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I'm obvious bad at explaining here..
How is me thinking 1 mafia between Koshi/Slam (prior flip), and me thinking 1 mafia between MZ/Pand any different? I gave up pressure on Slam (not that I ever pushed him real hard in the first place), I wasn't even considering between the two but given I think BOTH Koshi/ Branch are scum I LITERALLY CAN NOT think both are scum there. If the were that makes 4 mafia and game would already be over. You made sense on why you think Koshi/ Branch are less likely to be mafia so I say your logic is good.. I'll re-eval, but my point is it's not unheard of that mafia just busses m!Koshi (who is looking like lynch D2 here). Then none of these guys are driving factors unless you count MZ FF case.
At any rate I've already said I've waffled on Pandain most of the game to begin with anyway. So just to save you time going to look for it, he's still nullish for me but I liked him a little better for trying to deflecting off of Chezinu with me. But that's possible bias, as I tend to not try to read to much into Pandain anymore (I think he's scum every game). It could be m!Pand knowing Chezinu is town and trying to make himself look better. *shrugs* I already said I'd filter later but haven't done so because I have shit to do  .
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On August 03 2019 11:49 Eversince wrote:I'm obvious bad at explaining here.. How is me thinking 1 mafia between Koshi/Slam (prior flip), and me thinking 1 mafia between MZ/Pand any different? I gave up pressure on Slam (not that I ever pushed him real hard in the first place), I wasn't even considering between the two but given I think BOTH Koshi/ Branch are scum I LITERALLY CAN NOT think both are scum there. If the were that makes 4 mafia and game would already be over. You made sense on why you think Koshi/ Branch are less likely to be mafia so I say your logic is good.. I'll re-eval, but my point is it's not unheard of that mafia just busses m!Koshi (who is looking like lynch D2 here). Then none of these guys are driving factors unless you count MZ FF case. At any rate I've already said I've waffled on Pandain most of the game to begin with anyway. So just to save you time going to look for it, he's still nullish for me but I liked him a little better for trying to deflecting off of Chezinu with me. But that's possible bias, as I tend to not try to read to much into Pandain anymore (I think he's scum every game). It could be m!Pand knowing Chezinu is town and trying to make himself look better. *shrugs* I already said I'd filter later but haven't done so because I have shit to do .
So you think mafia MZ bussed both his teammates, Koshi and Branch, on the day when mafia could have easily won by mislynching once.
Not only that, but also:
1. Koshi was vote #3
2. Branch hammered at vote #4
3. Koshi and Branch were not united in pushing a secondary lynch
So mafia premeditated this mega bus?
What an amazing play.
-wherebugsgo
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MZ lynch was the only lynch they could of 'easily won' So please explain to me where that could of happened. MZ was obvious lynch outside of myself.
Chezinu probably never would have been in the race if HF didn't push him into it..
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Hmm, actually I don't get it.. Why wasn't I just lynched today? MZ defend, but Koshi/ Branch both jump on my lynch. Mafia could of just lynch me today for easy win. It's not like I have any influence or am around to really defend myself 90% of the time.. Lacking better reason than I'm easy to lynch makes me think even more that mafia play here. They got stuck because you ended on MZ and your vote was the forced vote target.. Branch (the only other option via Pandain [who never actually pushed for him]) was never getting lynched (you t!Branch)So maby Koshi/Pandain? Both Branch/ Koshi (Koshi super wierd because he went from OMGUS m!ES read to 'weakest scum read' to posting a couple of my post, then not even reading the rest and just calling me confirm mafia. This fits your perspective of mafia just trying to end game by ML (on t!ES). Question in my mind then is why not try harder for it? Because I think if mafia team consolidated on me with one swayed vote they would of won last cycle..
Assuming I'm town Bugs/J, who would be mafia outside Pandain then?
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On August 03 2019 13:04 Eversince wrote:
Hmm, actually I don't get it.. Why wasn't I just lynched today? MZ defend, but Koshi/ Branch both jump on my lynch. Mafia could of just lynch me today for easy win. It's not like I have any influence or am around to really defend myself 90% of the time.. Lacking better reason than I'm easy to lynch makes me think even more that mafia play here. They got stuck because you ended on MZ and your vote was the forced vote target.. Branch (the only other option via Pandain [who never actually pushed for him]) was never getting lynched (you t!Branch)So maby Koshi/Pandain? Both Branch/ Koshi (Koshi super wierd because he went from OMGUS m!ES read to 'weakest scum read' to posting a couple of my post, then not even reading the rest and just calling me confirm mafia. This fits your perspective of mafia just trying to end game by ML (on t!ES). Question in my mind then is why not try harder for it? Because I think if mafia team consolidated on me with one swayed vote they would of won last cycle..
Assuming I'm town Bugs/J, who would be mafia outside Pandain then?
Right, what a mystery indeed that Meapak didn’t hammer his own scum partner on a day that he thought he could get branch (most likely a townie) lynched.
What a mystery indeed when Meapak spent the most effort out of anyone trying to kill Branch when he could’ve just hammered you, a supposed townie.
So many mysteries here in your made-up make believe world where you’re town but I see no mysteries at all if you and Pandain are scum together.
gg, you should concede now. Every post you make just makes you look worse.
-wherebugsgo
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*laugh* You know, as much as I hate martyr, I probably would concede. But town can't do that crap. So you are stuck with me  !! I'm not going to fight this much though. I lose hotspot soon unless I can renew and I won't know that until Monday morning. I'll try to prove myself town but if everyone wants to lynch me anyway just lynch me before Pandain because at least then new games can start. If my post make me look worse then fine. I don't care. at least post-game I can say I tried to tell you people! I roll over for no one hehe !
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On August 03 2019 13:45 Eversince wrote:*laugh* You know, as much as I hate martyr, I probably would concede. But town can't do that crap. So you are stuck with me !! I'm not going to fight this much though. I lose hotspot soon unless I can renew and I won't know that until Monday morning. I'll try to prove myself town but if everyone wants to lynch me anyway just lynch me before Pandain because at least then new games can start. If my post make me look worse then fine. I don't care. at least post-game I can say I tried to tell you people! I roll over for no one hehe !
Feel free to do what you promised and filter Pandain & then tell us what to do with him.
You know, cause you seem to have spent quite a bit of time pointlessly “arguing” with me now. I say pointlessly because you literally don’t ever come to a proper conclusion ever. And why make preemptive excuses for things and martyr/claim you don’t care about dying when if you’re town you could’ve already played the game about five times over?
-wherebugsgo
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@ Bugs
You over estimate how fast I read, and as much this sounds like excuse (you can choose to call me a liar, I'll call you trash later); I'm working from home which doesn't mean I can just fuck off and not accomplish things. What conclusion was I suppose to come to here? I think Koshi has been pfft all game. Giving benefit of doubt on Branch (because I can't meta him though he's lying about certain things) I ask who else I should be looking into. I explain these things because in that time after when I said my activity falls right off cliff. Town lynches me we freakin' lose. So of course I'm going to try to argue with you. Because you have main thread support (Meaning your my best hope at avoiding ML on myself, assuming I can get you to not scum read me zz) otherwise, mafia kill you, town lynches me, and we lose! Wth is so hard to understand about this?!?
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My A++ game summary right here
Players
1) NoSmurfHere
me = dumbass
Jock = god, town MVP
2) Holyflare Vanilla Townie killed night 3
Uncooperative, selfish, master antitown plan schemer
3) Raynpelikoneet Single Sexy Mason lynched day 1.
Dunning-Kruger effect
4) Alakaslam Vanilla Townie killed night 3
Philosopher
5) Fecalfeast Vanilla Townie lynched day 3
That guy who gets lynched for being a dick
6) Eywa
That guy who lynches others by being a dick (aka me 1.0)
7) Pandain
Dictionary definition of active lurker
8) Coagulation Replaced by Branch.AUT Day 2.
Coag: hope your dog is okay
Branch: that noob who is a noob (but isn’t) and posts complete nonsense with utter confidence
9) Tubesock Single Sexy Mason killed night 2.
Thought his dead partner’s reads were good enough for a game-long tunnel
10) Chezinu Parity Cop lynched day 2
Inexplicable as always. Inactive so 3x usual mystery levels
11) Koshi
Is Koshi
12) Meapak_Ziphh Cupid lynched day 4
Hates being scum LOL + Show Spoiler +wp though, seemed very different from what I remember your scum game like...at least after day 1? Or maybe the style of everyone else is now super distracting so you could just appear townie to me. But I’m a dumbass. Regardless wp
13) Vivax Vanilla Townie killed night 1
Got shot cause scum couldn’t figure out the real mason
14) Eversince Replaced Night 1.
Has time to post but not time to read
OBS OF SHAME
1) Conversion
Probably laughing at all of us rn
2)
3)
-wherebugsgo
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On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote:
Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish.
Sorry I misread this post originally. I’m so so sorry for your loss.
+ Show Spoiler +I’m dreading the day I have to do this for my own pup and he’s getting there himself.
Coag if you need someone to talk to feel free to PM me.
-wherebugsgo
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Yep. Ok! phoo to this noise, you still haven't even given me a reason other than 'ES inactive, not herself, and lack of time' Lynch me for it. This is stupid. I did skim half of Pandains filter so far, but you going to lynch me over time constraints (I'm never putting game over RL sorry) just fucking lynch me next cycle. I'm not going to try to talk about it anymore because you won't sum any points that ACTUAL make me mafia! So screw this town. Lynch me and lose! I can use this game as a reference as to 'Your reason is a big pile of manure!' future games.
I'm go take care of previous stated responsibilities now. I'll check back in in 45-hr but otherwise I'm just going to toss the towel in this game.. Sorry town.
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out of game context @ Coag; Yes sorry for your pup friend . They really do become part of your family eventually and losing them sucks super bad r.r!!
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Okok, I've skim Pandain filter now. I don't know.. Unless it's entire mafia team between MZ/Pandain/Koshi bussing around it looks really weird. Which as you say, not making sense to do. Personally I think Pandain is more just in-active town. He's made plenty of fair points. The problem here is Pandain can rely on town to pull his weight up to point, but lylo, we can't pull his weight anymore, and the fact he says it's up to us to do it STILL is red flags everywhere. What makes him so scum to you guys? I can be dense so maby I'm just miss something. Maby I'm wrong but that leaves me 1 loose mafia. Eywa has been lack-luster and as I said that would start to ruffle my hair if he didn't pick up same playstyle from D1, which hasn't happened.
Koshi putting in effort on D4 should never give him free walk for how he has played until now. Ever. If you think it does then my goodness, Koshi if your town I'm super disappointed here :'(!! Even on D4 he hard changes his read on me to 'confirm scum' when admitting he's not even reading my post. What the actual ****! And Koshi/ Branch acting together to swing NSH to push onto me (you can say you lead NSH, but Koshi OMGUS m!ES long before you did it during last day cycle..)
Giving one of the two out of Koshi/Branch a pass here, I would say Koshi is the mafia. I think it was yourself that said Eywa/MZ didn't make sense but Eywa hasn't done anything worth mentioning since D1. That Rayn push could of come from town but analysis says he just pushed Rayn out of the game, ghosted (whether wedding was real/not), and continues to not contribute much of anything. This is scary because it's been very well establish that t!Eywa can be a royal pain in the butt! But assuming I'm wrong on one in between Koshi/ Branch it leaves Pand/ Eywa. Since I'm pretty sure the rest are town as of now. With the exception of Pandain but I always waffle on Pandain....... So lay out a good case on him because I can't digest his play either way ever. I'll sheep that vote if it happens.
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Wow bugs uncorking at someone else for a change.
Thanks for making me actually laugh at the assessment of my play. Out loud. In a tube full of people.
I've only quuck read the exchange between ES and bugs at this point, but ES does not come off well here. The completely too late read switch on me makes me cringe.
What I agree on at the moment is the assessment that mz, pandain and es been mainly trying to push branch mislynch. Lynching both of them is good in my opinion for this reason.
Ill be back in a few hours
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The problem with that theory is that eywa also has been pushing for your lynch. MZ's read progression on eywa was weird also, with lots of positive comments until day 4 i think where it suddenly turns to a scum read - but a nice safe 3rd scum read where he would never have to put a vote there if he didn't want to.
Check out this circular logic from MZ. Trying to lynch FF but also trying to townread eywa?
On July 30 2019 09:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:It's actually incredibly hard to do an honest analysis of someone who has been calling you scum with literally nothing to back up the claims since like D1. I've kinda been ignoring most of what Eywa has said because I don't feel like giving the time of day when he doesn't have any reason aside from his gut (which helped get rayn killed). It's very tempting to OMGUS a case because this dude seems like a real asshole (hate when people talk about their home sites). But I agree with a couple points he's made today: Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 03:15 Eywa- wrote:You guys post too much... Holy fuck. FecalFeast has to be the lynch today, I mean... His filter is terrible, just keeps pushing random reads off of the main wagons, but doesn't actually push them hard enough to push them through. Then he calls other people scum for pushing mislynches. On July 26 2019 12:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
i still think mason should claim because if mafia shoots mason that's a probable guaranteed cop check unless they hit the RB and or the miller Also, this feels a lot like PR hunting. WHERE DID THAT GUARANTEED COP CHECK GO? Oh... Y'all lynched it. This is correct.
On July 30 2019 09:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Gonna pick up my read of FF where I left off, this is already not a great start: Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 01:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well I'm voting eywa and think they've played scummy. There's some smart people words that suggest the hydra may be town and nobody wants to vote with me there.
My opinion is that an eywa lynch is good. This actually makes me feel better about not going after Eywa now. Scum team: Koshi, Branch, FF
He's using eywa's scumread of FF to scumread FF and townread eywa, and then uses FF attacking eywa to confirm both.
-J
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I agree that a scum strategy of 2 active seeking a mislynch, and a third unconnected person as a failsafe makes sense. I had also considered this possibility, but was hesitant to devote too much time in case the game ended yesterday.
Im going to read through eywa/pandain/eversince with thisnin mind over the next few hours.
One more thing bugs/jock, since you have the modt town cred, and probably will die now. Ease name a successor, ro lead the lynch. One united vote is still necessary, and I think this would help our case
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On August 03 2019 21:27 Branch.AUT wrote:
I agree that a scum strategy of 2 active seeking a mislynch, and a third unconnected person as a failsafe makes sense. I had also considered this possibility, but was hesitant to devote too much time in case the game ended yesterday.
Im going to read through eywa/pandain/eversince with thisnin mind over the next few hours.
One more thing bugs/jock, since you have the modt town cred, and probably will die now. Ease name a successor, ro lead the lynch. One united vote is still necessary, and I think this would help our case
Make sure you read MZ. His filter is short but interesting. You might be able to use it to figure out who's mafia. I had a brief look this morning but nothing too detailed.
As for who will lead town, it doesn't really matter because its 3vs2 either way and you and koshi will probably vote together.
-J
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The deciding vote comes down to the townie between ES/eywa/Pandain every time. Two out of three of them are scum here.
So whichever one of you is the townie: you are literally the game decider lol.
-wherebugsgo
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Actually I take that back i’m dumb. In the final 3 there’ll be someone else if the two players vote each other.
But anyway, we need to figure out which one is the townie in those 3.
-wherebugsgo
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