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On May 04 2019 18:19 Holyflare wrote:
Who was it that has given koshi a pass by the way? Was only recently but cba to check. If you have come around on Pandain somehow and have bugs as a town read then Koshi is literally just afking and pretending to sheep rayn as a do nothing clause on your two town reads. Unless it was bugs himself and then that's even worse.
Was ve and ff. Interesting.
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Decided it doesn't mean anything for now. Don't let Koshi pass though he hasn't got any original thoughts which is quite bad.
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Something that also probably means something is that he hasn't tried to insult me yet either.
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Actually made me read Koshi's filter and god damn is that guy just doing shit all.
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And whoever said I called the game really easy and have done nothing with that, talk about opportunistic as fuck cherry picking, that was when I was fake claiming a cop check saying I've caught mafia.
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I'm currently visiting my parents and viewing houses so if you keep me in for at least this cycle I'll be home Sunday evening onwards and it's a bank holiday so at least you'll have ignited some kind of flame in me by then to play and I'll be at a pc instead. That's where I'm at my most dangerous.
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And I'll let you in on a little secret, most of my power and being ok-good as town only ever came from conversational play. Its true my gameplay has decreased recently but only because everyone else has fucked off and become afk and I guess so have I. I'm a tone reader more than anything and when I don't get to interact all I'm left with is facts and facts are bad because townies do bad shit all the time unfortunately.
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@HF yes I was wishy washy on Jock. Of course I agreed with points that made him suspicious but it didn't mean I felt it meant anything very significant.
It's day 1 dude what do you want. And I was very transparent the whole day that I was iffy on Jock, it's not like I was gungho about him and then trying to lynch people who voted him later
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And re: rels I don't feel comfortable just accepting other people's meta reads on rels. If I do meta reads it's because I know the person myself. That's why I didn't really care about "town rels" shit day 1 meta.
Mostly because if I just accepted that scummy play from someone was their meta and then they turn out to be scum I would be pretty infuriated.
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Basically theres nothing secret about my play.
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On May 04 2019 20:27 Pandain wrote:
@HF yes I was wishy washy on Jock. Of course I agreed with points that made him suspicious but it didn't mean I felt it meant anything very significant.
It's day 1 dude what do you want. And I was very transparent the whole day that I was iffy on Jock, it's not like I was gungho about him and then trying to lynch people who voted him later
Yes I know your point of view. I just have my own assumption about it.
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HF going through the 7 stages of grief at like 1 every 3 posts
looks like we're at bargaining atm
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I think one of the biggest things about HF is his play just doesn't seem comprehensive. You don't see him making strong town reads or talking about anyone scum besides me and bugs.
That may be enough for other people, but HF in other games is almost crazy thorough, constantly reanalyzing things and changing perspectives and trying to figure out the game holistically, both town and mafia. Particuarly in a game this small it's alarming.
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On May 04 2019 20:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 20:27 Pandain wrote:
@HF yes I was wishy washy on Jock. Of course I agreed with points that made him suspicious but it didn't mean I felt it meant anything very significant.
It's day 1 dude what do you want. And I was very transparent the whole day that I was iffy on Jock, it's not like I was gungho about him and then trying to lynch people who voted him later Yes I know your point of view. I just have my own assumption about it.
Ok but my perspective is backed up by my posts whole your perspective is just conjecture. I said a few times I wasn't sold on Jock
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Like what does HF really believe outside of me and bugs? It's not obvious .
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On May 04 2019 20:42 Pandain wrote:
Like what does HF really believe outside of me and bugs? It's not obvious .
and he supposedly plays a conversational game, yet every time myself or rayn or anyone else tried to ask him about reads he'd troll or say he already talked about them (when he didn't) and when pushed to the point where refusing would be too scummy he'd say nothing. He's still doing that actually, in his rant he randomly mentions MZ as a lurker (wat)
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On May 04 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post: On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:HF I think you played your hand too hard here On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
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You say no, maybe only vivax.
Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?
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On May 02 2019 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia? When did I say vivax wasn't mafia? I don't think he's done anything good or awful. Similarly to you. On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain
Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.
Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity. On May 02 2019 19:56 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't? I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC. 1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance. 2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance. 3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC? So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2? 1. What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.
2. Yup. BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum. HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list? If dodging means skipping over it because it should be really obvious then yes. I didn't think what vivax had done was enough to read him anything, as stated in all of those posts. I still don't know why, for the fourth time, you quote my poe post as if it's some revelation. It's poe, process of elimination. The list is simply people I don't town read that I think are most likely to be mafia because it's within their range. That is why vivax is there because his activity is either afk or his staple mafia play. That is why koshi, who I actually town read slightly day 1 is there, because koshi is perfectly capable of appearing town for short spans of time day 1.
it's PoE but it's missing MZ and grack, the latter of which you've mentioned a whopping total of what...never? Once or twice at most? We're not playing the same game if you think MZ is a lurker, either.
Here's what HF posted in his big rant. He talks about breaking down his thoughts but literally nothing he posted is new, it's just a rehashing of the same old same old that's been rebutted 5000 times.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not gonna lie I'm really busy and that's almost eerily accurate to exactly how I'm playing this game though.
It's a lie I'm not aware of the thread though, I just don't allude to everything I'm thinking.
I'll break it down:
I didn't and still don't like Pandain's day 1. I don't care if it's how you felt and if vivax was on Jock, Jock was a good vote that Pandain supported it but at every opportunity was wishy washy af about joining it ESPECIALLY as his reason for voting rels was pointed out as incorrect repeatedly. Yeah, you and he call it hedging and whatever but to me it doesn't look like hedging, it now looks quite like he may have seen a mafia partner on Jock and not wanted to join it.
if we're going to talk wishy washy, minus actual votes (because he hasn't yet voted, not once) this all equally applies to MZ but here we are nearing the end of D2 and you still don't have an opinion on him.
The last part is just baseless speculation.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:I didn't like all the credit he's trying to take for the vivax flip or how he talked about being banned for just bussing in one breath while then changing his tune to saying another thing about bussing in another breath.
what in the fuck are you talking about? This is such a misrepresentation of what actually happened.
all he said was that people who are willing to lynch him who aren't looking at the vote situation on d1 are missing the fact that given how many people hadn't voted, it would be highly risky to try and off his teammate if he were scum. He then said if bussing is common on the forum then we can just consider this a null tell, because of your protests about it.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
I think his post on BC isn't exactly wrong in any regard but it looks very much like just a deflection to someone equally afk rather than a constructive scum read.
baseless speculation. Also BC was legitimately scummy until just earlier today when he reentered the thread. You can only get away with town reading BC "because he only said things you agreed with" for so long.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:I'd probably vote a lurker over him at this point though like mz who just asks questions over and over again but doesn't really contribute anything himself. Maybe actually alakaslam who I forgot was even in the game.
MZ is a lurker? ROFL
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
Bugs, I dunno about you. I genuinely thought you were mafia and still hedge over you repeatedly. I look for how people spend their little time in the game and you spent an inordinate amount of time defending Pandian n1 before Pandain had even commented on anything. Your narrative didn't gel with my own meta on Pandain in the slightest and certainly, after just playing with him, his 1 game meta feels wildly different from last game did. That's why I claimed a red check on you. Partly to see how you'd react, which was horribly, pretty much just accepting my check was real and assuming you were a miller and that I'd never do this as mafia while simultaneously trying to shit all over it and give situations where I'm mafia. I think your Pandain repeated defence this cycle isn't necessarily out of character based on your n1 but it seems like that was all you were doing.
If you're town, after we established that your ability to read meta sucks nards on d1 w.r.t Jock I'd imagine that you might actually consider what I had to say but you just brushed me off. You never tried to work with me despite the multiple times I tried to open a conversation with you, and you even trolled the rayn when he asked you about your read on me. In hindsight that smells a lot like you were stalling as long as possible so you wouldn't have to commit to anything when talking to rayn because you knew he would die soon afterward anyway.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:I dunno if I'm just not invested in mafia anymore or if I'm just busy but it feels unfun to play this game. I think it might be mainly the activity of other people and I just got tired of talking to mafia reads while everyone else afks. In fact that's most likely it. Tbh even my mafia read afkd so maybe it's just everyone afking I hate.
I normally don't read too much into statements like these because I assume they're probably pretty legit and honest. I think this is actually HF's real opinion here, but not because he's town. It's far more likely IMO that HF is just sad that he got stuck with a shit team and his GF got modkilled n1. I also think that HF didn't feel this way earlier in the game because he 1. trolled rayn and to a lesser extent trolled me as well, 2. seemed happy enough before:
On May 02 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm having so much fun though :D
On May 02 2019 05:06 Holyflare wrote:![[image loading]](https://media1.tenor.com/images/02b02664d3572560d1e977011c88a094/tenor.gif)
and to top it all off 3. HF has never actually done anything this game to try and fix this problem; in fact, despite saying he's a conversational scumhunter he's actively made it worse by withholding reads, not responding, and not initiating any conversations himself. All of this supposed frustration this game seems to only be coming up now after I posted my suspicion of a lack of frustration about activity on HF's part.
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aight I'm gonna sleep a bit early in the off-chance I can wake up in ~7 hours to catch the flip. No last minute vote swaps today please, we're killing HF and HF only.
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