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Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 20:25 GMT
#2061
Pandain did atcvertain points, I think it was N3 and N2, cosy up really good with MZ.
He eagerly jumped onto throw shade at Branch train.

Pandain would be my first choice for next lynch, but as always, I am open to discussions.
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
August 02 2019 20:26 GMT
#2062
@ Branch

You are using 'statement of fact' to develop a read based on admission/ proof of playstyle. This is the darn definition of meta reads. You DID use it and chirped at many people asking about HF. You obviously had thoughts and you're used past experience to augment those thoughts. Saying you didn't is a lie.

You admit again to having played with Chezinu. Even assuming never played forum mafia is fine I guess? I'm not spending the time to filter you right now to see, but you obviously have played. On this site or another, voice (not sure Chezinu plays voice?) At any rate your posting implies you are definitely NOT new to mafia. Claiming this as a reason to find people crumby is just picking straw.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 02 2019 20:26 GMT
#2063
I think pandain and eversince are probably scum tbh.
Eversince is still a great lynch for all the same reasons as yesterday. MZ said that push was bullshit. MZ mafia.

-J
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Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
August 02 2019 20:28 GMT
#2064
On August 03 2019 05:22 NoSmurfHere wrote:
His reentranced smelled off, and EOD he was considering between MZ and Branch. But he was second to last to vote MZ?

ES holding votes for a longass time is rubbing me the wrong way too. I think if MZ got jumped on like he did yesterday it’s likely that at least one scum would hold their vote to see if they can push an alternate

Branch as much as his posts are dumb looks townier. Arguing up to EOD...? Is he really gonna put that effort in as a new scum player?

-wherebugsgo


Go through every game I've ever played on this site. Me not using votes as leverage and waiting until almost deadline is just standard ES play. I rarely deviate from it. It's NAI at best ..
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 02 2019 20:28 GMT
#2065
Nice, I mean, at least 1 of my early reads were good. >_<
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 02 2019 20:30 GMT
#2066
On August 03 2019 05:28 Eywa- wrote:
Nice, I mean, at least 1 of my early reads were good. >_<


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-J
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 02 2019 20:32 GMT
#2067
Well if you guys agree on Pandain. We will do Pandain.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 02 2019 20:32 GMT
#2068
Guess hydra dies tonight?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 02 2019 20:32 GMT
#2069
Leave your reads.
I had a good night of sleep.
NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 02 2019 20:33 GMT
#2070
On August 03 2019 05:32 Koshi wrote:
Leave your reads.


I just left mine, ES and pandain.

I wanna go through MZ filter though so that could change before end of night.

-J
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 02 2019 20:47 GMT
#2071
On August 03 2019 05:32 Koshi wrote:
Well if you guys agree on Pandain. We will do Pandain.


Wait.
Me you and bugs all agree on Eversince, you didn't seem to agree on pandain.
Lynch eversince.
-J
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 02 2019 20:49 GMT
#2072
Branch you're more sure of pandain than ES?
Lets figure this out before we die.
-J
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 02 2019 21:12 GMT
#2073
I’m personally more sure on Pandain than anyone else atm.

I’d kill Eversince too. But there is a good chance that mafia bussed today.

-wherebugsgo
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Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 22:42 GMT
#2074
I will go through everything tomorrow and look at the game with fresh eyes. Right now, pandain is my top choice to lynch
NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 03 2019 01:39 GMT
#2075
On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.

The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:

I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.

Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.

I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.

-wherebugsgo


We started with this and then lynched several townies in a row. I’m bad.

both of us caught on MZ day 1 and I got distracted by townies being dumb and playing contrary to their wincon as happens every game. Oh well. Credit to Jock for pursuing that today when I haven’t had the time nor desire to reread at all and rereading is really critical here.

MZ townread Koshi and Tube:

On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
From the look of things we lose Rayn.

Not good. He is a strong player.


Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.

Anyway, so people can make associations later:

My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.

Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.

I vote him to save Rayn.


I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.

The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.

I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.


Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.

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On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote:
I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.

Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.

I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.

Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here

I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?

I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.

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On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote:
Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..

I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.

My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.


Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.

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On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote:
I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.

Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.

I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.

This guy is town most likely.
Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.


Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.

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On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.

He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.

See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.

Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.

If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.

I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.

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On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote:
0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.


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On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote:
I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.


Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.

Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.


I think it’s really rare that scum will hard townread a partner early in the game, usually they just townread an actual townie because it’s an easy read to fake. Scumreads they often piggyback unless they’re really bold and active and MZ is not a scum leader, he hates playing scum (although I think his scum play has improved!)

So we can probably safely eliminate Koshi as a possibility here. If MZ did indeed hard townread a scum partner on d1 and then hard pushed him later in the game (and complained about him not dying) then I will swallow my hat, that’s some seriously skilled scum play.

On July 26 2019 22:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The last six hours of Koshi have taken him off my strongest town read list. The sellout defense of slam is not a good look. In my opinion nobody has yet really addressed the TMI piece of the slam case well. And I can't shake my gut meta read either.

I'm reasonably certain HF is town at this point which makes me less confident vivax was killed because of his reads and more likely scum were hunting the other mason. Pandain is still on my scum list but that's just based off of activity and meta rather than vivax.

The people trying to get the Hydra killed are really off the mark here. If anything the Hydra is one of the few people most actively scumhunting. Tube I understand you're kinda playing the devil's advocate this game but at this point I think your tunnel of the hydra is unproductive.


Nice distancing there

On August 02 2019 00:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

But Hydra, Eversince, and Pandain, I need you guys to read this over and seriously think about the lynches you are pushing. Look at Branch. This dude is literally looking for the most opportune lynch to park his vote on and ride out the day. I honestly can't say I've read eversince that closely but I will not be on the same wagon as Branch at lylo.


Very convenient list of 3 names.

I do really think scum’s plan was to win it yesterday by having us all kill branch. It’s kinda proven by what MZ was posting. It also lines up with how damn long both ES and Pandain both 1.) waited to do anything at all (Pandain only mysteriously showed up when I called him out for being a lurking asshole) and 2.) voted.

Just kill Pandain and eversince. GG.

-wherebugsgo






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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 03 2019 01:45 GMT
#2076
So ES needs to explain to the class why Pandain is 100% town now according to her.

If we’re not alive tomorrow then this needs to be priority #1 to flesh out. Why would you ever say only one of Pandain/MZ is scum?

Next, you’ve got to explain why, if Koshi is scum here, would MZ hard bus him on d2 when Koshi had a real good chance of dying. He was runner up to Chezinu and it wasn’t clear that Chezinu would even die at various points when MZ a was pushing Koshi. MZ also hard town-read Koshi early day 1 and it’s a read he flipped on thread sentiment (specifically, Koshi looking worse after rayn died & not doing anything & us trying to kill Koshi)

-wherebugsgo
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Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
August 03 2019 02:30 GMT
#2077
I never said Pandain was 100% town if MZ was mafia.. I said I think there was one mafia between Pandain/MZ. Assuming I think Koshi/Branch is scum I can't think both are mafia yeah?? You make a decent points but I can see a world where mafia just bus m!Koshi early on (D2). He was in trouble D2 so why not bus him when it looks like he can be lynch? Pandain could make sense here, though I thought Slam distancing from Koshi was off for the same reason you said here about MZ/Pand.. I decided then it had to be 1 town/ 1 mafia and Koshi made more sense as mafia.. Same logic applies here :p.

What are your real reasons for scum reading me? I've reread and it's mostly 'ES is super low active' & 'ES isn't herself'. I already explain how activety is bogus reason to scum read me several times. Check out Simple game of mafia if you want proof of my statement -.-.. I was super low activity, didn't spend a ton of time explaining reads, as town that game too. If you guys won't explain a reasonable cause for wanting to lynch me outside this I'm just going to have giggle fits when the game ends when I die !
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Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
August 03 2019 02:33 GMT
#2078
And Koshi continues, he said he was going to re-read me.. Then put a few post of my filter and dropped that task and just called me confirmed scum. So there is that too. Much town play there.
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 03 2019 02:41 GMT
#2079
On August 03 2019 11:30 Eversince wrote:
I never said Pandain was 100% town if MZ was mafia.. I said I think there was one mafia between Pandain/MZ. Assuming I think Koshi/Branch is scum I can't think both are mafia yeah?? You make a decent points but I can see a world where mafia just bus m!Koshi early on (D2). He was in trouble D2 so why not bus him when it looks like he can be lynch? Pandain could make sense here, though I thought Slam distancing from Koshi was off for the same reason you said here about MZ/Pand.. I decided then it had to be 1 town/ 1 mafia and Koshi made more sense as mafia.. Same logic applies here :p.

What are your real reasons for scum reading me? I've reread and it's mostly 'ES is super low active' & 'ES isn't herself'. I already explain how activety is bogus reason to scum read me several times. Check out Simple game of mafia if you want proof of my statement -.-.. I was super low activity, didn't spend a ton of time explaining reads, as town that game too. If you guys won't explain a reasonable cause for wanting to lynch me outside this I'm just going to have giggle fits when the game ends when I die !


You write a lot but really say nothing.

You think one mafia between Pandain/MZ but this is not thinking Pandain is town now? Do you think Pandain is town or not? Very simple question.

Secondly, slam vs Koshi doesn’t matter at all given that between the two a scum has not flipped. No idea how you can make effective associations between players when one flips town or even associate the two pairs here when only MZ has flipped scum. There is no “distancing” when slam was town and Koshi is unflipped.

My reason for scumreading you independent of POE is that 1. instead of helping to figure out the game you throw out a town of maybes and possibilities, basically only when forced to, 2. you spend most of the day afk with your vote uncommitted and then 3. never follow up on promises (what happened to those rereads?) and now 4. you spend most of your effort pointing me to past games to defend yourself instead of doing anything useful.

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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
August 03 2019 02:48 GMT
#2080
Also ES you need to explain how it could possibly be Koshi/Branch when scum was clearly trying to win yesterday (why else would they shoot HF and not us???)

Literally the only two players MZ pushed were Koshi and Branch. Conveniently, the same players you and Pandain were pushing.

Now why the fuck would scum MZ bus BOTH HIS TEAMMATES in order to draw the game out when he hates playing scum and instead could just get a flawless victory?

Did you really think that after the NK our lynch would be MZ? It’s the first thing that has gone against the scum team this game, I highly doubt they were expecting that.

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