EPTSame with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?
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Trfel
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Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 05 2020 14:40 Trfel wrote: I appreciate you answering, thank you. Do you have any players you are suspicious of at this point? And if not, what do you think of my "case" on raynpelikoneet? Time to answer, just think of the opposite players here: Include Hap and exclude chez/bloody. The rest is null, I don't have a slight clue yet to who is mafia is until night kill or D2 posts. As for your rayn stuff, I think it was generic casing since it was the start of the game, but definitely something to look at for D2. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Please give me your thoughts on my BC case on the bottom of Page 19. Where is it strong, where is it weak, and is it overall compelling enough to move BC as #1 on the scum list. This hasn't been too active of a game, so the town steamroller should start tonight. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote: BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset. Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia? Because if you look near end of day. People were on the Kill hap / Kill jock. Id say in the game only 1-2 people considered both possible to be scum. If you are double busing and given the game state, the survivor will almost always be seen as "town" for at least a few days of play. Look at how hes playing now. Why do you go full on asshole unhelpful, to brag, to suddenly huge spur of activity with "reads" to how you have the game figured out. Hap may be rusty, but he has played back in the day. Mafia full on busing people was a staple. Dumb play or not, shit like that happens. In terms of him saying he wont do it, possibly, but then why say it? It makes 0 sense to ever say it as town, only makes sense as mafia. Stupid or not, people make mistakes. Hell I will admit I probably am tunneled on Hap. But his entire play screams the same bullshit that Artanis pulled last year. Slow ride out in thread, gets called out (by me) and suddenly he appears in thread and spends a ton of it screaming "BC is scum, BC is scum" making tons of analysis posts misconstruing my play, etc.. Fully admit I could be tunneling, however I cant wrap my head around how hes behaving and thus hes on my lynch list. Could I be wrong, sure. I don't think I am though. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote: BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset. Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia? BC is just trying to bullshit his way into a case. Just be aware that he is an experienced enough player to tell you what you want to hear. That is why he dodged suspicion on Day 1 from most of the playerbase. | ||
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Trfel
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I do want to check on Jockmcplop's read on BloodyC0bbler, where he said it checks out and keeps him at town lean. Does it really check out? Note to self. Also BloodyC0bbler's read on ShoCkeyy. Hapahauli made some really good points on this, where BloodyC0bbler said he read ShoCkeyy as town partially because some of his scumreads were reading ShoCkeyy as mafia. But that's actually not true at all. This point was kinda forgotten but I think it's worth bringing back up. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On April 07 2020 06:48 Hapahauli wrote: BC is just trying to bullshit his way into a case. Just be aware that he is an experienced enough player to tell you what you want to hear. That is why he dodged suspicion on Day 1 from most of the playerbase. Going to just say this to the bolded post. You have played a lot of games. A bunch with me. Every game I have played after i was viewed as "experienced', I have been viewed as scum day 1. There is always 1 person, if not multiple, who view me negatively. You can say I dodged suspicion. I didn't. You called me out, Vivax pushed me at points, etc... I may not have been a lynch target for day 1 but you quite honestly just lied right there. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
ShoCkeyy, thanks for answering too. For the record, my "case" on raynpelikoneet was pretty weak, and I don't think it's worth revisiting. Just to make sure, you are saying Hapahauli is town and BloodyC0bbler and Chezinu are null? Or the reverse? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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BloodyC0bbler
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Hapahauli
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To be clear, my plan tomorrow is to vote for myself, and not to move my vote unless everyone else consolidates on BC. If everyone does not consolidate on BC, the Plurality mechanic will lead to my unstoppable lynch. Tomorrow is between BC and myself. No one else. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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ShoCkeyy
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Hapahauli
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BloodyC0bbler
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On April 07 2020 07:08 Hapahauli wrote: BC, off topic (and out of my steamroller persona), but have we actually played a game before? I don't remember any. at least 1. Maybe more than that? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 07 2020 07:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: Working and reading the thread from start to beginning. I left off on a Vivax post that made me look more into rayn and jock posts. I want to also follow up with your BC case, but I need to read it into context. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 07 2020 07:36 Hapahauli wrote: I understand that you're re-reading the thread, there's a fair amount of new and present content to go on. What do you make of Rayn and BC? I don't think Rayn is mafia, he's a head strong player when he's town, and I can see it in him. Jock though first went for trfel, then rayn, then me, then you. BC on the other hand is interesting. He voted for you first. That's my biggest scum tell this game. BC/Jock does seem like a possible team when Jock leaned on you last. The only other conclusion I can come up with is that, Jock knew he scum slipped and told Chez to vote him instantly to keep Chez safe. Very tinfoiling but this is mafia, you never fucking know anymore... | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 07 2020 01:15 Vivax wrote: If we murder Shockeyy here even if he's town it's one less vote for mafia in the long run. This post also made me feel bad. I guess I am lynch bait after almost voting Hap off. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 07 2020 06:55 Trfel wrote: BloodyC0bbler, thanks for answering. I'll take some time and think about it. ShoCkeyy, thanks for answering too. For the record, my "case" on raynpelikoneet was pretty weak, and I don't think it's worth revisiting. Just to make sure, you are saying Hapahauli is town and BloodyC0bbler and Chezinu are null? Or the reverse? You're correct with the first assumption. | ||
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