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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 21:33 GMT
#381
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.

Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 21:38 GMT
#382
On April 05 2020 14:40 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 13:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:25 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 09:31 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 09:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 08:35 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 05:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy feels weird.


I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...

On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.


I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.

Anything game related?


I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.

On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.

That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.


I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?

And out of curiosity, did you confirm?


I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?


Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior?
Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that.

That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment?


It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least.
I appreciate you answering, thank you.

Do you have any players you are suspicious of at this point? And if not, what do you think of my "case" on raynpelikoneet?


Time to answer, just think of the opposite players here:

On April 07 2020 01:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 01:18 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2020 01:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?

To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.

Anyways back to reading.


Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts.
You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.


Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?

My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.


Who are your top towns?


raynpelikoneet
Chezinu
BloodyC0bbler
Trfel


Include Hap and exclude chez/bloody. The rest is null, I don't have a slight clue yet to who is mafia is until night kill or D2 posts. As for your rayn stuff, I think it was generic casing since it was the start of the game, but definitely something to look at for D2.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 06 2020 21:46 GMT
#383
Trfel and Shockey

Please give me your thoughts on my BC case on the bottom of Page 19. Where is it strong, where is it weak, and is it overall compelling enough to move BC as #1 on the scum list.

This hasn't been too active of a game, so the town steamroller should start tonight.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 06 2020 21:47 GMT
#384
On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote:
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.

Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?


Because if you look near end of day. People were on the Kill hap / Kill jock. Id say in the game only 1-2 people considered both possible to be scum. If you are double busing and given the game state, the survivor will almost always be seen as "town" for at least a few days of play. Look at how hes playing now. Why do you go full on asshole unhelpful, to brag, to suddenly huge spur of activity with "reads" to how you have the game figured out. Hap may be rusty, but he has played back in the day. Mafia full on busing people was a staple. Dumb play or not, shit like that happens.
In terms of him saying he wont do it, possibly, but then why say it? It makes 0 sense to ever say it as town, only makes sense as mafia. Stupid or not, people make mistakes.

Hell I will admit I probably am tunneled on Hap. But his entire play screams the same bullshit that Artanis pulled last year. Slow ride out in thread, gets called out (by me) and suddenly he appears in thread and spends a ton of it screaming "BC is scum, BC is scum" making tons of analysis posts misconstruing my play, etc..

Fully admit I could be tunneling, however I cant wrap my head around how hes behaving and thus hes on my lynch list. Could I be wrong, sure. I don't think I am though.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 06 2020 21:48 GMT
#385
On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote:
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.

Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?


BC is just trying to bullshit his way into a case.

Just be aware that he is an experienced enough player to tell you what you want to hear. That is why he dodged suspicion on Day 1 from most of the playerbase.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 21:50 GMT
#386
I like those Hapahauli posts, the reasoning makes sense, and the results are the same as what I was thinking.

I do want to check on Jockmcplop's read on BloodyC0bbler, where he said it checks out and keeps him at town lean. Does it really check out? Note to self.

Also BloodyC0bbler's read on ShoCkeyy. Hapahauli made some really good points on this, where BloodyC0bbler said he read ShoCkeyy as town partially because some of his scumreads were reading ShoCkeyy as mafia. But that's actually not true at all. This point was kinda forgotten but I think it's worth bringing back up.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 06 2020 21:54 GMT
#387
On April 07 2020 06:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote:
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.

Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?


BC is just trying to bullshit his way into a case.

Just be aware that he is an experienced enough player to tell you what you want to hear. That is why he dodged suspicion on Day 1 from most of the playerbase.


Going to just say this to the bolded post. You have played a lot of games. A bunch with me. Every game I have played after i was viewed as "experienced', I have been viewed as scum day 1. There is always 1 person, if not multiple, who view me negatively. You can say I dodged suspicion. I didn't. You called me out, Vivax pushed me at points, etc... I may not have been a lynch target for day 1 but you quite honestly just lied right there.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 21:55 GMT
#388
BloodyC0bbler, thanks for answering. I'll take some time and think about it.

ShoCkeyy, thanks for answering too. For the record, my "case" on raynpelikoneet was pretty weak, and I don't think it's worth revisiting. Just to make sure, you are saying Hapahauli is town and BloodyC0bbler and Chezinu are null? Or the reverse?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 06 2020 21:56 GMT
#389
Also in regards to my previous post, and the bolded selection. Hap is just as good at telling people what you want to hear and getting his own way. He is as if not more experienced than myself at this point.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 06 2020 22:02 GMT
#390
Also like to say, when one of the cornerstone pieces of an analysis against me if that I didn't vote for jock even though I said he was mafia. I still believed Hap the most likely to flip scum. I still believe he will. However when someone uses that as a reason to try and frame an argument for my alignment. Toss in his other reason is that he doesn't like how I had someone as a leaning town read. His entire case is BS and is clearly reaching at straws. However. I am not going to clutter up the thread arguing with him / anyone really as I see no reason to bury this game in angry rants.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 06 2020 22:07 GMT
#391
Tomorrow, there will be 6 players alive. There is a high chance that Rayn is too tunneled to vote anyone but me, and BC will obviously vote me for his nefarious purposes.

To be clear, my plan tomorrow is to vote for myself, and not to move my vote unless everyone else consolidates on BC. If everyone does not consolidate on BC, the Plurality mechanic will lead to my unstoppable lynch.

Tomorrow is between BC and myself. No one else.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 06 2020 22:08 GMT
#392
BC, off topic (and out of my steamroller persona), but have we actually played a game before? I don't remember any.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 06 2020 22:18 GMT
#393
Shockey, where are you? I know you're around.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 22:30 GMT
#394
Working and reading the thread from start to beginning. I left off on a Vivax post that made me look more into rayn and jock posts.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 06 2020 22:36 GMT
#395
I understand that you're re-reading the thread, there's a fair amount of new and present content to go on. What do you make of Rayn and BC?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 06 2020 22:38 GMT
#396
On April 07 2020 07:08 Hapahauli wrote:
BC, off topic (and out of my steamroller persona), but have we actually played a game before? I don't remember any.


at least 1. Maybe more than that?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 22:38 GMT
#397
On April 07 2020 07:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Working and reading the thread from start to beginning. I left off on a Vivax post that made me look more into rayn and jock posts.


I want to also follow up with your BC case, but I need to read it into context.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 22:49 GMT
#398
On April 07 2020 07:36 Hapahauli wrote:
I understand that you're re-reading the thread, there's a fair amount of new and present content to go on. What do you make of Rayn and BC?


I don't think Rayn is mafia, he's a head strong player when he's town, and I can see it in him. Jock though first went for trfel, then rayn, then me, then you. BC on the other hand is interesting. He voted for you first. That's my biggest scum tell this game. BC/Jock does seem like a possible team when Jock leaned on you last.

The only other conclusion I can come up with is that, Jock knew he scum slipped and told Chez to vote him instantly to keep Chez safe. Very tinfoiling but this is mafia, you never fucking know anymore...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 22:54 GMT
#399
On April 07 2020 01:15 Vivax wrote:
If we murder Shockeyy here even if he's town it's one less vote for mafia in the long run.


This post also made me feel bad. I guess I am lynch bait after almost voting Hap off.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 22:56 GMT
#400
On April 07 2020 06:55 Trfel wrote:
BloodyC0bbler, thanks for answering. I'll take some time and think about it.

ShoCkeyy, thanks for answering too. For the record, my "case" on raynpelikoneet was pretty weak, and I don't think it's worth revisiting. Just to make sure, you are saying Hapahauli is town and BloodyC0bbler and Chezinu are null? Or the reverse?


You're correct with the first assumption.
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