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I'm not sure I have the energy to take this fight today but fucking hell it's going to be a pain in the ass. | ||
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Does your role suggest how you "Untwine" them? | ||
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If you all are not changing your mind about lynching me and can shoot me it might be better, although assuming mafia kills 2 or something we might actually not have enough time left to do something. It's almost certain we have 2 mafia left, possibly 3 because it appears Grack got converted. This seems to be a swing mechanic so assuming normal balance, 4-ish mafia, it's very likely that it swung to 5 mafia. If I die + 2 night kills it's going to be 4v3. If there's an additional recruitment mechanic it might be gg but I kinda doubt that would be the case as swinging to 6 mafia i just broken. It's pretty obvious I'm getting screwed by an anti-massclaim mechanic (tubesock's role was an anti-massclaim mechanic too). Either mafia has dual roles, or was provided with fake claims. Both are quite likely. Can't even blame the hosts, this just town being dumb. | ||
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On April 11 2019 10:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: How does disinfo figure into those flips vivax flipped scum, so since i look very unlike vivax wouldnt that make me town? i also could have hammered you. instead i voted vivax, which resulted in 2 scum dying. just sayin | ||
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On April 11 2019 17:54 Palmar wrote: We have 10 people left. If you all are not changing your mind about lynching me and can shoot me it might be better, although assuming mafia kills 2 or something we might actually not have enough time left to do something. It's almost certain we have 2 mafia left, possibly 3 because it appears Grack got converted. This seems to be a swing mechanic so assuming normal balance, 4-ish mafia, it's very likely that it swung to 5 mafia. If I die + 2 night kills it's going to be 4v3. If there's an additional recruitment mechanic it might be gg but I kinda doubt that would be the case as swinging to 6 mafia i just broken. It's pretty obvious I'm getting screwed by an anti-massclaim mechanic (tubesock's role was an anti-massclaim mechanic too). Either mafia has dual roles, or was provided with fake claims. Both are quite likely. Can't even blame the hosts, this just town being dumb. aight. I mean there might be two diplomats for all we know. we dont know sentinel's and ksc's rolenames. might shoot sent instead? feels tad coinflippy though. could explain why vivax just gtfoe'd since his mate wasnt playing? dunno. also confused why/how grack got converted despite being removed from the game? ksc might be the converter and he told us that his win con was about lovers, cause he knew viviax and grack were lovers from qt? or he knew that grack could still be converted despite being removed? vivi mentions ksc a lot: On April 07 2019 23:13 Vivax wrote: I don't understand how anyone who knows HF decides that the first thing he should write about is why HF is top town on a day 1. And looking at the reasons I don't like them either. Why does it make HF town for Kelsier if it doesn't make Damdred not town??? On April 07 2019 23:35 Vivax wrote: "I'll just vote MZ if it's the other wagon" Quality scumhunting here On April 07 2019 23:35 Vivax wrote: Fuck it we have to kill Kelsier asap. ##Vote Kelsier On April 08 2019 01:15 Vivax wrote: We have three options: 1. Lynch MiG for squeaky clean entrance post with complaints about VE playstyle. 2. Lynch Kelsier for making it a priority to townread HF based on an his agreement on a view that turns out not to be his own. 3. Lynch into LS/Damdred/Grack for being probably third party. They are the only non italians here methinks. On April 08 2019 03:52 Vivax wrote: Migs comeback seems townish to me. Dont think I want to lynch him anymore. What bothers me about MZ at this point isnt even the stuff he got pushed for before, its him backpedaling on what he said when it led to him getting pushed. Feels a lot like he shifted his views to what others wanted him to have for convenience. But what bothers me even more is Kelsier putting in twice the effort just to give out a townread on HF for reasons that still arent sufficiently explained over the effort of finding a proper scumread. Hes literally voting MZ cause it was the next best wagon. I dont think bandwagoning per se is scummy if its cause you are trying to vote with your townreads but Im not seeing that being the case for him. I think Id be happiest with a Kelsier lynch at this point. Or a LS lynch. If we get out the possibility of a cult, then we can safely assume that Damdred and Grack are with town. And LS would have to be cult leader considering his proactivity in finding his fellows. On April 08 2019 04:49 Vivax wrote: Dont understand why theres still a wagon on MZ at this point. Can we lynch Kelsier? Or one of the guys whos still afking on MZ while having a golden chance to reevaluate? On April 09 2019 00:32 Vivax wrote: I don't really know why Kelsier has resurrected a discussion about Damdreds D1 plays. Doesn't feel to me like it led him to anything. Really just looks like a discussion of facts from outside the game. Damdred has been an afk non-entity for a while now. He just tends to forget about the game past D1. The focus on interest should rather lie on Palmars weird ass theory that Damdred was mafia pretending to be 3p. I don't really see a world where that is of benefit to mafia. On April 10 2019 01:12 Vivax wrote: My lynch pool atm looks this, in no particular order: Mig - Repeatedly keeps bringing up activity for unnecessary reasons. Loose cannon style of questions that are an easy way of appearing active plus his question directed at TW. KSC - Kinda just exists and goes along without trying to get his hands dirty too much, complained about me being on his ass when I have at most gently kicked it. Going to wait on his promise of effort. Disformation - Also just going along, don't see him even trying to get a read on me after saying multiple times he'd take a look at my filter. Seems like he's in the comfort zone when lynch is headed for Sentinel/KSC. Keeping it in mind for associations later. Palmar - Weekend is over and didn't see much smart stuff from him besides a push on Damdred who is probably town (as long as we go with the theory that all romans and hindus are) and one on Sentinel. Sentinel - Just very non contributive. Have yet to see someone try to work through whether he's bad town or actually mafia. I for myself can't make that distinction. But since this is a no vig game I think it might be worth lynching him just to get a null out. Pandain - His "cause I'm town" arguments reminded me of his scum game where he tried to push the fact really hard that he was town cause his shot on HF was good. Not a reason for me to scumread him, but I remember someone townreading him based on that post. I just don't see much that makes me lean one way or another on him. Sentinel just has a very lynch baity feeling to him and seems like a policy lynch at this point. I'm mostly looking at dudes for mafia who flock around rayn and HF while appearing active. Objectively disfo fits the profile the best. Has a very copycatty feeling to him. Kelsier would come second. feels a bit more like scum going for low hanging fruit though | ||
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On April 11 2019 17:54 Palmar wrote: We have 10 people left. If you all are not changing your mind about lynching me and can shoot me it might be better, although assuming mafia kills 2 or something we might actually not have enough time left to do something. It's almost certain we have 2 mafia left, possibly 3 because it appears Grack got converted. This seems to be a swing mechanic so assuming normal balance, 4-ish mafia, it's very likely that it swung to 5 mafia. If I die + 2 night kills it's going to be 4v3. If there's an additional recruitment mechanic it might be gg but I kinda doubt that would be the case as swinging to 6 mafia i just broken. It's pretty obvious I'm getting screwed by an anti-massclaim mechanic (tubesock's role was an anti-massclaim mechanic too). Either mafia has dual roles, or was provided with fake claims. Both are quite likely. Can't even blame the hosts, this just town being dumb. I think it's extremely likely there is only one mafia left. And the most would be 2. Think about how extremely powerful the mafia converting mechanic is. Even if we lynched mafia right every single day, we would still never win unless we lynched the original converter. We can assume maybe he can only convert a couple night. Even with this, there are so many town roles (that we know are town) that had win objectives to kill other towns. This suggests a lower mafia count. And an original two is not that low anyway; if you think about it odds were that you would be able to get to 4 by day 2 (and given that two are recruits it makes them more powerful). Anyway FF can't kill you, his powers only work on Hindu Arabs. Kelsier should jail Palmar tonight. Anyway the diplomat thing is not even the main reason you are being lynched. You've done absolutely nothing this game and no real scumhunting. Even this post doesn't push towards anyone, it's just defense. Mafia had a huge incentive to not vote Vivax (as they would lose two people). This makes it extremely likely that Fecalfeast, slam, dis, and especially me (as the final and definitive vote) are town. It also makes the last scum (or two) almost certainly among Mocsta, Palmar, VE, Kelsier, and Rayn. I heavily heavily doubt any of the Assasins (rayn and FF) are scum. The ability to have additiona (consecutive) l free shots at town? no fucking way That makes the last two scum extremely likely between Mocsta, Palmar, VE, and Kelsier. Mocsta strikes me as town (although I will re-examine him) , making it between Palmar, VE, and Kelsier. Of these, you are by far the best choice. You claimed a role title that is literally referenced in another post as mafia. You voted Sentinel and not Vivax, and have failed to really do anything on any day so far. This was the extent of your reasoning on Sentinel. On April 10 2019 22:57 Palmar wrote: I think we should just kill sentinel though. Aside from all the role stuff dude is playing like mafia. You clearly don't really care about this game because you haven't had anything meaningful to say regarding lynches on Day 1 or Day 2. Whether that's because you're sick or afk or busy or mafia, it's uncertain. But it's a big red flag in your play. So if you get lynched, it's because the signs lead here. I'm not even certain you are the best lynch, I'll look into Kelsier and VE and Mocsta. But you're a great lynch. | ||
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We have only flipped one person that started out as mafia (assuming converted means converted). The chance of there being only 1 mafia left is extremely, extremely slim. I'd like to point out that Vivax had a very, very clear anti-massclaim role. He had the exact same role name as a townie (Grack). It should be quite obvious the same thing is going on with my role. Hell, why the fuck would I claim diplomat if Vivax, my mafia bro, has a role that says there is a mafia diplomat. Do yall think I'm retarded? I wouldn't mind being jailed, that's fine, but I'd like to participate. Can Kelsier communicate with me if I'm jailed? | ||
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On April 11 2019 18:22 Pandain wrote: Anyway the diplomat thing is not even the main reason you are being lynched. You've done absolutely nothing this game and no real scumhunting. Even this post doesn't push towards anyone, it's just defense. Mafia had a huge incentive to not vote Vivax (as they would lose two people). This makes it extremely likely that Fecalfeast, slam, dis, and especially me (as the final and definitive vote) are town. It also makes the last scum (or two) almost certainly among Mocsta, Palmar, VE, Kelsier, and Rayn. I have probably done more actual scumhunting than most of the people in this game. Thing is I hate role bullshit, so I haven't really taken part in that. On April 11 2019 18:22 Pandain wrote: Of these, you are by far the best choice. You claimed a role title that is literally referenced in another post as mafia. You voted Sentinel and not Vivax, and have failed to really do anything on any day so far. This was the extent of your reasoning on Sentinel. But... On April 08 2019 20:43 Palmar wrote: Sentinel had a bit going into the game and kept with it for way too long, to the point he did nothing useful on day 1 because he was doing his bit. Wonder where we've seen sentinel hide behind a gimmick as mafia before? Also, his last minute voteswitch has a few implications. Did he know he was too late? Clocks aren't a hard thing to work. I always find it very unrealistic people miss deadlines accidentally. Or maybe I'm just wrong on Damdred. Who knows You missed my actual reason for wanting to kill him. I actually think he's still very likely to flip mafia. The lack of enthusiasm by mafia might actually be explained by the fact that the top two votes were both scum. On April 11 2019 18:22 Pandain wrote: You clearly don't really care about this game because you haven't had anything meaningful to say regarding lynches on Day 1 or Day 2. Whether that's because you're sick or afk or busy or mafia, it's uncertain. But it's a big red flag in your play. So if you get lynched, it's because the signs lead here. I'm not even certain you are the best lynch, I'll look into Kelsier and VE and Mocsta. But you're a great lynch. I'm never active on weekends as basically everyone here knows (use the search function). Last game was my first game in a long time and huge game so I was really into playing. I also just happened to I did care about the lynch on day 1, I pushed for my lynch and wasn't far from getting him actually lynched. Like you're skewing history quite badly if you think I didn't care there. The wagon I created and pushed literally tied with the leading wagon. Yes I was wrong, but it was still a good push ( I couldn't possibly have known he would get modkilled back then, it looked really bad ). Day 2 was a bit different, I just don't have much interest in setup speculation and figuring out things based on roles. It's one of the things I don't enjoy in mafia. So I just voted whoever I thought (and still think) is mafia based on scumhunting. I was only out sick on tuesday. That excuse doesn't cover any other days. Everything else is just a combination of "this is how I play" and slight lack of motivation because I find mass claiming and figuring out games based on roles boring. I like scumhunting, not doing host wifom and setup speculation. | ||
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On April 11 2019 18:39 Pandain wrote: What do you think about the last mafia (or two) being between VE, Kelsier, and Mocsta (excluding you since you will work on the assumption you're town) Of the people left, I either have current, or lingering since day 1 townreads on disfo, you, ff, ve. Maybe mocsta Rest I'm not sure. I think Sentinel looks bad. I never have any idea bout slam. rayn feels a little bit off, his impact of the game feels really low, but it's possible he, like me, just hates setup stuff. I haven't bothered reading anything by Ksc so maybe he's just mafia because his posts are boring. I'm also not super confident in all my townreads. but it's my current view. Thankfully, people are going to try to kill me tomorrow, so that'll make it pretty easy for me to tell whose heart is actually in it and who's just along for the ride | ||
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Pretty sure it's not allowed to quote full role pms. Seems like very few if anyone else is actually from Pisa | ||
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The only problem with that explanation is why the fuck would mafia recruit their lover, knowing both will die if one dies. | ||
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