In the depths of the Saara Desert lies the Headquarters of the Holy Guardians, a secret cult with supernatural powers. Its purpose is to keep the Scarlet Menace from bringing terror to mankind. The Scarlet Menace are vengeful spirits who travels throughout the spirit realm searching for humans to possess. Each time they kill a human, his enraged spirit becomes part of the Scarlet Menace and starts to haunt humankind with his new brothers. Their objective is to grow in number until they can live freely in the material world with the remaining humans enslaved. Secretly converting human spirits, either by night rituals or by turning innocent people lynched unfairly into vengeful souls, is their way of not going extinct. Leaving the Scarlet Menace out of control is condemning mankind to extinction. They were first identified by The Sentinel, a now cyborg entity who lives in the deepest level of the Citadel, connected by cables and machines that keep him alive for centuries and link him to all parts of the world. The Sentinel is able to detect the presence of these spirits around the globe. Incapable of moving, he sends one of the Apostholes to get rid of them. The Apostholes are figures with supernatural powers. Although not usually able to individually detect the possessed ones, they are able to establish a radius of where the spirits are located to build the Birdcage. Just one Aposthole is sent so no suspicions are raised when they arrive at the places they are designated to. The Apostholes are rare creatures with incredible powers that the Holy Guardians cannot afford to lose, although they have theCitadel Academy constantly training other students. So, it is also safer to send just one and believe in his abilities than risking losing more than one Aposthole in case of a mission failure. The Birdcage is an energetic field created by The Sentinel's technology, which is able to separate the soul from the body of people who touches it. Its form resembles the cylindrical appearance of a common birdcage. Once activated, the Aposthole confines a group of people inside of it. If the Aposthole dies, the Birdcage will last for three whole months. People inside it will be doomed if not able to find food and water inside its radius, and all they can do is finding the Scarlet Menace and prevent them from growing in numbers until no living body is possessed. The activation of The Birdcage also creates a hologram of The Sentinel. Its voice will echo throughout the whole area with the following message:
"Souls are corrupted and must be freed. It is up to you to decide who are the possessed ones and to eliminate their body in order to put an end to their agony. Humankind future existence lies on your shoulders." And so the game begins.
Generic Mafia Rules This game follows the standard TL Mafia rules and follows the banlist. These game specific rules overrides the standard ones, in case of conflict.
A. You have to post at least once per cycle (Day and Night). If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled on the next Night post.
B. You will be instantly modkilled if you fail to vote.
C. Replacements happens until the first 12 hours of Day 2.
D. Flips from modkills happens only at Night Posts.
E. Activity is desirable, but not overdoing it. In case you overdo it, a host may PM you limiting your posting in the following fashion:
N = 6. H
Where H is the number of full hours until the end of the ongoing daytime, and N is the number of posts you may use.
F. Treat other players well. I can understand engaging in a heated discussion, but I will not tolerate insulting other player with pure intention of offending. I will modkill you if you go over the limits I consider tolerable myself. If you're afraid of not knowing what tolerable is in my opinion, just refrain from cussing and using ad hominem arguments, and you'll be safe.
G. I reserve the right of not letting a player signing in this game in case I think he is toxic.
This Game's Rules 9 Players Mini Deadline at 17:00 GMT (+00:00) Day Cycle 48 hours/Night Cycle 24 hours Plurality Lynch Separate Voting Thread Smurfs allowed. Hydras not allowed. Do not engage Hosts in thread. Send any questions or other concerns via PM.[/
9 Players Game Open Setup: 9 players, ALL VANILLA, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Vanilla Town. Mafia Team always consists of 2 Mafia Goons . Town Team always consists of 7 vanillas. All players will receive a name, which is part of the plot, but does not have any claim purposes. There are no clues in host posts.
The grandmother. Francesca Ricci was studying Law when she met Mario, her husband. They fell in love and she decided to stop trying so hard to be a lawyer, because, well, there are already lot of them. She joined her loved one in his restaurant, “La Premiata”, and thank god she did, because her pastries are the reason the restaurant got its first Michelin star. Mother of Rafaello, Antonio and Lucca, three boys, and grandfather to Lucca Gallo Ricci and Andrezza Gallo Ricci. You never really liked Michela Gallo Ricci, their mother, and married to your son Lucca.
The grandfather. Mario Ricci worked hard most of his life, building a restaurant in Milan called “La Premiata”. His business kept getting bigger and bigger, until he could finally retire and let the family take care of the business. Married to Francesca since he was 22, they lived a long and prosperous life together. He is the father of Rafaello, Antonio and Lucca, three boys, and grandfather to Lucca Gallo Ricci and Andrezza Gallo Ricci. Your greatest disappointment is Antonio, your son, a slob who has no job and stays home every day.
Rafaello is the youngest of the three sons of Mario and Francesca. Since he was young, he wanted to become a lawyer. He wanted to work with human rights and help people. But somehow, in his way, he gave up on this dream and decided to work with civil law. He now manages the legal part of “La Premiata”, the family restaurant. He is married with Fiona Marino Ricci, but have no kids. Mostly because Fiona lost a boy due to natural abortion, and they never recovered from the loss.
Fiona Marino Ricci is married to Rafaello. They met at college and both became great lawyers. They live by managing the legal part of the family restaurant “La Premiata”, but Fiona also is very engaged with pro bono jobs and became a teacher at her university. She doesn’t like Andrezza Gallo Ricci, who she thinks is a snob from a big family.
Antonio Ricci, the slob. 40 years and still living with parents, but no job at all. All he does is wake up, turn on his videogame and play until it is dark. But he is always ready to help the family if they need it. Mario is not feeling well? He will make a tea and call the doctor. Francesca is sad? He will talk to her until she feels well. Unfortunately, his unsuccessful life makes the other family members minimize all his efforts, making him less eager to get his life together. Snowballing, it is.
The youngest of the brothers, and the most handsome, too. Got Michela Gallo Ricci pregnant when they were 17. They were in love. At least Lucca was. The pregnancy led to a marriage. The marriage led to living together. The responsibilities of taking care of a child led to the need of having a job. The need of having a job made him a chef in the family restaurant. They now both work there, and although still living with parents, they have a happy life. They now have two kids, Lucca Gallo Ricci, 19 and Andrezza Gallo Ricci, 16.
Michela Gallo Ricci is married to Lucca Ricci. She is from a rich family, the Gallo’s, that own a farm that produces one of the finest olive oils of the world. She got pregnant from Lucca when she was 17, although she wasn’t sure if she was in love at that time. But, well, a kid will lead to a marriage. And the marriage led to love. Sometimes, love comes after. That’s what happened here. She now works with him at the restaurant, and takes care of the children at home. But, well, her family is always with her, and her snob friends sometimes are a bit of a pain in the ass to the rest of the family. At least they don’t have to spend much with olive oil, right?
Lucca Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallo Ricci! My god, this one is hyperactive! 19 years old, son of Lucca Ricci and Michela Gallo Ricci, he wants to work with cinema! Being an actor! Or maybe a stunt man! Maybe both! But GOD this quarantine is taking its toll. He already told his grandparents Mario and Francesa: “I NEED TO WORK OUT!”. And he does. He likes to swim, to do some sparring, he even got into crossfit at some point. But boy, don’t lock him at home like this. So noisy. The family can’t take anymore.
Andrezza is 16, Lucca Gallo Ricci is her brother, Lucca Ricci and Michela, parents, and Mario and Francesca, grandparents. She feels a little bit detached because she doesn’t really like their routine, nor their company. She prefer the books she is reading. Yeah, the books are fine. “Crime and Punishment” is a great read. If her brother could just shut up for once. Then she could read the Divine Comedy as soon as possible.
All 9 players will receive a Citizen name so claiming names are not used in order to figure out alignments
Alright, this is it. 9 Players, ALL VANILLA, 2 Mafia, 7 Townies.
What do you guys think?
As you can see, I want to keep going with the story. I will work forward. But I can also works backwards, explaining what happened in the last 5 years, etc. But this takes time (a lot) and I want to know if anyone is really interested in reading.
I'll keep editing the posts at night.
EDIT: Please let me know if the story sparkled interest. I may start writing a wattpad novel based on this, and chapters will be defined by the players choices in the game.
Well you sent the confirmation pm's like 30 minutes ago, you can't really expect everyone to be online for the last hour before the game is scheduled to start lol.. I still don't really get the idea of confirmation pm's anyways. If you join a game you should be checking the thread daily anyways (unless the game is scheduled to start at exact date no matter what). If that's too much to ask then why play at all?
The situation created at the Iguazu Falls, near Argentina, couldn’t be more catastrophic. The Aposthole Samuel Mendes, who had tremendous power, was voted to be killed at the end of the first day. Communications were lost after the second night, and the Birdcage turned off after three months, suggesting that the innocent lives failed to identify all the Scarlet Menance’s threat, succumbing to them. Five years have passed. During this time, the Scarlet Menace grew stronger, especially in South America. Although The Sentinel kept sending more and more Apostholes throughout the world, the Scarlet Menace showed they are a power not to be underestimated. Once 100 Apostholes, the Citadel could only now count with 12. And they are alive because they don’t are sent to the entire world, spreading the resistance. No. They are the original Apostholes, kept inside the Citadel to train others. For some reason, the souls of the dead ones are not returning to the Citadel, in other to be re-integrated to another body. The Sentinel needs more Apostholes to handle the situation in South America, or the Scarlet Menace will take over and keeping mankind alive will become impossible. Information retrieved showed that the Scarlet Menace members called each other accordingly to their military category. Debilitas are the ones who have power of paralyzing spirits at night. Mendacium, the ones that could surpass Fabricio Prata’s ability to concentrate and see the malicious intention of the soul, and Vis were the new members, vengeful spirits, which the biggest power was to seek revenge at all cost. Those are all old Latin language words, suggesting that the Scarlet Menace beginning is related to the Ancient Rome. Maybe Italy could help with further investigations to understand the enemy better. The Covid-19 outbreak made easier for the Scarlet Menace to convert souls without being detected in big agglomerations. The quarantine also, in a unwanted way, helped the Holy Guardians with not needing to use the [dblue]Birdcage[dblue] to confine people inside the same space. These are the reasons why The Sentinel, using his powers, appeared on the screen of the television of a family of 9 people in Milan, Italy. He felt that a strong soul was living inside that place that could possibly became the new The Sentinel. Unfortunately, the Scarlet Menace felt the same, and already corrupted two persons. The Sentinel cannot wait any longer. The TV turned on by itself, and a cyborg figure appeared on the screen:
"Souls are corrupted and must be freed. It is up to you to decide who are the possessed ones and to eliminate their body in order to put an end to their agony. Humankind future existence lies on your shoulders."
Game has started, the deadline for the day is Monday, Apr 06 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
On April 05 2020 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not really? Aren't the scum just in possession of the bodies of former people and therefore not "part of the family"?
Hm, I suppose that's fair. You are obviously far more versed in the flavor than I am :/
How are things up in Finland, with coronavirus and all? I imagine all the public saunas are closed?
Idk about public saunas, in our block (for the tenants) not, in fact we are going in 30 mins. We have around 25 infected people in our municipality, no deaths, so so far good. Helsinki is the hot spot pretty much here and it's "borders" are "closed" unless for good reason like family or work.
To be honest i didn't read the flavor at all until you wrote about the family lol.
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I dub thee mr. nice guy. There's a good cure for that, try being a shrink for people or generally going a lot out of your way to help them, few years max and you will have no choice but to become more selfish.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.
Holy Italy is it you my love? :D
Of course my Dear. You filled me with a kid then made me fall in love with you because of the farm. Its not stockholm, its the real deal.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.
Holy Italy is it you my love? :D
Of course my Dear. You filled me with a kid then made me fall in love with you because of the farm. Its not stockholm, its the real deal.
I should have known it of course. You cannot be possessed with those dark souls, no dark sould would crash my head against a pan repeatedly like you. That being said i am gonna have some dinner snacks and watch a movie with my other missus so i will be back in an hour or two.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I dub thee mr. nice guy. There's a good cure for that, try being a shrink for people or generally going a lot out of your way to help them, few years max and you will have no choice but to become more selfish.
You mean, because I agreed with raynpelikoneet? Or what?
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I dub thee mr. nice guy. There's a good cure for that, try being a shrink for people or generally going a lot out of your way to help them, few years max and you will have no choice but to become more selfish.
You mean, because I agreed with raynpelikoneet? Or what?
I would say its cause you said isolation was worse for others so it wasnt that bad
I was rather referring to Trfel seeming to be such a placid, empathetic person that I assumed he hasn't seen much of the prevailing selfishness that I experienced.
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.
heyaaa fellow Ricci. Nice to see you back in the family.
On April 05 2020 04:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Side note. Really like the detail you are putting into this GlowingBear.
Now, who my kid. (please be Chez)
Hey dad,
Sorry, I've been away working out. I told grandpa and grandma about this. Grandpa told me to tell you that I need more protein and said to make use of the olive oil and cook me a steak .
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
On April 05 2020 04:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Side note. Really like the detail you are putting into this GlowingBear.
Now, who my kid. (please be Chez)
Hey dad,
Sorry, I've been away working out. I told grandpa and grandma about this. Grandpa told me to tell you that I need more protein and said to make use of the olive oil and cook me a steak .
PFFFFFFFFF you better be paying me child. You may be an aspiring actor, but aspiring doesnt put food on the table or money in the bank. Fuck you also know business is terrible, with a quarantine and all.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...
On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?
And out of curiosity, did you confirm?
I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
On April 05 2020 04:49 Hapahauli wrote: Hi peeplz.
Of course I get the lawyer flavor...
On April 05 2020 02:12 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
Don't we all have to belong to the family?
And I don't feel sorry for myself because I don't plan on dying
Why do you not plan on dying?
Out of curiosity, why did you ask this? Did you expect me to say "I'm just here to survive because I am mafia" or what?
I found the wording strange. "I don't plan on dying" vs. "I don't expect to die." I mainly ask questions to see the manner in which they respond, as opposed to the answers.
On a scale from 1 (adorable) to 10 (mafioso), where is Shockey's opening posts?
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...
On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?
And out of curiosity, did you confirm?
I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?
On April 05 2020 04:49 Hapahauli wrote: Hi peeplz.
Of course I get the lawyer flavor...
On April 05 2020 02:12 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
Don't we all have to belong to the family?
And I don't feel sorry for myself because I don't plan on dying
Why do you not plan on dying?
Out of curiosity, why did you ask this? Did you expect me to say "I'm just here to survive because I am mafia" or what?
I found the wording strange. "I don't plan on dying" vs. "I don't expect to die." I mainly ask questions to see the manner in which they respond, as opposed to the answers.
On a scale from 1 (adorable) to 10 (mafioso), where is Shockey's opening posts?
I like to think that my getting lynched is in my control. Therefore, if I don't plan on getting lynched, it won't happen.
Does adorable count as town? Because if I'm being honest, I'd put ShoCkeyy's posts at exactly null. But I'd give an extra point or two for being adorable!
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...
On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?
And out of curiosity, did you confirm?
I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?
Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior?
On April 05 2020 09:39 Hapahauli wrote: ShoCkeyy, what's your experience playing forum mafia?
I’ve been around since I think mafia game #17. Bloody was hosting games back then, and we had like 20+ users each game. Was a great time for TL forum Mafia.
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
is raynpelikoneet's only post with actual mafia gameplay. Frivolous posts at this stage in the game are understandable, however even after this raynpelikoneet continues to talk about flavor. He didn't explain why ShoCkeyy's post felt weird to him, or try to ask ShoCkeyy any followup questions.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.
Holy Italy is it you my love? :D
Of course my Dear. You filled me with a kid then made me fall in love with you because of the farm. Its not stockholm, its the real deal.
I should have known it of course. You cannot be possessed with those dark souls, no dark sould would crash my head against a pan repeatedly like you. That being said i am gonna have some dinner snacks and watch a movie with my other missus so i will be back in an hour or two.
Clearly, raynpellikoneet lied here. This is in dramatic contrast with the boredom and interest in playing the game he was trying to show earlier on.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...
On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?
And out of curiosity, did you confirm?
I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?
Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior?
Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that.
That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment?
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
is raynpelikoneet's only post with actual mafia gameplay. Frivolous posts at this stage in the game are understandable, however even after this raynpelikoneet continues to talk about flavor. He didn't explain why ShoCkeyy's post felt weird to him, or try to ask ShoCkeyy any followup questions.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.
Holy Italy is it you my love? :D
Of course my Dear. You filled me with a kid then made me fall in love with you because of the farm. Its not stockholm, its the real deal.
I should have known it of course. You cannot be possessed with those dark souls, no dark sould would crash my head against a pan repeatedly like you. That being said i am gonna have some dinner snacks and watch a movie with my other missus so i will be back in an hour or two.
Clearly, raynpellikoneet lied here. This is in dramatic contrast with the boredom and interest in playing the game he was trying to show earlier on.
Have fun!
You are probably town for this. I also think you are right on rayn but not for those reasons.,
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
To others, does Jockmcplop's wording here seem strange? It seems to me like he's actually giving town reasoning to me while calling it suspicious.
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
To others, does Jockmcplop's wording here seem strange? It seems to me like he's actually giving town reasoning to me while calling it suspicious.
Honestly with how little has been posted, mixed with you not being up for lynch as of yet, you come off as way too defensive.
Husband Rayn has done a few things that are off this is true. But you feel "off" as well.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...
On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?
And out of curiosity, did you confirm?
I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?
Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior?
Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that.
That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment?
It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least.
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
You're greatly misrepresenting my play.
I'm not being over defensive. I'm hardly defensive at all. I don't really care what other people's reads on me are, I do care why those are their reads.
Generally when someone says they dislike a post, it means they are more suspicious of that person. Otherwise why would you say that? That's a fair assumption to make. But regardless, I didn't ask Vivax about his town read on me, I don't particularly care about that. I was trying to ask Vivax why he was suspicious of raynpelikoneet. I apologize for not being more clear on that point.
Furthermore, how do you conclude that those two things were the most important things in the thread to me? It's true those were the two things I brought up at that time, however I questioned and investigated several other things before that point. Those were the two things I found interesting between posts #83 and #93, but given that those are only nine posts, I find that quite reasonable.
Please help me understand where you are coming from because right now I'm not seeing it.
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
havent played with him in ages tbh.
my memory from the ol days aint what it used to be. I want more from him atm but thats about it.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...
On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?
And out of curiosity, did you confirm?
I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?
Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior?
Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that.
That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment?
It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least.
I appreciate you answering, thank you.
Do you have any players you are suspicious of at this point? And if not, what do you think of my "case" on raynpelikoneet?
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
I think I did a great job. Hopefully Cobbler does too, glad to see him play after so many years.
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
havent played with him in ages tbh.
my memory from the ol days aint what it used to be. I want more from him atm but thats about it.
On April 05 2020 14:34 Trfel wrote: You're greatly misrepresenting my play.
I'm not being over defensive. I'm hardly defensive at all. I don't really care what other people's reads on me are, I do care why those are their reads.
I'm not trying to misrepresent you. I'm explaining how I see your entrance. The reason I originally brought this up was that I don't see how rayn seeming to imply that you are scum, then imply that you are town is alignment indicative for rayn. The fact that you think this makes rayn suspicious seems like the wrong reaction to someone's implying that they might have a read on you. Maybe defensive is the wrong word. Its like you feel like you need to react to someone mentioning you or implying that they have a thought about you.
On April 05 2020 14:34 Trfel wrote: Generally when someone says they dislike a post, it means they are more suspicious of that person. Otherwise why would you say that? That's a fair assumption to make.
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
that I was questioning how you turned rayn's implication of a possible read on you into an alignment thing for rayn. That is a logic issue, not an alignment issue. When you then immediately jumped on my wording I started thinking about your alignment and motivation.
But regardless, I didn't ask Vivax about his town read on me, I don't particularly care about that. I was trying to ask Vivax why he was suspicious of raynpelikoneet. I apologize for not being more clear on that point.
Ah ok i thought you were asking Vivax about his town read on you.
Just out of curiosity why don't you care about Vivax's townreading you?
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
I think I did a great job. Hopefully Cobbler does too, glad to see him play after so many years.
lol
As long as you're happy with it I suppose that's the most important thing
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already?
On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already?
Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already?
Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.
Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?Side note, I really want to be suspicious of Jockmcplop, his wording and logic just feel so off, but I can't put my finger on it or articulate why So I'll let it drop. I reserve the right to be suspicious of him later though
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
Just curious why do you think Trfel is town here? Do you have anything on anybody else yourself?
It's funny you quote a post where I explain why and ask for the why. There is enough content in the game already to form opinions, but you don't have any reads and want more content.
I don't know if you're just that confused and lazy at reading or just mafia.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise.
I have just spent time trying to figure out what Shockeyys posting means and i don't really see that. Sure you can be right or then not, but i can't tell if he is mafia or not. I think cobbler is right on Hapa though, i thought about the same thing instantly when i saw Hapa's two first posts.
On April 05 2020 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like.... why is he mafia? I don't understand?
He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree.
Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think?
I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive.
On April 05 2020 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like.... why is he mafia? I don't understand?
He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree.
Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think?
I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive.
Jock is one of my top town rn. I had the same kind of thought first when i read his response to Trfel's case, i mean like he just picked a case that is wrong and tried to make it look like it's scummy instead of just wrong. (Further explanation; his defense is completely right i just didn't understand why he felt the need to do that in the first place) The post later on though, where he agrees that's reasonable to Trfel to read my posts in that way kinda buried that thought for me as it looked like Jock is really trying to understand Trfel instead of just trying to call him mafia and appealing to me.
I am also going to heavily disagree on you assessment of Hapa, Vivax. Hapa is a player that tends to say what he thinks instead of asking almost or completely meaningless questions. The next thing isn't meta, it's just to show what i mean:
The last game Hapa played here where he was town, his first posts when he arrived to the thread: + Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2017 00:14 darthfoley wrote: I still want Boson to explain why he's trying to make people choose into his determined lynch options 6 hours into the game
If you think Boson is town, why do you give a shit?
DF post string is pretty scummy. Too much indecisive shade throwing and too much trust in Chez over one super non-alignment indicative post.
#Vote Darthfoley
On November 21 2017 02:37 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote Darthfoley ##Vote Sanislav Petrov
Darthfoley was a test. Stanislav Petrov failed. Holyflare failed. Tumblewood gets a D-.
Stanislav Petrov is all-over-the-place, is throwing shade, and isn't pushing anything coherent. Shortly after giving a lynch list of...
On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote: Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately
Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association.
Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho!
If you can tell us your mafia buddies, I will be more than glad to just chill and get along.
Ignore the other person that called you retarded, he's just that mean. Cooperating with us is in your best interests.
Btw, let's not get too deep into these web of associations this early on.
Who would you choose as scum out of KelsierSC/Ruxxar/Damdred? One pick.
I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me. Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers
... he blind sheeps the darthfoley wagon without really ever pushing it. His next two posts are pushing the wagon without really contributing or attempting to figure out darthfoley:
On November 20 2017 14:46 Tumblewood wrote: @hf: why is the df wagon okay despite no one trying to stop it? your reasons seem to amount to "he looks scummy", which is fine i guess, but if it's just that he's scummy are you even considering how the wagon forms? like, what would it take to change your mind, or do you just not actually care?
You're trying to stop it right now. The 'nobody is trying to stop it so therefore the accused is innocent' argument sound good in theory but has rarely proved accurate in my experience. And that's without considering how disastrous it would be to let that become meta. The facts are darthfoley is the most suspicious person, so we should lynch him.
...and pushing two other players while having his vote on darthfoley.
On November 21 2017 02:20 Stanislav Petrov wrote: I intended to me more active but I've been having a fever with a killer headache so I've just done some casual reading and lurking. But I'll be here aswell untill the lynch aswell but as of now I don't see a reason to switch target.
Oat's have definitely been getting away with doing the bare minimum, spam, unserious accusations and asking non-important questions in a 2 page filter.
On Conversation. If he hadn't voted me I'd say he's done nothing but throw questions into the air and hope somebody else picked them up and pushed them for him which is scum play. But he did vote me but looking at that because it also feels ungenuine to me. He sheeped Kelsier for the case and didn't aggressively accuse me of being scum as much as he voted me as a parking vote to pressure me to come back and explain something fairly non-important. And has no other scumreads. I don't like that it feels like he's both pushing me superhard by singling me out as his only scumread and at the same time isn't pressuring me hard at all but just says come back and explain this and until you do I'll have an alibi for voting you.
He's being very decisive about what he is doing and how to do it. Pressuring people to play and getting reactions for it. Basically just "no bullshit only facts" type of play. Now this is how Hapa plays as town, every time i remember seeing him play it looks like this or somewhat similar. I even talked with him about this during that specific game and after and was laughing how can people ever scumread him in that game (he got lynched D2 and (if i remember correctly) almost at D1 while looking super townie).
This is how Hapa looks like when he plays as scum + Show Spoiler +
In post 16, outoforder wrote: Hey Rels, when you're around, let me know what you think of the MooginSoosy post.
Why aren't you asking me about it?
VOTE: outoforder
Because i don't feel like i need to ask you about it. From what i remember playing with you you will make your alignment clear to me before D1 ends even if i didn't prod you in any way. There is also a Rels-specific reason i am not willing to discuss yet.
But while you're at it, care to elaborate on this; This is what i believe to be a fact. You don't tend to participate in RVS / pressure vote shennies at D1 start, especailly towards a player you MUST know to not respond to being "pressured" by giving away his alignment as mafia. I mean like if i was scum i couldn't care less that there are people voting for me over absolutely nothing. You know that aswell so the only conclusions i can come to are that either (1) you actually think i am mafia, or (2) you are mafia.
So why do you think i am mafia? You really couldn't think i could possibly have - at this point of the game - a specific question to a specific player that i would not feel the need to ask you aswell, just because i have played with both of you before? In case there is option (3) aswell, feel free to tell me what that is.
I asked Rels a question, he contests the question because for some dumbass reason it should concern him too, asks me some stupid shit, and not only that he throws a seemingly RVS vote on me. Unfortunately i dropped him as a scumread after lol...
Now in this game i see a lot of similarities to that (to be honest in that game it continued even further, i am just too lazy to quote more). I see here that Hapa's entrance isn't going to take him anywhere, like i can't possibly understand what he is trying to do with what he posted EVEN IF he ACTUALLY thought Shockeyy is mafia and saw something there. In my opinion that is a massive red flag in addition to that fitting his mafia!MO rather than town one.
On April 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dear child of mine, this is you dad speaking! Change your clothes to something more appropriate right now! You are currently a disgust to the family.
What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you?
In short, if hapa thinks shockeyy is mafia why does he feel the need to ask trfel a dumb question like that? if he doesn't think shockeyy is mafia, what's the point of anything he has posted? There is a more efficient way of getting people to talk about your scumread, aka vote for them, and Hapa knows that 100% certain.
On April 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dear child of mine, this is you dad speaking! Change your clothes to something more appropriate right now! You are currently a disgust to the family.
What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you?
Use your imagination, especially when going on VIDEO.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
It's a dumb question. It answers itself just by me playing the game. Sorry if I didn't adress it signed, sealed and waxed to his majesty the bloodygobbler. Wtf dude?
On April 05 2020 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC i don't really think there is much chance of Vivax being mafia.
Its why I have him as a scum lean. Play I dislike / view as bad (not saying it is the wrong way to play just that i dont like it) makes me lower you down until you do something that stands out. I am merely waiting for it. He has been more active since my original read, but he still needs to give real content to the thread.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
That's not an unreasonable read to have. I personally am not sure if it makes Trfel mafia or not. Which is why i am asking him where he has gotten this narrative. I don't think you can just take a random statement on how people play and generally apply it to all people and Trfel should be good enough player to know that.
On April 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dear child of mine, this is you dad speaking! Change your clothes to something more appropriate right now! You are currently a disgust to the family.
What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you?
He cares not for attempted sororicide, only for choice of clothes.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
Oh ok I get it. I guess I just read his tone and eagerness as townish..
On April 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dear child of mine, this is you dad speaking! Change your clothes to something more appropriate right now! You are currently a disgust to the family.
What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you?
He cares not for attempted sororicide, only for choice of clothes.
The kids are pricks. Trying to mooch off our hard work while giving nothing back. We won't be able to work forever. They need to be able to provide for their aging parents.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?
What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.
On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Why does this apply to Trfel and not to me, since i kind of did the same thing with Hapa?
On April 05 2020 18:56 Vivax wrote: BC in this case seems to just take positions beforehand and then attach whatever reasoning he can muster to justify them, posthum. Also scummy af.
Nah, i take my positions and don't fully bother explaining my reasons until I believe I need/have to because it lets me get reactions to better filter my reads.
Also, care to post any reads? I mean there is more than enough content for you to have preliminary reads on most of us at this point.
I am not sure if you can see it BC but i can totally see where Vivax is coming from now that i actually investigated a bit further, despite my post earlier.
On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Why does this apply to Trfel and not to me, since i kind of did the same thing with Hapa?
You legitimately pulled out posts from other threads as why you have a meta read (or thats how I took it anyway) IE you brought out personal experience as to have the read you do.
By just saying "this is how people should play" and then them not doing that and saying they are scum is very different from "this is how x plays as town, this is how they play as scum and I see them acting more like their scum play"
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short.
But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear.
But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short.
But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear.
But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong.
Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change).
Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though.
On April 05 2020 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'd like to hear why you scumread me though? I am pretty sure the reason is something there is nothing i can do about but still.
If you're town don't get bothered too much by it. It's probably not a reason I can lynch you for anyway, and I'd like not to tell you how to play it better if you're mafia for now
I'll tell the reasoning a bit later, but first I'd like to see how you're going to keep playing the rest of the day.
And if you're mafia you need to tell me postgame if that scumslip early was fake or not lol.
On April 05 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: why did you originally vote for hapa?
Straight out RNG'd people who basically hadn't done anything yet.
My vote has stayed there because all 3 of his posts since the game started provide literally nothing substance. He also vanished quite quickly. I want to see more for him for sure, especially given the fact the thread is far larger now.
On April 05 2020 19:20 Vivax wrote: I'll tell the reasoning a bit later, but first I'd like to see how you're going to keep playing the rest of the day.
Well i can already tell you i will be voting for Hapa unless something drasiclly changes.
On April 05 2020 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well that's not true tbh.
How so.
First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me.
On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Lean scum Vivax
I am confused.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short.
But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear.
But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong.
Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change).
Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though.
Slither away from what? I'll slither away from any read if I stumble upon something that gives me a good reason to. Why would mafia slither more than others? Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you.
But I think I get it, you are still used to more committal type of games.
I think you misunderstand the problem though, mafia doesn't try to be flexible because townies are inflexible. Mafia tries to post like they are flexible because they are inflexible in approaching the game like a townie does.
On April 05 2020 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well that's not true tbh.
How so.
First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me.
On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Lean scum Vivax
I am confused.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short.
But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear.
But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong.
Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change).
Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though.
Slither away from what? I'll slither away from any read if I stumble upon something that gives me a good reason to. Why would mafia slither more than others? Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you.
But I think I get it, you are still used to more committal type of games.
I think you misunderstand the problem though, mafia doesn't try to be flexible because townies are inflexible. Mafia tries to post like they are flexible because they are inflexible in approaching the game like a townie does.
Why I say slither I mean it in a way that you don't have to explain yourself. Reads change all the time but by forcing people to state an opinion either way they have to give a reason why it changes.
You are right I like more committal type of games. I find them easier to win as town.
So this is what i think. Currently my town pool is the following people in no particular order. Vivax, BC, Jock.
I think Vivax is town for the amount of effort he is putting into the game. Sure you can argue what BC is arguing atm but i dont think that's a good metric for reading Vivax. He makes paranoid reads at times and doesn't explain things properly at times but that doesn't mean anything. I don't think Vivax would put this much effort into the game in a way that actually contributes to the game if he was mafia (like last game he was mafia in he was fucking more interested in talking stock prices than mafia....), i also don't think he would attack me like he has if he was mafia because if that's the case i can easily counter-argue the points purely by my activity (see what i said about his earlier) and he is likely to get lynched, even on D1. That's like... not a good play for him.
I like BC's case on Hapa. It's a very very good case, easily the best at this point of the game. I don't hate his Trfel read while i am not sure if it's right or wrong. I don't think Vivax is right on what he said about BC because yes BC, while it CAN look like you're doing what Vivax said, i don't think that's the case here. You randomly or "randomly" voted for hapa -> just to "add on to your "case"" later, you "had your eye" on Trfel -> just to scumread him later. You cannot completely dismiss the fact that for some person what you are doing can look like you're latching onto a scumread just to support it with reasoning later. May it be wrong but it's not necessarily scummy to point that out, especially for someone like Vivax. But well, my opinion is that BC is focusing on decent points, in a decent way, (aside from scumreading Vivax) and i think that most likely makes him town.
I already told why i am townreading Jock so anyone can read it from my post here. I disagree with Vivax on his assessment that the discussion he had with Trfel looks scummy, i know i felt the same way Vivax did before jock made the post in my link to my read on him. I just don't see why jock makes that post because if jock is mafia and trfel is town the narrative is to bury trfel for a (bad) case (like Vivax seems to think?), therefore letting go of it for some bullshit reason (like jock did) doesn't make any sense at all. In fact it should give more fuel to his case instead of making him reconsider, i think jock is good enough player as mafia to see that. The only small small bad feeling i have about that conversation from jock's side is that i have a nagging feeling the convo didnt necessarily end in a natural way. I know there is a chance of that since i have been playing mafia in a team with him and we created an argument between ourselves. I know, however, that there is a townie way to explain that too so i am not too bothered by that atm. I am just going to say that there is never a world where jock is mafia and trfel is town.
Those are my townreads atm. One of the reasons i am writing this post is because i feel like the "town circle" i have atm is arguing with each other for meaningless things rather than what matters and that's how you usually lose a game. So: - Vivax, let go of everything on BC atm and just see what he posted about hapa. Why don't you agree with that) Is it just because you think BC (or me) might be mafia? Can you look at the things posted on hapa objectively and not let your "what if" feelings disturb it? - BC, can you read Vivax' posts and at least try to understand where he is coming from? I think his assessment of your play is reasonable for a townie, right or wrong, and i think he has posted reads which is something you are complaining about rn. Just because they are not laid out clearly in the first place doesn't mean he doesn't have them, because that's what people do, i know because i do that a shitton myself just to see if people are actually paying attention to what they read or not. He has given his reads now, can you go and look if those reads make sense in comparison to what he has said in thread and reassess your position on him?
I dont know what to think of Shockeyy and Trfel. I see the points for shockeyy being mafia, i just need more info to make a decision because i dont see anything damning in them and it is still early. I see the points for and against Trfel, but as i said i don't know what it makes him, as again, it's still early.
Rels hasn't posted so nothing to say there.
I think hapa is mafia for what's been said. That's pretty much it.
I also think there is a quite high chance Chezinu is the other mafia, the reasoning is kinda stupid and i wish he figures out what i mean Also that's something i need to look more into when he posts more. I'd like to hear though why he is voting for Jock.
On April 05 2020 19:28 Vivax wrote: Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you.
I never scumslip dude... never. How dumb you think i am lol? You think i genuinely appealed to you and Trfel as mafia when all the talk we had in the thread was about corona virus basically? Jesus Vivax...
On April 05 2020 19:28 Vivax wrote: Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you.
I never scumslip dude... never. How dumb you think i am lol? You think i genuinely appealed to you and Trfel as mafia when all the talk we had in the thread was about corona virus basically? Jesus Vivax...
Yeah it looked like you were townreading both of us on P1. But it's not something I'm gonna harp on anyway, brought it up because you 'slithered' away from a potential scumslip and it was an example for something BC says he pays attention to.
I am just gonna say Vivax, if you think i would ever as mafia townread someone for absolutely nothing (i have weird reasons - for other people - to townread people at times as either alignment, but for nothing is not one of them), i dont think you know me that well. This is not even saying i can't be mafia it's just saying that reasoning of yours is absolutely idiotic.
On April 05 2020 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just gonna say Vivax, if you think i would ever as mafia townread someone for absolutely nothing (i have weird reasons - for other people - to townread people at times as either alignment, but for nothing is not one of them), i dont think you know me that well. This is not even saying i can't be mafia it's just saying that reasoning of yours is absolutely idiotic.
But it wasn't an explicit townread, you just said there were only townies in the thread.
As for the other stuff, not convinced of Hapa, there's just too little in his filter to be able to jump to a conclusion. Needs to post more, until then null. And if you think his filter is alignment indicative already you are bad or mafia imo.
As for Jock, he really didn't do much besides sort of tunneling Trfel. There's this which could be regarded as looking at something else besides Trfel but it's just a whole bunch of nothing and also looks bad.
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
It's like he thinks Shockey should look scummy but is afraid to say he thinks he does.
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
On April 05 2020 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think you have explained Trfel though, at least i have a hard time knowing where you stand on him and why.
You're right for some reason I thought I already posted about this.
I question his motivations and his tone bothers me. I don't really have a case on him or anything its more that his tone seems strange, like.... diplomatic or politiciany. It felt like he was trying to disarm me with friendliness. He certainly hasn't said anything that would make me townread him and I find myself questioning his motives, as you saw before. He's at the bottom of my lynchpile because he seems to have some logic behind his reads that *could* be townie, and stayed calm when I pressured him.
On balance, though, I think if there's a 4 person lynchpile he belongs in it.
What is that logic you're talking about and why wouldn't a guy who is mafia stay calm in Trfele's case? I mean like do you have something to support your assumption that Trfel would freak out for what you said to him if he is mafia or?
[QUOTE]On April 05 2020 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is that logic you're talking about [quote] The post I bolded earlier in the thread and you mentioned it. I stick by that. It just looks like the kind of logic town would use in deciding early reads. Its not enough to counter the bad feeling i get about him though.
[quote]and why wouldn't a guy who is mafia stay calm in Trfele's case? I mean like do you have something to support your assumption that Trfel would freak out for what you said to him if he is mafia or?[/QUOTE]
I didn't assume trfel would freak out. Some mafia freeze up or change tone slightly in response to pressure and he didn't.
On April 05 2020 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is that logic you're talking about
The post I bolded earlier in the thread and you mentioned it. I stick by that. It just looks like the kind of logic town would use in deciding early reads. Its not enough to counter the bad feeling i get about him though.
and why wouldn't a guy who is mafia stay calm in Trfele's case? I mean like do you have something to support your assumption that Trfel would freak out for what you said to him if he is mafia or?
I didn't assume trfel would freak out. Some mafia freeze up or change tone slightly in response to pressure and he didn't.
On April 05 2020 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: the thing is the logic is completely wrong.
OK. I agreed with it at the time and it seemed like a genuine bit of logic town would use to try and work things out. I don't want to ignore it just because you disagree with the premise.
I mentioned it btw because while it is incredibly wrong i think you wouldn't not take advantage of that if you were mafia (and if he was town). It is still incredibly wrong and i am not sure how your answer (and read on him) clears up the confusion about that because you should be re-evaluating shit when people tell you something is fundamentally wrong.
On April 05 2020 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mentioned it btw because while it is incredibly wrong i think you wouldn't not take advantage of that if you were mafia (and if he was town). It is still incredibly wrong and i am not sure how your answer (and read on him) clears up the confusion about that because you should be re-evaluating shit when people tell you something is fundamentally wrong.
I am re-evaluating though. I re-evaluated and came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be smart for mafia to make a post like that. He has to stick to that logic later in the game, so we can file it under 'useful' for later, unless you want to lynch him now, and we can agree to disagree about whether the accuracy of the statement means we can't give him townpoints for posting it.
On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him?
I'm not saying that.
That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.
My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him?
I'm not saying that.
That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.
My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote ##vote: shockeyy
I gotta nap on it, but it looks like a thing to lynch for sure.
On April 05 2020 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think you have explained Trfel though, at least i have a hard time knowing where you stand on him and why.
You're right for some reason I thought I already posted about this.
I question his motivations and his tone bothers me. I don't really have a case on him or anything its more that his tone seems strange, like.... diplomatic or politiciany. It felt like he was trying to disarm me with friendliness. He certainly hasn't said anything that would make me townread him and I find myself questioning his motives, as you saw before. He's at the bottom of my lynchpile because he seems to have some logic behind his reads that *could* be townie, and stayed calm when I pressured him.
On balance, though, I think if there's a 4 person lynchpile he belongs in it.
That guilty feeling when you pick a baby seal to club.
On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing.
I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not.
I mean like if you are town and genuinely think Hapahauli is mafia then i see literally no reason for you to vote otherwise based on what you have said.
On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing.
I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not.
That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to.
It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them.
I think i need to clarify my stance here. I completely understand that there are other reasons (even "good ones") to vote for someone other than to lynch. I just don't see how it applies to your situation here at all Jock.
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
The whole tone and direction of this post is inconsistent with a town mentality. Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you." Jock here is taking a very deliberately argumentative tone in accusing Trefel. "I think you are mafia so I will argue with you."
In addition, I dislike his "read-dump" post:
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
A lot of text but very little substance. He gives stances on players, then in the same breath, undermines his stances.
On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you."
Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game?
My posts have fundamentally different motivations than Jockey.
For one, I don't consider Shockey or Trefel scum-reads. I consider them lynchbait. There's something about their posting that triggers my "gut", and I'd rather try to engage with them early-game and/or think aloud in the thread a bit. Had the thread not kicked up while I was fast asleep, I probably would have continued trying to get them to talk a bit more and open up.
On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you."
Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game?
My posts have fundamentally different motivations than Jockey.
For one, I don't consider Shockey or Trefel scum-reads. I consider them lynchbait. There's something about their posting that triggers my "gut", and I'd rather try to engage with them early-game and/or think aloud in the thread a bit. Had the thread not kicked up while I was fast asleep, I probably would have continued trying to get them to talk a bit more and open up.
Jockey is instead directly scumreading Trefel.
So why did you feel the need to say what you did in your first three posts then? Why aren't you scumreading Vivax now because he "took your bait" as you described it? Why don't you have anything to say about anything other than Jock even though the thread has kicked up?
On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: oh hey look Rayn is tunneling me! Sweet sweet old nostalgia.
can you show me even one game where this happened when we were both town?
It feels nostalgic man. You might be right, or I might be able to actually dig through my mafia history, but I'm enjoying my morning waaaay too much to do so. I'm playing for the feels man. The feels.
Regarding "hapa-meta" in general, I haven't played a game of forum mafia in... 3-4 years? I'm not an angry/bored law student with extra time on my hands to death-tunnel and grill people in this game no more.
I understand that. I still don't think what you're saying now compared to how you opened the game makes any sense as town.
And yeah i am right 99% of the time on the first part, i dont think there is ever been a game when i have tunneled you from the beginning when i have been mafia and you have been town.
On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you."
Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game?
My posts have fundamentally different motivations than Jockey.
For one, I don't consider Shockey or Trefel scum-reads. I consider them lynchbait. There's something about their posting that triggers my "gut", and I'd rather try to engage with them early-game and/or think aloud in the thread a bit. Had the thread not kicked up while I was fast asleep, I probably would have continued trying to get them to talk a bit more and open up.
Jockey is instead directly scumreading Trefel.
So why did you feel the need to say what you did in your first three posts then? Why aren't you scumreading Vivax now because he "took your bait" as you described it? Why don't you have anything to say about anything other than Jock even though the thread has kicked up?
Hapa wakes up.
Hapa sips coffee.
Hapa reads thead.
Hapa feels dat nostalgia.
Hapa has scum feelings 'bout Jockey.
Hapa posts feels 'bout Jockey.
Hapa sees that his old buddy 'Rayn is posting and asking him questions!
Hapa smiles.
Hapa temporarily pauses re-reading the thread to answer Rayn's questions.
Clarification; I don't think my opinion of your alignment is much meta (of the games before). I know you're a smart guy and from what you posted you don't look like that smart guy to me (no offense lol).
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already?
Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.
Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?Side note, I really want to be suspicious of Jockmcplop, his wording and logic just feel so off, but I can't put my finger on it or articulate why So I'll let it drop. I reserve the right to be suspicious of him later though
The bolded especially. For a player like Trefel, the tone and transparency of this are spot-on with what a townie would be feeling in this particular spot. I think this is very hard to fake.
Jock remains a scumread. I've already posted my rationale, but I'll elaborate on it in the next post.
BloodyCobbler is also a scumread.
Regarding BC, the gist of it is that I have a hard time justifying how he arrived at his initial readlist.
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Town Bloodyc0bbler
Leaning town Shockeyy Jockmcplop
Null Chezinu Rayn Rels
Lean scum Vivax
Scum Trfel Hapa
His scumreads are not inherently mafia-motivated. Very, very wrong, but not distinguishable between wrong-town and malevolent-mafia. BC is clearly reading and interpreting the thread on a "how much are you posting vs. what are you contributing" mindset.
On April 05 2020 15:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: His posts scream posting for sake of posting. Asking questions is great, but only if followed by content. I dont like what ive seen thus far.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?
What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.
On April 05 2020 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC i don't really think there is much chance of Vivax being mafia.
Its why I have him as a scum lean. Play I dislike / view as bad (not saying it is the wrong way to play just that i dont like it) makes me lower you down until you do something that stands out. I am merely waiting for it. He has been more active since my original read, but he still needs to give real content to the thread.
These three reads have a common theme: all of us are posting, but not "contributing content", trying to BS our way into inflating our post counts.
Given BC's emphasis, it is extremely hard for me to understand how town-BC turns around and slight town-reads Shockeyy, who up until this point in the game has posted over 10 times, yet only contributed a "benefit of the doubt" read on Trefel:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
The dissonance between what he is stating to be his emphasis in his scumreads vs. how he is reading Shockey shows his mafia mindset here.
On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing.
I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not.
That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to.
It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them.
"Pressure votes" are certainly valid. Why does town-Jock not want to pressure his top scumread ("mafia-hapa") with a vote? Why does town-Jock not want to pressure Rels? How did you arrive at Shockey vs. the other candidates?
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
In addition, the "order of scumminess" itself leads to some extra questions about your vote on Shockey. Given this list, Rels is #2. It is literally impossible to tell anything about Rels' alignment given zero posting. Rels is null in the purest sense of it. This would imply that Shockeyy and Trefel are slightly above-null, but you chose to place a vote on Shockeyy anyway.
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
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What does "jarring" mean to BloodyCobbler? Does he not meet your criteria of posting a bunch of stuff without saying anything?
"People I had scum reads focusing him" isn't an accurate depiction of the state of the thread at the time you made the read. I had not called Shockey scum. I do not see where Trefel called him mafia. Vivax made a one-off comment about him but has talked about virtually every player in the game.
Sorry guys I’ve had a really shitty migraine all day. I’m going to catch up on the past 6 pages. Vivax I recall a question from you, in all honesty I did read it but I was dead tired so I didn’t realize. I think I was just trying to get more details out of you.
ShoCkeyy Seems very interested in how towny he looks. Feels suspicious, but maybe this is just how he plays. Check meta as town to confirm or deny this. Note: checked meta from last game, didn't see any similar statements but I'm still not very confident in this reason to suspect ShoCkeyy. Interested to see where he goes from here.
BloodyC0bbler Why does he say I am overly defensive here? I only tried to understand Jockmcplop's read, not disagree. However Jockmcplop also thought this way, so perhaps it's more up to interpretation than I thought.
Jockmcplop Something still feels wrong about our conversation yesterday but it's probably just me making something out of nothing. I can't confidently say why it was off, and if Jockmcplop is mafia, there should be better reasons why.
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
Some things feel off to me about this post. First, he says he's not willing to lynch Chezinu because he can't read him, but he is willing to lynch Rels, who has made zero posts. I'd understand this more if he said that the reason was that Chezinu was fun, but he said that the reason was that he couldn't read him. It's a minor detail but it makes me a bit suspicious. I also don't like him suddenly agreeing with the Hapahauli read, he didn't mention it at all earlier and then suddenly agrees after raynpelikoneet makes a big post.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise.
So how do i approach the game normally?
Honestly I've no idea.
On April 05 2020 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have just spent time trying to figure out what Shockeyys posting means and i don't really see that. Sure you can be right or then not, but i can't tell if he is mafia or not. I think cobbler is right on Hapa though, i thought about the same thing instantly when i saw Hapa's two first posts.
@raynpelikoneet and/or BloodyC0bbler: Can you please help me understand why you are scumreading Hapahauli? You said that it feels like he was just posting to post and wasn't going anywhere with his questions. I don't disagree, however you made these statements when Hapahauli's last post was on the bottom of page 4, giving him only two and a half pages of content to work with. At that time, we were talking about flavor and voting randomly. I just don't get what you expect from Hapahauli this early into the game.
@Jockmcplop: What was it in particular that made you suspicious of Hapahauli?
@ShoCkeyy: I assume you'll see this while you are catching up on the thread, but if not, just a reminder:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already?
Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.
Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?
Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning
Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know
##vote Jockmcplop
May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon.
When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?
Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
On April 06 2020 04:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you.
What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did.
Settle down there bloody.
There was zero point in voting for either hap or rels at that particular point in the game. There was already pressure on hap coming from rayn and others so a pressure vote there was redundant, rels will probably get replaced if he doesn't show up and play, and I had already said in my reads list i wanted to see more from shockeyy.
Interesting that hap turned up, read the thread and put his vote on me... It looks very much like just going with thread sentiment mixed with a healthy dose of self preservation.
On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing.
I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not.
That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to.
It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them.
"Pressure votes" are certainly valid. Why does town-Jock not want to pressure his top scumread ("mafia-hapa") with a vote? Why does town-Jock not want to pressure Rels? How did you arrive at Shockey vs. the other candidates?
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
In addition, the "order of scumminess" itself leads to some extra questions about your vote on Shockey. Given this list, Rels is #2. It is literally impossible to tell anything about Rels' alignment given zero posting. Rels is null in the purest sense of it. This would imply that Shockeyy and Trefel are slightly above-null, but you chose to place a vote on Shockeyy anyway.
Question 1 i already answered above.
I disagree with your assessment of rels being 'pure null'. Unfortunately that ignores a huge amount of information in the thread. Reads are relative and happen relatively to each other. Someone with zero posts can be null, but they can be a scumread depending on what's happening in the thread.
Given the look of the thread, the low number of posts, and the fact that some solving is happening most of the time when people are in the thread, its logical to think that the mafia is more likely to be hiding in the low/zero poster category. In addition to this, i'm struggling to come up with solid scumreads on the people who are posting (until you turned up and started posting), so the low/zero posters are where I'm looking mostly.
You could just ignore all that information and go simplify it down to 'zero posts = pure null' but doing so would infer to me that you have some reason to ignore the rest of what's happened in the thread...
Shockeyy is not a 'slight townread' at all. I need to see more from shockeyy but I'm fine leaving my vote there if I don't.
On April 06 2020 19:12 Trfel wrote: You didn't answer my question :'(
Sorry I missed it.
Hapahauli's entrance was bad. I agreed with bloody's case on him basically. He seemed like he was just asking random questions to be involved without actually caring about the answers.
Now I scumread him more because of the way he came back and instantly jumped on the back of what rayn was saying about me, which looks like a self-preservation move, using thread sentiment to feign aggression against the obvious target.
I have no freaking clue I could see you guys being right and Hapahauli being mafia, I could even more easily see Jockmcplop being town, but really it would just be a trust vote because I don't fully understand it Gonna try and sleep and worry about it in the morning.
Raynpelikoneet, would you mind explaining why Hapahauli's scumread on BloodyC0bbler is so bad?
On April 06 2020 19:12 Trfel wrote: You didn't answer my question :'(
Sorry I missed it.
Hapahauli's entrance was bad. I agreed with bloody's case on him basically. He seemed like he was just asking random questions to be involved without actually caring about the answers.
Now I scumread him more because of the way he came back and instantly jumped on the back of what rayn was saying about me, which looks like a self-preservation move, using thread sentiment to feign aggression against the obvious target.
I still want to see more from shockeyy though.
Thanks for answering, I appreciate it.
I dunno if you looked in my "Notes" spoiler, but what I'm getting at is: you were present in the thread when BloodyC0bbler posted about Hapahauli. You were there for his early posts and didn't seem to find them interesting yourself. But it was only after raynpelikoneet posted about Hapahauli that you said you scumread him. If you agreed with BloodyC0bbler's case, why didn't you say so at the time?
To me it feels like you saw the wagon gaining support and only then jumped on. Unless there is something I am missing?
On April 06 2020 19:12 Trfel wrote: You didn't answer my question :'(
Sorry I missed it.
Hapahauli's entrance was bad. I agreed with bloody's case on him basically. He seemed like he was just asking random questions to be involved without actually caring about the answers.
Now I scumread him more because of the way he came back and instantly jumped on the back of what rayn was saying about me, which looks like a self-preservation move, using thread sentiment to feign aggression against the obvious target.
I still want to see more from shockeyy though.
Thanks for answering, I appreciate it.
I dunno if you looked in my "Notes" spoiler, but what I'm getting at is: you were present in the thread when BloodyC0bbler posted about Hapahauli. You were there for his early posts and didn't seem to find them interesting yourself. But it was only after raynpelikoneet posted about Hapahauli that you said you scumread him. If you agreed with BloodyC0bbler's case, why didn't you say so at the time?
To me it feels like you saw the wagon gaining support and only then jumped on. Unless there is something I am missing?
There's nothing really to say about bloody's case on hap other than 'I agree'. There's no conversation to be had about that, and I was busy in the thread speaking to you about other stuff at that time. I agree with plenty of stuff people say in the thread but I don't always make a point of posting about it. If hap had done more at that time I would have had reason to to go analyze his posts or respond to bloody with my own opinions about it but he hadn't and so I don't see the point in posting +1s or 'i agree' or something like that.
On April 06 2020 19:35 Trfel wrote: To me it feels like you saw the wagon gaining support and only then jumped on. Unless there is something I am missing?
I can see how it would look like that. I would say that also applies to hap's return to the thread and his subsequent vote for me.
The difference being that hap was under pressure at the time and I wasn't, and also that when I made my reads list the only decent case in the thread was against hap.
On April 06 2020 19:12 Trfel wrote: You didn't answer my question :'(
Sorry I missed it.
Hapahauli's entrance was bad. I agreed with bloody's case on him basically. He seemed like he was just asking random questions to be involved without actually caring about the answers.
Now I scumread him more because of the way he came back and instantly jumped on the back of what rayn was saying about me, which looks like a self-preservation move, using thread sentiment to feign aggression against the obvious target.
I still want to see more from shockeyy though.
Thanks for answering, I appreciate it.
I dunno if you looked in my "Notes" spoiler, but what I'm getting at is: you were present in the thread when BloodyC0bbler posted about Hapahauli. You were there for his early posts and didn't seem to find them interesting yourself. But it was only after raynpelikoneet posted about Hapahauli that you said you scumread him. If you agreed with BloodyC0bbler's case, why didn't you say so at the time?
To me it feels like you saw the wagon gaining support and only then jumped on. Unless there is something I am missing?
There's nothing really to say about bloody's case on hap other than 'I agree'. There's no conversation to be had about that, and I was busy in the thread speaking to you about other stuff at that time. I agree with plenty of stuff people say in the thread but I don't always make a point of posting about it. If hap had done more at that time I would have had reason to to go analyze his posts or respond to bloody with my own opinions about it but he hadn't and so I don't see the point in posting +1s or 'i agree' or something like that.
Hm, I guess that makes some sense. Except we wrapped up our conversation before BloodyC0bbler posted on Hapahauli, but it's a small detail.It's this weird thing in mafia where everything I know about the game tells me Jockmcplop is mafia, but I am also so bad at the game I could be completely wrong Gonna be stupid and look at a Jockmcplop town game for him saying "I agree" or an equivalent...
On April 06 2020 19:35 Trfel wrote: To me it feels like you saw the wagon gaining support and only then jumped on. Unless there is something I am missing?
I can see how it would look like that. I would say that also applies to hap's return to the thread and his subsequent vote for me.
The difference being that hap was under pressure at the time and I wasn't, and also that when I made my reads list the only decent case in the thread was against hap.
Sorry to keep pestering you, but I don't understand the second paragraph. Honest curiosity about what you are saying.
What does being under pressure matter for this? Like why is that difference alignment indicative? And what does the last sentence mean, that you have to agree with it because it's a decent case, or that Hapahauli had no decent case on you to agree with? I think I'm just missing your intention with those sentences, sorry.
On April 06 2020 19:35 Trfel wrote: To me it feels like you saw the wagon gaining support and only then jumped on. Unless there is something I am missing?
I can see how it would look like that. I would say that also applies to hap's return to the thread and his subsequent vote for me.
The difference being that hap was under pressure at the time and I wasn't, and also that when I made my reads list the only decent case in the thread was against hap.
Sorry to keep pestering you, but I don't understand the second paragraph. Honest curiosity about what you are saying.
What does being under pressure matter for this? Like why is that difference alignment indicative? And what does the last sentence mean, that you have to agree with it because it's a decent case, or that Hapahauli had no decent case on you to agree with? I think I'm just missing your intention with those sentences, sorry.
If you're under pressure you need to post reads and figure out a way to survive. Hapahauli has worked out his best way to survive.
My read on hap was based on the information available in the thread, that's why i scumread him, because the best case in the thread was about hapahauli. Hapahauli's reason for scumreading me was survival.
On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him?
I'm not saying that.
That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.
My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote ##vote: shockeyy
On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing.
On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing.
I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not.
That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to.
It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them.
On April 06 2020 19:35 Trfel wrote: To me it feels like you saw the wagon gaining support and only then jumped on. Unless there is something I am missing?
I can see how it would look like that. I would say that also applies to hap's return to the thread and his subsequent vote for me.
The difference being that hap was under pressure at the time and I wasn't, and also that when I made my reads list the only decent case in the thread was against hap.
Sorry to keep pestering you, but I don't understand the second paragraph. Honest curiosity about what you are saying.
What does being under pressure matter for this? Like why is that difference alignment indicative? And what does the last sentence mean, that you have to agree with it because it's a decent case, or that Hapahauli had no decent case on you to agree with? I think I'm just missing your intention with those sentences, sorry.
If you're under pressure you need to post reads and figure out a way to survive. Hapahauli has worked out his best way to survive.
My read on hap was based on the information available in the thread, that's why i scumread him, because the best case in the thread was about hapahauli. Hapahauli's reason for scumreading me was survival.
Fair enough, I appreciate you humoring me. I don't know if there is anything else you can help me with currently, I just need to think about it and figure things out. And sleep. Maybe in reverse order.
My meta check came back inconclusive, I didn't find what I was looking for (to confirm or reject it) but I did see a ton of original thought. Going to reread Jockmcplop's filter and try to look at the big picture instead of the small details.
Looking at the big picture... It just feels to me like Jockmcplop isn't doing anything. I don't see a direction or creativity.
He questioned me for a while and ended up reading me as somewhat suspicious, sure. But he hasn't really followed that up. Instead he followed other to vote for Hapahauli. And is scumreading Rels and ShoCkeyy.
Honestly it's kinda a boring filter. And that makes me think Jockmcplop is mafia. But I don't want to tunnel, and I really need sleep So I'll try and sleep and re-evaluate in the morning.
On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you."
Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game?
My posts have fundamentally different motivations than Jockey.
For one, I don't consider Shockey or Trefel scum-reads. I consider them lynchbait. There's something about their posting that triggers my "gut", and I'd rather try to engage with them early-game and/or think aloud in the thread a bit. Had the thread not kicked up while I was fast asleep, I probably would have continued trying to get them to talk a bit more and open up.
Jockey is instead directly scumreading Trefel.
This post triggers me massively.
I have spent the entire game trying to get both trfel and shockeyy talking. That, and talking to rayn, is basically all I have done. I have been directly interacting with trfel for basically the entire game and my vote on shockeyy is an attempt to get him talking.
Scumreading people and picking out the faults in their posts is a fantastic way to get them talking and it generally works (it worked well with trfel).
This looks like hapa just grasping at straws trying to find 'original' ways to verbalise his convenient scum read of me.
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I'm getting less scummy feelings about trfel as the game goes on. He just feels more townie than he did at the beginning of the game.
Shockeyy has still done fuck all and is lynchable for me. Even on the chance that Jock is mafia it doesn't feel right to me not to lynch Shockeyy over him here after he said 7 hours ago he was catching up.
On April 06 2020 20:41 Trfel wrote: And I actually kinda like that Jockmcplop post. Though, didn't you say mafia love to say they're trying to get people talking?
I don't know anything
Yes I did say that haha. It was a different context though, I wasn't defending my posts by saying that, and the fact that I was trying to get people talking should be really obvious by the way i interacted with you and then downgraded my scumread of you slightly because of the way you responded, and by my pressure vote on shockeyy.
On April 06 2020 20:42 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy has still done fuck all and is lynchable for me. Even on the chance that Jock is mafia it doesn't feel right to me not to lynch Shockeyy over him here after he said 7 hours ago he was catching up.
I could be on board with this too. Rels will likely be modkilled for not voting if he doesn't return, so he'd be a bad option.
On April 06 2020 20:53 Vivax wrote: Jock what are the things Cobbler thinks similarly to you?
His early scumreads of trfel and hapa were the main features of his early play and i felt the same for the similar reasons. If he wasn't agreeing with what i saying he was saying what i was thinking.
I did disagree about his read on you and pulled him up on it but his explanation made sense.
Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him?
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that.
On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him?
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that.
The question he asked to shockeyy at the start of the game also looks random af to be honest, especially with no follow up. It looks like he wants to get shockeyy talking, but he hates that i have a pressure vote on shockeyy later.
Hap, when you asked shockeyy what his mafia experience is is that because you wanted him to make some posts in the thread to help you read him? Do you have a read on him now? If so, what it is, if not, why are you lynching me for voting for shockeyy?
On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him?
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that.
The question he asked to shockeyy at the start of the game also looks random af to be honest, especially with no follow up. It looks like he wants to get shockeyy talking, but he hates that i have a pressure vote on shockeyy later.
Hap, when you asked shockeyy what his mafia experience is is that because you wanted him to make some posts in the thread to help you read him? Do you have a read on him now? If so, what it is, if not, why are you lynching me for voting for shockeyy?
I'm not sure what your current read on Trfel is Jock, but if it has changed, does your read on BC also stay the same? Because imo the reasons BC used were very generic and apply to a lot of players in this game but he only used them on Trfel.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?
What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.
There's plenty of fluff to go around in this game and it's a textbook algorithm from old meta where everyone was super tryhard.
That's why I have a hard time placing BC between 'bad' and scum. Don't want to call it bad because he might just be a tad rusty and less used to shitpost mafia where tonereads are more useful.
But then again he also says Trfel is trying to post it on his own to look like he's contributing when really he is just answering to Jock, which is just misrepresentation.
On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him?
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that.
I'm not sure if you asked me this, but Shockeyy boils down to whether you believe he's scum doing nothing, or town doing nothing.
He deserves to be lynched, sure, but how can anyone have a 'proper' read on him?
On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you."
Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game?
My posts have fundamentally different motivations than Jockey.
For one, I don't consider Shockey or Trefel scum-reads. I consider them lynchbait. There's something about their posting that triggers my "gut", and I'd rather try to engage with them early-game and/or think aloud in the thread a bit. Had the thread not kicked up while I was fast asleep, I probably would have continued trying to get them to talk a bit more and open up.
Jockey is instead directly scumreading Trefel.
This post triggers me massively.
I have spent the entire game trying to get both trfel and shockeyy talking. That, and talking to rayn, is basically all I have done. I have been directly interacting with trfel for basically the entire game and my vote on shockeyy is an attempt to get him talking.
Scumreading people and picking out the faults in their posts is a fantastic way to get them talking and it generally works (it worked well with trfel).
This looks like hapa just grasping at straws trying to find 'original' ways to verbalise his convenient scum read of me.
------- I'm getting less scummy feelings about trfel as the game goes on. He just feels more townie than he did at the beginning of the game.
I haven't thought about my current read on BC.
Give me a 10 minutes i'll look through his filter.
The point you made about his algorithmic view is interesting though, it explains why he was so angry at my posting, I have no idea how you are supposed to play this game I just play it and do what i feel.
On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him?
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that.
I'm not sure if you asked me this, but Shockeyy boils down to whether you believe he's scum doing nothing, or town doing nothing.
He deserves to be lynched, sure, but how can anyone have a 'proper' read on him?
ehh... maybe
I just look at how hap has interacted/referred to shockeyy and it gives me the chills.
Hap refusing to answer my question above absolutely sucks and his answer to that would have helped me read him so i'm taking his refusal to answer as a sign that he is mafia.
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Town Bloodyc0bbler
Leaning town Shockeyy Jockmcplop
Null Chezinu Rayn Rels
Lean scum Vivax
Scum Trfel Hapa
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though.
He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads?
The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean.
Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea.
On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote: Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you."
Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game?
My posts have fundamentally different motivations than Jockey.
For one, I don't consider Shockey or Trefel scum-reads. I consider them lynchbait. There's something about their posting that triggers my "gut", and I'd rather try to engage with them early-game and/or think aloud in the thread a bit. Had the thread not kicked up while I was fast asleep, I probably would have continued trying to get them to talk a bit more and open up.
Jockey is instead directly scumreading Trefel.
So why did you feel the need to say what you did in your first three posts then? Why aren't you scumreading Vivax now because he "took your bait" as you described it? Why don't you have anything to say about anything other than Jock even though the thread has kicked up?
Did anyone ever read this post?
I think it shows (amongst other things that have happened since) Hapa's scum mindset.
He asks Trfel a generic question about shockeyys alignment early on in the game. Turns out he doesn't even have a read on either of those people. He just considers them lynchbaits. What on earth is asking one lynchbait about another lynchbait (not to even say asking the one who actually IS posting about the one who isn't) is ever gonna do in terms of helping you figure out anything in the game?
Then he moves on towards Jock who he scumreads for being indecisive in his reads, arguing with his scumread (Trfel) and for him not voting for Hapa. - Townies are often indecisive especially early on in their reads, that doesn't really tell anything about Jock's alignment unless you have some specific proof to show to prove that is not the case with Jock - Townies tend to argue with their scumreads, because noone mostly is going to just roll over and die and that will lead to an argument, naturally - Why is Jock not voting for Hapa scummy (without further expalnation) for Hapa, when the only (without further explanation) legit explanation for Jock to be mafia because of this is if Hapa is mafia? That shouldn't be the case for him, unless he of course assumes he himself is mafia....
Like, none of these points actually should make jock mafia for hapa. I am not saying they can't be a reason for jock to be mafia but hapa has simply no interest in actually figuring shit out, all that is just surface level shit imo. In the same breath i would ask why this indecisiveness is scummy for jock but not for trfel, who "tickled his senses" and is probably 10x more indecisive (has been even in this game) than any other players combined (worth to note here is that hapa doesn't know either of the players so i think it's reasonable to say they should be judged equally by him)? Jock acts indecisive, super duper mafia! Trfel acts super indecisive, "the tone and transparency of this are spot-on with what a townie would be feeling in this particular spot"??????? Another point against him not looking deeper than the surface.
Then the read on BC. Sure i might be wrong but in my opinion this is one of the most towniest start of the games i have ever seen BC playing in my life. That was the first thing there that raised even more red flags on hapa for me. (And please do not go on asking me why does this apply to hapa but not vivax -- it's because vivax is not hapa). BC is mafia because he put shockeyy in his town pile. Why the hell would mafia!BC ever put shockeyy in his town pile at this point of the game (especially since Hapa doesn't even think shockeyy is mafia with BC, that might have been one explanation -- but shockeyy is not mafia, jock is)? Even if BC was mafai with shockeyy that still doesn't make any sense at all. Basically he took a read from BC that doesn't make any sense from any alignment pov, and painted it scummy. And no, i don't think the question he asked from BC is him figuring things out. People figure things out first, then make decisions. Once again, another point against him not looking deeper than the surface.
So yeah that's pretty much it. I could lynch shockeyy too. Those are the people i am basically willing to lynch today, i have no idea why trfel is even voting for jock tbh. And i dont think jock is mafia.
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though.
He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads?
The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean.
Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea.
I know that he is absent, complained about your posts like they were super scummy without saying which or what is scummy about them and still ended up voting on the Hapa wagon.
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Two of his posts were reasonably done well, yes? But that's normal in mafia... He has 1 page of filter vs Jocks 3 pages of literally answering everybody...
ShoCkeyy Seems very interested in how towny he looks. Feels suspicious, but maybe this is just how he plays. Check meta as town to confirm or deny this. Note: checked meta from last game, didn't see any similar statements but I'm still not very confident in this reason to suspect ShoCkeyy. Interested to see where he goes from here.
BloodyC0bbler Why does he say I am overly defensive here? I only tried to understand Jockmcplop's read, not disagree. However Jockmcplop also thought this way, so perhaps it's more up to interpretation than I thought.
Jockmcplop Something still feels wrong about our conversation yesterday but it's probably just me making something out of nothing. I can't confidently say why it was off, and if Jockmcplop is mafia, there should be better reasons why.
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
Some things feel off to me about this post. First, he says he's not willing to lynch Chezinu because he can't read him, but he is willing to lynch Rels, who has made zero posts. I'd understand this more if he said that the reason was that Chezinu was fun, but he said that the reason was that he couldn't read him. It's a minor detail but it makes me a bit suspicious. I also don't like him suddenly agreeing with the Hapahauli read, he didn't mention it at all earlier and then suddenly agrees after raynpelikoneet makes a big post.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise.
On April 05 2020 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have just spent time trying to figure out what Shockeyys posting means and i don't really see that. Sure you can be right or then not, but i can't tell if he is mafia or not. I think cobbler is right on Hapa though, i thought about the same thing instantly when i saw Hapa's two first posts.
@raynpelikoneet and/or BloodyC0bbler: Can you please help me understand why you are scumreading Hapahauli? You said that it feels like he was just posting to post and wasn't going anywhere with his questions. I don't disagree, however you made these statements when Hapahauli's last post was on the bottom of page 4, giving him only two and a half pages of content to work with. At that time, we were talking about flavor and voting randomly. I just don't get what you expect from Hapahauli this early into the game.
@Jockmcplop: What was it in particular that made you suspicious of Hapahauli?
@ShoCkeyy: I assume you'll see this while you are catching up on the thread, but if not, just a reminder:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote: [quote]
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already?
Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.
Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?
I'm characterizing you by your last game into this game. It wasn't anything bad, just trying to reason with you and why you're town.
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Two of his posts were reasonably done well, yes? But that's normal in mafia... He has 1 page of filter vs Jocks 3 pages of literally answering everybody...
Great reason to townread people. You just open filters and whoever has the biggest ones is town.
Trfel last game was mafia and he talked about way too much for someone who should have an opinion.
If Jock here is mafia and wants the heat off himself of course he has to answer to everybody.
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?
My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?
My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
Dude you said a dozen hours ago you were catching up, now you want to speedrun everything within less than an hour and someone to repeat what has already been said. Turns out you are actually still just F5ing the front page while doing it.
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?
My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
Dude you said a dozen hours ago you were catching up, now you want to speedrun everything within less than an hour and someone to repeat what has already been said. Turns out you are actually still just F5ing the front page while doing it.
Who are your top towns?
Dude I asked for a summary as to why we're voting Jock over Hap. I've ready up to page 12 last night, and had to read the other three pages to catch up this morning. I'm not asking for a speed run, I'm asking for legitimate reasons why I should place my vote on Jock, and from what I've seen, and read, Jock has better reason to be town than mafia at this point.
Hap literally cased Jock right after rayn and yourself said something about Jock. He didn't even try, just grabbed two of his posts and said this is why. Like how is that "surgical"...?
I just don't understand how hap is a better town than Jock... He literally put BC on his scum read because BC put his list of reads so far... WHO DOES THAT?
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?
My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
On April 07 2020 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels is gonna get modkilled and i think there is a decent chance that Hapa isn't playing anymore because Rels is mafia with him.
I mean i have reasons to townread everyone other than Hapa, Chezinu, Shockeyy and Rels, and even from those shockeyy's indecisiveness of placing a vote doesn't make any sense unless he is mafia with hapa. I am on the fence with Trfel and my reasoning for townreading him is kinda stupid, but yeah.
I have very hard time seeing either of Jock or BC here, Vivax. Especially when i compare their play to other people's play. Sure they can be mafia and you can be right and i can be wrong but i am sorry i just dont see it rn.
On April 07 2020 01:36 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn, are you mafia, or did you have a lobotomy since we last spoke?
No, i genuinely think you're mafia because from the get go your posting does not look like anything i would expect from a town!Hapa who is actually good at the game. I am sorry if you're actually town but i just don't believe it here, especially after your refusal to actually participate and even try to play in the end of the day.
On April 07 2020 01:32 Vivax wrote: Ok I don't think this game is winnable if we lynch Hapa today.
The mafia are Jock and BC if they aren't one afk + Chez imo. But you can give rayn his lynch and see where it takes the game.
Should we policy lynch instead? If we do lose two town here, it's going to be really really fucking rough. I rather policy lynch rels at this point, and have only one person killed even if it means he's town sadly, than two possible towns creating a very disadvantage town.
On April 07 2020 01:32 Vivax wrote: Ok I don't think this game is winnable if we lynch Hapa today.
The mafia are Jock and BC if they aren't one afk + Chez imo. But you can give rayn his lynch and see where it takes the game.
Should we policy lynch instead? If we do lose two town here, it's going to be really really fucking rough. I rather policy lynch rels at this point, and have only one person killed even if it means he's town sadly, than two possible towns creating a very disadvantage town.
Sure, maybe if you asked it 12 hours ago. But most people put effort into getting reads going and so your policy lynch suggestion is only palatable to mafia if one of them is threatened.
On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him?
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that.
I'm not sure if you asked me this, but Shockeyy boils down to whether you believe he's scum doing nothing, or town doing nothing.
He deserves to be lynched, sure, but how can anyone have a 'proper' read on him?
ehh... maybe
I just look at how hap has interacted/referred to shockeyy and it gives me the chills.
Hap refusing to answer my question above absolutely sucks and his answer to that would have helped me read him so i'm taking his refusal to answer as a sign that he is mafia.
On April 05 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: why did you originally vote for hapa?
Straight out RNG'd people who basically hadn't done anything yet.
My vote has stayed there because all 3 of his posts since the game started provide literally nothing substance. He also vanished quite quickly. I want to see more for him for sure, especially given the fact the thread is far larger now.
On April 06 2020 04:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you.
What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did.
Must have been some bad shit, but.
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
?????
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
On April 05 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: why did you originally vote for hapa?
Straight out RNG'd people who basically hadn't done anything yet.
My vote has stayed there because all 3 of his posts since the game started provide literally nothing substance. He also vanished quite quickly. I want to see more for him for sure, especially given the fact the thread is far larger now.
On April 07 2020 01:56 Hapahauli wrote: Oh oh carry on. We both misread each other.
I said I had a strong preference against lynching Rels, and that the lynch should be between myself and Jock.
Yea and I countered with of course you do because then that means two possible townies are getting lynched... Vivax please. It's the most obvious tell.
After listening to The Sentinel, the Ricci family didn’t believe much in what was said. They’ve tried to watch some Netflix instead, but the remote controller wasn’t working, nor was the TV buttons. Tired and scared of The Sentinel’s face hanging on the screen, they decided to unplug the machine. However, The Sentinel’s head was still looking at them, as a pacient hunter observing its prey. Maybe that supernatural stuff was true, then? And maybe… maybe they really would have to kill each other? If that’s so, someone is corrupted. Someone is not one of their beloved family anymore. But who? Francesca couldn’t believe it. She decided to go to the kitchen, maybe occupy herself with something, like cooking the lunch or whatever she could think of. A blast sound and drops of blood invaded her kitchen through the window. She looked outside. Someone’s body was falling from the building next to her house. She looked up and saw his neighbor with a gun in his hands and blood covering his face. The Sentinel and the killing is true, and it’s happening everywhere. The family must know. Eight of them were gathered in the living room, eight but Lucca Gallo, the kid, who decided to not take it that serious, and that he needed to workout. Antonio Ricci, the slob, voted first: Michela Gallo Ricci should die. Maybe because of the snob stuff? But no one took it very seriously. Especially Lucca, her husband, who just ignored it. Once the suspicions started, Francesca decided to leave the living room, and locked herself in her bedroom. Lucca Gallo Ricci decided to vote his sister. It wasn’t unclear if he really believed she was corrupted, or if he thought she was a bookworm bitch that deserved to die. He then said he had nothing else to add, and went to the kitchen to cook steak with protein, as his muscles needed it. He even decided to start a vlog on his home: the Lucca Gallo Ricci Quarantine Vlog, where he showed how to workout inside home and how to cook a very nutritious meal. The Sentinel made annotations and decided to keep the record on the Citadel. Maybe they could make the Apostholes stronger with those tips. After several suspicions were raised, two family members were the highest votes: Andrezza Gallo Ricci, the 16 year old girl, and Rafaello, the lawyer. Lucca Ricci couldn’t believe his family would even consider murdering a kid like Andrezza, his daughter. Something wasn’t right. He fought against it. But to no avail. Andrezza got the highest votes. The family started going in her direction. Lucca Ricci stood in front of them, protecting his daughter. He heard a faint scream behind him. Andrezza had her eyes startled from the pain she felt. His brother, Lucca Gallo, stabbed her from behind with the steak knife. She fell on the ground, coughing and in great pain. Michela had her in her arms. “No, no”. She was suffering. Lucca took the knife from his son’s hands and sliced her daughter’s neck. Blood spilled fast, and quickly she became lifeless. “No one here deserves do suffer”, Lucca said. Suddenly, his daughter’s skin started to become red. Red. RED. SCARLET. Her eyes rolled and her body entered in convulsion. A deafening scream came from her lungs, but her voice was someone’s else, and a scarlet ectoplasma floated in the air. It was sucked inside the TV screen, as The Sentinel fixedly stared at the family. Suddenly, a shot was heard. Mario went to his bedroom to find his beloved Francesca on the ground, lifeless, with hole in her head. She obviously took the revolver inside the locked drawer... the Luger Mario had as a war trophy. She couldn’t take it anymore. She couldn’t see her family, that she treated with so much love, killing each other. A note was on the bed. Mario took it. He will read it, but not now. Not now. Goodbye, my love.
Andrezza is 16, Lucca Gallo Ricci is her brother, Lucca Ricci and Michela, parents, and Mario and Francesca, grandparents. She feels a little bit detached because she doesn’t really like their routine, nor their company. She prefer the books she is reading. Yeah, the books are fine. “Crime and Punishment” is a great read. If her brother could just shut up for once. Then she could read the Divine Comedy as soon as possible.
The grandmother. Francesca Ricci was studying Law when she met Mario, her husband. They fell in love and she decided to stop trying so hard to be a lawyer, because, well, there are already lot of them. She joined her loved one in his restaurant, “La Premiata”, and thank god she did, because her pastries are the reason the restaurant got its first Michelin star. Mother of Rafaello, Antonio and Lucca, three boys, and grandfather to Lucca Gallo Ricci and Andrezza Gallo Ricci. You never really liked Michela Gallo Ricci, their mother, and married to your son Lucca.
Well well well, I'm happy with that, one town, one mafia member. I think I'll start changing my filter diving habits then. Hap did not seem very good town at all. Ughh, I'll need to really reevaluate who my reads are, but this puts Hap on my town list.
Pfffftt.. I have literally every reason to think that it's just Hapa with Jock. Jock's denial to put a vote on a scumread and Hapa's non-caringness of the lynch at all at the deadline. But it feels wrong. I am just gonna treat Hapa as confirmed town and blame you all if he is fact the other mafia and somehow bought enough town credit to win.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?
well then it's probably you after all and you're going to win.
On April 07 2020 02:17 Hapahauli wrote: Why so hard-on town for BloodyCobbler and Shockey?
Because he made a good case on you, wrong or not. And he didn't consider shockeyy mafia when he had every reason to. I dont know, i just find shockeyys indecisiveness townie in the end. I have no idea what he is trying to gain by acting like that if he is mafia, just make a fucking decision on if to bus or not.
On April 07 2020 02:18 Hapahauli wrote: Like we lynch BC tomorrow. Period. With or without you. But you at least have to give me something to show me what's going on in that mind of yours.
Maybe you do. I don't think i have a lot to say on that. I still think you're mafia. But i don't think i am gonna consider that and look for something else. I also dont feel like you're being reasonable here because you had a lot of time to address my concerns on you and you never lifted a finger to do that. At best i dont think that was nice.
Like i have no idea why i should consider BC as scum. Because he put shockeyy in his town pile? Why does mafia!BC put town!shockeyy in his town pile when shockeyy has basically zero posts?
Reasons Hapahauli is mafia with Jock: - Neither of them having the fury of really fighting against each other earlier when they were scumreading each other. The responses to each other i find out to be super mild in comparison to say Jock's to Trfel. - Both of them being here on deadline, neither of them wanting to do shit about the lynch (there is an example of kind of the same shit here) - Hapa being super cocky only after deadline and not before, esp with this post. I can be and probably am wrong a lot of times but this feels like a scum jab at me knowing i am thinking i am wrong at something, while not wanting to do any of the shit to clear anything up beforehand. It feels shitty and i am gonna feel even more shitty if Hapa in fact does turn up as town but i don't think he will with all this. - It's a good play in all vanilla game. Been there done that.
I know I've been calling you an idiot for the last page and swinging my throbbing and large e-penis, but this pants-on-head tinfoil shit is what makes mafia great.
On April 07 2020 02:05 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well well well, I'm happy with that, one town, one mafia member. I think I'll start changing my filter diving habits then. Hap did not seem very good town at all. Ughh, I'll need to really reevaluate who my reads are, but this puts Hap on my town list.
You said you had filter diving habits, yet you did not listen to me.
On April 07 2020 03:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: You barely have spoken, what am I going to do? Last game you did the same thing... So I'm just going with my gut for the meantime.
My name is Lucca Gallo Ricci!!! And you said that you have not heard my voice?!?!?!?
My cooking session was 36 minutes of me talking!! I haven't heard anyone else talk as much!
Thank goodness a good portion of everyone agreed with me to get rid of my sister. She was not helping the business nor my movies. Consequences.
On April 07 2020 02:05 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well well well, I'm happy with that, one town, one mafia member. I think I'll start changing my filter diving habits then. Hap did not seem very good town at all. Ughh, I'll need to really reevaluate who my reads are, but this puts Hap on my town list.
You said you had filter diving habits, yet you did not listen to me.
I did, and I have a ton of points to make on it, such as hope you washed your hands after that workout. Also you're the only family member I know who cooked steak in an oven while trying to promote our families olive oil for subscribes.
Why the eff did you turn on the left stove top to do nothing with it? And you're using the microwave as a timer lmao, wtf man. wtf so many questions, might be the Ricci powder.
Side note: send some snort-able protein powder over here.
On April 07 2020 04:29 Trfel wrote: @Hapahauli: Why didn't you care who got lynched between you and Jockmcplop?
From my perspective, either we were lynching my top scummread, or I could enjoy the sweet release of death and not have to pay attention to this thread, go to OBS QT heaven, and chat with some old buddy-spectators. Even now, Option 2 sounds fun!
I stopped playing for the loooongest time because the game tends to make me pretty moody and emotionally swingy. I crashed out (as town) of my last few games in this manner... just burnt out too bad. I was riding quite a low prior to the lynch. Now... I'm going to have some fun with this
@Raynpelikoneet: I know this is slightly WIFOM, but if Hapahauli is mafia and double bussed with Jockmcplop, why did he go into the deadline openly saying he doesn't care about the lynch? That seems really dumb to me.
Knowing that I am your towny-town-towniest-town, I have concrete knowledge that this was a town v. mafia lynch.
But all of you don't have that perspective, so bah. Before I begin talking about players, just a couple of observations:
This was a very polarized lynch (everyone on two candidates) forces people to take sides more concretely, and is therefore much more revealing of the motives of various players. Particularly in this case, this was a knife's edge 4v4 vote.
Jock played "scummily" (no offense) enough to where there was a large amount of heat on him from virtually every player in the game. In addition, he made some more "noobie" (again, no offense) scum mistakes that a more "sophisticated" player would have avoided. His "read list" is one of those types of plays, and it almost reads "too scummy to be scum":
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
...in short, I am reading his filter and taking his motivations and posts at a more transparent level, rather than expecting to see mindgames upon mindgames.
Chez, Trfel, and Vivax are in the do not lynch category. All of them had the opportunity to save their "teammate" but chose not to. If there is a bus play, we can explore that at LYLO. Mafia will likely night-kill from this pile (or me) regardless. I also am not sensing from Jock's filter that the scumteam was coordinated or sophisticated enough to pull off a hard-bus in this manner.
That leaves a lynch list of Shockey, Rayn, and BloodyCobbler. Two of them have to be town, and they all look really bad for a variety of reasons.
Rayn reads strongly town to me, both based on his filter and Jocks' filter. This is for three reasons: 1) Most players, and especially forum players, have some desire to save-face. Pride in a purest sense. Rayn set up for this lynch with reckless abandon with no attempt whatsoever to save face. His posting literally sets up to humiliate himself after the flip. Mafia Rayn would know my alignment, as well as Jock's alignment. He is a sophisticated, smart, and experienced player enough to evaluate that there was a pretty high chance of Jock dying. 2) I really like Rayn's posting right after the flip. Again, a basic desire to save face. The torment of "oh god maybe I was wrong , to *BZZZZT DOES NOT COMPUTE RAWEFWHFJ*, to full on 'jet fuel does not melt steel beams" is a very townie thought process for someone who was wrong, and who's pride will not allow him to admit that he is wrong. 3) Reading Jock's filter transparently, there is a very clear attempt by Jock to white-knight Rayn early in the game:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
This post screams of "Jock is taking a hard and safe stance because he knows that Rayn is town". Given Jock's later posts, again, I am taking this post at face value, rather than weighing it for mindgames.
BloodyCobbler and Shockeyy after I grab some foods.
Thoughts from my last posts til now. Good Job Vivax /trfel. You guys are responsible for the win this day.
As of who is likely the last mafia? I would put the person here
Hap//Chezinu/Shockeyy
Because apparently if I don't post fully thought reasons im sketchy as fuck.
Hap didn't give two shits about the vote either way. Sure he has come back and given a reason why he didnt care, however that was after the reveal. Given mindset prior to the lynch was getting to be downright unhelpful / apathetic. I mean outright refusal. Also, since the reveal not only does he come in with a brag post but more importantly
On April 07 2020 02:03 Hapahauli wrote: Y'all are fucking idiots.
Except you Vivax. I love you. Trefel, you 'aight too.
I'm tempted to lynch Rayn for fun before BC mafia.
Not really the mentality of town here. Given that in this post he states he believes Rayn is town and I am mafia. Killing me makes the most logical sense if you believe I am mafia. Not setting up purposeful town deaths.
Shockeyy honestly since his return to the thread is, well to summarize in one word, bad. His general lack of activity mixed with the essential "i am here guys" posts then vanishing makes him look bad. The idea to try and move to a policy lynch that late into the game day is also extremely scummy.
Chezinu. I am merely going to summarize it with this. As entertaining (as they are very entertaining) as his videos are. He specifically said he wanted to kill his sister this game. Look where his vote was planted at the beginning of the game. I will straight out say this is likely a tin foil because jock flipped his sister. But given how theme oriented Chez gets, the play to off jock would make perfect sense.
BloodyCobber looks the worst to me for three reasons: 1) As I mentioned on Day 1, his Shockey read was pulled out of his ass, and is inconsistent with his approach to the game and general townie paranoia. 2) His behavior around Jock and the lynch, at face value, are very pro-Mafia. 3) His post activity surrounding Jock are again, at face value, consistent with an uncoordinated and unsophisticated mafia team.
The Read on Shockey
I'm just going to re-summarize my case for the sake of completeness, and hopefully give some people who were discounting my initial words some more clarity on why I felt as strongly as I did.
Playing as mafia is about creating an illusion of contribution. Contributing to discussion without actually contributing. Taking bold and hard stances without actually taking a risk. Covering your interactions with your partner just enough to avoid suspicion, while allowing you to coordinate with each other towards mafia objectives.
In addition, mafia also play with extra information. They know who's town. Whereas townies often display paranoia, since they are constantly uncertain, especially in the early game.
With these two points in mind, take a look at BC's read list.
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Town Bloodyc0bbler
Leaning town Shockeyy Jockmcplop
Null Chezinu Rayn Rels
Lean scum Vivax
Scum Trfel Hapa
Firstly, considering what Shockey had done until this point in the game, a slight-town read is not consistent with a paranoid town mindset. Take a look at Shockey's filter and look from the beginning to post #117. There's very little in there. So much so that multiple players were making remarks that Shockey was just coasting along and not contributing much. BC later even acknowledges this and re-bumps Shockey down to null, likely in an attempt to save face (spoilerized below).
Instead, his first read list is consistent with a mafia-mindset who knows that Shockey is town, and is naturally not-all-that-suspicious.
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
Secondly, and as explained before, the whole rationale behind the read is contrived bullshit. For that, we need to look at the "story" that BloodyCobbler is trying to tell about his town play. BloodyCobber is telling the story that he is reading player filters for the content that they are posting. He considers "substanceless" posting indicative of a mafia tell. Examples are abound:
Regarding his scumread on me (Hapa):
On April 05 2020 15:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: His posts scream posting for sake of posting. Asking questions is great, but only if followed by content. I dont like what ive seen thus far.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?
What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.
On April 05 2020 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC i don't really think there is much chance of Vivax being mafia.
Its why I have him as a scum lean. Play I dislike / view as bad (not saying it is the wrong way to play just that i dont like it) makes me lower you down until you do something that stands out. I am merely waiting for it. He has been more active since my original read, but he still needs to give real content to the thread.
... this post on vivax is suggestive that his "method" of early-game tells is just to look for people who seem "contentless" and re-evaluate them as the game goes on. He is willing to cast suspicion on play that he "dislike[s] / view[s] as bad" early on.
Given this mentality of reading for "substanceless posting", it is then inconceivable from a town-BC perspective that he would read Shockey's filter and come out with slightly town. Again, see Shockeyy's filter to post #117:
There is NO. FUCKING. WAY. That he could genuinely read Shockey as having any substance. Therefore his read is bullshit. Mafia attempting to contribute bullshit reads, and thereby not contributing. Playing with extra information, and therefore knowing that Shockey is town rather than being suspicious of him.
His Behavior around the Lynch
Mafia would ideally like to transparently lynch townies. But since there's a desire to save face (and distance) in the event of a wrong lynch, a transparent mafia player will cast just enough suspicion on his mafia buddy to distance. BloodyCobbler's actions look like a very transparent attempt to distance, and then fuck-off from the thread and cross his fingers, hoping town lynches wrong.
BloodyCobbler was active early, is inactive for a period, and then re-enters the thread a bit past the 24 hour mark, right after I call him and Jock mafia. Jock had already made a series of "sketchy" posts, which BC identifies. Note the reaction:
On April 06 2020 04:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you.
What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did.
On April 06 2020 04:41 Hapahauli wrote: Are you calling him bad, or are you calling him mafia?
On April 06 2020 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yes
On April 06 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote: How and why are you slight-town-reading Shockeyy? Are you still?
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
This is a very prototypical mafia way of saving face. His partner fucked up. Fucked up so bad that BC had to change his read on him. BC takes what is seemingly a strong stance with a ton of bravado in post #1 of this series, but when you unpack it, it is actually pretty weak. Jock only goes down to "lean scum", justifies his vote on me (the other guy on the lynch ticket), then proceeds to fuck off from the thread until past the lynch deadline.
Transparent. Mafia. Trying to distance himself from Jock. Trying to appear like he's taking a hard stance on Jock, but not actually doing anything brave.
Interactions with Jock
I wont beleaguer the point (because this post is long-winded as fuck), but the interactions between BC and Jock are noteworthy, in that they are very typical mafia interactions. They are chatty and interact without really showing any suspicion, anger, or confrontation with each other. BC in particular seemed interested in throwing Jock some softballs.
On April 05 2020 13:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yo jock. You read things clearly. Anything good catch your eye? yes no maybe so?
In response to Jock white-knighting BC:
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
havent played with him in ages tbh.
my memory from the ol days aint what it used to be. I want more from him atm but thats about it.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
He's very chatty, nice, and friendly to Jock, and rewards him with a slight town read on his read list. What's importat is what is missing: There's no suspicion, attempt to push Jock on any of his opinions, etc. They're very chatty and friendly. This reads a lot like BC is trying to help Jock and ease him into the game.
Jock's reads on BC
Its worth a separate section to point out just how bullshitty Jock's end of day read on BC is:
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though.
He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads?
The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean.
Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea.
On April 06 2020 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: He said Vivax wasn't explaining his reads until he did, and his position changed on the list after that.
Yeah that checks out.
BC still a townread for me then.
It's this super wishy-washy, awful, "say things without saying anything" post that ultimately concludes that BC is town. Again, much more consistent with mafia trying to bullshit-distance from a buddy vs. mafia white-knighting or hard reading someone they know is town.
With that... pretty convinced that BC is our last guy.
I don't think me listing a bunch of reasons to find Shockey suspicious would be at all productive to the town's purpose right now.
@Rayn I put my try-hard pants on just for you. Take a step back from the game. Come back in a few hours, and then read Jocks' filter. Read at how bad and scummy he was, and then try to square that away with a sophisticated all-out hard bus play.
Jock was just a transparent scummy dude. And he has transparent scummy actions with BC, who is his scummy partner scummer.
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.
Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...
On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?
And out of curiosity, did you confirm?
I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?
Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior?
Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that.
That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment?
It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least.
I appreciate you answering, thank you.
Do you have any players you are suspicious of at this point? And if not, what do you think of my "case" on raynpelikoneet?
Time to answer, just think of the opposite players here:
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?
My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
Who are your top towns?
raynpelikoneet Chezinu BloodyC0bbler Trfel
Include Hap and exclude chez/bloody. The rest is null, I don't have a slight clue yet to who is mafia is until night kill or D2 posts. As for your rayn stuff, I think it was generic casing since it was the start of the game, but definitely something to look at for D2.
Please give me your thoughts on my BC case on the bottom of Page 19. Where is it strong, where is it weak, and is it overall compelling enough to move BC as #1 on the scum list.
This hasn't been too active of a game, so the town steamroller should start tonight.
On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote: BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.
Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?
Because if you look near end of day. People were on the Kill hap / Kill jock. Id say in the game only 1-2 people considered both possible to be scum. If you are double busing and given the game state, the survivor will almost always be seen as "town" for at least a few days of play. Look at how hes playing now. Why do you go full on asshole unhelpful, to brag, to suddenly huge spur of activity with "reads" to how you have the game figured out. Hap may be rusty, but he has played back in the day. Mafia full on busing people was a staple. Dumb play or not, shit like that happens. In terms of him saying he wont do it, possibly, but then why say it? It makes 0 sense to ever say it as town, only makes sense as mafia. Stupid or not, people make mistakes.
Hell I will admit I probably am tunneled on Hap. But his entire play screams the same bullshit that Artanis pulled last year. Slow ride out in thread, gets called out (by me) and suddenly he appears in thread and spends a ton of it screaming "BC is scum, BC is scum" making tons of analysis posts misconstruing my play, etc..
Fully admit I could be tunneling, however I cant wrap my head around how hes behaving and thus hes on my lynch list. Could I be wrong, sure. I don't think I am though.
On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote: BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.
Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?
BC is just trying to bullshit his way into a case.
Just be aware that he is an experienced enough player to tell you what you want to hear. That is why he dodged suspicion on Day 1 from most of the playerbase.
I like those Hapahauli posts, the reasoning makes sense, and the results are the same as what I was thinking.
I do want to check on Jockmcplop's read on BloodyC0bbler, where he said it checks out and keeps him at town lean. Does it really check out? Note to self.
Also BloodyC0bbler's read on ShoCkeyy. Hapahauli made some really good points on this, where BloodyC0bbler said he read ShoCkeyy as town partially because some of his scumreads were reading ShoCkeyy as mafia. But that's actually not true at all. This point was kinda forgotten but I think it's worth bringing back up.
On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote: BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.
Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?
BC is just trying to bullshit his way into a case.
Just be aware that he is an experienced enough player to tell you what you want to hear. That is why he dodged suspicion on Day 1 from most of the playerbase.
Going to just say this to the bolded post. You have played a lot of games. A bunch with me. Every game I have played after i was viewed as "experienced', I have been viewed as scum day 1. There is always 1 person, if not multiple, who view me negatively. You can say I dodged suspicion. I didn't. You called me out, Vivax pushed me at points, etc... I may not have been a lynch target for day 1 but you quite honestly just lied right there.
BloodyC0bbler, thanks for answering. I'll take some time and think about it.
ShoCkeyy, thanks for answering too. For the record, my "case" on raynpelikoneet was pretty weak, and I don't think it's worth revisiting. Just to make sure, you are saying Hapahauli is town and BloodyC0bbler and Chezinu are null? Or the reverse?
Also in regards to my previous post, and the bolded selection. Hap is just as good at telling people what you want to hear and getting his own way. He is as if not more experienced than myself at this point.
Also like to say, when one of the cornerstone pieces of an analysis against me if that I didn't vote for jock even though I said he was mafia. I still believed Hap the most likely to flip scum. I still believe he will. However when someone uses that as a reason to try and frame an argument for my alignment. Toss in his other reason is that he doesn't like how I had someone as a leaning town read. His entire case is BS and is clearly reaching at straws. However. I am not going to clutter up the thread arguing with him / anyone really as I see no reason to bury this game in angry rants.
Tomorrow, there will be 6 players alive. There is a high chance that Rayn is too tunneled to vote anyone but me, and BC will obviously vote me for his nefarious purposes.
To be clear, my plan tomorrow is to vote for myself, and not to move my vote unless everyone else consolidates on BC. If everyone does not consolidate on BC, the Plurality mechanic will lead to my unstoppable lynch.
On April 07 2020 07:08 Hapahauli wrote: BC, off topic (and out of my steamroller persona), but have we actually played a game before? I don't remember any.
On April 07 2020 07:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: Working and reading the thread from start to beginning. I left off on a Vivax post that made me look more into rayn and jock posts.
I want to also follow up with your BC case, but I need to read it into context.
On April 07 2020 07:36 Hapahauli wrote: I understand that you're re-reading the thread, there's a fair amount of new and present content to go on. What do you make of Rayn and BC?
I don't think Rayn is mafia, he's a head strong player when he's town, and I can see it in him. Jock though first went for trfel, then rayn, then me, then you. BC on the other hand is interesting. He voted for you first. That's my biggest scum tell this game. BC/Jock does seem like a possible team when Jock leaned on you last.
The only other conclusion I can come up with is that, Jock knew he scum slipped and told Chez to vote him instantly to keep Chez safe. Very tinfoiling but this is mafia, you never fucking know anymore...
On April 07 2020 06:55 Trfel wrote: BloodyC0bbler, thanks for answering. I'll take some time and think about it.
ShoCkeyy, thanks for answering too. For the record, my "case" on raynpelikoneet was pretty weak, and I don't think it's worth revisiting. Just to make sure, you are saying Hapahauli is town and BloodyC0bbler and Chezinu are null? Or the reverse?
It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.
On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote: Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?
When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?
Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote: The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.
On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote: Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?
When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?
Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote: The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
I don't think anyone truly has a grasp on how Chez plays.
I personally feel it is difficult to entertain Chez's alignment until some of the more plausible scummers are dead. Occam's razor works for now - the most plausible explanation is that he's town, regardless of how random the vote is.
Also, I don't quite get this:
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
Where did I say I didn't want to discuss Chez? In my long list-o-reads, I state something along the lines of I am not looking at Chez, because I am discounting the chance of "sophisticated" mafia plays (i.e. hard bus plays) due to how Jock was posting.
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.
Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?
Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?
I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?
Shockey is certainly a plausible red.
Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.
Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.
Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.
On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote: Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?
When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?
Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote: The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
I don't think anyone truly has a grasp on how Chez plays.
I personally feel it is difficult to entertain Chez's alignment until some of the more plausible scummers are dead. Occam's razor works for now - the most plausible explanation is that he's town, regardless of how random the vote is.
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
Where did I say I didn't want to discuss Chez? In my long list-o-reads, I state something along the lines of I am not looking at Chez, because I am discounting the chance of "sophisticated" mafia plays (i.e. hard bus plays) due to how Jock was posting.
Chez, Trfel, and Vivax are in the do not lynch category. All of them had the opportunity to save their "teammate" but chose not to. If there is a bus play, we can explore that at LYLO.
K now I gotta go, be back in like an hour at least.
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.
On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote: Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?
When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?
Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote: The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
I don't think anyone truly has a grasp on how Chez plays.
I personally feel it is difficult to entertain Chez's alignment until some of the more plausible scummers are dead. Occam's razor works for now - the most plausible explanation is that he's town, regardless of how random the vote is.
Also, I don't quite get this:
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
Where did I say I didn't want to discuss Chez? In my long list-o-reads, I state something along the lines of I am not looking at Chez, because I am discounting the chance of "sophisticated" mafia plays (i.e. hard bus plays) due to how Jock was posting.
Chez, Trfel, and Vivax are in the do not lynch category. All of them had the opportunity to save their "teammate" but chose not to. If there is a bus play, we can explore that at LYLO.
K now I gotta go, be back in like an hour at least.
Ah yes. Same answer. I am not considering Chez until we have explored more plausible options. Doing so would be purely tinfoil on a player known for "randomness" and relative unreadability.
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.
Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?
Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?
I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?
Shockey is certainly a plausible red.
Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.
Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.
Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.
Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"
Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.
Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?
Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?
I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?
Shockey is certainly a plausible red.
Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.
Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.
Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.
Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"
Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.
I'm not worried about my ability to spew town at LYLO, if that's what you're getting at. Nor am I worried about my ability to railroad this lynch against you.
I'm wiling to entertain the conversation though. Why are Shockey and/or Chez more likely to flip scum than you?
On April 07 2020 07:36 Hapahauli wrote: I understand that you're re-reading the thread, there's a fair amount of new and present content to go on. What do you make of Rayn and BC?
I don't think Rayn is mafia, he's a head strong player when he's town, and I can see it in him. Jock though first went for trfel, then rayn, then me, then you. BC on the other hand is interesting. He voted for you first. That's my biggest scum tell this game. BC/Jock does seem like a possible team when Jock leaned on you last.
The only other conclusion I can come up with is that, Jock knew he scum slipped and told Chez to vote him instantly to keep Chez safe. Very tinfoiling but this is mafia, you never fucking know anymore...
OOC: But why would Chez listen to his teammates?!?!?
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.
Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?
Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?
I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?
Shockey is certainly a plausible red.
Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.
Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.
Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.
Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"
Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.
MOM!!!
What is up with the pool!??!?
Why is it green? Why does it have a barbed wired fence around it?
Shockeyy while being pressured is more answering questions while consistently reading to catch up. He has played in 20+ people games where by this point in time we'd have 200+ pages of content. He has experience in reading / being caught up in those games. So if you post 3-5 times in a 21 page game where the first 2ish pages are pregame / signups. So a 18-19 page game, 20 posts a page where most aren't very long catching up should be well, easy. Filter diving makes it easier. Given that to get anything of substance requires constantly pushing him to respond to things, makes me see scum motivations.
Not saying he hasn't had migraines but I also remember people faking moving / random other life stuff as scum to avoid posting in game.
Chez is honestly a mixture of 2 things. Last few games ive played with him, as town, hes at least helpful in his flavour posting. You can clearly see what he wants. So far this game flavour wise, the only thing he has wanted to do was kill Andrezza. To drop a vote (never change said vote) and manage to make that specific person die is pretty lucky no? I may have bias because his steak cooking method made me die inside.
On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.
Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?
Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?
I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?
Shockey is certainly a plausible red.
Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1.
Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching.
Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.
Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"
Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.
MOM!!!
What is up with the pool!??!?
Why is it green? Why does it have a barbed wired fence around it?
You were defiling my kitchen again. Have to punish you somehow.
I will also state now. Regardless of his alignment. Chez's content is by far some of the most enjoyable posting of his I have seen in ages. Seeing a master troll work his art is actually amazing
On April 07 2020 09:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Shockeyy while being pressured is more answering questions while consistently reading to catch up. He has played in 20+ people games where by this point in time we'd have 200+ pages of content. He has experience in reading / being caught up in those games. So if you post 3-5 times in a 21 page game where the first 2ish pages are pregame / signups. So a 18-19 page game, 20 posts a page where most aren't very long catching up should be well, easy. Filter diving makes it easier. Given that to get anything of substance requires constantly pushing him to respond to things, makes me see scum motivations.
Not saying he hasn't had migraines but I also remember people faking moving / random other life stuff as scum to avoid posting in game.
Chez is honestly a mixture of 2 things. Last few games ive played with him, as town, hes at least helpful in his flavour posting. You can clearly see what he wants. So far this game flavour wise, the only thing he has wanted to do was kill Andrezza. To drop a vote (never change said vote) and manage to make that specific person die is pretty lucky no? I may have bias because his steak cooking method made me die inside.
Are you entertaining anyone else in the game as plausible mafia, or just those two?
1)In some insano world, you lynch me, then "town-BC" is captain of the ship heading into LYLO. You have one lynch. Who is more likely to flip mafia; Chez or Shockey?
2)Please link me games re: Chez meta that you are referencing.
3)How do you interpret this sequence by Jock:
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him?
I'm not saying that.
That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.
My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
On April 07 2020 09:41 Hapahauli wrote: 1)In some insano world, you lynch me, then "town-BC" is captain of the ship heading into LYLO. You have one lynch. Who is more likely to flip mafia; Chez or Shockey?
2)Please link me games re: Chez meta that you are referencing.
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him?
I'm not saying that.
That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.
My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote ##vote: shockeyy
as for your 1) At the moment I would say shockeyy. I will go dig up a game of chez being helpful some point in a few hours. Might take me a bit to find a good example.
3) TBH those posts are the biggest reason I said he could be mafia/bad. In no world does it make sense to say my top scumread is x then not vote for them. His list clearly said lynch in order of Hapa, Rels, Shockeyy, Trfel. Given that shockeyy didnt say anything to move himself up that list / mixed with the fact he included someone who hadn't posted anything at all as scummier than 2 players is well, a tell imo.
On April 07 2020 09:41 Hapahauli wrote: 1)In some insano world, you lynch me, then "town-BC" is captain of the ship heading into LYLO. You have one lynch. Who is more likely to flip mafia; Chez or Shockey?
2)Please link me games re: Chez meta that you are referencing.
3)How do you interpret this sequence by Jock:
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
On April 05 2020 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him?
I'm not saying that.
That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.
My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote ##vote: shockeyy
as for your 1) At the moment I would say shockeyy. I will go dig up a game of chez being helpful some point in a few hours. Might take me a bit to find a good example.
3) TBH those posts are the biggest reason I said he could be mafia/bad. In no world does it make sense to say my top scumread is x then not vote for them. His list clearly said lynch in order of Hapa, Rels, Shockeyy, Trfel. Given that shockeyy didnt say anything to move himself up that list / mixed with the fact he included someone who hadn't posted anything at all as scummier than 2 players is well, a tell imo.
2) One town game of Chez being helpful as town does not make a meta tell. You know this.
3) I wasn't clear in my question. Jock is dead, and it doesn't matter what your read on him was, or how you justified it for that matter. Knowing that he is mafia, what can we learn from that post about other players in this game?
On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough.
Also glad to see you still play exactly as my brain remembers you Vivax. Fast and loose. Like I was at 17 apparently.
So my memory is correct. BloodyC0bbler himself was suspicious of ShoCkeyy's entrance to the thread. Jockmcplop, BloodyC0bbler's townread at the time, was too.
This makes BloodyC0bbler's townread on ShoCkeyy early on even harder to understand.
I'm dumb, that's what you guys were talking about with the whole jarring thing. But on my phone I can't seem to find the conversation.
Just thinking out loud, which given the low number of posts in the thread is fine I believe.
Curious if anyone knows when Jockmcplop realized he was going to be lynched. I want to look at Jockmcplop's filter to try and get any hints to if there was an intentional bus play or not.
On April 07 2020 10:09 Hapahauli wrote: Still waiting for the results of your read-through Shockey...
Have you read anything in the thread so far that includes my name or have you ignored the past responses? I've been posting the results of my read through as I was active and responding to current questions.
The only other person that hasn't done much is Vivax, he hopped on that Hap casing Jock wagon really early, and then bounced for the night round, but that doesn't matter since you insta 100% towned him anyways. I think I've been active and willingly to answer questions, and give feedback. It may not be in full 10000 word posts but I'm active enough to help push town for a win given we make the right decisions.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels: 1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket? 2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket? 3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?
On April 07 2020 09:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Shockeyy while being pressured is more answering questions while consistently reading to catch up. He has played in 20+ people games where by this point in time we'd have 200+ pages of content. He has experience in reading / being caught up in those games. So if you post 3-5 times in a 21 page game where the first 2ish pages are pregame / signups. So a 18-19 page game, 20 posts a page where most aren't very long catching up should be well, easy. Filter diving makes it easier. Given that to get anything of substance requires constantly pushing him to respond to things, makes me see scum motivations.
Not saying he hasn't had migraines but I also remember people faking moving / random other life stuff as scum to avoid posting in game.
Chez is honestly a mixture of 2 things. Last few games ive played with him, as town, hes at least helpful in his flavour posting. You can clearly see what he wants. So far this game flavour wise, the only thing he has wanted to do was kill Andrezza. To drop a vote (never change said vote) and manage to make that specific person die is pretty lucky no? I may have bias because his steak cooking method made me die inside.
Funny, given that the the first game I played was one of yours, and it had +30 and only 40 pages. Half of what we have now, with less players, I was also one of the few townies that got lynched but guessed mafia correctly.
Given the current scale I think I'm doing a lot to contribute my feedback even though it seems like it's not taken seriously.
@BloodyC0bbler: Why did you townread ShoCkeyy early Day 1?
I know you already answered it here:
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
But to me, that doesn't make any sense. Given that you said that you didn't like his entrance:
On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough.
and your scumreads (Vivax, Hapahauli, and me) weren't focusing him at all. I looked at player filters to confirm this. I asked ShoCkeyy a few questions, but said my read on him was "exactly null." Vivax had ShoCkeyy had top scum for about 20 minutes, and quickly jumped away to focus on Jockmcplop. Hapahauli barely mentioned ShoCkeyy and didn't suggest he was mafia in the slightest.
So how did you arrive at this read? Because to me it doesn't add up.
On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels: 1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket? 2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket? 3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?
1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.
On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels: 1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket? 2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket? 3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?
1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.
On April 07 2020 10:36 Trfel wrote: I'm dumb, that's what you guys were talking about with the whole jarring thing. But on my phone I can't seem to find the conversation.
The "jarring" conversation between me and BC starts at post #224.
Just thinking out loud, which given the low number of posts in the thread is fine I believe.
Curious if anyone knows when Jockmcplop realized he was going to be lynched. I want to look at Jockmcplop's filter to try and get any hints to if there was an intentional bus play or not.
Looking at the thread, "19 hours ago" (according to TL timestamps) is when the 4th vote goes on Jock. There's no other voting activity on Jock, and he is lynched exactly on those votes. Jock and Shock (heheh) do vote for me subsequently.
Jock begins his entrance "17 hours ago", or post #241. He's reasonably active (and seemingly trying to live) until #276/#278, which are his last posts (town-reading BC):
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though.
He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads?
The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean.
Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea.
On April 06 2020 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: He said Vivax wasn't explaining his reads until he did, and his position changed on the list after that.
Yeah that checks out.
BC still a townread for me then.
He does have one last post at #334, but he has very obviously given up by then:
On April 07 2020 01:59 Jockmcplop wrote: trfel help
So there's roughly a 2.5 hour gap between his last "serious" post (read on BC) and the end of the game. A gap where I assume he had given up.
Given the relative lack of activity in the voting thread (suspicion pretty much immediately consolidating on Jock), I don't see much to gleam from this.
I'll take a look at the voting on Jock earlier in Day 1, but everyone seemed to go on him pretty early and hard from memory.
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
is raynpelikoneet's only post with actual mafia gameplay. Frivolous posts at this stage in the game are understandable, however even after this raynpelikoneet continues to talk about flavor. He didn't explain why ShoCkeyy's post felt weird to him, or try to ask ShoCkeyy any followup questions.
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.
Lucca Baby. I dont know if its love or the quarantine talking, but I like the cut of your olives.
Holy Italy is it you my love? :D
Of course my Dear. You filled me with a kid then made me fall in love with you because of the farm. Its not stockholm, its the real deal.
I should have known it of course. You cannot be possessed with those dark souls, no dark sould would crash my head against a pan repeatedly like you. That being said i am gonna have some dinner snacks and watch a movie with my other missus so i will be back in an hour or two.
Clearly, raynpellikoneet lied here. This is in dramatic contrast with the boredom and interest in playing the game he was trying to show earlier on.
Have fun!
You are probably town for this. I also think you are right on rayn but not for those reasons.,
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
I kinda understand where BloodyC0bbler is coming from to put Vivax at a scum lean at this point. He explained his townread on me (Trfel), and said he is suspicious of raynpelikoneet, and implied that he is suspicious of ShoCkeyy. But there were no reasons given for the last two.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
Just curious why do you think Trfel is town here? Do you have anything on anybody else yourself?
It's funny you quote a post where I explain why and ask for the why. There is enough content in the game already to form opinions, but you don't have any reads and want more content.
I don't know if you're just that confused and lazy at reading or just mafia.
On April 05 2020 17:20 Vivax wrote: Rayn, Shockeyy is probably scum. Also where Hapa seemed to intend to go with his posting.
On April 05 2020 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like.... why is he mafia? I don't understand?
He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree.
Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think?
I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive.
On April 05 2020 18:15 Vivax wrote: Fair enough, could use more Hapa in here anyway. But I still don't think the way Jock went after Trfel was townie.
On April 05 2020 18:56 Vivax wrote: BC in this case seems to just take positions beforehand and then attach whatever reasoning he can muster to justify them, posthum. Also scummy af.
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.
That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short.
But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear.
But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong.
(and a few more but you get the idea)
Admittedly, it seems like a reasonable change. I still struggle a little to see the initial read but if you accept the initial read, the reasons for the read to change do make sense.
I'll probably be out for a bit. That or looking at Jockmcplop's filter some more.
On April 05 2020 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like.... why is he mafia? I don't understand?
He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree.
Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think?
I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive.
A couple of hours later, Jock fucks up and posts his "read list into Shockey Vote", which draws some definite negative attention to it. Rayn points it out in his post:
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him?
I'm not saying that.
That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.
My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote ##vote: shockeyy
I gotta nap on it, but it looks like a thing to lynch for sure.
My vote, Vivax's vote, and Trefel's vote follow shortly thereafter.
The interesting tidbitds are: 1) Good lord Chez voted early. I find it pretty mind-melting to think that his "mafia-plan" was just to fuck it, insta-bus and peace out on his buddy. It's not like any of us would really blink if Chez switched his vote at any time later in the day. 2) The more I read Jock's "readlist into Shockey vote", the more it feels like an attempt to go after an easy lynchbait target vs. some malevolent attempt to bus his "teammate".
Thanks for the analysis Hapahauli. That makes sense to me. I guess given the circumstances it's not super meaningful I was hoping to see how other people's interactions changed around the time it seems like Jockmcplop gave up (like, if people went harder to push him then, it's more likely they were bussing, etc). But given that my biggest scumread, BloodyC0bbler, wasn't around at all during that time anyway, there's probably not too much to be learned from it.
Damn... mafia-Chez would be such a dick to have done that. He is random, but I do think he is nice at heart, hence the light humor he intersperses in our various game on the site.
On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels: 1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket? 2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket? 3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?
1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.
What bucket is Vivax in?
It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.
On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels: 1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket? 2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket? 3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?
1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.
What bucket is Vivax in?
It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.
To Devil's Advocate on your Vivax read, wouldn't him being last make him more townie?
In your analysis, this is a Hapa vs. Jock lynch. Vivax would have come in and essentially secured the lynch of his "scumbuddy" over a townie. Do you consider this a likely scenario for a mafia-Vivax? If so, why?
On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels: 1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket? 2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket? 3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?
1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.
What bucket is Vivax in?
It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.
Did you look at his voting pattern? To Devil's Advocate on your Vivax read, wouldn't him being last make him more townie?
In your analysis, this is a Hapa vs. Jock lynch. Vivax would have come in and essentially secured the lynch of his "scumbuddy" over a townie. Do you consider this a likely scenario for a mafia-Vivax? If so, why?
I stand corrected on Vivax - he was 3rd of the 4 people on the Wagon (Trfel being last).
That being said, you list three "reasons" to be skeptical of your town read: 1) He was "one of the last" on the Wagon. 2) He "dissappeared" after the D1 post 3) He "doesn't mind killing a town."
I still don't quite understand how 1 and 2 are mafia tells. Can you point out to me where he says 3?
On April 07 2020 09:41 Hapahauli wrote: 1)In some insano world, you lynch me, then "town-BC" is captain of the ship heading into LYLO. You have one lynch. Who is more likely to flip mafia; Chez or Shockey?
2)Please link me games re: Chez meta that you are referencing.
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him?
I'm not saying that.
That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up.
My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote ##vote: shockeyy
As you are looking for things you can extrapolate.
1, at the time of this post you were still in the lead for votes (I think, ill admit I could be wrong here) and as such he didnt want to hammer vote his team mate. This would mean however that he was bussed by his teammate fairly early in the game.
2. Shockeyy could be simple lynchbait, or that he was attempting to set him up to look that way so that people won't off his mafia buddy.
3. Trfel was someone he suspected but never went full attack dog on as to keep a mafia buddy alive / didnt want to stand out because Vivax was defending him.
4. all 4 of his reads were utter trash and all people within it are innocent and the real mafia is somewhere between Me, Vivax, Rayn, Chez. One could argue priority on me and Vivax as we are the two he said were fully town in his eyes.
those are the 4 major points id conclude. Issue being without fully knowing his mindset you have no idea which option is the correct one.
On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough.
and your scumreads (Vivax, Hapahauli, and me) weren't focusing him at all. I looked at player filters to confirm this. I asked ShoCkeyy a few questions, but said my read on him was "exactly null." Vivax had ShoCkeyy had top scum for about 20 minutes, and quickly jumped away to focus on Jockmcplop. Hapahauli barely mentioned ShoCkeyy and didn't suggest he was mafia in the slightest.
So how did you arrive at this read? Because to me it doesn't add up.
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue...
On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis.
I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point.
Anything game related?
I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related.
On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy feels weird.
Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.
That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad.
I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
Have you finished your chores yet?
And out of curiosity, did you confirm?
I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game?
Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?
Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior?
Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that.
That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment?
It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least.
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Now toss in the fact he was receiving pressure for multiple players, two of which I thought at the time were far worse looking means I will move my general read from say Null to leaning town.
On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels: 1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket? 2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket? 3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?
1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.
What bucket is Vivax in?
It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.
I don't know what game you are reading. Prove me wrong that I called out Jock first right after my Trfel townread. You are making this about a vote position when everyone who would have been mafia on the Jock wagon had the hammer to lynch Hapa instead. Jock wagon is 200% all town.
Most posts after day end didn't make me feel like I had to chime in and I was relaxing after the kinda tense EoD before going to bed. And right now, BC looks townier to me, while you just look like superscum at this point.
On April 05 2020 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just gonna say Vivax, if you think i would ever as mafia townread someone for absolutely nothing (i have weird reasons - for other people - to townread people at times as either alignment, but for nothing is not one of them), i dont think you know me that well. This is not even saying i can't be mafia it's just saying that reasoning of yours is absolutely idiotic.
But it wasn't an explicit townread, you just said there were only townies in the thread.
As for the other stuff, not convinced of Hapa, there's just too little in his filter to be able to jump to a conclusion. Needs to post more, until then null. And if you think his filter is alignment indicative already you are bad or mafia imo.
As for Jock, he really didn't do much besides sort of tunneling Trfel. There's this which could be regarded as looking at something else besides Trfel but it's just a whole bunch of nothing and also looks bad.
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
It's like he thinks Shockey should look scummy but is afraid to say he thinks he does.
On April 07 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Vivax, why does BloodyC0bbler look townier now?
He's fluid in his re-evaluation and I like that he picked up on Shockeyyy's 'catch-up' being a tad too slow and disinterested for a game of this size, but especially disinterested. At EoD I was thinking myself of how we used to have D1s with 50-100 pages and then there's him struggling with 20 pages and trying to get peeps to vote Hapa.
Also because Shockeyy is climbing the olymp to mr. superscum much faster by flailing around posting disinformation.
I mean, try-hard hapa always supports more discussion. I don't think there are downsides to posting what you think, especially since this is an all VT game (no blue snipes), and this isn't exactly the most active game in the world.
Fine. First of all i mostly wanted to play with you so i am annoyed at what you did during the eod1, regardless the out outcome. So fuck you for that.
I tend to play differently than other people. I dont like games where you lynch the low volume posters and most likely win. That translates towards me trying to figure out the "high-profile" mafia players over random lurk-shit-scum, if you know what i mean. That additionally translates to me being super bad and going ham on people like Palmar when they play a low-post-count play (which i am not used to that much) but are right. That's also why i don't play anymore, i can't justify me playing and trying to put shit together just to find out we lost because 20 people didnt play and 6 of those we lynched were townies. Idk if you can see my pov but yeah, that's it.
Talking about people who did bad shit without reason.
I think your case on BC is good, the way he handles shockeyy in comparison to his other scumreads that "talked but didn't contribute anything towards the game". I might have missed your point on D1 or you might have not made it clear enough, but i don't care. It's a good case and BC is probably mafia and i am just super bad this game.
If it is not BC it's gonna be shockeyy, i genuinely find it "why the fuck would mafia do that????" kind of thing when he needed to justify his vote on you over Jock, but if we talk about things that make no sense then yeah that makes no fucking sense at all. Why would anyone ever NOT want to vote for their scumread over another person if the other person is not that scummy?
Third is Trfel. There are things that are just plain out bad. No matter how his case on me was, it was based on "yo rayn isn't playing like this in situation X but i dont know how rayn plays in situation X"... Why.... how can you even say that?
I know there is one mafia left and at least two of those people are town, it's fucked up for me because of what i tend to do and how i form my scumreads. I tend to think people make the best choices available and for... or like if i think about Jock, the mafia has to be you (or Trfel), because that's the correct play as mafia. Basically you're never gonna lose.
But dumbass logic (that's often right) says BC -> Shockeyy.
Chezinu is super town, i agree on what you said on him 12312313%. No bus there. You're probably town too. Vivax is town and i think he is faking a read on BC atm just to stay alive, which is dumb but hey he does that.
On April 07 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote: BloodyCobber looks the worst to me for three reasons: 1) As I mentioned on Day 1, his Shockey read was pulled out of his ass, and is inconsistent with his approach to the game and general townie paranoia. 2) His behavior around Jock and the lynch, at face value, are very pro-Mafia. 3) His post activity surrounding Jock are again, at face value, consistent with an uncoordinated and unsophisticated mafia team.
The Read on Shockey
I'm just going to re-summarize my case for the sake of completeness, and hopefully give some people who were discounting my initial words some more clarity on why I felt as strongly as I did.
Playing as mafia is about creating an illusion of contribution. Contributing to discussion without actually contributing. Taking bold and hard stances without actually taking a risk. Covering your interactions with your partner just enough to avoid suspicion, while allowing you to coordinate with each other towards mafia objectives.
In addition, mafia also play with extra information. They know who's town. Whereas townies often display paranoia, since they are constantly uncertain, especially in the early game.
With these two points in mind, take a look at BC's read list.
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Town Bloodyc0bbler
Leaning town Shockeyy Jockmcplop
Null Chezinu Rayn Rels
Lean scum Vivax
Scum Trfel Hapa
Firstly, considering what Shockey had done until this point in the game, a slight-town read is not consistent with a paranoid town mindset. Take a look at Shockey's filter and look from the beginning to post #117. There's very little in there. So much so that multiple players were making remarks that Shockey was just coasting along and not contributing much. BC later even acknowledges this and re-bumps Shockey down to null, likely in an attempt to save face (spoilerized below).
Instead, his first read list is consistent with a mafia-mindset who knows that Shockey is town, and is naturally not-all-that-suspicious.
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town Rayn Vivax
Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu
Lean scum Jock trfel
Scum Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
Secondly, and as explained before, the whole rationale behind the read is contrived bullshit. For that, we need to look at the "story" that BloodyCobbler is trying to tell about his town play. BloodyCobber is telling the story that he is reading player filters for the content that they are posting. He considers "substanceless" posting indicative of a mafia tell. Examples are abound:
On April 05 2020 15:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: His posts scream posting for sake of posting. Asking questions is great, but only if followed by content. I dont like what ive seen thus far.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?
What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.
On April 05 2020 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC i don't really think there is much chance of Vivax being mafia.
Its why I have him as a scum lean. Play I dislike / view as bad (not saying it is the wrong way to play just that i dont like it) makes me lower you down until you do something that stands out. I am merely waiting for it. He has been more active since my original read, but he still needs to give real content to the thread.
... this post on vivax is suggestive that his "method" of early-game tells is just to look for people who seem "contentless" and re-evaluate them as the game goes on. He is willing to cast suspicion on play that he "dislike[s] / view[s] as bad" early on.
Given this mentality of reading for "substanceless posting", it is then inconceivable from a town-BC perspective that he would read Shockey's filter and come out with slightly town. Again, see Shockeyy's filter to post #117:
There is NO. FUCKING. WAY. That he could genuinely read Shockey as having any substance. Therefore his read is bullshit. Mafia attempting to contribute bullshit reads, and thereby not contributing. Playing with extra information, and therefore knowing that Shockey is town rather than being suspicious of him.
Mafia-wise, I think we're pretty on the same page. I'm checking and double checking my suspicions, but it always comes back to BC.
Chez we agree on.
Vivax we agree on.
Shockey is certainly plausible, but I still find myself highly prefering BC. There are any number of ways to "make him look bad". He's super wishy-washy around the deadline, has a lot of difficulty producing hard reads, "Shock and Jock" both is an awesome scum-team name and their play is consistent with an uncoordinated scum-team... etc. But there are also some big points in his favor: 1) I've looked through his scum games, and he doesn't seem to have any problem developing hard reads on people. In fact, they are more prevalent throughout his games as mafia. 2) Jock's read on Shock appears much more scum-tunneling-town than scum-bussing-scum. 3) I gave Shock a lot of rope to develop a hard read, and he stayed very wishy-washy. I interpret this as genuine town confusion, and I'd expect mafia to take the "easy" way out and develop a hard read on BC.
I do need to look at Trfel, but on play alone, he has been so damn earnest with some of his posting.
On April 07 2020 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine. First of all i mostly wanted to play with you so i am annoyed at what you did during the eod1, regardless the out outcome. So fuck you for that.
I tend to play differently than other people. I dont like games where you lynch the low volume posters and most likely win. That translates towards me trying to figure out the "high-profile" mafia players over random lurk-shit-scum, if you know what i mean. That additionally translates to me being super bad and going ham on people like Palmar when they play a low-post-count play (which i am not used to that much) but are right. That's also why i don't play anymore, i can't justify me playing and trying to put shit together just to find out we lost because 20 people didnt play and 6 of those we lynched were townies. Idk if you can see my pov but yeah, that's it.
Talking about people who did bad shit without reason.
I think your case on BC is good, the way he handles shockeyy in comparison to his other scumreads that "talked but didn't contribute anything towards the game". I might have missed your point on D1 or you might have not made it clear enough, but i don't care. It's a good case and BC is probably mafia and i am just super bad this game.
If it is not BC it's gonna be shockeyy, i genuinely find it "why the fuck would mafia do that????" kind of thing when he needed to justify his vote on you over Jock, but if we talk about things that make no sense then yeah that makes no fucking sense at all. Why would anyone ever NOT want to vote for their scumread over another person if the other person is not that scummy?
Third is Trfel. There are things that are just plain out bad. No matter how his case on me was, it was based on "yo rayn isn't playing like this in situation X but i dont know how rayn plays in situation X"... Why.... how can you even say that?
I know there is one mafia left and at least two of those people are town, it's fucked up for me because of what i tend to do and how i form my scumreads. I tend to think people make the best choices available and for... or like if i think about Jock, the mafia has to be you (or Trfel), because that's the correct play as mafia. Basically you're never gonna lose.
But dumbass logic (that's often right) says BC -> Shockeyy.
Chezinu is super town, i agree on what you said on him 12312313%. No bus there. You're probably town too. Vivax is town and i think he is faking a read on BC atm just to stay alive, which is dumb but hey he does that.
Feeeeeels.
It's funny thinking back to "ye-old-days of TL Mafia" circa 2014-15. There's part of me that expects to go into these games, roll town, and everyone insta-sheeps me and believes I'm town. But I don't remember or appreciate the crazy effort I put into those games until I start posting and then the "goddamnit why did I do this I have a life now" starts to enter my head. Then the hapa-meta cases drop and well... it goes downhill from there.
I had gone into D1 this game trying to channel my inner Palmar, which I have realized doesn't exist.
On April 07 2020 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine. First of all i mostly wanted to play with you so i am annoyed at what you did during the eod1, regardless the out outcome. So fuck you for that.
That's totally my bad, and I am sorry.
At the same time, I don't think I have the sanity to do what I used to do as town anymore. Mafia used to be a stress outlet, and I think I've found much healthier ways of expressing that outside of the forum.
I tend to play differently than other people. I dont like games where you lynch the low volume posters and most likely win. That translates towards me trying to figure out the "high-profile" mafia players over random lurk-shit-scum, if you know what i mean. That additionally translates to me being super bad and going ham on people like Palmar when they play a low-post-count play (which i am not used to that much) but are right. That's also why i don't play anymore, i can't justify me playing and trying to put shit together just to find out we lost because 20 people didnt play and 6 of those we lynched were townies. Idk if you can see my pov but yeah, that's it.
Oh yeah. That's definitely what you do. It's also the exact opposite of what I do. I have a very risk-averse approach to town and tend to go for low hanging fruit. But I do think that has helped us team up well over the years.
You are also right about the "optimal play is to bus" thing. This lynch looks very different in the old days. There was this part of my mind that looked at Jocks posting as "too scummy to be scum... he can't be THAT blatant... can he?"
But we're in a different age with different players. I'll just treat this like mafiascum.net until proven otherwise
it's like he is overplaying everything, i need to check how he even ended up on jock, because i remember his saying he is suspicious but doesnt want to vote but maybe vote too...
On April 06 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote: Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning
Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know
##vote Jockmcplop
May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon.
On April 06 2020 19:29 Trfel wrote: I have no freaking clue I could see you guys being right and Hapahauli being mafia, I could even more easily see Jockmcplop being town, but really it would just be a trust vote because I don't fully understand it Gonna try and sleep and worry about it in the morning.
Raynpelikoneet, would you mind explaining why Hapahauli's scumread on BloodyC0bbler is so bad?
I could even more easily see Jockmcplop being town (as hapa being mafia), but really it would just be a trust vote because I don't fully understand it.
On April 08 2020 00:23 Hapahauli wrote: Devils advocate: If you're going to bus there, why not go harder? Surely mafia will go for at least some amount of "townie cred" in that spot?
I think i have entertained that with every fucking voter on jock and lol, i get only "it's a good day to bus by rayn's mafia 101"
Out of curiosity, how (and when) does scum-Rayn bus Jock? What's the play, what do you communicate to him in the QT, and what are you generally posting in the thread?
On April 08 2020 00:26 Hapahauli wrote: Out of curiosity, how (and when) does scum-Rayn bus Jock? What's the play, what do you communicate to him in the QT, and what are you generally posting in the thread?
Always, after the vote on shockeyy I can give you an example (not jock though but similar) gimme a sec
Like a deep part of me really wants to believe that this whole game is your magnum opus as scum, but I look at Jocks filter and cannot see any level of sophistication there.
On April 08 2020 00:29 Hapahauli wrote: So basically, you're assuming he is irredeemable after the Shockey vote and hard-shipping him unless thread sentiment wildly changes?
You are brainfucking yourselves too much over overcomplicated theories. That's all there is to it, been there done that.
No I don't fake that Shockeyyy is my top scumread over BC just to stay alive. He is. You guys just have a really hard time seeing that he is mafia. Dnu why.
He really just didn't do anything that had a semblance of having an opinion for 3/4th of D1 but keeps claiming he did and now he's just posting stuff that makes it look like he just skims a bit and then posts stuff out of thin air like it suits him. Plus he was begging me to see something scummy about Hapa at the end of D1. I mean, he tried and shit.
On April 08 2020 00:38 Vivax wrote: You are brainfucking yourselves too much over overcomplicated theories. That's all there is to it, been there done that.
No I don't fake that Shockeyyy is my top scumread over BC just to stay alive. He is. You guys just have a really hard time seeing that he is mafia. Dnu why.
He really just didn't do anything that had a semblance of having an opinion for 3/4th of D1 but keeps claiming he did and now he's just posting stuff that makes it look like he just skims a bit and then posts stuff out of thin air like it suits him. Plus he was begging me to see something scummy about Hapa at the end of D1. I mean, he tried and shit.
well you kinda townread BC after Hapa gave even better reasons to scunmread him.
On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: I have read all of your posts Shock.
Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.
So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels: 1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket? 2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket? 3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?
1) rayn, hap, trfel 2) bloodycobbler, chezinu 3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.
What bucket is Vivax in?
It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.
I don't know what game you are reading. Prove me wrong that I called out Jock first right after my Trfel townread. You are making this about a vote position when everyone who would have been mafia on the Jock wagon had the hammer to lynch Hapa instead. Jock wagon is 200% all town.
Most posts after day end didn't make me feel like I had to chime in and I was relaxing after the kinda tense EoD before going to bed. And right now, BC looks townier to me, while you just look like superscum at this point.
On April 05 2020 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just gonna say Vivax, if you think i would ever as mafia townread someone for absolutely nothing (i have weird reasons - for other people - to townread people at times as either alignment, but for nothing is not one of them), i dont think you know me that well. This is not even saying i can't be mafia it's just saying that reasoning of yours is absolutely idiotic.
But it wasn't an explicit townread, you just said there were only townies in the thread.
As for the other stuff, not convinced of Hapa, there's just too little in his filter to be able to jump to a conclusion. Needs to post more, until then null. And if you think his filter is alignment indicative already you are bad or mafia imo.
As for Jock, he really didn't do much besides sort of tunneling Trfel. There's this which could be regarded as looking at something else besides Trfel but it's just a whole bunch of nothing and also looks bad.
On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
It's like he thinks Shockey should look scummy but is afraid to say he thinks he does.
Btw now I can imagine the why of this.
This seems to be the gist of your suspicions on Shock, combined with the following:
On April 07 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Vivax, why does BloodyC0bbler look townier now?
He's fluid in his re-evaluation and I like that he picked up on Shockeyyy's 'catch-up' being a tad too slow and disinterested for a game of this size, but especially disinterested. At EoD I was thinking myself of how we used to have D1s with 50-100 pages and then there's him struggling with 20 pages and trying to get peeps to vote Hapa.
Also because Shockeyy is climbing the olymp to mr. superscum much faster by flailing around posting disinformation.
So you think Shock is more likely to flip mafia for three reasons: 1) BC looks townier from his recent posting; 2) Shock is posting "disinformation"; 3) Shock is promising to "catch-up" a ton but not really following through in a satisfying manner;
I get that, and understand why it is suspicious. However, I have looked rather extensively at Shock's previous town/mafia games this morning. He's lynchbaity in all of his games, but definitely shows enough competence as mafia (see the QT's I linked) to tell people what they want to hear and give concrete suspicions.
So all in all, I don't really see 2 and 3 as damning.
I also don't see how BC has been "fluid" at all with his reads.
His reads post tunnels me for sure, but he spends a lot of time in his posts: a) "hedging" (repeated statements of "I could be wrong"), and; b) establishing platforms to be suspicious of Chez and Shock.
I'm also not all that impressed by his analysis. He pitched last night's conversation between him and I as a "mutual" attempt to get reads from each other, but only really spent time pleasing me by answering my questions. He pitched very few questions to me, if at all.
tbh i dont care about what BC has said. It looks town to me, except what i quoted from your case Hapa. I dont care if he talked at point X or talked about person A. This is the case, on premises of "the read on shockeyy".
After the shocking reveal of Andrezza's corruption and death, Michela sat down on the ground, in shock. Lucca couldn't believe what happened. He lost, at the same time, both his mother and his daughter. He looked into his son's eyes, in a mix of hatred and understanding. Although little Lucca Gallo found out the corrupted soul, he had the guts to stab his own sister in her back. What kind of sociopath he could be raising? Before he could even recover from that loss, Rafaello, as the lawyer he is, asked for everybody's attention and brought a big case on how the Gallo Ricci family would probably be the origin of corruption, and how Michela's reaction to everything felt off. Michela was probably the other corrupted soul and should be dealt with. "What!?", screamed Lucca furiously at his brother. "Are you out of your mind? Why are you trying to kill my family?". The brothers rivalry became unbearable. Suspicions were brought everywhere, and they couldn't agree with anything. Rafaello then said: "either your wife dies or you guys kill me". "Fine", said Lucca, "we kill you then". Antonio, who was silently watching everything, finally got into the discussion: We had enough today. You both are not thinking rationally. Go to sleep and we will solve this tomorrow. "How come the kid knew who was corrupted?" - Fiona asked. "I've read her diary" - said Lucca Gallo, "and she was not acting like herself at all". Fiona opened her mouth to say more, but Antonio interrupted: "I think you're talking too much. Go to sleep. We will figure this out tomorrow". She silently, but reluctantly, agreed. "Can I have Andrezza's room tonight?" the Lucca boy asked his father. Lucca, torn between protecting his son from the rest of his family or protecting his wife from his own child, agreed. "Take what you need to spend the night and lock the door. We don't know what might happen at night". He was right. While Lucca Gallo was recording videos of balloon popping, furniture fixing and pandemic safety tips, a loud scream came from the bathroom. Mario got out of his bedroom with his Luger to find Antonio's body lying on the ground, lifeless. All his veins were colored in scarlet hue.
Antonio Ricci, the slob. 40 years and still living with parents, but no job at all. All he does is wake up, turn on his videogame and play until it is dark. But he is always ready to help the family if they need it. Mario is not feeling well? He will make a tea and call the doctor. Francesca is sad? He will talk to her until she feels well. Unfortunately, his unsuccessful life makes the other family members minimize all his efforts, making him less eager to get his life together. Snowballing, it is.
Deadline for Day 2 is Thursday, Apr 09 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
I just spent the last 30 mins watching Chez videos not realizing the D2 post was coming up soon... and sadly my town lean on vivax was actually correct, I was tin foiling too much
Looking/thinking about Vivax posts, he was pushing BC, Trfel (very early then switched him to a town read instantly), Rayn, then mostly me.
So if it came down to it, it definitely has to be between BC, Rayn or Trfel. BC in all honesty being the scummiest one of them. If I look at myself, I already know I'm town, but Vivax filter tries to paint me as mafia which could have been a push to paint me as lynch bait.
BC right now is in my lynch pile, and in the next hour I'll have my vote on him after we discuss Chez since he was my second highest lynch target. I'm looking more into Trfel to see if I see any kind of slip ups.
Have you watched the Chez videos? Thoughts on Chez?
On April 08 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: How does Vivax try to paint you as scum?
It's his last post, BC was his prior highest scum read.
On April 08 2020 00:38 Vivax wrote: You are brainfucking yourselves too much over overcomplicated theories. That's all there is to it, been there done that.
No I don't fake that Shockeyyy is my top scumread over BC just to stay alive. He is. You guys just have a really hard time seeing that he is mafia. Dnu why.
He really just didn't do anything that had a semblance of having an opinion for 3/4th of D1 but keeps claiming he did and now he's just posting stuff that makes it look like he just skims a bit and then posts stuff out of thin air like it suits him. Plus he was begging me to see something scummy about Hapa at the end of D1. I mean, he tried and shit.
On April 08 2020 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you think Chezinu is mafia?
Because no one else thinks he is, even though he's literally just put a lot of effort (i guess) into his videos. No one would suspect of a mafia member wanting to put that much effort into the game.
On April 08 2020 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you think Chezinu is mafia?
Because no one else thinks he is, even though he's literally just put a lot of effort (i guess) into his videos. No one would suspect of a mafia member wanting to put that much effort into the game.
On April 08 2020 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you think Chezinu is mafia?
Because no one else thinks he is, even though he's literally just put a lot of effort (i guess) into his videos. No one would suspect of a mafia member wanting to put that much effort into the game.
you think chezinu is mafia because noone else does?
Can you answer my other question before I answer yours? No one seems to be interacting with his videos, while everyone auto assumes he's town, that's mafia dream right there. I definitely think BC is more mafia than Chez at this point, but you never know.
On April 08 2020 03:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: Can you answer my other question before I answer yours? No one seems to be interacting with his videos, while everyone auto assumes he's town, that's mafia dream right there. I definitely think BC is more mafia than Chez at this point, but you never know.
On April 08 2020 02:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: Have you watched his videos Rayn? If you put the play speed at 2.0 he looks like a coked out mafia gang member.
okay so? does that make him mafia or what?
I feel like I'm always repeating myself in these games.
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.
On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote: Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?
When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?
Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote: The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
On April 08 2020 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Have you been reading at all? I think i have been very clear in who i think is mafia.
You made it very clear you think quite a few people are mafia. Your most recent reads include BC/Trfel. I just wanted to make sure you changed your read on Hap is all.
On April 08 2020 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Have you been reading at all? I think i have been very clear in who i think is mafia.
You made it very clear you think quite a few people are mafia. Your most recent reads include BC/Trfel. I just wanted to make sure you changed your read on Hap is all.
when do you think i changed my read on hapa? can you give me like a post of mine that you think "oh it happens here"?
On April 08 2020 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Have you been reading at all? I think i have been very clear in who i think is mafia.
You made it very clear you think quite a few people are mafia. Your most recent reads include BC/Trfel. I just wanted to make sure you changed your read on Hap is all.
when do you think i changed my read on hapa? can you give me like a post of mine that you think "oh it happens here"?
Here:
On April 08 2020 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think BC is gonna die tomorrow no matter what but i think it is Trfel. No mtter how scummy shockeyy is, i would expect better from Trfel.
That's why I asked, I just assumed you and Hap are aligned after casing BC, which also shows a change in read. You were very adamant on Hap still being mafia here
On April 07 2020 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: na-ah. In every way i look at this Hapahauli is still mafia.
But I always figured you were town over Hap. I take your reasoning much heavier than Hap in the long run only because I know you play a great town game, and we've played together before.
On April 08 2020 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also come on man pls if youre town, pls dont murder yourself i almost cant NOT find shit on other people over you...
I mean in every game we played together, you know my style. Everyone always has a reason to lynch me but I always turn up town, and in all seriousness; I'm just a paranoid town.
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?
My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
Who are your top towns?
raynpelikoneet Chezinu BloodyC0bbler Trfel
OOC:
rayn,
I already asked shocky why he thought I was mafia town. I already questioned if the thread was read.
On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you?
My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
Who are your top towns?
raynpelikoneet Chezinu BloodyC0bbler Trfel
OOC:
rayn,
I already asked shocky why he thought I was mafia town. I already questioned if the thread was read.
I have no idea what you are talking about son.. Maybe it is too much wine talking or something else, but i love you son <3
On April 08 2020 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: i think i am gonna fuck off for the rest of shit. i made up my mind. i think trfel is mafia. got it or got it not. ggnore.
On April 08 2020 09:35 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just finished my meetings for today, have a possible D&D setup today, yet this game is so quiet. Anybody around?
On April 08 2020 09:35 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just finished my meetings for today, have a possible D&D setup today, yet this game is so quiet. Anybody around?
On April 08 2020 09:35 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just finished my meetings for today, have a possible D&D setup today, yet this game is so quiet. Anybody around?
Lucca Gallo Here!
Was the pool video related to your mom? Is that your interpretation about BC?
Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.
On April 08 2020 15:33 Chezinu wrote: Aunt Fiona never liked Andrezza.
Going to bed but this was one of the reasons why I asked rayn if he’s also playing the lore. If we were, technically Fiona and Andrezza couldn’t be a team.
On April 08 2020 15:33 Chezinu wrote: Aunt Fiona never liked Andrezza.
Going to bed but this was one of the reasons why I asked rayn if he’s also playing the lore. If we were, technically Fiona and Andrezza couldn’t be a team.
Lucca Gallo here. The evil spirits are real! Look what I found written in Andrezza's diary!
I do not believe that our bodily disdain for one another would hinder them from using us in unity. What if our hatred for one another stems not only from ourselves, but can be encouraged or generated by these outer dimensional beings? What if they want us to hate one another for their own desires?
Some have said that these beings leech on us as parasites. But what if we are the parasites in their world and they just enter ours to control the ripples of destruction emitted by our essence? What better way to eliminate the ripples than to have the sources destroy one another?
I must continue to look into this. How can I harm my family if I isolate myself? I will continue to research this dimensional interference. I spoke with Uncle Antonio about this. He believes in the spirits and stated that he has been isolating himself. He spends in nights researching the other dimensions on his dual screen computer while playing video games. He said on the dark web that this coronavirus could have entered our world through a nanosized wormhole created by these outer beings. I am not to sure about this. While Antonio searches the internet for the latest information, I will dive in the books of the past, for if these beings are interfering now, surely they have in the past. I have a better grasp of the past than the present.
On April 08 2020 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.
On April 08 2020 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.
I'm not your biggest scumread?
He literally posted a little bit before this that he was voting me. I don't get what is it with townie people just not reading the thread.
On April 08 2020 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.
I'm not your biggest scumread?
He literally posted a little bit before this that he was voting me. I don't get what is it with townie people just not reading the thread.
I know that he voted you.
I'm curious about the gap in explanation. I was his indisputably top scumread last night. Now I am not, and there is no explanation for why.
On April 08 2020 15:33 Chezinu wrote: Aunt Fiona never liked Andrezza.
Going to bed but this was one of the reasons why I asked rayn if he’s also playing the lore. If we were, technically Fiona and Andrezza couldn’t be a team.
Lucca Gallo here. The evil spirits are real! Look what I found written in Andrezza's diary!
I do not believe that our bodily disdain for one another would hinder them from using us in unity. What if our hatred for one another stems not only from ourselves, but can be encouraged or generated by these outer dimensional beings? What if they want us to hate one another for their own desires?
Some have said that these beings leech on us as parasites. But what if we are the parasites in their world and they just enter ours to control the ripples of destruction emitted by our essence? What better way to eliminate the ripples than to have the sources destroy one another?
I must continue to look into this. How can I harm my family if I isolate myself? I will continue to research this dimensional interference. I spoke with Uncle Antonio about this. He believes in the spirits and stated that he has been isolating himself. He spends in nights researching the other dimensions on his dual screen computer while playing video games. He said on the dark web that this coronavirus could have entered our world through a nanosized wormhole created by these outer beings. I am not to sure about this. While Antonio searches the internet for the latest information, I will dive in the books of the past, for if these beings are interfering now, surely they have in the past. I have a better grasp of the past than the present.
Antonio? Who's Antonio? You thinking they might be the other mafia?
On April 08 2020 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.
I'm not your biggest scumread?
He literally posted a little bit before this that he was voting me. I don't get what is it with townie people just not reading the thread.
I know that he voted you.
I'm curious about the gap in explanation. I was his indisputably top scumread last night. Now I am not, and there is no explanation for why.
His explanation for me was literally one paragraph on how I'm more active after being pressured which I think is normal in every mafia game with every player, town or mafia.
If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.
Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.
HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.
Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.
Also worth noting that today is the only day we can make this play. It is too risky to do it at a potential LYLO, since mafia can "volunteer" to modkill himself but last minute hammer.
On April 09 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote: Thinking out loud...
If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.
Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.
HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.
Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.
Thoughts?
Yeah, no, same exact reaction to this post I did to Jock.
Well you likely have an alterior motive to dismiss it out of hand.
But from a "town BC" perspective, there are 3 players that could be mafia in this game: Shockey, myself, and Chez. It is simply impossible to lynch all three unless we employ a modkill strategy.
So from town BC perspective, why it is not a hypothetically bad idea for me to modkill myself?
Double lynches in general are very pro-town. So why not have town vote to kill one player, and maybe have a secondary vote count to have someone modkill themselves as the second "lynch"?
I'm all ears if you want to give me a reason for why you think its stupid.
On April 09 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote: Thinking out loud...
If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.
Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.
HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.
Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.
Thoughts?
Yeah, no, same exact reaction to this post I did to Jock.
FYI, not the same reaction. You didn't vote Jock on Day 1
On April 09 2020 05:01 Hapahauli wrote: Also worth noting that today is the only day we can make this play. It is too risky to do it at a potential LYLO, since mafia can "volunteer" to modkill himself but last minute hammer.
You shouldnt do the play ever, period, over.
regardless of my alignment this is not something you do. I get you are trying to "double lynch" to make it easier for tomorrow. The issue is you are aiming to do it by rule exploiting to get modkills. You never fucking exploit modkills to win games period. Maybe this is the former host in me, but if you pulled this shit when I played a ton it wouldnt just merit a ban on the banlist it would be way more severe.
The entire idea is completely disrespectful to glowingbear so just straight out fuck off with modkill shit like this.
I can respect a moral difference of opinion on the matter. From my perspective (and as a former host of many games myself), if its in the rules, its fair game.
On April 09 2020 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Well you likely have an alterior motive to dismiss it out of hand.
But from a "town BC" perspective, there are 3 players that could be mafia in this game: Shockey, myself, and Chez. It is simply impossible to lynch all three unless we employ a modkill strategy.
So from town BC perspective, why it is not a hypothetically bad idea for me to modkill myself?
Dude given how this entire game day has gone I could make a point for literally every player in the game to be scum. The general level of straight out apathy that has been caused it to be borderline impossible to fully figure out. Its not my fault you helped (myself, and a few others included) create a clusterfuck situation no one feels the need / want to play in. Regardless when you get this close to MYLO this is always the issue. Its part of the game. Trying to game the system this way is just wrong.
Also you might as well (if you are town) go and re-read the thread Hap. I am town and when you see my flip you should have your new list of reads figured out
I know I haven't posted much, just feels like nothing has changed. Really hope BloodyC0bbler is mafia, otherwise things will likely get rough in MYLO. I'll see if I can re-evaluate briefly but idk if anything will change.
Let me know if anyone wants to talk about anything.
Michela Gallo Ricci is married to Lucca Ricci. She is from a rich family, the Gallo’s, that own a farm that produces one of the finest olive oils of the world. She got pregnant from Lucca when she was 17, although she wasn’t sure if she was in love at that time. But, well, a kid will lead to a marriage. And the marriage led to love. Sometimes, love comes after. That’s what happened here. She now works with him at the restaurant, and takes care of the children at home. But, well, her family is always with her, and her snob friends sometimes are a bit of a pain in the ass to the rest of the family. At least they don’t have to spend much with olive oil, right?
So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.
I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.
Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.
ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not
I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).
On April 10 2020 02:18 Hapahauli wrote: I don't see an option other than Shockey.
Rayn, talk to me about your Trfel read when you get the chance.
Purely because of Chezinu's vote on Jockmcplop?
Maybe I'm tinfoiling too much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I could see it coming from mafia. Still a useful point but yeah, Chezinu is so unpredictable...
On April 10 2020 02:18 Hapahauli wrote: I don't see an option other than Shockey.
Rayn, talk to me about your Trfel read when you get the chance.
Purely because of Chezinu's vote on Jockmcplop?
Maybe I'm tinfoiling too much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I could see it coming from mafia. Still a useful point but yeah, Chezinu is so unpredictable...
Not so much the vote itself, but the context of the vote and the implication at how much of a dick Chez would have to be to have done it.
On April 08 2020 02:31 Hapahauli wrote: My thoughts on Chez:
He seems to a lot of doubt about his reads, it's like he is "clueless" to some level which doesn't seem to line up with his games as mafia where he actually makes cases and shit.
On April 10 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: He seems to a lot of doubt about his reads, it's like he is "clueless" to some level which doesn't seem to line up with his games as mafia where he actually makes cases and shit.
Couldn't the same be said about Trfel ("cluelessness")?
I am also fucking stupid because i had a really good case on jock on D1 and then i decided to get drunk. I asked all the right questions and he gave all the shit answers...
On April 10 2020 02:15 Trfel wrote: So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.
I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.
Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.
ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not
I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).
Did Trfel just oust himself? He claimed all of the four remaining players aside from himself are town...
On April 10 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: He seems to a lot of doubt about his reads, it's like he is "clueless" to some level which doesn't seem to line up with his games as mafia where he actually makes cases and shit.
Couldn't the same be said about Trfel ("cluelessness")?
Like i literally talked about this after last game where i hydraed with Chezinu..
On April 03 2020 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: "I think main thign to watch now is what Trfel thinks of us. Day 1 we wanted to save both him and Kelsier, and lynch GB or Sentinel. D2 we wanted to lynch GB or Sentinel (where we voted doesn't really matter here). For Trfel we should be 100% town because we are doing very townie things assuming he is town and GB is ??? . So basically, if he calls us mafia then i think he is mafia."
"yeah he said "they feel kinda town but need to re-evaluate" ä
"yeah, i still his response is mild somehow"
Sadly i never got to investogate this further lol... well or pretty much anything. gg and the google reads were a total blast, i laughed so hard with chezinu yesterday hahaha^^
On April 03 2020 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Should have trusted the only correct way to read Trfel btw... I said this some point during D1:
3:46 PM raynpelikoneet!: [...] Trfel - I dont think Trfel would call out Palmar like he did in case he was mafia because it doesn't make any sense, unless Kelsier is mafia, but then again, if he is mafia with Kelsier he would have easier and better targets than Palmar. Only thing that bugs me is that he hasn't done the town!Trfel thing that he does in most of his games and pretty early.
I wouldn't have lynched Trfel if i was in the game properly with the information i had so gj guys.
On April 03 2020 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Should have trusted the only correct way to read Trfel btw... I said this some point during D1:
3:46 PM raynpelikoneet!: [...] Trfel - I dont think Trfel would call out Palmar like he did in case he was mafia because it doesn't make any sense, unless Kelsier is mafia, but then again, if he is mafia with Kelsier he would have easier and better targets than Palmar. Only thing that bugs me is that he hasn't done the town!Trfel thing that he does in most of his games and pretty early.
I wouldn't have lynched Trfel if i was in the game properly with the information i had so gj guys.
now I'm curious about that thing, but I suppose you will want to keep it for potential later games :p
On April 03 2020 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is when he says something really smart and then immediately after second guesses himself and it feels like he genuinely feels bad about what he first said lol. I have already told this to him before it's just impossible to fake.
On April 03 2020 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: holy shit rels. had you just made the case on trfel and not posted some shit sentinel said i would have known trfel is mafia. i didnt even remember i said that just before i decided you had to be mafia when re-reading.... so it's your fault i was bad.
i sent you the logs in PM.
the thing is it feels like he's faking shit and hasn't said anything smart. like really smart smart.. everything is just super wishy-washy, like his read on jock (and jock's read on him too). When i am reading again i have absolutely no idea why they even voted for each other ever because it seems like both of them had better scumreads at the time.
On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.
I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2.
On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.
I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2.
Sorry that was for Trfel, but my clueless question was coming up. I wanted to ask, after you cased Jock, I'm assuming it happened after he voted for me, did Hap jump on the Jock wagon? I went back to the beginning of the thread, but I got a massive headache just trying to think about the beginning of the game again after BC turned up town. Like that shit stressed me the fuck out.
But thinking about it a little bit more, i guess there is a chance that Hapa just upped his scumgame because he is definitely capable of that if he really really tries. There are some elements in his case i wouldnt expect scum!Hapa to actually put effort into, but i guess it's not impossible. I find it really hard to think that he makes this post though
On April 07 2020 01:36 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn, are you mafia, or did you have a lobotomy since we last spoke?
.....as mafia. Knowing me and hapa and how "internet friends" we have been, and how annoyedly he treated me during the second irl-day of D1 (in my opinion -- and i know he knows he did that too and how i would feel about it), i find it very very very unlike that he would make this post, then call everyone idiots after the lynch and all that yadda yadda.
Not going to be around for the deadline, so thoughts now.
I have reasons to town-read everyone, which means that I'm reading something wrong about the game. When I look through my reads, I am certain that Chez and Rayn are town.
I cannot see Chez as mafia playing like he did, given that he was the only player to vote Jock before his series of "awful posts" on Day 1.
On April 07 2020 11:14 Hapahauli wrote: Like, I get that Chez is random, but I don't think he's cruel or mean enough to his scum teammates to vote him and abandon him.
Likewise, Rayn is strong town in my book. Nothing has changed on my thoughts from before, especially the post by Jock:
Rayn reads strongly town to me, both based on his filter and Jocks' filter. This is for three reasons: 1) Most players, and especially forum players, have some desire to save-face. Pride in a purest sense. Rayn set up for this lynch with reckless abandon with no attempt whatsoever to save face. His posting literally sets up to humiliate himself after the flip. Mafia Rayn would know my alignment, as well as Jock's alignment. He is a sophisticated, smart, and experienced player enough to evaluate that there was a pretty high chance of Jock dying. 2) I really like Rayn's posting right after the flip. Again, a basic desire to save face. The torment of "oh god maybe I was wrong , to *BZZZZT DOES NOT COMPUTE RAWEFWHFJ*, to full on 'jet fuel does not melt steel beams" is a very townie thought process for someone who was wrong, and who's pride will not allow him to admit that he is wrong. 3) Reading Jock's filter transparently, there is a very clear attempt by Jock to white-knight Rayn early in the game:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
This post screams of "Jock is taking a hard and safe stance because he knows that Rayn is town". Given Jock's later posts, again, I am taking this post at face value, rather than weighing it for mindgames.
I cannot see Trfel mafia. I have no freggin clue how mafia busses like this:
On April 06 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote: Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning
Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know
##vote Jockmcplop
May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon.
If you're going to bus (Trfel is effectively the 4th vote and therefore the hammer vote), how do you not go for more "cred" than that? You look so much better confidently calling Jock mafia.
Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough: 1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch. 2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch. 3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot. 4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name.
The youngest of the brothers, and the most handsome, too. Got Michela Gallo Ricci pregnant when they were 17. They were in love. At least Lucca was. The pregnancy led to a marriage. The marriage led to living together. The responsibilities of taking care of a child led to the need of having a job. The need of having a job made him a chef in the family restaurant. They now both work there, and although still living with parents, they have a happy life. They now have two kids, Lucca Gallo Ricci, 19 and Andrezza Gallo Ricci, 16..
Deadline for Day 2 is Sunday, Apr 12 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
Please note that rayn kill was randomized because scum didn't send a night kill. I've thought about the rules and even considered not sending a KP. But the mechanics are really clear: "mafia cannot no kill." The only outcome possible was randomizing.
I also decided to let thread know because this is not written in the rules and town couldn't possibly consider this outcome. I am now updating the mechanics so this may not happen in the future.
On April 11 2020 01:55 Hapahauli wrote: Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough: 1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch. 2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch. 3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot. 4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name.
Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.
But that post by Shockey is so outrageously stupid. How do you acknowledge that mafia didn't NK and then call someone scum using a targeted NK analysis?
On April 11 2020 01:55 Hapahauli wrote: Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough: 1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch. 2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch. 3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot. 4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name.
Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.
Meh just played a bad town game this day, the NK has me all fucked up. My only concern was how you said you weren't going to be around for deadline, but yet you're around.
Ok. So now that we established that you "guessed" based on the Day post, how do you post this:
Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia
Because your explanation just now does not square with this.
Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia
Because your explanation just now does not square with this.
My brain went on a rant after, tin foiled the fuck out of it forgetting that NK wasn't mafia, shit happens.
On April 11 2020 03:16 Hapahauli wrote: Trefel, Is that Shockey sequence on this page a scumslip or a rant gone wrong?
Honestly it's a bit hard to say, but my gut tells me it's a townish rant. Maybe this is just because I tend to not be a believer in scumslips, but also because primarily I feel like mafia tends to be more organized.
First, I assume mafia didn't decide to make the intentional play of not submitting a night kill so that it would be randomized and announced as randomized to feign inactivity. That seems far too convoluted.
Following that, if ShoCkeyy is mafia, he couldn't forget that the mafia night kill was randomized. He would have thought about possible night kills and the strategies/implications of each, and then failed to submit one, so he would freak out (which admittedly does fit what happened). But I feel like it would be so obvious to mafia what happened that he wouldn't then go into night kill analysis. It's so messy it feels more town to me, mafia tends to be a bit more measured, careful, and constructive.
But maybe that's not ShoCkeyy's mafia playstyle. Maybe he is an impulsive, rushed poster as mafia. Then I could see it coming from mafia, but most mafia players aren't like this. Another thing to note is that he didn't go after me or Chezinu, he went after you (Hapahauli). That's a much, much, much harder target, and it feels more like a town tinfoil theory than mafia, who tends to focus on the easiest target in LYLO/MYLO.
For ShoCkeyy to be town, he'd have to be really flustered. Reading that the night kill was randomized and not the second blue post does kinda give away that mafia failed to submit a night kill, I picked that up myself before reading the second blue post. Losing his top townread and biggest protector (in raynpelikoneet, also potentially his only chance at avoiding the lynch), I could see him getting pretty flustered and confused.
I once lynched the town gunsmith after he claimed he'd flip green once he got counterclaimed, and only after everyone called him out on it realized he'd flip blue. I just feel like town are more inclined to make large mistakes of that kind than mafia. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll definitely keep thinking about it, but those are my thoughts right now.
On April 11 2020 03:26 Hapahauli wrote: Shockey. You said you actually sat down and watched Chez's videos, right?
Didn't you say something about his video persona being some type of crazy killer?
If you look at the voting pattern based on lore and how Chez has been handling the game, he's killed his family (parents and sister), and killed the only other person in our family that was likely to help town (it's even in their lore role) Vivax. I've watched all the videos and they all seem like he's very happy using a knife.
As I found here:
On April 07 2020 10:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: Back, wow the son is now trying to give up his mom too. I think Chez has a vendetta for women in the family.
It goes back to our possible discussion about Chez.
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.
On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote: Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?
When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?
Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote: The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
We're at a point now where it's very possible that Chez is our and has been last mafia player.
I just want to say Jock did a wonderful job speaking to everyone in this game equally including his mafia buddy.
Hapa...Hapa...Hapa....
You said you knew that my heart <3's the other players on this forum. Remember who I am. You know in your heart that my heart <3's you. You argued to keep me alive. You defended my honor to now turn on me? I believe not. Your heart should keep me alive. Jock said you were playing for self-preservation. You choose to assume that I was the inactive one who forgot to send in night kills instead of Mr. Truffles who was also pretty inactive in the thread.
I was assuming Shock was just bad town from his play last game. I still <3 you Shock. He claimed to watch my video when it was apparent he didn't fully read the thread. Oh, Mr. Truffles inquired of my reads where Shock did not. Mr. Truffles did not watch my videos. He said I was intelligent. . . Genuine? Or flattery?
I had doubts that BC was mafia, this the late vote. I hope for information from the night kill, but they killed a townie town. BC even tool note how it seemed rayn and I understood each other as if we recently shared a mind. It's amazing how much you can learn from a player when you know they are town from the beginning. To play with them and trust they are telling you the truth. You learn to understand.
If Vivax was here, he could attest to my tells. I have a secret weapon of claiming townie. That a few vets have learned. So, I will use this now.
I am town.
Insta confirmed. For over ten years Chezinu has played mafia and never once as mafia has he said he was town.
Phew.. the battery in my phone lost power but it saved this text before shutting off. I <3 the engineers and computer scientists that made this happen.
I guess I could be remembering wrong but I thought there was a game where Chezinu broke that pattern? I forget which one though and he hasn't been mafia for a while, so maybe I am misremembering. I'll try and check in the morning.
You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.
For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.
He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.
After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.
I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.
Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.
I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.
On April 12 2020 15:20 Trfel wrote: You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.
For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.
He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.
After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.
I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.
Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.
I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.
What about Hapa? He defended me and said that my heart <3's people and make them laugh. Then today... he turned on me as if I bussed Jock... If I were to bus, Jock would have volunteered. The question is... did Jock volunteer or did Hapa lynch Jock out of self-preservation?
On April 12 2020 15:20 Trfel wrote: You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.
For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.
He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.
After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.
I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.
Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.
I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.
What about Hapa? He defended me and said that my heart <3's people and make them laugh. Then today... he turned on me as if I bussed Jock... If I were to bus, Jock would have volunteered. The question is... did Jock volunteer or did Hapa lynch Jock out of self-preservation?
I don't really think it's Hapahauli, it's possible, but it would be some pretty brilliant mafia play if it is him. Hapahauli posted his reasons for lynching Jockmcplop quite early on, it felt like a genuine push to me.
From my point of view, my top town read was taken from me. All that’s left is three town and one mafia. This vote today is the most important vote, and if I were to follow my top town read, then I’d be voting for either Hap or Trfel.
This is mainly why I haven’t placed my vote yet. It’s been a tough day, did my weekly chores and just finished. There’s a lot possible theories, and I’ve given my effort in trying to show the possibilities. I personally would take all responsibility for the chez lynch if that were to happen. That was my theory that I pushed.
If I don’t look at chez as mafia and if you’re seriously not mafia, then who else can it be?
On April 10 2020 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: and because i don't think shockeyy is mafia either soo....
On April 10 2020 02:15 Trfel wrote: So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.
I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.
Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.
ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not
I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).
Did Trfel just oust himself? He claimed all of the four remaining players aside from himself are town...
On April 12 2020 15:20 Trfel wrote: You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.
For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.
He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.
After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.
I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.
Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.
I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.
What about Hapa? He defended me and said that my heart <3's people and make them laugh. Then today... he turned on me as if I bussed Jock... If I were to bus, Jock would have volunteered. The question is... did Jock volunteer or did Hapa lynch Jock out of self-preservation?
I don't really think it's Hapahauli, it's possible, but it would be some pretty brilliant mafia play if it is him. Hapahauli posted his reasons for lynching Jockmcplop quite early on, it felt like a genuine push to me.
On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.
I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2.
Sorry that was for Trfel, but my clueless question was coming up. I wanted to ask, after you cased Jock, I'm assuming it happened after he voted for me, did Hap jump on the Jock wagon? I went back to the beginning of the thread, but I got a massive headache just trying to think about the beginning of the game again after BC turned up town. Like that shit stressed me the fuck out.
On April 10 2020 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah he cased him about half an hour after i had my discussion with jock.
After I did check, and yes, Hap did case Jock after the convo. Hap decided to case Jock right after he insta voted for me. Rayn was fine with lynching Hap, but was fine with lynching Jock too.
On April 12 2020 16:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’ll be around for a few more minutes before placing a placeholder vote till morning, cause I definitely want to talk this out.
On April 12 2020 16:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Hap in all honesty. He was willing to double lynch, suggested self lynch to get a second town kill.
If Rayn was willing to lynch, and I had my first vote on him, my gut says it has to be Hap. This Chez vote coming from him today feels odd because at one point he says you were town.
On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing.
I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not.
That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to.
It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them.
"Pressure votes" are certainly valid. Why does town-Jock not want to pressure his top scumread ("mafia-hapa") with a vote? Why does town-Jock not want to pressure Rels? How did you arrive at Shockey vs. the other candidates?
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
In addition, the "order of scumminess" itself leads to some extra questions about your vote on Shockey. Given this list, Rels is #2. It is literally impossible to tell anything about Rels' alignment given zero posting. Rels is null in the purest sense of it. This would imply that Shockeyy and Trefel are slightly above-null, but you chose to place a vote on Shockeyy anyway.
Interesting lynch order by Jock that he was didnt follow at first.
There is one mafia in there. Jock accused his scum buddy.
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote: [quote]
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already?
Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.
Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?Side note, I really want to be suspicious of Jockmcplop, his wording and logic just feel so off, but I can't put my finger on it or articulate why So I'll let it drop. I reserve the right to be suspicious of him later though
The bolded especially. For a player like Trefel, the tone and transparency of this are spot-on with what a townie would be feeling in this particular spot. I think this is very hard to fake.
Jock remains a scumread. I've already posted my rationale, but I'll elaborate on it in the next post.
BloodyCobbler is also a scumread.
Regarding BC, the gist of it is that I have a hard time justifying how he arrived at his initial readlist.
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Town Bloodyc0bbler
Leaning town Shockeyy Jockmcplop
Null Chezinu Rayn Rels
Lean scum Vivax
Scum Trfel Hapa
His scumreads are not inherently mafia-motivated. Very, very wrong, but not distinguishable between wrong-town and malevolent-mafia. BC is clearly reading and interpreting the thread on a "how much are you posting vs. what are you contributing" mindset.
On April 05 2020 15:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: His posts scream posting for sake of posting. Asking questions is great, but only if followed by content. I dont like what ive seen thus far.
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.
That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly
hmm...
i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.
This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.
Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?
What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.
On April 05 2020 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC i don't really think there is much chance of Vivax being mafia.
Its why I have him as a scum lean. Play I dislike / view as bad (not saying it is the wrong way to play just that i dont like it) makes me lower you down until you do something that stands out. I am merely waiting for it. He has been more active since my original read, but he still needs to give real content to the thread.
These three reads have a common theme: all of us are posting, but not "contributing content", trying to BS our way into inflating our post counts.
Given BC's emphasis, it is extremely hard for me to understand how town-BC turns around and slight town-reads Shockeyy, who up until this point in the game has posted over 10 times, yet only contributed a "benefit of the doubt" read on Trefel:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?
I don't see it.
On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.
INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?
@Vivax, you too?
It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.
Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.
Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.
I don't think all players play like that at all.
A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).
So the two assumptions you had made were:
1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)
Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.
Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
The dissonance between what he is stating to be his emphasis in his scumreads vs. how he is reading Shockey shows his mafia mindset here.
I looked through some Chez games to verify the "I'm TOWN" thing. I remembered it from years ago. Problem is, I could only find one mafia game from him in TL's search filter thingy. He was a mafia Traitor in that game and claimed Doctor... which doesn't help. I DID get to hear him talk about how he approached mafia and how he interacted with the QT when he joined, and I'm back to my original read on him. I can't see him voting Jock and fucking off. Can't see it. He may be troll-y, but he does try to help his teammates.
Trfel is a plausible "clean mafia" candidate, but again, I can't see why and how he'd bus like that. Also, just so many of his posts are dead-on emotionally consistent with town-Trfel. I haven't seen anyone be able to fake that in any of my games, and I'm going to roll with it.
That leaves Shockey. The argument in favor of Town Shockey is that his posting is too "off the rails" to be mafia. But at the end of the day, he acted pro-mafia on the D1 lynch, trying to push town away from the Jock lynch, essentially arguing that of the two candidates on deck (myself and Jock), I was the "scummier" candidate. I stand by this:
On April 11 2020 01:55 Hapahauli wrote: Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough: 1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch. 2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch. 3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot. 4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name.
With his entire family dead, Lucca Gallo stood strong in the house. The shock of being the last member of his lineage made him stop posting new videos. However, he had to be strong and discover who was the last corrupted spirit. He would have his revenge with the Scarlet Menace. The rest of the family was still suspicious of the Gallo Riccis. They believed that, if Andrezza was corrupted, someone from that part was, too. They started voting each other and, well, Rafaello was certain Lucca Gallo was the final one. He had to be. However, when Rafaello was building his case and pointing every suspicions at Lucca Gallo, he could see that his wife, Fiona, had a discreet yet diabolical smile on her face. Something wasn't right. Fiona would never smile in such situation. Actually, as far as he knew her, Fiona would take all her knowledge as a lawyer and be part of the discussion. She would advocate that they shouldn't kill themselves, as a defender of the Human Rights. In dubio pro reo. If there was a better lawyer than Rafaello, that would be Fiona. Rafaello knew Fiona wasn't being herself. But it was his wife, wasn't it? How could he possibly suspect her? It's the woman he loves. But Fiona wasn't being herself. And the more he thought about it, the more he realized she could be corrupted. His brother, Antonio, was suspicious since the beginning. Maybe... maybe that's why he was the first one to be killed. Rafaello was drowning in self-doubt. Mario stepped in: "it's Fiona, Rafaello. Antonio could be a very lazy person, but he was brilliant. Let me have my vendetta". Lucca Gallo looked at Rafaello's eyes and said "you know I'm as innocent as a baby seal". Rafaello knew. Fiona finally decided to lawyer up and started throwing arguments that, well, were pretty much convincing. But in their hearts, they knew. They knew. Lucca Gallo ran to get the knife but Fiona caught it first. She moved to stab him. Lucca tried to dodge, but had his arm sliced and blood started to spread. He fell on the ground. She tried to stab him in the neck but he held her arm. Thanks to his workout routine, he was barely able to hold her back. Until her head exploded. Rafaello shot her with the rifle, tears pouring down his face. Her skin became red and a scarlet ectoplasm appeared from her mouth with an unearthly scream. The TV turned on and the The Sentinel appeared.
"Thanks to you and your resilience, mankind has a better chance to prevail. Be strong. Now please, everyone but Lucca Gallo leave the room."
They did so. Lucca Gallo stayed. After a couple of hours, Rafaello decided to see how Lucca was. He wasn't their anymore. On the table, a note: "The Sentinel said I have eyes to see. He said they need me. I have no reason to stay here. I'm going to the Citadel, to become an Aposthole. Farewell."
Fiona Marino Ricci is married to Rafaello. They met at college and both became great lawyers. They live by managing the legal part of the family restaurant “La Premiata”, but Fiona also is very engaged with pro bono jobs and became a teacher at her university. She doesn’t like Andrezza Gallo Ricci, who she thinks is a snob from a big family.
ShoCkeyy was endgamed! Trfel, Hapahauli and Chezinu survived!
GG, I fucked up because I overslept my night kill by accident.
lol, it actually cast some decent shade on Chez in the obs. Good one playing the derpy town though, you weren't that obvious. Hapa didn't get rusty either.
GG, I fucked up because I overslept my night kill by accident.
lol, it actually cast some decent shade on Chez in the obs. Good one playing the derpy town though, you weren't that obvious. Hapa didn't get rusty either.
Uh...
You mean other than forgetting the definition of cheating? Christ. I'm surprised GB didn't modkill me on the spot.
GG, I fucked up because I overslept my night kill by accident.
lol, it actually cast some decent shade on Chez in the obs. Good one playing the derpy town though, you weren't that obvious. Hapa didn't get rusty either.
Uh...
You mean other than forgetting the definition of cheating? Christ. I'm surprised GB didn't modkill me on the spot.
Yea I thought chez would of voted you for that since it was “scummy” as hell haha
GG, I fucked up because I overslept my night kill by accident.
lol, it actually cast some decent shade on Chez in the obs. Good one playing the derpy town though, you weren't that obvious. Hapa didn't get rusty either.
Yea I figured the most obvious things would let me slide the best. Like when I NK you, lmao
GG, I fucked up because I overslept my night kill by accident.
lol, it actually cast some decent shade on Chez in the obs. Good one playing the derpy town though, you weren't that obvious. Hapa didn't get rusty either.
Uh...
You mean other than forgetting the definition of cheating? Christ. I'm surprised GB didn't modkill me on the spot.
On April 12 2020 15:20 Trfel wrote: You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.
For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.
He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.
After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.
I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.
Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.
I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.
This is a great post not just because its right but the way its structured especially anticipating the counter arguments. Almost like how a lawyer would bring up their own weak points to present it in a better light.
BTW thank you very much for doing at least a bit of roleplaying. Especially Chez, I loved your videos and I hope to use your character in future games, since now he became an APOSTHOLE
On April 13 2020 02:38 Vivax wrote: Nice hosting, Fefe and Gb really blew some life back into the forum. Trying to wifom us out of the reads in obs is kinda a dick move though
Hahahaha <3
I can keep hosting games if you guys are interested, but I won't do heavy flavoured ones in a while
Thanks for letting me play. Been awhile since I have. May not have gone the way I would have liked for myself but the game itself was still fun. Also impressed with how fast it filled.
On April 13 2020 06:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thanks for letting me play. Been awhile since I have. May not have gone the way I would have liked for myself but the game itself was still fun. Also impressed with how fast it filled.
You were the last one to egg me for more videos.
Lucca Gallo is alive now because of his mother.
Thanks for hosting GB! Let me know if you need me to make a bank of private Lucca Gallo videos for next game. This way someone else can play the character. Unless, you want me to be on call and cohost the unrevealed character in Day and night posts.. unless Lucca isnt blue yet and the spirits attack the Citadel. .
On April 13 2020 06:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thanks for letting me play. Been awhile since I have. May not have gone the way I would have liked for myself but the game itself was still fun. Also impressed with how fast it filled.
You were the last one to egg me for more videos.
Lucca Gallo is alive now because of his mother.
Thanks for hosting GB! Let me know if you need me to make a bank of private Lucca Gallo videos for next game. This way someone else can play the character. Unless, you want me to be on call and cohost the unrevealed character in Day and night posts.. unless Lucca isnt blue yet and the spirits attack the Citadel. .
I'll have him as blue from now on I like what you've created and, oh boy, more games with this character will be awesome.
He will have an investigative role, since he had the eyes to see.
I want to keep hosting games. Maybe we can have this forum back to activity by creating a novel? Would love to have you cohosting.
My only problem is that I don't have the time to keep constant track of players' posts, but I can keep up with the other affairs.
I also must say that it ain't easy to create flavour based on what players constantly do, because I can't write the flavors whenever I have free time, and english isn't my first language. It's hard for me to write something nice to read.
Anyway, I want to keep hosting if Vivax isn't putting his Turbo mafia up, I'll think of another Holy Guardians chapter.
Turbo mafia requires a few hours of committment and finishes quickly to super quickly. Wanted to try the format for busy people, but it's probably very mafia-favoured, which might not be a bad thing to raise the skill cap a bit for town. So I can't guarantee that it's balanced, but you can sign up to try something new.
On April 13 2020 07:05 Vivax wrote: Turbo mafia requires a few hours of committment and finishes quickly to super quickly. Wanted to try the format for busy people, but it's probably very mafia-favoured, which might not be a bad thing to raise the skill cap a bit for town. So I can't guarantee that it's balanced, but you can sign up to try something new.
On April 13 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Sorry Jock, I almost won the game for us D:
You played well I thought. I completely screwed up on day 1 but you're right you almost had it.
Shitttt your day 1 play was good enough to never have 100% suspicion on me, so I really commend you for that, and thank you cause w.o that, I would of been a goner D2 haha.
On April 13 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Sorry Jock, I almost won the game for us D:
You played well I thought. I completely screwed up on day 1 but you're right you almost had it.
Shitttt your day 1 play was good enough to never have 100% suspicion on me, so I really commend you for that, and thank you cause w.o that, I would of been a goner D2 haha.
Not to be a dick here, but this is probably the type of post you should never make about your teammate (edit: Actually never)
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
On April 13 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Sorry Jock, I almost won the game for us D:
You played well I thought. I completely screwed up on day 1 but you're right you almost had it.
Shitttt your day 1 play was good enough to never have 100% suspicion on me, so I really commend you for that, and thank you cause w.o that, I would of been a goner D2 haha.
Not to be a dick here, but this is probably the type of post you should never make about your teammate (edit: Actually never)
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm
What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
Nah its not being a dick.. advice is good cos i don't really know what i'm doing most of the time.
On April 13 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Sorry Jock, I almost won the game for us D:
You played well I thought. I completely screwed up on day 1 but you're right you almost had it.
Shitttt your day 1 play was good enough to never have 100% suspicion on me, so I really commend you for that, and thank you cause w.o that, I would of been a goner D2 haha.
Nah. No matter what I do I will always be a lynch target. You were almost guaranteed to live til day 3 because of it lol
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