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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 12:51 GMT
#1061
On May 04 2019 20:42 Pandain wrote:
Like what does HF really believe outside of me and bugs? It's not obvious .


Do you want me to pick and choose between mz on almost no posts/koshi on almost no posts and alakaslam the unreadable mess?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 12:55 GMT
#1062
On May 04 2019 21:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 20:42 Pandain wrote:
Like what does HF really believe outside of me and bugs? It's not obvious .


Do you want me to pick and choose between mz on almost no posts/koshi on almost no posts and alakaslam the unreadable mess?


I mean, you have to choose someone even according to your own logic because you said myself and Pandain can't be scum together
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 13:03 GMT
#1063
You guys are fucking morons. I'm the veteran, put two and two things together. I thought pandain was mafia and voted him because he alluded to there being 2kp and it being blocked and I was a very likely target to be shot.

I asked artanis to clarify the kp, not bugs, because it didn't say it in the OP and if you actually read the thread I'm the one asking about it.

I fake claimed cop because I was likely one of the only blues in the game and probably could.


Just because I don't give a shit doesn't make me mafia. There's 100s of my town games where I just don't give a shit about the game and conveniently this just happens to be a weekend I'm busy purchasing a house. Why should I talk about anyone else when mz is a lurker in my point of view.

He comes in to make one post or two every 24 hours.

Koshi similarly.

Alakaslam no idea whatsoever.

I think it's pretty opportune to push me over any of these people when anyone knows the only alignment I actually care about winning is as mafia. Town I just want to be correct and do my own thing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 13:04 GMT
#1064
On May 04 2019 21:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 21:51 Holyflare wrote:
On May 04 2019 20:42 Pandain wrote:
Like what does HF really believe outside of me and bugs? It's not obvious .


Do you want me to pick and choose between mz on almost no posts/koshi on almost no posts and alakaslam the unreadable mess?


I mean, you have to choose someone even according to your own logic because you said myself and Pandain can't be scum together


Thus my vote is only on one of you.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 13:15 GMT
#1065
On May 04 2019 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
You guys are fucking morons. I'm the veteran, put two and two things together. I thought pandain was mafia and voted him because he alluded to there being 2kp and it being blocked and I was a very likely target to be shot.

I asked artanis to clarify the kp, not bugs, because it didn't say it in the OP and if you actually read the thread I'm the one asking about it.

I fake claimed cop because I was likely one of the only blues in the game and probably could.


Just because I don't give a shit doesn't make me mafia. There's 100s of my town games where I just don't give a shit about the game and conveniently this just happens to be a weekend I'm busy purchasing a house. Why should I talk about anyone else when mz is a lurker in my point of view.

He comes in to make one post or two every 24 hours.

Koshi similarly.

Alakaslam no idea whatsoever.

I think it's pretty opportune to push me over any of these people when anyone knows the only alignment I actually care about winning is as mafia. Town I just want to be correct and do my own thing.


sick scum claim, HF is now trying to change the narrative on the KP question LOL

I sent a PM and asked how is KP calculated right after posting this:

On May 04 2019 09:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 09:32 Holyflare wrote:
Probably correct but op says no such thing and theres no given mafia vig role. It would have to be factional 1 time kp which is sneaky from mods. It also means a pretty bad slip from panda.


actually the more I think about it, I think the KP bit is not alignment indicative

I can’t actually think of a good reason for someone from either faction to speculate about a doctor save. It looks bad, but I’m not sure it’s scummy.


I also claimed the question immediately after and tried to shut down the talk about KP because HF was using it to call Pandain scum.

HF doesn't even mention it until 8 hours later:

On May 04 2019 17:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 04 2019 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was asked about Mafia KP.
Mafia KP is fixed at 1.


k now we can stop speculating on useless stuff

It was in the OP, your dumbtell is not accepted.


It absolutely wasn't, trust me


Sure, he was asleep or whatever, so timing doesn't work. Fine. But he wasn't the only one speculating nor wondering about KP, given that I was in the thread literally at the same time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 13:20 GMT
#1066
So what if you did? It's not a scum claim. I literally voted Pandain because I'm the veteran and thought his 2kp thing was a slip so thus I asked the question.

What's my mafia explanation bugs and why are you trying to twist it to something when it's really quite straightforward?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 13:23 GMT
#1067
On May 04 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post:

On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF I think you played your hand too hard here

On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
...
You say no, maybe only vivax.

Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?
...


On May 02 2019 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia?


When did I say vivax wasn't mafia? I don't think he's done anything good or awful. Similarly to you.


On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum?


What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with.

Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D

I will lynch bugs with you.



On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain

Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.

Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity.


On May 02 2019 19:56 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum?


What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with.

Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D

I will lynch bugs with you.



Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't?

I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC.

1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance.
2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance.
3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC?

So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2?



1. What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.

2. Yup.


BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum.

HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list?



If dodging means skipping over it because it should be really obvious then yes. I didn't think what vivax had done was enough to read him anything, as stated in all of those posts.

I still don't know why, for the fourth time, you quote my poe post as if it's some revelation. It's poe, process of elimination. The list is simply people I don't town read that I think are most likely to be mafia because it's within their range. That is why vivax is there because his activity is either afk or his staple mafia play. That is why koshi, who I actually town read slightly day 1 is there, because koshi is perfectly capable of appearing town for short spans of time day 1.


Please answer this bugs. Why do you incessantly push my poe list as something scummy? Do you understand what poe is?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 13:31 GMT
#1068
On May 04 2019 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
So what if you did? It's not a scum claim. I literally voted Pandain because I'm the veteran and thought his 2kp thing was a slip so thus I asked the question.

What's my mafia explanation bugs and why are you trying to twist it to something when it's really quite straightforward?


cool story bro, it's literally unbelievable that if you're actually the veteran it took you 30+ minutes to vote him after he talked about there being multiple KP. If you're actually the veteran you'd have just called him scum in the exact same post immediately rather than going to read the OP, asking him if he's dumbtelling, asking him if he's played in a game of this size with more than 1 kp, etc.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 13:32 GMT
#1069
On May 04 2019 22:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:
On May 04 2019 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post:

On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF I think you played your hand too hard here

On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
...
You say no, maybe only vivax.

Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?
...


On May 02 2019 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia?


When did I say vivax wasn't mafia? I don't think he's done anything good or awful. Similarly to you.


On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum?


What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with.

Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D

I will lynch bugs with you.



On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain

Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.

Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity.


On May 02 2019 19:56 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum?


What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with.

Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D

I will lynch bugs with you.



Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't?

I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC.

1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance.
2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance.
3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC?

So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2?



1. What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.

2. Yup.


BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum.

HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list?



If dodging means skipping over it because it should be really obvious then yes. I didn't think what vivax had done was enough to read him anything, as stated in all of those posts.

I still don't know why, for the fourth time, you quote my poe post as if it's some revelation. It's poe, process of elimination. The list is simply people I don't town read that I think are most likely to be mafia because it's within their range. That is why vivax is there because his activity is either afk or his staple mafia play. That is why koshi, who I actually town read slightly day 1 is there, because koshi is perfectly capable of appearing town for short spans of time day 1.


Please answer this bugs. Why do you incessantly push my poe list as something scummy? Do you understand what poe is?


IF. IT. IS. P.O.E. AND. YOU. HAVE. NEVER. READ. M.Z. AS. TOWN. WHY. IS. HIS. NAME. NOT. THERE?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 13:39 GMT
#1070
On May 04 2019 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
So what if you did? It's not a scum claim. I literally voted Pandain because I'm the veteran and thought his 2kp thing was a slip so thus I asked the question.

What's my mafia explanation bugs and why are you trying to twist it to something when it's really quite straightforward?


cool story bro, it's literally unbelievable that if you're actually the veteran it took you 30+ minutes to vote him after he talked about there being multiple KP. If you're actually the veteran you'd have just called him scum in the exact same post immediately rather than going to read the OP, asking him if he's dumbtelling, asking him if he's played in a game of this size with more than 1 kp, etc.


Not really unbelievable at all? I checked op after he said it and it said nothing. I asked him to clarify since just voting him would likely reveal my role and then I asked artanis for clarification twice. Once to see if I get notified which was actually in the op that I didn't read and a second to ask about whether mafia would have an extra factional kp would it be in the op since there wasn't an extra role with kp.

All those things take time.

Also just because I haven't read someone doesn't mean they can't be in my poe? They're in my poe exactly because I haven't read them and my gut from interaction wasn't a town read.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 13:40 GMT
#1071
On May 02 2019 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
And all those shitty afkers and ff I guess but pointless trying to include those shitters yet.

Interestingly ff left pandain out of his read list.


Literally the next post after my list.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 13:41 GMT
#1072
What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 13:44 GMT
#1073
On May 04 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
So what if you did? It's not a scum claim. I literally voted Pandain because I'm the veteran and thought his 2kp thing was a slip so thus I asked the question.

What's my mafia explanation bugs and why are you trying to twist it to something when it's really quite straightforward?


cool story bro, it's literally unbelievable that if you're actually the veteran it took you 30+ minutes to vote him after he talked about there being multiple KP. If you're actually the veteran you'd have just called him scum in the exact same post immediately rather than going to read the OP, asking him if he's dumbtelling, asking him if he's played in a game of this size with more than 1 kp, etc.


Not really unbelievable at all? I checked op after he said it and it said nothing. I asked him to clarify since just voting him would likely reveal my role and then I asked artanis for clarification twice. Once to see if I get notified which was actually in the op that I didn't read and a second to ask about whether mafia would have an extra factional kp would it be in the op since there wasn't an extra role with kp.

All those things take time.

Also just because I haven't read someone doesn't mean they can't be in my poe? They're in my poe exactly because I haven't read them and my gut from interaction wasn't a town read.


keep digging yourself deeper, your explanations just keep surfacing more questions and make it clear you're just making this up on the spot. If you asked for clarification and were worried about revealing your role by just voting him why wouldn't you wait until after the question was answered to vote him?

Also, if FF and slam were voting your supposed scumread of Pandain, why the fuck would they be completely null to you?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 13:49 GMT
#1074
anyway I'm leaving for real this time. don't let HF weasel his way out of this lynch, he's desperate scum flailing at any chance to live
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 13:55 GMT
#1075
I'll take up the watch from here Bugs, good night and good luck
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 13:58 GMT
#1076
HF HF HF, you let them talk me out of Pandain my guy. You should have been here!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 14:08 GMT
#1077
On May 04 2019 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I fake claimed cop because I was likely one of the only blues in the game and probably could.

Unfortunately, this is where HF story falls apart. There's no reason for him to think he's likely one of the only blues in the game directly after a GF flips. It's reasonable to assume that because there's a GF in the game, there's likely a cop in the game. Why?
On May 03 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
Hm didn't realise there was miller too. Pretty shit if it's gf miller though.

Because it would be PRETTY SHIT if it's GF Miller. Games are at least quasi-balanced, and throwing a GF in a game, obviously, at least implies that the chances of a cop are increased. This is obviously true according to HF's narrative because as he says, it would be PRETTY SHIT if it's GF Miller. Given the chances of a cop, if there's a Godfather AND a Miller, that cop would be fucked. It's just balance.

Now, I know what you're thinking - and I'm NOT the cop. I would have counterclaimed him earlier. But his claim that he claimed because he's "probably the only blue in the game and could" falls flat - there's likely a cop in the game and he's obviously trying to snipe it. He tried to fake claim it, was obviously not being believed, and is now using that to try and claim another blue. Don't let him.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 14:16 GMT
#1078
Like I was under the impression that there's a PR for every mafia, that's probably high but assuming only one is just.....unHolyflare. He's trying to trick someone. Maybe the new people who don't know. But I don't believe for a second that Holyflare thinks that only one Vet is the only PR in the game with a flipped GF. I simply don't.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 04 2019 14:18 GMT
#1079
On May 04 2019 22:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 04 2019 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
So what if you did? It's not a scum claim. I literally voted Pandain because I'm the veteran and thought his 2kp thing was a slip so thus I asked the question.

What's my mafia explanation bugs and why are you trying to twist it to something when it's really quite straightforward?


cool story bro, it's literally unbelievable that if you're actually the veteran it took you 30+ minutes to vote him after he talked about there being multiple KP. If you're actually the veteran you'd have just called him scum in the exact same post immediately rather than going to read the OP, asking him if he's dumbtelling, asking him if he's played in a game of this size with more than 1 kp, etc.


Not really unbelievable at all? I checked op after he said it and it said nothing. I asked him to clarify since just voting him would likely reveal my role and then I asked artanis for clarification twice. Once to see if I get notified which was actually in the op that I didn't read and a second to ask about whether mafia would have an extra factional kp would it be in the op since there wasn't an extra role with kp.

All those things take time.

Also just because I haven't read someone doesn't mean they can't be in my poe? They're in my poe exactly because I haven't read them and my gut from interaction wasn't a town read.


keep digging yourself deeper, your explanations just keep surfacing more questions and make it clear you're just making this up on the spot. If you asked for clarification and were worried about revealing your role by just voting him why wouldn't you wait until after the question was answered to vote him?

Also, if FF and slam were voting your supposed scumread of Pandain, why the fuck would they be completely null to you?


Because artanis answered that I wouldn't be notified and then I voted him and then I asked the kp question as far as I remember. I'll double check in a bit.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 14:18 GMT
#1080
SOMEONE is a cop - I am like, NEVER Universally Townread. Like, never....I'm under the impression that at least one person who has townread me is town and KNOWS I'm town. I just don't know who.

This isn't based on fact. Only feels. Feel free to disregard if this isn't your jam.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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