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On July 23 2019 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hi i am town. Sounds good, I'm convinced. I'm town too. Do I need to read the setup? | ||
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Give me like 20 minutes to catch up and digest. | ||
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On July 24 2019 03:38 Holyflare wrote: Also this thread is the most confusing fucking thing to read, it's just questions answered with dead ends and cryptic sentences and very boring. I was not impressed by HF's entry to the thread at all and I was glad to see rayn jumped on that. However I was going to wait and see what HF's next posts would be... and these haven't been much better. For instance this one here; thread is pretty readable at the moment aside from rayn and eywa getting in a pissing match, and HF's post does nothing but muddy the waters. The thing I hate most about posts like this is that it doesn't even seek to remedy the problems it points out, it simply adds more chaff to the thread which runs counter to a good town environment. On July 24 2019 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still. I have no idea why HF put the newer post first but it seems like another attempt at muddying the waters as it obfuscates the point rayn was making and tries to present a contradiction that doesn't exist if you read the posts in the order rayn posted them. And then HF ends things off by voting for rayn based on a contradiction that he essentially invented. ##Vote: HolyFlare | ||
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On July 23 2019 20:02 Koshi wrote: You are both weird. I am ok with being lynched this game. I will try to make some quality posts. | ||
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On July 24 2019 07:57 Eywa- wrote: I was about to say how bad this is, but then I realized you're in the scum bucket... Carry on. Loudly declaring things you don't understand scummy does not make them scum. But then again I shouldn't have expected much more from you given your tunnel on rayn. | ||
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On July 24 2019 08:02 Tubesock wrote: I'm most suspicious of the Hydra. I like FF though. He seemed genuinely concerned at the slow pace of the game in the first couple pages. And is spot on with the BS call on Nosmurf. I really hated the list post the Hydra did. @meapak. Why do you think Vivax is ok? or the Hydra? What's decidedly mafia about FF? I disagree on all three accounts, so would like to know what you think about it. Ahh intelligent conversation, this is nice. The Hydra: I liked this post here On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions: Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one. Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range. Vivax - nothingburger Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude. FF - dunno Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa. rayn - waiting to see on this one. Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then. Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move. J This is almost exactly how I was feeling about the game at this point although I think they are being incredibly lenient on HF. Hydras are tough to read by nature so I understand how the reflex response would be to want them gone quickly however not only do I think there are better targets, at least one of the heads is seeing things in a similar light to me. Vivax: He soft townreads rayn and dislikes Coag's first post. He doesn't have a lot of activity but what he does have I agree with. Which stands in sharp contrast to the final person. FF: Aside from the spam which is annoying, FF has a few early posts which stick out: On July 24 2019 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm town hf is null vivax seems towny so far rayn I'm suspicious of but nothing worth voting whoever townread me is probably scum tube maybe idk I'm at work and kinda forgot about the game because of how boring it was. Glad you guys didn't leave much for me to read 🙃 Similarly to what I said I didn't like about HF, I hate people who passive aggressively complain about thread atmosphere. The tone is also incredibly wishy washy. On July 24 2019 01:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I absolutely would ahitpost soam and ask for activity as scum fyi I like to actually playas either alignment WIFOM On July 24 2019 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote: Didn't like your immediate attack on hf when I interpreted hfs entrance as jokey. Easy townreads on me often come from scum this has no basis in evidence just something I've noticed[b/] Pointless suspicion with no supporting evidence. [B]On July 24 2019 02:42 Fecalfeast wrote: The hydra is just jock and bugs right Easily answered spam question. His only real substantial post is about....... drum roll.... lynching lurkers. Which is always a super easy topic for scum to discuss because it doesn't require calling anybody out based on evidence, and usually ends up with a townie lynch. | ||
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Unfortunately I'll mostly be phone posting until late today. I had rayn as town for the HF stuff in the beginning but I may need to reevaluate based off the last 12 hours. | ||
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On July 24 2019 12:59 Holyflare wrote: Maybe it's hard to read but it really doesn't matter what order I put them in in this post because I make a literal timeline that explains it perfectly in my post here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549650-cupids-arrow-mafia?page=12#232 Which you've completely ignored? This timeline actually confuses me more than anything but given rayn's outburst at the hydra I'm starting to doubt myself on a couple reads anyway so I'll back off for now. | ||
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On July 25 2019 00:21 Tubesock wrote: Meap This was 21 hours ago. So, basically first half of the cycle. This is after he said no reads posts until deliberating with Bugs. This entire post is fluff. Did anyone like Koshi's first post? I doubt anyone say any redeeming value in it either. You can say that about almost everyone in the game for most games. So that's a nothingburger. He didn't like how HF tried to dumbclaim his way to town, but then eosn't arrive anywhere with it. It's convoluted for mafia but in HF's mafia range. Ok, that's a nothingburger statement too. Vivax - nothingburger, well he said it best. Saying V is a nothingburger leaves the rest of us with nothing. It would have at least said something if Jock then said Vivax being a nothingburger is most likely mafia. That would be substantial, and useful for town. Coag - of course scumclaims suck. He got heat for it immediately too. So this is a useless comment from town. FF - dunno. More nothingburger. Why not have a line about Chezinu and Alakaslam? They both are most likely similiar as in complete tossups. Why include FF? Feels like it's easier to later throw shade on FF than succomb to the law of Brown or Chupazi. Eywa - quickly scumreading someone isn't scummy. But apparently it is for Jock, so why isn't HF scumread too? rayn - he just finished a shitfight and has no read??? From the tone I would think he would scumread him. That isn't neccessarily scummy, but yet another player listed with zero information for town. This entire post is fluffy fluff. What is the purpose of it? To give town his reactions? How did any of them help town? You're not wrong that some of these are easy reads, but the first two are the most important imo. You can say "nobody liked Koshi's post" but stuff like that gets lost if people don't point it out. Similar with the crap about HF which also has been dropped. I'm not going to lynch the hydra over it, especially when I agreed with the sentiment at the time it was posted. The game has progressed and so have their reads. I'm going to look elsewhere for D1 scum. | ||
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On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so. The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ: I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal. Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to. I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so. -wherebugsgo Tube has been reading the game well so far and he had you as scum early so I wanted to see if he could back things up a little more. I see where he's coming from but I still think he's wrong. Also I've been an early and often lynch choice in every game I've been in since I started playing again six months ago -_- apparently my town skills took a dive during my 3ish year hiatus. | ||
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On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote: If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game. Pure anti town shitty behaviour. Dont vote for that. Keep anti town in the game. Good move. So I did read it and you're not wrong. Especially when my biggest reason for giving him an early townread was based off something I'm not even sure about anymore. If its between rayn and the hydra I'd rather kill rayn at this point. Koshi's posts today have also made him a solid townread for me. | ||
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On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip. The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then. I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment. Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer. Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one. I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy. Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really.. I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town. My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read. He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track. See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone. Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2. If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous. On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. | ||
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On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote: Pandain for me is borderline policy. The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points. I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too. | ||
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I'm reasonably certain HF is town at this point which makes me less confident vivax was killed because of his reads and more likely scum were hunting the other mason. Pandain is still on my scum list but that's just based off of activity and meta rather than vivax. The people trying to get the Hydra killed are really off the mark here. If anything the Hydra is one of the few people most actively scumhunting. Tube I understand you're kinda playing the devil's advocate this game but at this point I think your tunnel of the hydra is unproductive. | ||
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On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote: Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world. It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her? Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still. | ||
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On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her? Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still. Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now. | ||
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