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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 23:25 GMT
#401
So the crowd got quiet now?
Life?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 06 2020 23:25 GMT
#402
I'm here and waiting yo. How goes your readthrough?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 23:30 GMT
#403
I keep re-reading through posts 230 and 338. Kinda stuck on something here, especially with the day post.
Life?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 06 2020 23:35 GMT
#404
What are you stuck on?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 06 2020 23:52 GMT
#405
On April 07 2020 08:35 Hapahauli wrote:
What are you stuck on?


your pressure clearly.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 23:55 GMT
#406
It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.

On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote:
Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?

When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?

Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.


On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote:
The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.


It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.

On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote:
You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?


Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
Life?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 23:58 GMT
#407
Anyways I'll be right back, I spent the last two - three hours catching up and ignored work
Life?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 07 2020 00:08 GMT
#408
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.

Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?

Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?

I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 00:11 GMT
#409
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote:
Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?

When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?

Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.


Show nested quote +
On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote:
The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.


It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote:
You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?


Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?


I don't think anyone truly has a grasp on how Chez plays.

I personally feel it is difficult to entertain Chez's alignment until some of the more plausible scummers are dead. Occam's razor works for now - the most plausible explanation is that he's town, regardless of how random the vote is.

Also, I don't quite get this:
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?


Where did I say I didn't want to discuss Chez? In my long list-o-reads, I state something along the lines of I am not looking at Chez, because I am discounting the chance of "sophisticated" mafia plays (i.e. hard bus plays) due to how Jock was posting.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 00:13 GMT
#410
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.

Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?

Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?

I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?


Shockey is certainly a plausible red.

Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.

Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.

Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 07 2020 00:15 GMT
#411
On April 07 2020 09:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.

On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote:
Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?

When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?

Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.


On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote:
The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.


It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.

On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote:
You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?


Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?


I don't think anyone truly has a grasp on how Chez plays.

I personally feel it is difficult to entertain Chez's alignment until some of the more plausible scummers are dead. Occam's razor works for now - the most plausible explanation is that he's town, regardless of how random the vote is.

Also, I don't quite get this:
Show nested quote +
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?


Where did I say I didn't want to discuss Chez? In my long list-o-reads, I state something along the lines of I am not looking at Chez, because I am discounting the chance of "sophisticated" mafia plays (i.e. hard bus plays) due to how Jock was posting.


Is that not what you meant with the line here?

Chez, Trfel, and Vivax are in the do not lynch category. All of them had the opportunity to save their "teammate" but chose not to. If there is a bus play, we can explore that at LYLO.


K now I gotta go, be back in like an hour at least.
Life?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 00:18 GMT
#412
On April 07 2020 09:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 09:11 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.

On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote:
Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?

When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?

Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.


On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote:
The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.


It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.

On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote:
You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?


Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?


I don't think anyone truly has a grasp on how Chez plays.

I personally feel it is difficult to entertain Chez's alignment until some of the more plausible scummers are dead. Occam's razor works for now - the most plausible explanation is that he's town, regardless of how random the vote is.

Also, I don't quite get this:
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?


Where did I say I didn't want to discuss Chez? In my long list-o-reads, I state something along the lines of I am not looking at Chez, because I am discounting the chance of "sophisticated" mafia plays (i.e. hard bus plays) due to how Jock was posting.


Is that not what you meant with the line here?

Show nested quote +
Chez, Trfel, and Vivax are in the do not lynch category. All of them had the opportunity to save their "teammate" but chose not to. If there is a bus play, we can explore that at LYLO.


K now I gotta go, be back in like an hour at least.


Ah yes. Same answer. I am not considering Chez until we have explored more plausible options. Doing so would be purely tinfoil on a player known for "randomness" and relative unreadability.

Occam's razor.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 07 2020 00:18 GMT
#413
On April 07 2020 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.

Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?

Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?

I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?


Shockey is certainly a plausible red.

Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.

Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.

Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.


Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"

Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 00:21 GMT
#414
On April 07 2020 09:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.

Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?

Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?

I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?


Shockey is certainly a plausible red.

Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.

Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.

Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.


Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"

Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.


I'm not worried about my ability to spew town at LYLO, if that's what you're getting at. Nor am I worried about my ability to railroad this lynch against you.

I'm wiling to entertain the conversation though. Why are Shockey and/or Chez more likely to flip scum than you?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 07 2020 00:25 GMT
#415
On April 07 2020 07:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 07:36 Hapahauli wrote:
I understand that you're re-reading the thread, there's a fair amount of new and present content to go on. What do you make of Rayn and BC?


I don't think Rayn is mafia, he's a head strong player when he's town, and I can see it in him. Jock though first went for trfel, then rayn, then me, then you. BC on the other hand is interesting. He voted for you first. That's my biggest scum tell this game. BC/Jock does seem like a possible team when Jock leaned on you last.

The only other conclusion I can come up with is that, Jock knew he scum slipped and told Chez to vote him instantly to keep Chez safe. Very tinfoiling but this is mafia, you never fucking know anymore...

OOC: But why would Chez listen to his teammates?!?!?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 07 2020 00:27 GMT
#416
On April 07 2020 09:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.

Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?

Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?

I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?


Shockey is certainly a plausible red.

Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.

Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.

Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.


Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"

Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.


MOM!!!

What is up with the pool!??!?

Why is it green? Why does it have a barbed wired fence around it?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 07 2020 00:29 GMT
#417
Shockeyy while being pressured is more answering questions while consistently reading to catch up. He has played in 20+ people games where by this point in time we'd have 200+ pages of content. He has experience in reading / being caught up in those games. So if you post 3-5 times in a 21 page game where the first 2ish pages are pregame / signups. So a 18-19 page game, 20 posts a page where most aren't very long catching up should be well, easy. Filter diving makes it easier. Given that to get anything of substance requires constantly pushing him to respond to things, makes me see scum motivations.

Not saying he hasn't had migraines but I also remember people faking moving / random other life stuff as scum to avoid posting in game.

Chez is honestly a mixture of 2 things. Last few games ive played with him, as town, hes at least helpful in his flavour posting. You can clearly see what he wants. So far this game flavour wise, the only thing he has wanted to do was kill Andrezza. To drop a vote (never change said vote) and manage to make that specific person die is pretty lucky no?
I may have bias because his steak cooking method made me die inside.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 07 2020 00:29 GMT
#418
Hey Dad,

Can I have Andrezza's room?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 07 2020 00:30 GMT
#419
On April 07 2020 09:27 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 09:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 07 2020 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.

Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?

Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?

I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?


Shockey is certainly a plausible red.

Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.

Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.

Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.


Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"

Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.


MOM!!!

What is up with the pool!??!?

Why is it green? Why does it have a barbed wired fence around it?


You were defiling my kitchen again. Have to punish you somehow.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 07 2020 00:31 GMT
#420
I will also state now. Regardless of his alignment. Chez's content is by far some of the most enjoyable posting of his I have seen in ages. Seeing a master troll work his art is actually amazing
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
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