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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 24 2019 15:44 GMT
#53
/in
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 06 2019 12:27 GMT
#457
Hi

I have not read the thread.

I am looking for friends.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 06 2019 12:31 GMT
#458
I'll be very slow today, should have more time tomorrow (that is latter half of day 1)
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 06 2019 13:59 GMT
#482
On April 06 2019 08:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 08:09 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like this is a 10 faction game or some shit and I'm just sitting here with something that is completely anti town despite actually being town


Isn't that the way you play normally anyway?

Holy shit lol
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 10:07 GMT
#684
I kinda like the fact FF did a 180 on his read on LS.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 10:15 GMT
#685
I really dislike the fact that while Damdred decided to drop a bunch of speculation about the game setup that I hate anyway, he didn't find the time to post even a single relevant post about his actual reads. Posting about role stuff is just another way of not posting at all, especially since he hasn't bothered to actually explain anything.

Also I haven't read rayn's filter, but I found it strange that he basically assumed rayn is town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 10:29 GMT
#687
I'm not lynching jock btw, he gets a day pass for destroying hf
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 10:43 GMT
#689
To clarify about Damdred.

If I'm to accept his posts at face value, I'd have to believe he has found a way to read rayn as town pretty strongly, in addition to believing he has an anti-town (ie: killing townies, because he thinks rayn is town) secondary win condition and in addition that he chose to reveal that win condition.

Aside from the fact that secondary win conditions are both rare and terrible, even if Damdred has one his optimal play as town is to just play like town and shut up about it. There is absolutely no benefit for Damdred to reveal having objectives outside of killing mafia as town.

I don't believe him.

What I think happened is Damdred is positioning himself to play as 3rd party, ie, he wants us to think he's a neutral 3rd party faction. Mafia does this all the time, it's better to be perceived as a 3rd party working on your own objectives than as mafia. Town doesn't have the same problem because it's even better to be perceived as town than 3rd party.

I don't believe him, I think he's scum.

His best excuse would probably just be that he's trolling and none of this stuff is real.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 10:46 GMT
#690
On April 07 2019 19:37 Mocsta wrote:
Hf

Shall we do palmar day1 two games in a row?

Way ahead of you, already working under the assumption the combined weight of idiocy is greater than my strength.

The only regret I have is hosts should be murdered for starting games on weekends. I really don't have time for this.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:10 GMT
#728
On April 07 2019 21:38 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 07 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:
@Mocsta I'm never going to lynch someone based on Meta. Last game literally everyone was off about everyone, and it was in very large part to people being very confident they could "read" people based on playstyle. Furthermore, any competent player (as mafia or town) should be able to diversify their play. And palmar is definitely not stupid.

Palmar could be mafia, but I like his posts enough that he should definitely not be lynched today.


Which posts do you like from Palmar that aren't just rehashes of previously talked about topics?

Me saying things is just so much better than other people saying things. Not to mention the fact that you’re probably gonna waffle off all your good reads anyway.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:17 GMT
#731
On April 07 2019 20:17 Mocsta wrote:
Secondly, I agree with Palmar that alt-win con should not cloud the thread, yet, he seemingly is oblivious/ignorant that several others, not just Damdred, have raised alt win-con.


Did they? I admit I'm far from done with reading through the thread, but which other players have claimed alternative win con?

On April 07 2019 20:17 Mocsta wrote:
"I don't believe him" , whilst 'true from Palmar PoV' is the easy/lazy position for him to push... you tell me.
Is easy/lazy more likely to town!palmar, or scum!palmar.


You're missing the point. It's not just that I don't believe his actions make sense, I'm trying to demonstrate that no one should believe him.

The case can be summed up in two points.

1) Damdred didn't post anything that looked like reading the game, just mechanics and role stuff.

2) Damdred's role stuff positions him to act as 3p. The only people who GAIN by being perceived as 3p are mafia.

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:19 GMT
#732
Mig's filter is really bad as well. It's essentially an afk filter.

I would complain he hasn't followed up his VE read at all but he's literally not been in the thread.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:19 GMT
#733
On April 07 2019 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
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On April 07 2019 22:10 Tubesock wrote:
Mocsta, did Palmar even post before you posted you wanted to kill him?

Looks too much like you’re just looking for any reason you can find to lynch him. He should basically be null if anything.
How do you foresee me responding to this?

Its all backhand slaps, yeah....

Your first point is so off the mark I'm in shock, and your second point should tend towards a scum read on me.

Tell the truth please.. did you even read what I wrote?

tbf I wouldn't really blame anyone for mostly skimming your stuff.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:24 GMT
#736
On April 07 2019 22:21 Vivax wrote:
MZ wagon doesn't really convince me. Feel like there is a bunch of opportunists hopping on. Naming disfo and Slam.

It's kinda scummy that you haven't yet told everyone how smart I am
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:32 GMT
#741
On April 07 2019 22:25 Pandain wrote:
RE: Damdred

Show nested quote +
1) Damdred didn't post anything that looked like reading the game, just mechanics and role stuff.


Sure, but he hasn't been around since early day 1. That should be expected early day 1

Show nested quote +
2) Damdred's role stuff positions him to act as 3p. The only people who GAIN by being perceived as 3p are mafia.


Sure, you're right, but just because it positions him to act as 3p in no way means that he intentionally is aiming for that. You're reading a possible explanation as the most likely explanation. He could have information in his role pm suggesting third parties, or he could just be extrapolating based on what people are saying and the theme of the game.


Your defense amounts to "he might post more later" and "he might have meant something else".

So vote him and when he shows up suddenly making everything crystal clear we'll just unvote him, right?

Great plan Palmar, really good.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:35 GMT
#742
On April 07 2019 22:25 Mocsta wrote:
Palmar #731
First ctrl+F i found
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On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc.
I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm.


I noted your points on Damdred, and I just don't think that holds in a closed THEMED game on Day1.
At worst he should be put on alert for a Day2 or 3 lynch.


Sure, but it seems to me that this one doesn't involve killing people you claim to think are town.

Also you said several, show me more please.

I don't want to lynch Damdred because he has an alternate win con. I want to kill him because I can't understand the logic from a town point of view in how he deals with it, meaning I don't believe he's telling the truth.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:42 GMT
#746
you should vote damdred disfo.

Pandain says everything will be fine later anyway, so might as well give me my wagon.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:43 GMT
#749
On April 07 2019 22:42 Vivax wrote:
Disfos filter feels like 100 % waffle coupled with going for a bunch of people according to sentiment.

it's ok though he's gonna be a good sheep and do as I say.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:44 GMT
#750
On April 07 2019 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
His nickname is literally wafflemation

If you're claiming you made the damdred point before me, maybe stick to it this time?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:44 GMT
#751
I'll give you a solid 15% of the credit
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:47 GMT
#754
On April 07 2019 22:45 disformation wrote:
i dont feel like im _that_ waffly this game.
@palmar what you think of the m_z stuff?

literally not read a single word of it.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 13:48 GMT
#756
On April 07 2019 22:45 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta feels like super dense town at this point. Writing off the Damdred vs rayn thingy so easily is not particularly smart. Probably the most interesting thing in the thread right now.

hey we're an inclusive bunch, mocsta is doing the best he can. cruising for that participation award.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:05 GMT
#1006
friendly reminder damdred has still done nothing
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:06 GMT
#1008
Sentinel might be a good lynch too

But Pandain betrayed me. He told me damdred would do stuff
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:09 GMT
#1012
On April 08 2019 00:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 19:43 Palmar wrote:
To clarify about Damdred.

If I'm to accept his posts at face value, I'd have to believe he has found a way to read rayn as town pretty strongly, in addition to believing he has an anti-town (ie: killing townies, because he thinks rayn is town) secondary win condition and in addition that he chose to reveal that win condition.

Aside from the fact that secondary win conditions are both rare and terrible, even if Damdred has one his optimal play as town is to just play like town and shut up about it. There is absolutely no benefit for Damdred to reveal having objectives outside of killing mafia as town.

I don't believe him.

What I think happened is Damdred is positioning himself to play as 3rd party, ie, he wants us to think he's a neutral 3rd party faction. Mafia does this all the time, it's better to be perceived as a 3rd party working on your own objectives than as mafia. Town doesn't have the same problem because it's even better to be perceived as town than 3rd party.


I don't believe him, I think he's scum.

His best excuse would probably just be that he's trolling and none of this stuff is real.

This basically never happens. I can't think of the last time mafia alluded to having secondary objectives and being a possible 3rd party at the start of the game when they aren't already under threat of being lynched. Especially in the way he says, intentionally planned to try to lay low and avoid getting negative attention.

Terrible start for Palmar imo.


I’m just gonna claim having played 5x more mafia than you do I know better.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:10 GMT
#1014
On April 08 2019 05:07 Mig wrote:
Why is sentinel a good lynch? Is there anything scummy about him? Or are you just wanting to lynch the least active people?

Yes
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:30 GMT
#1023
Maybe just lynch damdred with me jock?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:46 GMT
#1031
I have no read on mz. I don’t really know the case on eywa but I had a “he sounds fine” read earlier
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:53 GMT
#1041
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:53 GMT
#1042
On April 08 2019 05:52 disformation wrote:
@hf why not damdred? you think your differentiation will solve that problem?

hf doesn't like lynching scum day 1. It's kinda his thing to do stupid shit.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 20:56 GMT
#1046
On April 08 2019 05:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
does anyone else on the MZ wagon still think he's mafia because reading what I missed I don't really anymore.

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On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.

I'll follow onto damdred if you look at jockmcplop

to be fair jock is town for calling holyflare shit.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 07 2019 21:00 GMT
#1053
On April 08 2019 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meeehhh...it just feels like it could be resistance to a mafia lynch. Nah I'm stick it out for now. Palmar is at his worst D1 don't listen to his LIES.



Towny post
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:09 GMT
#1272
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

No it isn't.

Stop being mad you can't scumhunt on day 1.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:15 GMT
#1274
On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.

ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.


Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom


He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries.

On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.

Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.

His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.

He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.

First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.

After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.

Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote

Eden is scum vote him


I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage.

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will.

You have my sword.


This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence.

We lynched Eden.

He was mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:17 GMT
#1275
On April 08 2019 20:13 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 20:09 Palmar wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

No it isn't.

Stop being mad you can't scumhunt on day 1.


At least 3 people just told you the opposite. Grow up.

A flock of people saying stupid shit doesn't make it right.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:21 GMT
#1277
On April 08 2019 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.

ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.


Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom


He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries.

On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.

Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.

His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.

He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.

First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.

After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.

Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote

Eden is scum vote him


I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage.

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will.

You have my sword.


This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence.

We lynched Eden.

He was mafia.


2015


I mean, you just lynched town so not sure why you're questioning my methods.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:30 GMT
#1280
On April 08 2019 20:22 disformation wrote:
yeah, damdred can be really good as town day 1 and i was hoping he would come back and crap a twon rainbow all over the thread and make the game easier. so i agree that he has done 0 scum hunting d1.

but ive also see him be afk as fuck as town.

so he has both a history of being very good d1 and being afk as fuck d1.

so your statement is not false, but you leave out 50% of the story.

afk is only part of the problem. If you want newer meta:

we literally just played a game where I townread damdred pretty fast.

https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Damdred

Just look at his first 10-15 posts. Yes his reads aren't really explained but he's actually worried about people's alignment. He throws out townreads and is talking about who to kill.

Then look at this game. Aside from the implied town read on rayn I don't think there's anything about anyone.

And stop trying to boil my case down to one thing.

I don't like how he has not talked about anything alignment indicative.
I don't like how he has positioned himself to be a 3rd party.
I don't like how he assumed rayn was town without explaining it.
I don't like that he's been afk throughout the game.

Mafia is a game of odds. You lynch the people who have the highest chance to flip mafia. Not the people you dislike or the people you are afraid of getting beaten by. I have pretty good reasons for calling Damdred mafia.

But alas, I think I'm dropping the Damdred thing for tonight. I've made my case exceptionally clear and I can't lynch anyone tonight. It's gonna be more productive to talk about other shit.

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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April 08 2019 11:32 GMT
#1283
He's still a great vigi shot. Scummy low activity players are so fucking hot with the vigs these days.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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April 08 2019 11:32 GMT
#1284
On April 08 2019 20:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 20:21 Palmar wrote:
On April 08 2019 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.

ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.


Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom


He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries.

On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.

Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.

His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.

He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.

First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.

After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.

Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote

Eden is scum vote him


I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage.

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will.

You have my sword.


This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence.

We lynched Eden.

He was mafia.


2015


I mean, you just lynched town so not sure why you're questioning my methods.


I agree that damdred used to be a very good d1 player. However that was a long time ago.

Admittedly there have been fewer games in recent years and I've played in few of those but my impression of damdred now is that he disappears for full phases and misses votes etc. So I let him do his own thing and then he wins or loses.

If your meta read is based on him being an active player d1 who makes good case then I'd just have to disagree. Not sure if you are lying or just using an outdated read


No, that's not my read, I was just telling you you were wrong.

Can you just slow down for a sec and actually read?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:37 GMT
#1287
Sentinel looks really, really bad.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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April 08 2019 11:43 GMT
#1291
Sentinel had a bit going into the game and kept with it for way too long, to the point he did nothing useful on day 1 because he was doing his bit.

Wonder where we've seen sentinel hide behind a gimmick as mafia before?

Also, his last minute voteswitch has a few implications. Did he know he was too late? Clocks aren't a hard thing to work. I always find it very unrealistic people miss deadlines accidentally.

Or maybe I'm just wrong on Damdred.

Who knows
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:50 GMT
#1293
Actually all the people who threw their votes away look bad. Vivax has been super underwhelming compared to being the smartest person in town last game.

It's also pretty likely the people who voted with me on Damdred are basically all or mostly town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:50 GMT
#1295
Well second smartest
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:57 GMT
#1298
On April 08 2019 20:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar did you have any reads on anyone except Damdred?


Yeah, I can make a list

Townreads
tubesock

Weak town
eywa
pandain
Jock
FF
disfo
tumblewood

No idea/haven't read
Grack
rayn
VE
KelsierSC
LS
Mocsta

Don't read on principle
HF
Slam

maybe mafia
Mig
Vivax

scumreads
Damdred
Sentinel

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:57 GMT
#1300
On April 08 2019 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am like 90% sure Damdred can't be mafia.

Based on roles or reads?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 11:59 GMT
#1301
I'm still behind on the game, we started on a weekend.

I also very often randomly assign some mafias townreads for like stupid little things so don't just lynch up my list but still.

I think I have a grasp of the game.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 08 2019 12:06 GMT
#1304
On April 08 2019 21:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
So Palmar you think we should be pushing to get rid of lurkers and low activity players?

I would agree with that actually. Sent looks undeniably scummy.

Yes, of course.

Vigis need to shoot into the trash, because the trash will not become more readable as the game goes on. The same reason you take out trash with the Day 1 lynch.

It is greatly advantageous to town if every player in the game is talking and interacting.

Now, on day 2 there might be information based on night actions and flips so far, so that's when you should start thinking about lynching higher activity mafia if we have good cases or evidence. Defaulting to lynching a lurker on day 2 is fine, but it's not like day 1 with no information. You should be trying to lynch scum wherever you can find it on day 2.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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April 08 2019 12:08 GMT
#1306
On April 08 2019 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 20:57 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 20:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
Posts where mocsta mentioned Vivax:

On April 08 2019 17:39 Mocsta wrote:
On April 08 2019 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 08 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote:
Think disfo might be mafia based on mechanics though potentially

I don't know how you arrived at this tbh
+1 i need some prompting there

I think Sentinel looks terrible too

Its a poor heuristic I know, but in particular, I expect more from a town!sentinel following the shit show from last game.

mig has done enough im content to put him in a leave it till later pile.
I can see a town world where he doesnt think he has town!cred so is happy just being a "voice of reason"

im iffy about tubesock.
in my summary notes i oneworded him as "aloof".
Not scummy per se, but not town either.

Im still happy to get rid of Vivax

Palmar is like mig. wait it n see. No more weekend lazy excuses either.

i need to reread rayn/eywa before settling on an opinion. Even after the multiple pages devoted to that setup talk, im still not entirely sure why Eywa thinks his alt-con is to be recruited by mafia.
in short, from my first read, I wasnt sure what he was stating was fact of role pm vs his interpretation.


On April 07 2019 23:46 Mocsta wrote:
Palmar vivax mafia

Mig maybe mafia

Mz obtuse like last game. Maybe actually town. Could lynch just to get rid of headache.

I forgot about ksc. No idea

Goinf to bed

Going to settle on vivax
##vote: vivax


That's all from his entire filter.
What a shitty vote. No reasoning, no purpose.

beentheredonethat
On April 08 2019 06:27 disformation wrote:
bleh. slight headache isnt helping.
hf mentioned mocsta and i did a look at that filter.
also another meh.
like this is the first and only mention of vivix in his filter:
On April 07 2019 23:46 Mocsta wrote:
Palmar vivax mafia

Mig maybe mafia

Mz obtuse like last game. Maybe actually town. Could lynch just to get rid of headache.

I forgot about ksc. No idea

Goinf to bed

Going to settle on vivax
##vote: vivax





maybe i should stop trying to figure out everyone at once and go one person at a time like plammar.


Oh ok sorry didn't see that.
Its a valid point though mocsta looks a little bit scummy from that imo.


I really like Tubesock's filter. His take on Mocsta was pretty good.

On April 08 2019 03:28 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 03:12 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 08 2019 03:08 Tubesock wrote:
On April 08 2019 03:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 07 2019 23:46 Mocsta wrote:
Palmar vivax mafia

Mig maybe mafia

Mz obtuse like last game. Maybe actually town. Could lynch just to get rid of headache.

I forgot about ksc. No idea

Goinf to bed

Going to settle on vivax
##vote: vivax

also the good ol' "X is probably town but i wanna lynch him anyway." bad
not to mention....... where did this vivax vote come from??? no mention of vivax anywhere earlier in this filter. and vivax is p townie too
##unvote
##vote Mocsta


What makes you think Vivax is towny? I’m not seeing it at all. He’s not angry and he’s not acumreading me like normal town vivax does.

his last reads post was good. that is beside the point though. what do you think of mocsta?


I’m townreading Mocsta. Mostly for his entrance and when he talked to me. Yes wanting to lynch town to get rid of headache is bad. I think I’d have to search a lot of games to find one where a mafia said that though. To me it’s NAI.


I need to actually read Mocsta's filter before making a conclusion but he was also talking shit to me during the day which didn't sound malicious, just a bit daft.


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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 09 2019 17:54 GMT
#1840
Im sick as a dog.

Not doing anything today
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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April 09 2019 17:58 GMT
#1844
On April 10 2019 02:55 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2019 02:54 Palmar wrote:
Im sick as a dog.

Not doing anything today

did you get a message?!

Yes

I don’t get it though.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 09 2019 18:03 GMT
#1854
On April 10 2019 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2019 02:58 Palmar wrote:
On April 10 2019 02:55 disformation wrote:
On April 10 2019 02:54 Palmar wrote:
Im sick as a dog.

Not doing anything today

did you get a message?!

Yes

I don’t get it though.


Give us the clue

Should this be public info?

I have not read anything so I have no context
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 09 2019 18:05 GMT
#1858
Dear Pythagoras,

The man you seek is amongst those who voted for Damdred in the final vote count.

Your faithful PI
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 09 2019 18:06 GMT
#1859
Again I’m not Pythagoras, I’m not seeking anyone in this sense and I have no idea who PI is
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 09 2019 18:10 GMT
#1866
On April 10 2019 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2019 03:05 Palmar wrote:
Dear Pythagoras,

The man you seek is amongst those who voted for Damdred in the final vote count.

Your faithful PI


I'm gonna say this is a lie

It’s not, but why?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 09:39 GMT
#2316
I have no idea what's going on and I don't understand anything.

I think it's kinda scummy HF immediately accused me of lying about my PM. I don't know how or why I would lie about it even if I was mafia. I don't know how having that PM benefits me as either alignment. What I do know is I didn't lie and that was completely uncalled for shitflinging by HF.

Other than that I have no new reads.

Can someone just... explain what's going on?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 09:55 GMT
#2317
Do I just claim my role?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 10:43 GMT
#2323
I'm a diplomat.

No alternate win condition, only with town.

I can protect a person from being recruited by any faction at night.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 10:48 GMT
#2326
On April 10 2019 19:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh ya don't forget to change y'alls bookmarks, we're tl.net now!


yeah it's great, blocked as "pornography" here at work.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 10:52 GMT
#2328
On April 10 2019 19:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a "Gambling Site" here. Like, and who do you even talk to about that shit?

Well in my case I just unblock it, I'm the network engineer at this place.

I protected rayn with my thing. I don't get any confirmation if it did anything. The role seems underwhelming in general.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 10:53 GMT
#2329
although I guess there's a bunch of recruiting factions this game.

Cult + at least 2 town factions?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 10:57 GMT
#2331
Sure but I don't really understand why I'd care if town gets recruited by other town. I'm assuming there is at least one 3p recruiting faction. It's even possible mafia has a recruiting mechanic.

Actually probably likely.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 10:58 GMT
#2332
Like I'm still 80 pages behind or so, so I don't know what any of these factions actually do. I still don't know what my message means and what it has to do with the game.

I was really hoping someone would just summarize all the role stuff so I can focus on actually playing mafia and not whatever this role thing is.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 10:58 GMT
#2333
Maybe 80 is an exaggeration, but you get it.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 11:18 GMT
#2334
Oh and one more thing.

Role != alignment.

We could very well be dealing with parts of these people who have claimed as mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 13:51 GMT
#2383
On April 10 2019 20:52 disformation wrote:
Summary attempt for pslmar:

Sub game 1: Hindu/Arab Vs Rome
Each of the two have 1 assassin, 1 recruiter, 2 maths guys
Assassin needs to kill the recruiter of the opposite faction. Recruiter needs to get the maths guys of his faction into a at. Maths guys need to get into the qt and or remove the entire opposing faction.
Note: assassin's get bullets refunded if they hit the opposite faction. See m_z role.
Arab/Hindu: damdy, ls, m_z, eywa
Romans: rayn, mocsta, slam, ff

Ff shot ls.
Mocsta tried to recruit rayn, cause you prevented that.

[Hr]

Sub game 2: math love triangle
Fibonacci wants to bone Pythagoras. Euclid wants to bone Fibonacci and Pythagoras wants to bone Fibonacci.
If a pair bones they win and get removed from the game.
Each of the 3 has an Investigator who is helping them out. You got one of the Investigator messages.

Fibbers is Mig. Pytha is HF. Euclid is TW.

Helpers: VE, Pandain, Disco

Additionally there is an Inquisitor who needs to prevent the maths guys from boneing cause the Cath Church hates boneing. That is tubesock and he claimed to be 3rd Party with a soup kill ability. Also claimed to have busdriven HF and eywa during the night. Since eywa died we know someone tried to shoot HF and eywa got my message cause I wanted to sent it to hf.

Jockmcplop had an anti inquisitor role.

[Hr]

Ksc removed Grack (probably temporarily) from the game and is in a at with grack. Ksc claims his win con is to separate two lovers from each other.

You claimed diplomat.

Vivax and Grack haven't claimed yet imo.

We have 2kp unaccounted for. Prolly 1 convert and the lover(s) are missing.
So far it looks like all ppl in subgame 1 and 2 started as town.


This is an excellent summary.

So I actually accomplished something... was it good?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 13:52 GMT
#2384
Also why are we assuming all the people in the games are town. I would basically 100% if I was hosting a game like this have random mafia thrown in there.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 13:57 GMT
#2386
I think we should just kill sentinel though.

Aside from all the role stuff dude is playing like mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 14:00 GMT
#2387
Like I've decided this game is stupid and I'm gonna pretend it's a full vanilla game. the roles will sort themselves out.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 14:01 GMT
#2389
I am also supremely interested in knowing if it was good or bad that I prevented rayn getting recruited.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 14:05 GMT
#2391
On April 10 2019 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not sure, depends on if the romans are mafia or not. There's debate about that. I share the opinion that there are 1-2 mafia interspersed into the "teams" and it all depends on your read of rayn on whether that was good or bad.

I was always just gonna protect a "big name", figured those are the most likely targets for recruits of any alignment. Couldn't protect myself.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 14:06 GMT
#2393
Because rayn is actually good,
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 14:06 GMT
#2394
sometimes.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 14:18 GMT
#2397
If I'm reading this correctly Mig is going to remove himself and HF at the end of today?

I like that. HF is a pretty good candidate for mafia. There is absolutely no reason to question the PM I received yet he immediately called it a lie.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2019 14:19 GMT
#2399
And I guess we're losing Damdred as well.

Another player that's good to get rid of. I guess he's just afk and unable to play, but we'd probably have had to lynch him at some point anyway.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 08:38 GMT
#2525
Yeah my role name does not confirm me mafia.

I'm not sure I have the energy to take this fight today but fucking hell it's going to be a pain in the ass.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 08:54 GMT
#2528
We have 10 people left.

If you all are not changing your mind about lynching me and can shoot me it might be better, although assuming mafia kills 2 or something we might actually not have enough time left to do something. It's almost certain we have 2 mafia left, possibly 3 because it appears Grack got converted. This seems to be a swing mechanic so assuming normal balance, 4-ish mafia, it's very likely that it swung to 5 mafia.

If I die + 2 night kills it's going to be 4v3. If there's an additional recruitment mechanic it might be gg but I kinda doubt that would be the case as swinging to 6 mafia i just broken.

It's pretty obvious I'm getting screwed by an anti-massclaim mechanic (tubesock's role was an anti-massclaim mechanic too). Either mafia has dual roles, or was provided with fake claims. Both are quite likely.

Can't even blame the hosts, this just town being dumb.

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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April 11 2019 09:33 GMT
#2533
Obviously, having the extra information that I'm not mafia compared to the rest of you, it's very clear to me that mafia has either double roles, or fake claims, or simply share role names with town.

We have only flipped one person that started out as mafia (assuming converted means converted). The chance of there being only 1 mafia left is extremely, extremely slim. I'd like to point out that Vivax had a very, very clear anti-massclaim role. He had the exact same role name as a townie (Grack). It should be quite obvious the same thing is going on with my role.

Hell, why the fuck would I claim diplomat if Vivax, my mafia bro, has a role that says there is a mafia diplomat. Do yall think I'm retarded?

I wouldn't mind being jailed, that's fine, but I'd like to participate.

Can Kelsier communicate with me if I'm jailed?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 09:47 GMT
#2535
On April 11 2019 18:22 Pandain wrote:
Anyway the diplomat thing is not even the main reason you are being lynched. You've done absolutely nothing this game and no real scumhunting. Even this post doesn't push towards anyone, it's just defense. Mafia had a huge incentive to not vote Vivax (as they would lose two people). This makes it extremely likely that Fecalfeast, slam, dis, and especially me (as the final and definitive vote) are town. It also makes the last scum (or two) almost certainly among Mocsta, Palmar, VE, Kelsier, and Rayn.


I have probably done more actual scumhunting than most of the people in this game. Thing is I hate role bullshit, so I haven't really taken part in that.

On April 11 2019 18:22 Pandain wrote:
Of these, you are by far the best choice. You claimed a role title that is literally referenced in another post as mafia. You voted Sentinel and not Vivax, and have failed to really do anything on any day so far. This was the extent of your reasoning on Sentinel.
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2019 22:57 Palmar wrote:
I think we should just kill sentinel though.

Aside from all the role stuff dude is playing like mafia.



But...

On April 08 2019 20:43 Palmar wrote:
Sentinel had a bit going into the game and kept with it for way too long, to the point he did nothing useful on day 1 because he was doing his bit.

Wonder where we've seen sentinel hide behind a gimmick as mafia before?

Also, his last minute voteswitch has a few implications. Did he know he was too late? Clocks aren't a hard thing to work. I always find it very unrealistic people miss deadlines accidentally.

Or maybe I'm just wrong on Damdred.

Who knows


You missed my actual reason for wanting to kill him. I actually think he's still very likely to flip mafia. The lack of enthusiasm by mafia might actually be explained by the fact that the top two votes were both scum.

On April 11 2019 18:22 Pandain wrote:
You clearly don't really care about this game because you haven't had anything meaningful to say regarding lynches on Day 1 or Day 2. Whether that's because you're sick or afk or busy or mafia, it's uncertain. But it's a big red flag in your play.

So if you get lynched, it's because the signs lead here.

I'm not even certain you are the best lynch, I'll look into Kelsier and VE and Mocsta. But you're a great lynch.


I'm never active on weekends as basically everyone here knows (use the search function). Last game was my first game in a long time and huge game so I was really into playing. I also just happened to

I did care about the lynch on day 1, I pushed for my lynch and wasn't far from getting him actually lynched. Like you're skewing history quite badly if you think I didn't care there. The wagon I created and pushed literally tied with the leading wagon. Yes I was wrong, but it was still a good push ( I couldn't possibly have known he would get modkilled back then, it looked really bad ).

Day 2 was a bit different, I just don't have much interest in setup speculation and figuring out things based on roles. It's one of the things I don't enjoy in mafia. So I just voted whoever I thought (and still think) is mafia based on scumhunting.

I was only out sick on tuesday. That excuse doesn't cover any other days. Everything else is just a combination of "this is how I play" and slight lack of motivation because I find mass claiming and figuring out games based on roles boring. I like scumhunting, not doing host wifom and setup speculation.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 09:53 GMT
#2536
On April 11 2019 18:39 Pandain wrote:
What do you think about the last mafia (or two) being between VE, Kelsier, and Mocsta (excluding you since you will work on the assumption you're town)

Of the people left, I either have current, or lingering since day 1 townreads on disfo, you, ff, ve. Maybe mocsta

Rest I'm not sure. I think Sentinel looks bad. I never have any idea bout slam. rayn feels a little bit off, his impact of the game feels really low, but it's possible he, like me, just hates setup stuff.

I haven't bothered reading anything by Ksc so maybe he's just mafia because his posts are boring.

I'm also not super confident in all my townreads. but it's my current view.

Thankfully, people are going to try to kill me tomorrow, so that'll make it pretty easy for me to tell whose heart is actually in it and who's just along for the ride
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 09:54 GMT
#2537
Like I'd lynch Sent. If not that I'd probably lynch Ksc or rayn unless re-reading them made me think they're both town, then I guess I'd just yolo slam a bit.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 09:58 GMT
#2539
I'm a citizen of Pisa if that matters.

Pretty sure it's not allowed to quote full role pms.

Seems like very few if anyone else is actually from Pisa
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 10:00 GMT
#2540
Also KSCs role confuses me. The simple explanation is that his role is actually bullshit and he is simply the mafia recruiting mechanism. We know he targeted Grack and Grack got converted.

The only problem with that explanation is why the fuck would mafia recruit their lover, knowing both will die if one dies.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 10:41 GMT
#2543
I would be careful about putting much weight into the words of dead mafia. You cannot know their intentions other than that they want to confuse us.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 10:43 GMT
#2544
associative reads suck.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 11 2019 19:24 GMT
#2630
I am not mafia you imbecile
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 14 2019 17:14 GMT
#2875
I’m not mafia
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 14 2019 17:15 GMT
#2876
Ksc wouldn’t talk to me in the qt. Also wouldn’t forward any of the things I wrote to the thread. He’s 100% mafia
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 14 2019 21:54 GMT
#2903
On April 15 2019 06:27 rsoultin wrote:
So the reason the roles were so non-standard and could target other townies was that all of those roles could still become mafia. And it would give town tools against mafia later in the game theoretically. Obviously that's not how the game played out lol ><

Yeah that was never going to work. Townies fucking love claiming their roles. You really need to account for mass claiming.

Repeated recruiting is way too strong for mafia. Recruiting mechanisms need to be capped at like 1 person.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 15 2019 13:39 GMT
#2923
On April 15 2019 20:53 Mocsta wrote:
Thanks for hosting anyways

Execution was smooth

And yeah. Twas themed. So meh

Should lynched palmar day1 as per my aweaome case

You don't get to claim an awesome case unless you read me correctly as town last game and mafia this one. So no prize for you my friend.

Calling me mafia every game until you're right is not an achievement.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 15 2019 22:57 GMT
#2927
On April 16 2019 07:15 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2019 22:39 Palmar wrote:
On April 15 2019 20:53 Mocsta wrote:
Thanks for hosting anyways

Execution was smooth

And yeah. Twas themed. So meh

Should lynched palmar day1 as per my aweaome case

You don't get to claim an awesome case unless you read me correctly as town last game and mafia this one. So no prize for you my friend.

Calling me mafia every game until you're right is not an achievement.
Your perception of events is an over stretch by some margin mr palmar.

I appreciate your contribution though.

Im curious: Why RB me? Was my role that obvious?


Bro I can't even remember.

I don't really think things through.

It's ok, next time, call my alignment correctly when you're town and I'll give you back the credit.
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