I really dislike the fact that while Damdred decided to drop a bunch of speculation about the game setup that I hate anyway, he didn't find the time to post even a single relevant post about his actual reads. Posting about role stuff is just another way of not posting at all, especially since he hasn't bothered to actually explain anything.

Also I haven't read rayn's filter, but I found it strange that he basically assumed rayn is town.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 10:29 GMT

#687

I'm not lynching jock btw, he gets a day pass for destroying hf

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 10:43 GMT

#689

To clarify about Damdred.

If I'm to accept his posts at face value, I'd have to believe he has found a way to read rayn as town pretty strongly, in addition to believing he has an anti-town (ie: killing townies, because he thinks rayn is town) secondary win condition and in addition that he chose to reveal that win condition.

Aside from the fact that secondary win conditions are both rare and terrible, even if Damdred has one his optimal play as town is to just play like town and shut up about it. There is absolutely no benefit for Damdred to reveal having objectives outside of killing mafia as town.

I don't believe him.

What I think happened is Damdred is positioning himself to play as 3rd party, ie, he wants us to think he's a neutral 3rd party faction. Mafia does this all the time, it's better to be perceived as a 3rd party working on your own objectives than as mafia. Town doesn't have the same problem because it's even better to be perceived as town than 3rd party.

I don't believe him, I think he's scum.

His best excuse would probably just be that he's trolling and none of this stuff is real.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 10:46 GMT

#690

On April 07 2019 19:37 Mocsta wrote:
Hf

Shall we do palmar day1 two games in a row?

Way ahead of you, already working under the assumption the combined weight of idiocy is greater than my strength.

The only regret I have is hosts should be murdered for starting games on weekends. I really don't have time for this.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 13:10 GMT

#728

On April 07 2019 21:38 Holyflare wrote:

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Which posts do you like from Palmar that aren't just rehashes of previously talked about topics?

Me saying things is just so much better than other people saying things. Not to mention the fact that you’re probably gonna waffle off all your good reads anyway.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 13:17 GMT

#731

On April 07 2019 20:17 Mocsta wrote:
Secondly, I agree with Palmar that alt-win con should not cloud the thread, yet, he seemingly is oblivious/ignorant that several others, not just Damdred, have raised alt win-con.

Did they? I admit I'm far from done with reading through the thread, but which other players have claimed alternative win con?

On April 07 2019 20:17 Mocsta wrote:
"I don't believe him" , whilst 'true from Palmar PoV' is the easy/lazy position for him to push... you tell me.
Is easy/lazy more likely to town!palmar, or scum!palmar.

You're missing the point. It's not just that I don't believe his actions make sense, I'm trying to demonstrate that no one should believe him.

The case can be summed up in two points.

1) Damdred didn't post anything that looked like reading the game, just mechanics and role stuff.

2) Damdred's role stuff positions him to act as 3p. The only people who GAIN by being perceived as 3p are mafia.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 13:19 GMT

#732

Mig's filter is really bad as well. It's essentially an afk filter.

I would complain he hasn't followed up his VE read at all but he's literally not been in the thread.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 13:19 GMT

#733

On April 07 2019 22:14 Mocsta wrote:

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How do you foresee me responding to this?

Its all backhand slaps, yeah....

Your first point is so off the mark I'm in shock, and your second point should tend towards a scum read on me.

Tell the truth please.. did you even read what I wrote?

tbf I wouldn't really blame anyone for mostly skimming your stuff.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 13:24 GMT

#736

On April 07 2019 22:21 Vivax wrote:
MZ wagon doesn't really convince me. Feel like there is a bunch of opportunists hopping on. Naming disfo and Slam.

It's kinda scummy that you haven't yet told everyone how smart I am

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 13:32 GMT

#741

On April 07 2019 22:25 Pandain wrote:
RE: Damdred

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Sure, but he hasn't been around since early day 1. That should be expected early day 1

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Sure, you're right, but just because it positions him to act as 3p in no way means that he intentionally is aiming for that. You're reading a possible explanation as the most likely explanation. He could have information in his role pm suggesting third parties, or he could just be extrapolating based on what people are saying and the theme of the game.

Your defense amounts to "he might post more later" and "he might have meant something else".

So vote him and when he shows up suddenly making everything crystal clear we'll just unvote him, right?

Great plan Palmar, really good.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

April 07 2019 13:35 GMT

#742

On April 07 2019 22:25 Mocsta wrote:
Palmar #731
First ctrl+F i found

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I noted your points on Damdred, and I just don't think that holds in a closed THEMED game on Day1.
At worst he should be put on alert for a Day2 or 3 lynch.

Sure, but it seems to me that this one doesn't involve killing people you claim to think are town.

Also you said several, show me more please.

I don't want to lynch Damdred because he has an alternate win con. I want to kill him because I can't understand the logic from a town point of view in how he deals with it, meaning I don't believe he's telling the truth.