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To summarize me on Jock:
I thought he was an okay lynch for day 1, not great but decent for day1. I was lukewarm about him and had more a gut read on rels (although that vibe more disappeared when it became clear rels was not lurking but just genuinely afk). At end of day, I became concerned with the complete lack or drive attempts away from jock which suggested to me he's town. I tried to switch to rels (who I was still not sold on but viewed it like an RNG lynch because he was essentially inactive) , but Rayn would only be down for vivax or bugs. I realized vivax was a great lynch and pushed for him.
Later I posted I think a couple mafia were maybe on Jock, this is because he was the lazy but decent day 1 choice . It didn't mean of course I thought everyone who voted him is suspicious but it does mean I thought scum would vote him too. This has been at least vindicated by vivax flipping.
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On May 04 2019 11:31 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 11:20 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 09:44 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pandain what do you think of MZ, given that you think BC is scum? Who would you lynch today?
If you have notes on the game, now’s the time.. Dude my thoughts on MZ are literally in the same post, what are you even thinking. And I literally voted dude. I’m asking you to resynthesize. idgaf if you posted something before, and I don’t care much that you voted either. If you believe BC is scum why aren’t you trying to convince others to join you? I don't have unlimited time to play this game. In fact to the contrary, I usually have very limited time. It's why I prioritize and choose useful times I can post (and the main reason I was okay playing a bad n1, since I was unlikely to die). If you want me to restate things becuase you hope to catch me contradicting me previously, than you should realize I can just look at previous posts and make sure that happens. Conversely, if I'm town, what I say shouldn't be different anwyay. And who I want to lynch is probably who I voted... And I made like 3-4 posts, no one even responded. At this point it's clear people have made up their mind one way or the other. I don't have anything new to add, I might switch to a MZ counterwagon if it's the only way to save myself. Maybe if I had a free day tomorrow I would spam post to save myself, but unfortunately I don't. The only closing words I'll say to townies is even if you're pretty sure I'm mafia, look at other people. And hopefully you realize that at least I shouldn't be lynched "today" You don’t have that much time so you spend a bunch of time speculating about kp and posting this drivel instead of just explaining your read further? Can you point me to the posts you made which you think no one responded to? I made a post off the cuff about kp that happened to be wrong and then got called out. It is what it is. At the time it was the BC post, no one commented about it at all outside of a joke post by VE, now I see some comments which is good. I don't have much to add, you can agree with it or not. Let’s work together in whatever time you have. I’m not sure if I can prevent a lynch on you nor do I know if I want to at this point but if you are town then I’m basically your only defender. Let’s imagine you are correct about BC being scum. 1. Do you find any interactions between other players and BC/vice versa that stood out to you? 2. Specifically on MZ, if BC died and flipped scum would you feel more or less confident on MZ?
I thought BC thinking both me and grack are his top mafia reads as complete crazy considering we helped lead the vivax lynch. But apparently you guys have rampant bussing issues in the past so I guess it's null, but I do find it surprising he didn't at least mention it.
I didn't read too much into their interaction. Could be anything.
I'm 90% convinced one of HF or BC is mafia (No I'm not going to get into HF. I just think his play is lazy this game and not good. It's more a gut feeling than anything concrete. )
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Well we have to pick at least one player beyond BC. Would you say right now that second player for you is MZ?
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On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot.
I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck.
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On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck.
Why do you have MZ lean town?
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On May 04 2019 12:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. Why do you have MZ lean town?
Hes generating discussion, hes pushing people where they should be pushed (ie like trying to get HF to explain his fake claim)
Answers questions, asking questions about reads etc..
Can it be faked as red? Sure but its why I have him leaning town. Hes only made one post that I don't like as right now.
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bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently.
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On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently.
no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF.
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I think VE also has influence because he seems to be universally town-read. I just don't think anyone in this game is unquestionably leading town.
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On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF.
Why HF over say VE?
As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control.
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On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF. Why HF over say VE? As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control.
HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain.
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On May 04 2019 12:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think VE also has influence because he seems to be universally town-read. I just don't think anyone in this game is unquestionably leading town.
Now this leads the rub. Based purely on player activity (you can check filters)
How the fuck between all the walls of text / posting has no one snagged real thread control / direction of the town. Why is the only real cases being made for the day.
You and Pandain.
Something to me feels wrong about it all.
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The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me.
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On May 04 2019 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF. Why HF over say VE? As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control. HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain.
Why is he getting credit for Pandain and Jock?
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On May 04 2019 11:35 Pandain wrote:
To summarize me on Jock:
I thought he was an okay lynch for day 1, not great but decent for day1. I was lukewarm about him and had more a gut read on rels (although that vibe more disappeared when it became clear rels was not lurking but just genuinely afk). At end of day, I became concerned with the complete lack or drive attempts away from jock which suggested to me he's town. I tried to switch to rels (who I was still not sold on but viewed it like an RNG lynch because he was essentially inactive) , but Rayn would only be down for vivax or bugs. I realized vivax was a great lynch and pushed for him.
Later I posted I think a couple mafia were maybe on Jock, this is because he was the lazy but decent day 1 choice . It didn't mean of course I thought everyone who voted him is suspicious but it does mean I thought scum would vote him too. This has been at least vindicated by vivax flipping.
I kinda hate this post. It sorta frames yesterday as being all about rayn and who rayn wanted to lynch when there was actually quite a bit of turbulence from what I can tell reading the end of day after the fact. Then trying to claim points for saying that a 'couple mafia were maybe on jock' as if anyone gives a shit about VCA that basically says 'I think maybe mafia had a hand in killing this towny!'
Two paragraphs that kinda boil down to "not my fault, remember how I scumread vivax?"
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On May 04 2019 09:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 06:44 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 04 2019 04:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 04 2019 04:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 04 2019 04:28 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Higher probability scum.
Bugs only looks like mafia because of how he's flailing here, now. His play before now looked pretty null to me, leaning townie. The exchange between he and HF is a tough call though - like I said before, he looks like mafia because of how "resigned" he is to his fate. He even didn't believe HF's claim all along and STILL felt "momentum to lynch" him, even after the claim was retracted.
Further, he looks worse because he ultimately believed HF - though the progression looks relatively natural, it could just as easily be him realizing the miller angle slowly, as others were realizing it too. As a townie, MY gut reaction is "WELP LOOKS LIKE WE GETEM BOYS!!!" if someone fake-claims on me, I INSTANTLY assume they're mafia trying to fuck me. It never really looked like bugs had that reaction.
HOWEVER
In the spirit of transparency, I'm not confident in my ability to accurately read bugs or his intentions. He's always been something of a wild-card to me and that frustration has bubbled over several times in our history. That could be coloring my hesitation to call him scum - I've been wrong SO MUCH before about Bugs. But like I said before - his play lacks a sharp edge that his mafia game typically has, so I've been leaning town most of the game. First few bits is why I disliked him. Guess Pandain is the safer lynch bu t I really don't care tbh. Did you not get this bit? What do you make of that VE? Also what do you make of FF saying he's down for Rels and then down for Pandain just as quickly? What do you think of me saying I'm down for a rels lynch then down for pandain just as quickly? VE obviously didn't read into it and you obviously have some suspicious thoughts about it or you wouldn't have brought it up. Or were you just trying to act like you're scumhunting by putting names in front of active townies? I think you're just bouncing around to whatever wagon is the most convenient. Tell me why I shouldn't think that.
I was never voting rels and stated him as a scumread before for similar reasons. I was on WBG because HF claimed a red check and when the red check was rescinded I sheeped HF and VE onto pandain (yes HF wasn't voting pandain yet but he did call pandain scum)
So even though you asked about rels and pandain, how is me sheeping the same person I sheeped earlier and the most townread player 'bouncing around to whatever wagon is convenient?'
On May 04 2019 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I feel like we're just letting Koshi slide. Do we just let that happen some more? When does it become offensive?
i say let him slide til he deviates from rayn 3.0
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I had the second post and meant to add the first post to the bottom of it but forgot and hit submit ohwell
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On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me.
Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now?
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On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck.
1kp fixed is in the OP BC I'm not accepting dumbtells at this time.
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On May 04 2019 12:23 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 11:35 Pandain wrote:
To summarize me on Jock:
I thought he was an okay lynch for day 1, not great but decent for day1. I was lukewarm about him and had more a gut read on rels (although that vibe more disappeared when it became clear rels was not lurking but just genuinely afk). At end of day, I became concerned with the complete lack or drive attempts away from jock which suggested to me he's town. I tried to switch to rels (who I was still not sold on but viewed it like an RNG lynch because he was essentially inactive) , but Rayn would only be down for vivax or bugs. I realized vivax was a great lynch and pushed for him.
Later I posted I think a couple mafia were maybe on Jock, this is because he was the lazy but decent day 1 choice . It didn't mean of course I thought everyone who voted him is suspicious but it does mean I thought scum would vote him too. This has been at least vindicated by vivax flipping. I kinda hate this post. It sorta frames yesterday as being all about rayn and who rayn wanted to lynch when there was actually quite a bit of turbulence from what I can tell reading the end of day after the fact. Then trying to claim points for saying that a 'couple mafia were maybe on jock' as if anyone gives a shit about VCA that basically says 'I think maybe mafia had a hand in killing this towny!' Two paragraphs that kinda boil down to "not my fault, remember how I scumread vivax?"
his summary is not inaccurate, just go back and read it from his perspective.
Say Pandain is town. He is not sold on Jock. He's around for lynch.
He asks anyone in the thread if they're up for a switch to Rels. rayn is around and says no, only Vivax or me. Pandain agrees with rayn on Vivax (but not me) so he switches to Vivax and tries to get shenanigans.
I think boiling this down to "I'm not scum because I scumread vivax" is oversimplistic.
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