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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:48 GMT
#1001
Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post:

On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF I think you played your hand too hard here

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On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
...
You say no, maybe only vivax.

Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?
...


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On May 02 2019 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia?


When did I say vivax wasn't mafia? I don't think he's done anything good or awful. Similarly to you.


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On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum?


What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with.

Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D

I will lynch bugs with you.



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On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain

Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.

Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity.


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On May 02 2019 19:56 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum?


What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with.

Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D

I will lynch bugs with you.



Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't?

I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC.

1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance.
2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance.
3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC?

So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2?



1. What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.

2. Yup.


BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum.

HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list?

BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 04 2019 03:49 GMT
#1002
TBH I am currently filter diving HF as hes had a few posts that make me reallllly question him.

I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes.

So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:59 GMT
#1003
On May 04 2019 12:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
TBH I am currently filter diving HF as hes had a few posts that make me reallllly question him.

I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes.

So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread.


I would suggest first diving HF, then reading in context of the rest of the posts (there aren't many in this game, so it shouldn't take long. That's a nice thing about low activity)

Then, once you've come to some conclusion, I'd suggest looking at my interactions with HF from my filter, and see if your conclusion changes after seeing my perspective.

BTW, the activity bit made me realise one other thing. I wouldn't classify this town as cohesive nor do I think it's a particularly active game. HF is an active player as either alignment and I think moderate activity is great for town while extremes (very low/very high) are often bad for finding scum. HF tends toward a higher-activity type player, but as far as I can tell has expressed no frustrations this game that there are a ton of players who haven't contributed, or haven't even bothered to vote. His attitude comes across more like just apathy and I find it hard to believe that a high activity town player like him wouldn't be a little bothered that they can't easily figure out the game due to people just not participating.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 04:03 GMT
#1004
On May 04 2019 12:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 12:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
TBH I am currently filter diving HF as hes had a few posts that make me reallllly question him.

I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes.

So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread.


I would suggest first diving HF, then reading in context of the rest of the posts (there aren't many in this game, so it shouldn't take long. That's a nice thing about low activity)

Then, once you've come to some conclusion, I'd suggest looking at my interactions with HF from my filter, and see if your conclusion changes after seeing my perspective.

BTW, the activity bit made me realise one other thing. I wouldn't classify this town as cohesive nor do I think it's a particularly active game. HF is an active player as either alignment and I think moderate activity is great for town while extremes (very low/very high) are often bad for finding scum. HF tends toward a higher-activity type player, but as far as I can tell has expressed no frustrations this game that there are a ton of players who haven't contributed, or haven't even bothered to vote. His attitude comes across more like just apathy and I find it hard to believe that a high activity town player like him wouldn't be a little bothered that they can't easily figure out the game due to people just not participating.

This is a strong post. And it DOES suck that there is such low activity in this game, in spite of lack of cohesion it's been relatively pleasant and civil, so it would be really hard for mafia to hide if there WERE more.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 04 2019 04:04 GMT
#1005
On May 04 2019 12:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 12:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
TBH I am currently filter diving HF as hes had a few posts that make me reallllly question him.

I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes.

So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread.


I would suggest first diving HF, then reading in context of the rest of the posts (there aren't many in this game, so it shouldn't take long. That's a nice thing about low activity)

Then, once you've come to some conclusion, I'd suggest looking at my interactions with HF from my filter, and see if your conclusion changes after seeing my perspective.

BTW, the activity bit made me realise one other thing. I wouldn't classify this town as cohesive nor do I think it's a particularly active game. HF is an active player as either alignment and I think moderate activity is great for town while extremes (very low/very high) are often bad for finding scum. HF tends toward a higher-activity type player, but as far as I can tell has expressed no frustrations this game that there are a ton of players who haven't contributed, or haven't even bothered to vote. His attitude comes across more like just apathy and I find it hard to believe that a high activity town player like him wouldn't be a little bothered that they can't easily figure out the game due to people just not participating.



Id say add to this the fact that right after Vivax was modkilled he said the game was super easy but isn't the one leading the charge to said victory.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 04:04 GMT
#1006
You and Pandain both dunked on him to the point of capitulation. Maybe he's just mafia.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 04:06 GMT
#1007
BRO YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW PISSED I'M GONNA BE IF PANDAIN IS MAFIA AND WE DECIDE TO LYNCH TOWN HF
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 04:07 GMT
#1008
On May 04 2019 13:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 12:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 12:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
TBH I am currently filter diving HF as hes had a few posts that make me reallllly question him.

I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes.

So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread.


I would suggest first diving HF, then reading in context of the rest of the posts (there aren't many in this game, so it shouldn't take long. That's a nice thing about low activity)

Then, once you've come to some conclusion, I'd suggest looking at my interactions with HF from my filter, and see if your conclusion changes after seeing my perspective.

BTW, the activity bit made me realise one other thing. I wouldn't classify this town as cohesive nor do I think it's a particularly active game. HF is an active player as either alignment and I think moderate activity is great for town while extremes (very low/very high) are often bad for finding scum. HF tends toward a higher-activity type player, but as far as I can tell has expressed no frustrations this game that there are a ton of players who haven't contributed, or haven't even bothered to vote. His attitude comes across more like just apathy and I find it hard to believe that a high activity town player like him wouldn't be a little bothered that they can't easily figure out the game due to people just not participating.



Id say add to this the fact that right after Vivax was modkilled he said the game was super easy but isn't the one leading the charge to said victory.

This is also a strong add.

Damnit I'm going to lynch HF aren't I?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 04 2019 04:08 GMT
#1009
On May 04 2019 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
BRO YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW PISSED I'M GONNA BE IF PANDAIN IS MAFIA AND WE DECIDE TO LYNCH TOWN HF



Why do you think I haven't pulled that trigger yet. Im still unsure on if im second guessing just how easy this all this and making it more complicated than it has to =\
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 04:08 GMT
#1010
On May 04 2019 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
BRO YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW PISSED I'M GONNA BE IF PANDAIN IS MAFIA AND WE DECIDE TO LYNCH TOWN HF


dude I 100% agree with you here. However at some point I need to put my money where my mouth is, idc if literally everyone else thinks Pandain is scum, I'm sticking to my guns and not buying it.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 04:10 GMT
#1011
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 04 2019 04:24 GMT
#1012
On May 04 2019 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 12:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
On May 04 2019 11:35 Pandain wrote:
To summarize me on Jock:

I thought he was an okay lynch for day 1, not great but decent for day1. I was lukewarm about him and had more a gut read on rels (although that vibe more disappeared when it became clear rels was not lurking but just genuinely afk). At end of day, I became concerned with the complete lack or drive attempts away from jock which suggested to me he's town. I tried to switch to rels (who I was still not sold on but viewed it like an RNG lynch because he was essentially inactive) , but Rayn would only be down for vivax or bugs. I realized vivax was a great lynch and pushed for him.

Later I posted I think a couple mafia were maybe on Jock, this is because he was the lazy but decent day 1 choice . It didn't mean of course I thought everyone who voted him is suspicious but it does mean I thought scum would vote him too. This has been at least vindicated by vivax flipping.


I kinda hate this post. It sorta frames yesterday as being all about rayn and who rayn wanted to lynch when there was actually quite a bit of turbulence from what I can tell reading the end of day after the fact. Then trying to claim points for saying that a 'couple mafia were maybe on jock' as if anyone gives a shit about VCA that basically says 'I think maybe mafia had a hand in killing this towny!'

Two paragraphs that kinda boil down to "not my fault, remember how I scumread vivax?"


his summary is not inaccurate, just go back and read it from his perspective.

Say Pandain is town. He is not sold on Jock. He's around for lynch.

He asks anyone in the thread if they're up for a switch to Rels. rayn is around and says no, only Vivax or me. Pandain agrees with rayn on Vivax (but not me) so he switches to Vivax and tries to get shenanigans.

I think boiling this down to "I'm not scum because I scumread vivax" is oversimplistic.

fair enough I didn't filter anything I just talked about the post in a vacuum. That said I still don't like the post.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 04 2019 04:26 GMT
#1013
Fuck I mean part of always townreading HF is that I actually really want to lynch him every game just because
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 04 2019 04:29 GMT
#1014
On May 03 2019 07:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2019 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
Hm didn't realise there was miller too. Pretty shit if it's gf miller though.


how the fuck can you not realise there is a miller if you're a cop


You think i read op? Hahaha


On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.

Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed.


This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me)

how many mafia are left


It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp.

Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more?


Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell?

I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed.


No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot.


What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game?


On May 04 2019 09:37 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 04 2019 09:35 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:
[quote]

This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me)

how many mafia are left


It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp.

Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more?


Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell?

I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed.


No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot.


What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game?


Ok I was just going off the top of my head, I'm not an expert on balance. 1KP just seemed low compared to the 2KP last game and 3KPin end of the world mafia.

Honestly if you both want to lynch me because I miscaculated what KP should be off the top of my head go ahead. Going for these "gotcha" moments instead of actual scumhunting is one of the reasons why the town play on these forums tends to be pretty low.


Way to trivialise it. This is just one of many points against.


The only okay points are lack of activity night one and fake inconsistencies regarding Jock, which I addressed and you never responded to. It absolutely was not inconsistent at all.


I didn't like your response and chose to ignore it in favour of my perceived chain of events which makes you look pretty scummy if I do say so myself.



Highlighting these three primarily because he fake claims (whatever he does it a lot) however does it and didnt read the OP to realize the chance of a miller existed. The key part to this is the not reading the OP.

Follow that into the 2nd quote. That is the statement pandain made that warranted HF to vote for him. Which given all the other content going around the thread was a pretty weak statement to jump on. Moreso because it was lack of reading the OP related that HF himself is guilty of.

Now the third quote. Literally stating that he is ignoring what someone said in favour of his own views. If he truly believed Pandain is mafia, he would be able to use pandains words as a reasons for this and actions, not just ignore them and make up ones own version of the events.

Pretty sure he also dodged MZ's questions when MZ wanted to know about the shit related to the fakeclaim.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 04:30 GMT
#1015
I'm suspicious of anyone seriously trying to get Rels killed before it's clear whether he gets modkilled or not and MZ most of all because his read shifts make no sense from a "I'm town and I'm trying to figure out who's scum" perspective. Here's the progression, as usual emphasis mine.

On May 03 2019 11:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 03 2019 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 10:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 03 2019 10:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 10:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 03 2019 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm fine lynching with HFs claim.

I need to think more about VE's Pandain push. I very much hate when players come in and try to claim towncred for stuff they weren't responsible for so I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of what VE was saying.

However if HF's redcheck is real it makes it look like VE was trying to chainsaw defend Bugs.


do you have any real opinions?

Do you?

I think Pandain's post N1 stuff looks terrible.
I was liking what HF posted before he even claimed a check on you so that was just a warm fuzzy.

VE is almost always town, however the Pandain push is going to look very suspect if you flip red.

I feel like that was pretty obvious from my post. If you want more opinions on individuals you'll have to wait until I've filtered people. If you have anyone you'd like me to address first just let me know.


Let's hear what you have to say on BC. I'm assuming right now you think he's town and I want to hear why.

I also want to know what you think of Koshi and FF.

Like I said to FF feel free to assume I'm town as you respond to me, because that's what I'll flip. If you're town, it's going to make your life much easier later.

ohhh now we're having fun, why on earth do you think I read BC as town?

I'll get to the others in a second but I wanna know where this "MZ reads BC town" came from.


just a hunch, since you agreed with the same wagon on d1, and you think I am scum & making associations on VE & Pandain.

I find it hard to believe that anyone could think I am scum with BC but maybe I just don't really understand how mafia works anymore.

On May 02 2019 00:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Order of people who need to be lynched currently.

Jock
Rels
FF

Rels and FF are interchangeable atm.

If Igrok isn't modkilled then add him to that list if he magically comes back to hit the minimum post requirements.


In terms of everyone else.
BC - Town
Pandain - lean town
WBG -lean town
HF - lean town
VE - Lean town

Koshi - Neutral
Rayn - Neutral

Grack, MZ and Vivax are all on my watch list atm as they arent performing as they should as town.



On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.

Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.

Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.


Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.

I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.

Well I really don't like either of these two incredibly opportunistic posts right here. And you and BC could very easily be scum together so let's not get all caught up in wifom as to why you two "couldn't be scum together" shall we.

I would say BC is less likely to flip red than Pandain but I certainly don't have him as turbo town.

Koshi is null:
On May 02 2019 05:52 Koshi wrote:
I am shooting Fefe tonight. #Truestory

But I would love to get a follow on with that.

Rels... might actually be a great follow on if Pandain isn't scum:
On May 03 2019 02:10 Rels wrote:
gotta stop now, lunch break is over. I'm almost caught up, bugs and Vivax scums. Vivax is a really good wagon to start D2 with as he doesn't know how to defend as scum

This post right here was two hours before them flip, funny how it mentions vivax who scum probably would have known by then was gonna get modkilled...


okay, so just to clarify:

1. you're assuming I am scum
2. you're fairly convinced Pandain is scum
3. You're townish on BC? Less likely than Pandain but not turbo town? What's keeping you from taking a stance on BC?
4. Koshi is null/unreadable.
5. Rels might be a good lead IFF Pandain is not scum because he might have slipped on knowing about Vivax.

Is that right? Can you clarify on #3? I want to hear more about BC.

Jesus you are dense
You have a red check backing up good analysis done by HF, of course I think you're scum
Yes
I have no idea how you got townish on BC, if anything I'd say scummish. The only reason you don't think I have a stance on BC is bc you're being obtuse. I think he made two very opportunistic posts and aside from that has done fuck all. Rels is probably scum before BC because of his TMI post but if by some godawful stroke of luck you are a miller and Pandain is also town then BC would be next up of most likely suspects in my eyes.
Yes
Yes


Also the last "Yes" here is confirming this: "Rels might be a good lead IFF Pandain is not scum because he might have slipped on knowing about Vivax."

On May 04 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok two hours to go.

I want to do shenanigans. HF not around to defend or explain his actions is making me not like the bugs lynch more and more.

Like I said early game, I'd rather not just lynch through the most active voices who find themselves on the wrong thread sentiment.

I would like to go after Rels for the tmi post and complete afk.
After the death of the gf I'd imagine scum morale is pretty low and if townies are pointing fingers at townies their best strategy is to lurk.


Weird things here:

1. HF is not around to defend/explain. Why would MZ not comment here on HF then?? Does he think HF is scummier for it? He clearly thinks I'm less likely to be scum but why does me being scum hinge on HF being around and not, you know, his own reading of the game???

2. The progression from earlier based on my highlight would be me/Pandain, THEN BC, THEN Rels. Okay, if MZ thinks me & Pandain are both town then that's fine, but the only suggestion that MZ is even thinking about Pandain is this post somewhat before:

On May 04 2019 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
HF you really need to explain your whole bugs thing.

Also Pandain's absence is really annoying


And why would an absence make someone more town?

The second half of that statement in that above post, this:


Like I said early game, I'd rather not just lynch through the most active voices who find themselves on the wrong thread sentiment.

I would like to go after Rels for the tmi post and complete afk.


is also really weird. It's like MZ is self-aware his stated top "scumreads" are all "active" players: Myself, Pandain, BC in that order. However BC didn't come back and show any sort of activity either, so why has Rels suddenly jumped to the top of the list?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 05:00 GMT
#1016
I mean I imagine he'd say because Pandain is actually getting lynched already, but that is weird. It wasn't until after that post that BC came back.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 05:09 GMT
#1017
okay I realized I missed that MZ said this:

Rels is probably scum before BC because of his TMI post but


So it's not completely weird, but the point still stands that BC had not reentered the thread when MZ was all like "yeah let's kill Rels for not doing anything and posting about Vivax being scum"

Half the players in the game said Vivax was scum at some point, e.g. Grack also said if Vivax is scum we could get him day 2. Rels mentioning only me and Vivax is also completely understandable if he focused a lot on rayn's posts because we were the two main players rayn called out. The OP makes activity & voting rules fairly clear for this game so if Rels ever shows up again we can discuss at that point. Currently though it's a waste of time.

I'm going to be gone for a while, here's my current state of the game:

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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 05:14 GMT
#1018
On May 04 2019 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 04 2019 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I'm not voting Rels. If you want to get down on a lurker lynch, I suggest Pandain as A) he's lurking B) he has content by which to judge him and C) there's a preestablished interest in removing him from town.

The only person AGAINST his lynch vocally is the other wagon.

That you're poopooing his lynch makes you WAY more suspicious to me.

I wouldn't really say Pandain lurking in the same way Rels is. Rels seems to have given up which is what I'd expect whereas Pandain was still trying when he was here. I think your case against Pandain is good, I've said that a bunch of times, but I think you're tunneled on him at this point and not considering other options.

If you think it's good, then you should vote for it rather than cheerlead it while trying to get me to vote on a coinflip, yeah?

Otherwise it just looks like you're trying to manipulate me into doing what you want. Is that what you're doing?

He also was doing this.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 04 2019 05:15 GMT
#1019
heh VE we the same scummy level
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 05:17 GMT
#1020
On May 04 2019 14:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
heh VE we the same scummy level

I know they're gonna shit when they realize the ride we've taken them on.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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