EPT+1 for the lore
[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2
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On April 05 2020 11:30 Chezinu wrote: Mom!! Dad said that we wants to murder me! Stop arguing! I'm trying to read. shhhhhhh | ||
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On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that saying you dont belong to the family?  On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive. INITIATE DISLIKE PILE. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Its an important message. | ||
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On April 05 2020 13:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yo jock. You read things clearly. Anything good catch your eye? yes no maybe so? So far only the post that i quoted from trfel tbh. | ||
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It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious. | ||
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I don't see it. On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote: Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them. Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure. I don't think all players play like that at all. A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made). So the two assumptions you had made were: 1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else) Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players. | ||
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On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way. Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh. | ||
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On April 05 2020 14:34 Trfel wrote: You're greatly misrepresenting my play. I'm not being over defensive. I'm hardly defensive at all. I don't really care what other people's reads on me are, I do care why those are their reads. I'm not trying to misrepresent you. I'm explaining how I see your entrance. The reason I originally brought this up was that I don't see how rayn seeming to imply that you are scum, then imply that you are town is alignment indicative for rayn. The fact that you think this makes rayn suspicious seems like the wrong reaction to someone's implying that they might have a read on you. Maybe defensive is the wrong word. Its like you feel like you need to react to someone mentioning you or implying that they have a thought about you. On April 05 2020 14:34 Trfel wrote: Generally when someone says they dislike a post, it means they are more suspicious of that person. Otherwise why would you say that? That's a fair assumption to make. Hard disagree. I pointed out here: On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote: It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious. that I was questioning how you turned rayn's implication of a possible read on you into an alignment thing for rayn. That is a logic issue, not an alignment issue. When you then immediately jumped on my wording I started thinking about your alignment and motivation. But regardless, I didn't ask Vivax about his town read on me, I don't particularly care about that. I was trying to ask Vivax why he was suspicious of raynpelikoneet. I apologize for not being more clear on that point. Ah ok i thought you were asking Vivax about his town read on you. Just out of curiosity why don't you care about Vivax's townreading you? | ||
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On April 05 2020 14:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think I did a great job. Hopefully Cobbler does too, glad to see him play after so many years. lol As long as you're happy with it I suppose that's the most important thing  | ||
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On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. Noted. | ||
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On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already? | ||
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On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay. I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well). I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset. That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly  hmm... i quite like this logic even if I don't agree. | ||
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On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Lean scum Vivax I am confused. | ||
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On April 05 2020 18:09 Chezinu wrote: What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you? He cares not for attempted sororicide, only for choice of clothes. | ||
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On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour Oh ok I get it. I guess I just read his tone and eagerness as townish.. | ||
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Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though. Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town. I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot. Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive. Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first: haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched. Rels Nothing. Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does. Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town. So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment. | ||
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On April 05 2020 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think you have explained Trfel though, at least i have a hard time knowing where you stand on him and why. You're right for some reason I thought I already posted about this. I question his motivations and his tone bothers me. I don't really have a case on him or anything its more that his tone seems strange, like.... diplomatic or politiciany. It felt like he was trying to disarm me with friendliness. He certainly hasn't said anything that would make me townread him and I find myself questioning his motives, as you saw before. He's at the bottom of my lynchpile because he seems to have some logic behind his reads that *could* be townie, and stayed calm when I pressured him. On balance, though, I think if there's a 4 person lynchpile he belongs in it. | ||
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