind killing a town."
I still don't quite understand how 1 and 2 are mafia tells. Can you point out to me where he says 3?
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On April 07 2020 07:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 01:15 Vivax wrote:
If we murder Shockeyy here even if he's town it's one less vote for mafia in the long run. This post also made me feel bad. I guess I am lynch bait after almost voting Hap off.
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On April 07 2020 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:1)In some insano world, you lynch me, then "town-BC" is captain of the ship heading into LYLO. You have one lynch. Who is more likely to flip mafia; Chez or Shockey? 2)Please link me games re: Chez meta that you are referencing. 3)How do you interpret this sequence by Jock: Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him? I'm not saying that. That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up. My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote
##vote: shockeyy
As you are looking for things you can extrapolate.
1, at the time of this post you were still in the lead for votes (I think, ill admit I could be wrong here) and as such he didnt want to hammer vote his team mate. This would mean however that he was bussed by his teammate fairly early in the game.
2. Shockeyy could be simple lynchbait, or that he was attempting to set him up to look that way so that people won't off his mafia buddy.
3. Trfel was someone he suspected but never went full attack dog on as to keep a mafia buddy alive / didnt want to stand out because Vivax was defending him.
4. all 4 of his reads were utter trash and all people within it are innocent and the real mafia is somewhere between Me, Vivax, Rayn, Chez. One could argue priority on me and Vivax as we are the two he said were fully town in his eyes.
those are the 4 major points id conclude. Issue being without fully knowing his mindset you have no idea which option is the correct one.
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On April 07 2020 10:54 Trfel wrote:@BloodyC0bbler: Why did you townread ShoCkeyy early Day 1? I know you already answered it here: Show nested quote +On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him. But to me, that doesn't make any sense. Given that you said that you didn't like his entrance: Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough. and your scumreads (Vivax, Hapahauli, and me) weren't focusing him at all. I looked at player filters to confirm this. I asked ShoCkeyy a few questions, but said my read on him was "exactly null." Vivax had ShoCkeyy had top scum for about 20 minutes, and quickly jumped away to focus on Jockmcplop. Hapahauli barely mentioned ShoCkeyy and didn't suggest he was mafia in the slightest. So how did you arrive at this read? Because to me it doesn't add up.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2020 05:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue... Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis. I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point. Anything game related? I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related. Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy feels weird. Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse. That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad. I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2020 13:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 10:25 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 10:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 05 2020 09:31 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 09:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 05 2020 08:35 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 05:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy feels weird. I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue... On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis. I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point. Anything game related? I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related. On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy feels weird. Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse. That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad. I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie. Have you finished your chores yet? And out of curiosity, did you confirm? I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game? Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond? Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior? Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that. That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment? It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:Wow does everyone see something off with rayn? I don't see it. On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote:So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Is that saying you dont belong to the family?  On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive. Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements. INITIATE DISLIKE PILE. Care to explain why? @Vivax, you too? It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious. Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them. Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure. I don't think all players play like that at all. A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made). So the two assumptions you had made were: 1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else) Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players. Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Now toss in the fact he was receiving pressure for multiple players, two of which I thought at the time were far worse looking means I will move my general read from say Null to leaning town.
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Bedtime gents. Night y’all.
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On April 07 2020 11:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 11:01 Hapahauli wrote:On April 07 2020 10:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote:
I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels:
1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket?
2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket?
3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates? 1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly. What bucket is Vivax in? It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.
I don't know what game you are reading. Prove me wrong that I called out Jock first right after my Trfel townread. You are making this about a vote position when everyone who would have been mafia on the Jock wagon had the hammer to lynch Hapa instead. Jock wagon is 200% all town.
Most posts after day end didn't make me feel like I had to chime in and I was relaxing after the kinda tense EoD before going to bed. And right now, BC looks townier to me, while you just look like superscum at this point.
On April 05 2020 21:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just gonna say Vivax, if you think i would ever as mafia townread someone for absolutely nothing (i have weird reasons - for other people - to townread people at times as either alignment, but for nothing is not one of them), i dont think you know me that well. This is not even saying i can't be mafia it's just saying that reasoning of yours is absolutely idiotic. But it wasn't an explicit townread, you just said there were only townies in the thread. As for the other stuff, not convinced of Hapa, there's just too little in his filter to be able to jump to a conclusion. Needs to post more, until then null. And if you think his filter is alignment indicative already you are bad or mafia imo. As for Jock, he really didn't do much besides sort of tunneling Trfel. There's this which could be regarded as looking at something else besides Trfel but it's just a whole bunch of nothing and also looks bad. Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
It's like he thinks Shockey should look scummy but is afraid to say he thinks he does.
Btw now I can imagine the why of this.
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Vivax, why does BloodyC0bbler look townier now?
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On April 07 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, why does BloodyC0bbler look townier now?
He's fluid in his re-evaluation and I like that he picked up on Shockeyyy's 'catch-up' being a tad too slow and disinterested for a game of this size, but especially disinterested. At EoD I was thinking myself of how we used to have D1s with 50-100 pages and then there's him struggling with 20 pages and trying to get peeps to vote Hapa.
Also because Shockeyy is climbing the olymp to mr. superscum much faster by flailing around posting disinformation.
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