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On February 21 2019 09:44 Mocsta wrote: /in havnt seen rsoultin for yonks <3 | ||
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On February 24 2019 10:34 Tictock wrote: Humm... Spirit of the last big Hurrah makes me want to /in But... My mental state has really only gotten worse since the last time I played so I would likely either remain pretty aloof or just be a detriment to whatever side I end up on. Yea, assuming I remember this whenever it starts I should prob just obs. I will totally cave to peer pressure and play though... assuming nobody has issues with me, which I'd totally understand after how I acted last game. <3 you and your tiny print lol Over 30 people @.@ | ||
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On February 27 2019 01:57 Tictock wrote: I suppose I was unintentionally furthering the stereotype of the bad Asian female driver... I really just wanted to put the reference for the joke I was making. In hindsight, context was probably unnecessary. Personally I tend to be most bothered by drivers who feel like they own the road. You know the people who bob and weave in and out of traffic playing the “me first” game. Who, despite knowing full well their lane is ending, will zoom as far past as many people as possible before merging over. I find it odd how there is a thread of thought that gender has any bearing on driving ability, when clearly there is no difference between men and woman drivers. I do have to concede that there are cultural differences in driving. One thing I notice is that in EU drivers tend to use car horns as an alert whereas in the US drivers tend to use it as a shout (usually in anger at traffic or telling someone to go). This 100%. Nothing angry about the honking in the Netherlands Though of course that's just one country so maybe not 100% lol. But it's definitely a difference I noticed coming here from the States. Though Lex's insistence that there were no bad drivers in the Netherlands who selfishly do dangerous things was of course a rose-colored glasses statement. To be fair, though, it's the exception. And he said it while I was driving us through Dallas Ft. Worth lol >< (And no, despite Slam's studies - which obviously I know are talking about statistically significant trends - it wasn't actually a critique on my driving. I am the "fortunate" one in the family who after living in San Antonio for years always ends up driving in cities because other people be scary man >< rofl. Poor Lex can barely stand to be in the car when Dad is driving.) For the uninitiated, Lex is ArtanisXP and is being chicken-shit and not joining us. He blames work. We all know better >> (We also can't play in the same game together 'cause I can't keep a secret but shhh that's not a factor at all.) | ||
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On March 01 2019 02:12 Holyflare wrote: Also I'm on holiday in Amsterdam from Firday till Monday so expect almost 0 effort. tsk tsk | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:21 Holyflare wrote: Unconfirmed at this point. His weird emoticons make me suspicious of him though. inorite? you can join jock and ff as okayish | ||
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On March 02 2019 16:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred, is it weird FF thinks LS might be mafia? is it bad that i think i should be careful of you cause you're doing the thing that you know i look for and you've proven that even in games where i'm not guaranteed to be a driving force you still cater to me? that said, okayish pile ho! | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all. More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within. Not sure if this makes you town or just stating the obvious lol | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:35 Fecalfeast wrote: Chezinu is a part of the corporate oligarchy that we need to expunge from our world. I came from nothing and want for nothing. If voted mayor I will donate my entire salary to the charity of a majority of voters' choosing! I like you ^^ | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages Lol, ye, he trfel and chez are topping my lynch list at the moment. Chez in particular is rubbing me wrong with his sideline commentary nothing posts. | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:33 Rels wrote: yo A d1 rels? o.0 Stop my heart! | ||
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It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though. | ||
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On March 02 2019 14:15 Tictock wrote: Trying out something diff, since ppl generally hate my posting style. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia Trfel: Almost always town, or hasn't actually read his PM. LS: First 3 posts make me lean town too, super carefree. Chez: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:04 Chezinu wrote: Memorandum In Memoriam Dear colleagues: I have been informed that there is a rumor going around that the end of Liquidia is upon us. From our intelligent agencies that report to the corporate office, we see no indication that the fountains of the deep have been vaporized. It is true that there has been a lack of springs in the recent season, but this has nothing to do with the end of the well but rather it is part of the natural dry season. Go ahead and do your research if you are still concerned. We are currently experiencing in El Nino. Now to address the real issue. The issue that is currently a root that is draining our well. This root harms the company and does not bear fruit. This root is gossip. Now, let us uproot it. Please be wary of what you hear. Take captive of your thoughts and be sure to bridle your tongue. If you have any questions or concerns, please speak openly in the public forums or if it is a more sensitive topic then please speak with human resource in the corporate office. In the meantime, the executive committee has decided to launch an investigation to find the seed that started this root. To ensure the welfare of the company, all utilization of the company’s personal messaging will be temporarily banned until we complete our investigation. Thank you for time, Chezinu Isunizehc Cool Points for the Sig, pretty NAI post... I Kinda note the Push for finding Mafia... gut says townlean. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 10:06 Trfel wrote: Can't you just check the QT? Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool? Yea, this dude is super town. Also makes me realize there is a mayor vote, which while probably important I super don't care about kus that BS is mostly about popularity. Probably not gunna bother with it, but will be goaded into taking a stance at some point. Gunna do these one page at a time (this is my thoughts as I read). I don't care if you hate it or not. And no, I probably will not stick to this style as the game goes on. -squints at- you concern me | ||
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On March 02 2019 15:51 Tictock wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 12:59 Chezinu wrote: You needs a story! You need a Theme! The candidate with the best story theme gets my support!! Go Forth! Write like never before! Did you give up your own campaign? + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 13:42 iamperfection wrote: just trying to figure out your alignment no need to have an existential crisis Yea, I think I am cool with IamP for town. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 13:47 Alakaslam wrote: Hi. Just got off shift at sushi bar. Gonna go home but, do not vote me as mayor Given Slam, this is prob NAI, but feels like an Odd post. "Hi, I'm here but not here. Don't make me Mayor" + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 13:48 Trfel wrote: Sorry I'm not understanding, what specifically changed? In other news, my reason to be suspicious of raynpelikoneet was completely wrong, whoops. Never mind me. Think you misinterpreted this Trfel, pretty sure he was just saying that at the time of that post he was happy to lynch him. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2019 14:13 Alakaslam wrote: After that, I’d say Ace or you. Really Slam? HF>BH>Ace=Chez for Mayor? all without having read the game yet? Oh god then this Tictock guy starts posting.... wait... Meh, I am being nitpicky about Slams posts, but I am getting weird feels from em. Chez dropping the "corporate letters" thing to just post feels pretty towny to me. Just seems happy to play. Lol, you feel towny to me but I really don't agree with your Chez read :/ | ||
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On March 02 2019 17:21 iamperfection wrote: you can vig exo too old non dank memes not on my watch kid you're getting my i don't know you but i like you enough to risk it mayor vote, complete with i don't care if chez who i want to lynch likes you, too tbf rayn i'm not really sure about trfel and feel a little better about his later posts, so -shrugs- @ExO if you're town dude pick a not 30+ game to be a shit plzthx acrofales joins my could lynch pile tw i liked for about two seconds and can't remember why so yay \o/ <-gonna call this my palmar too lazy to check back read | ||
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On March 02 2019 17:35 rsoultin wrote: ##Mayor: iamperfection ##vote: Chezinu Shots fired and caught up and all that jazz ^^ | ||
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On March 02 2019 17:36 Chezinu wrote: You got to ease them into it. That is what I do. If I would have played like I do now in my first game... I am not sure what would have happened. Posing such questions will help you. Good work. If you do by the off changed get banned from TL for such posts. I thank you for bringing nukes into this game. Good luck my friend. I'd really like to see something shiny if you're town that didn't make me want to lynch your ass. This does not qualify. Yo, ExO, pretend I'm the non-visual idiot I actually pretty much am and if there's anything the least big relevant about all your frog and taunty images, lay it on me. | ||
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On March 02 2019 17:39 Chezinu wrote: r soul tin? Has my words caused your soul sorrow? The Netherland likes my presence not... 2 from Netherlands has my presence disturbed since the start of the game. Aw, baby, you've got it backwards. You have me dry as a desert with how little your presence has disturbed me <3 | ||
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This could get fun ^^ I didn't peg you for an LS. | ||
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On March 02 2019 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: No thats not what MZ said initially. In other news, rsoultin do you believe acrofales and/or exo to be mafia? Both could be, 'specially since I remember ExO being an overserious blowhard with an ego to rival mine (yours, HF's, yada yada). Acro I don't know from Adam and my reservation on him is it's pretty blatantly anti-town for scum trying to hide when he can just say he's not gonna be around and do bugger all. And then you ask me, but rsoul, ExO is also doing a blatantly anti-town thing, which is where I refer you to how I remember him being and remind the world that there is a difference between looking at something from a point of no information vs. some prior experience. I don't care if either gets lynched. Still want to lynch Chez ^^ | ||
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On March 02 2019 16:59 Tubesock wrote: I like Chez because he’s entertaining. I would love for a couple things in this game to be true. We RNG lynch Blazinghand, and that Chezinu hasn’t played with LightningStrike and falls to the rule of LS. Although that’s just the troll in me. I think Chez and LS are townie. In other news, another zzz that can go in the acro/exo/mp maybe truffle pile yup. And SL. He's not trying to lynch me. | ||
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On March 02 2019 19:38 Tubesock wrote: I don’t think I’ve ever tried to lynch you? Who are you talking about? Sicklucker is SL | ||
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On March 02 2019 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bottom line; I completely agree with iamp about vigging those two guys so far but i have absolutely no idea why that should make him town, and if he isn't town(read) then he should not be mayor. I'm reading him town because his tone has a mix of uncertainty/aggression that I tend to like in a vacuum and in general his reads are aligning with mine (and no exo and acro aren't the only things he's weighed in on). Could I be wrong about someone I don't even remember playing with before? Sure. But if someone else wants my vote for mayor that someone else is going to have to make me all warm and cushy inside. @HF I suppose you can be forgiven if it's an anniversary thing. Maybe. Random weirdball read HF is being lazy enough to be more likely town than scum lol >< go figure | ||
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Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic? | ||
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On March 02 2019 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i agree. Also Slam doesn't look town at all. Sadly no, he doesn't :/ I love playing with town slams | ||
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On March 02 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ofc not, but i am suggesting leave the trash to vigilantes and try to actually gain some information from the mayor lynch discussion. That's why I want to lynch Chez? I'm not sure how voting for Iam for mayor prevents us gaining information from the mayor lynch because I'm viewing it as #1 and #2 plurality lynches rather than who Iam has talked about vigging? You're perfectly free to disagree with me on my Iam read and try to get more information out of him, though. I'm not preventing you. | ||
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On March 02 2019 20:09 sicklucker wrote: ah i mean i tried to lynch you a few times but im not sure it ever worked out very well or you were actually mafia. Im a reformed man why cant people change. You have gone on about this in are last games too but I think we were both town? ITs almost like its a bad read by you formed from are first game together like 900 years ago where I wanted to lynch you as town vs town. but maybe thats just my opinion. me thinking you town does not make me mafia is what im getting at. at most its something I would do only slightly more as mafia. so leave me alone for it squints eyes in acid You be you, boo. You're in my 'I don't care if they're lynched' pile, which is not in danger from an rsoul crusade unless I have no 'let's lynch 'em pile'. And I will acknowledge that you may be right and it's an old, bad read. | ||
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But what he was giving were non-committal turds and I don't even know what that spoilered lynch list or ls emoticon thing was about. | ||
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You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from. And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. | ||
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On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do. Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles. I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. Lol >< after what I just said this is not improving my confidence in him. | ||
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On March 02 2019 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell? Fine, i got completely different read on him from the beginning and then he also did a trademark town Trfel thing later. Also this post bothers me. It's downplaying the fact that he legitimately knows I look for him engaging with people to get reads, and that there are at least two scum games (one where I was probably the town leader and another where there were enough other strong town players that if I went ham on him he'd probably be safe unless they independently scumread him) where he catered his play specifically to how I read him. In earlier scum games he'd yell at people and it would feel more like rayn against the world. So this post bothers me because it's a de-escalation that's almost submissive while at the same time trying to downplay something we both know he's done. "Oh, really, as scum I do some of the same things as town?" And I know I just made a wall of text that means probably nothing to anyone but yeah -_- if anyone wants to know where some of the leeriness is coming from there you go. (Also he hasn't called me scum yet for having different reads than him >>) | ||
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On March 02 2019 21:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why the hell would I post a read that doesnt matter? If i don't have someone directly pinned as green/red they are neutral until a) I have time to filter dive them and get a better idea of a read b) They do something that pushes them one way or the other. Talking about my "42%" chance to be scum read as an example serves basically no fucking point. lol you sound angry. So we're your only reads. Cool. Would have expected that rather than 'only important' reads, but whatevs. When you get some more I might be able to make a judgement call on you beyond we clearly do not see the game the same way. And, to be fair, I get why people aren't townreading Iam but whatever I'm gonna be the hipster. I can also see you not getting the nuances I'm talking about with Chez. I can even perhaps see me either being wrong on Chez's contributions even while trolling. So the only real thing you've given me is being pretty defensive for seemingly no reason when I just asked you a question. | ||
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On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote: MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread. And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write. "Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia" Okay, you can be in my non-lynch pile. This feels like a vivaxy thing to focus on though I can't say I read his post the same way you do. I'd actually call his post a potential strawman argument. "Why did you pick those names?" "Why do you care why I picked those names? It's a joke." I agree with MP that names come from somewhere, joke or not -shrugs- | ||
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On March 02 2019 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I see what you're saying Vivax but i think you are blowing it out of proportion. Conversion is very very likely to be town. Because...? | ||
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On March 02 2019 21:22 Vivax wrote: That's what I'd rather expect from a townie making a joke. And not try to use your joke post in an argumentation for you not being mafia. Screaming agreement with you there. It's just I don't read the intention behind Conversion's posting as trying to make an argument that makes him not mafia? And since neither of us are him I don't know how we can know his intent for sure :/ | ||
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On March 02 2019 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he sounds town the same way he sounded town in Secret Hitler game, especially in his argument with happykrogan. -headdesks- too lazy to look that up and the likelihood it helps me with either his or your alignment even if i do is just so minimal pffft | ||
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On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker. He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed: Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist. lol i totally missed where he tr me >< maybe na maybe na idk he hasn't done the thing i associate with town sl's if you want the truth though i'm more weirded out by tube | ||
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On March 02 2019 22:06 rsoultin wrote: lol i totally missed where he tr me >< maybe na maybe na idk he hasn't done the thing i associate with town sl's if you want the truth though i'm more weirded out by tube to clarify, the thing i associate with town sl's is a bit more solid than just voting to lynch me lol >< my issue with tube is not only was his entrance crap but he only came out again when i pointed it out (same time i named sl) and since hasn't done a thing. active lurker much? also, is it bad that i'm wanting to association read you town because of rayn who could easily be scum? i agree your later posts look townier but i don't understand his townreading you for your early posts | ||
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On March 02 2019 23:45 Conversion wrote: can you explain your six scum reads? I don't get it. <3 | ||
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On March 02 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote: is that me? what's the point of hiding the name? ok this is cool, but if you're in agreement with Vivax, do you still want to lynch Chezinu over me? your trail is kind of soft here, unlike Vivax who is hard for "Conversion is mafia" There's a ton of people doing this in my perspective, so could you go a little deeper in explaining why you picked sicklucker? Still pushing for a Chez lynch. I'm in agreement with Vivax in theory that someone using that type of joke post to say they're town is scummy. And disagree that's what you were doing. Don't have enough to go on to have a strong read on you. | ||
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On March 03 2019 00:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Stale takes by this point but I have town reads on TT and myself and I'm behind vigging Exo @rsoultin I'm pretty sure Chez shitposts in every thread regardless of alignment. What makes him scum in this particular case? Yeah I don't know what to tell you other than it's not the same and also the "Chez shitposts" claim is in my opinion exaggerated or maybe oversimplified? I've never felt a town Chez in my games isn't contributing. So. On September 30 2017 15:18 Chezinu wrote: My first impressions upon my initial reading post-wow was that some players spoke as if they are your great genuine friends speaking honestly without insecurity. A very relaxed atmosphere. Then there was this guy who spoke quite differently. He was hiding his inner being. Deflected with questions that I have no interest in reading or comprehending. He name was Damerion. I skimmed and some say he is new. But this doesn't sit well with me as a justification. I liked Oats initial reads. ^First post of his last town game for example. That's not a shitpost to me. The one before that he's banging on about the Chez rule (which I actually don't find terribly alignment indicative for him). I'll admit that the Palmar's Purge game looks pretty shitposty in the beginning but that seems to be attributable to mechanics. Then we see this post: On August 19 2016 14:39 Chezinu wrote: Ok! SL cause you so awesome, I'll tell you what I didn't bother telling others. Cause you know, you give free space infos. So I gives infos too! Onegu -nukes-> Superbia (An USSR Citizen!!!) Chezinu -nukes-> Onegu (A dictator of a foreign regime that invaded attacked up first) this same foreign dictator tried running for General Secretary during our elections. We of course took notice of him. Before he was reprimanded, he managed to apply for an USSR passport (He was denied) and launched a nuke at our dear USSR space pilot. While we were dealing with this southern enemy, USSR was invaded by a lunatic. Your dear General Secretary whom has defended this land has taken cover in a secret hide out at an undisclosed location. The USSR has taken action against the crazed invader. We hope to see his shortfall in the coming hours. At this, it may be due to the sacrifice our your dearly beloved leader. Nuclear launch has already been detected. Which is all to say that to me I expect posts like the above two from a town Chez even if he's staying in-character and he doesn't give me the same glossy this is a town Chez feels this game. Though I fully realize I could 1) be wrong and 2) if Chez is scum he's not the only one. | ||
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-pokes- give me more slamtheman. i'm warming up to you | ||
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chez/rayn would be interesting flips i think if we're lynching into nothing posters my preference is still tube the rest is a wash of leans that i'm not finding very important atm. liked ff when he was posting though. maybe he should get bumped up into my no-lynches | ||
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On March 03 2019 01:10 iamperfection wrote: Who the fuck is tina Me. Most of the players know my real name. | ||
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Slam's in my no-lynch list today, too. And I'll grant HF the TT read cause that's totally what I did as scum I think a few times? For indeterminate feels reasons I disagree but that's kinda par for the course for me. Sentinel can hang if Chez/rayn aren't in the nooses. Jock's MZ reasoning makes me want to townread him. On March 03 2019 03:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't like posts like this. I see little value in just giving a slew of green reads and leaving out your one "gut feeling" Its easy to call people town, especially so if you're mafia because you know you're right. And there's very little point in hiding your scum reads. Bring it up and make them talk more. That's how you actually catch scum. Also, this post from MZ...while I'm glad he's focusing on something new, he's not saying anything here. I don't know if you think Grack is scum or you're just lecturing him on how to play @.@ Which is funny cause I also wasn't a huge fan of Grack's post. | ||
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On March 03 2019 04:57 Alakaslam wrote: He also didn’t lead with it, he just hopped on rsoul’s mild suspicion. Notice I actually townread her, yet not him Lol tbf I'm pretty sure rayn mentioned you first and I was the one aggreeing that you didn't look towny this game. | ||
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On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Vote oats. I mean yeah, it struck me as dead wrong when he said it, too. And you latching onto this makes me even happier about my townread on you, but what makes him scum rather than bad? What I personally find more curious is he was quoting the voting thread but then his reads didn't seem to have anything to do with people voting? | ||
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On March 03 2019 06:50 Trfel wrote: @sicklucker What? @Vivax: Sure, go for it. Also it's easier to just vote for Oatsmaster than look at his meta so I'll just be doing that. rofl >< no-lynch pile | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:07 rsoultin wrote: ##vote Oatsmaster Yeah yolo lol >< Chez can be second lynch! \o/ | ||
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As it should be, FF, as it should be | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Probably not going to keep my vote on Oats and willing to acknowledge that Chez has magic not gonna get lynched D1 brown powers so back to the experiment XD Liking Sl more, df okayish but hard to tell with so little, Grack a disappointment with all that buildup to a tumblewood scumread way to be anticlimactic man, FF just a townish lean that's getting grayer. Putting pressure on Sent seems pointless when he's backed himself into a corner to perform starting N1 unless the policy bit is to just discourage anyone from doing that ever? | ||
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On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again. Summary of the night: ##mayor Palmar zzz this is why the sent push is pointless | ||
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On March 03 2019 16:32 Acrofales wrote: Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders. And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town. 36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy. And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit? Though props for not being that guy at least. | ||
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On March 03 2019 17:01 Chezinu wrote: phew,,, I am so glad the mafia has back down on me since I'm playing nice with MZ. I really feel a huge pressure off of me now. I feel quite free. So with that said. hey rsoultin! Do you want to be friends? depends, you ready to slake my thirst? | ||
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On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO. Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information. Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above. Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1. I'm bored with the Chez thing anyway zzz His Rping wasn't shiny at all and I don't care if I'm the only one who thinks that's significant, but I'm willing to see if he brings the shine especially since he has the equivalence to plot armor. I want my experiment to come back. Rsoul lacks patience. So our basic disagreement appears to be how to use the mayoral role. I'm more in favor of figurehead who does our bidding. But fine. I'm doubting this town gets organized enough to use it appropriately anyway and we can always turn it into a vote for whoever is running on the platform of who you want lynched, which gives similar information. Lynching one person to determine another's alignment on D1 is kinda dumb imo? | ||
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On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play. ^That is the correct response boyo | ||
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On March 03 2019 18:27 Holyflare wrote: When did I ever make a case on rayn wtf? You didn't that I recall. Though I like his Palmar read. | ||
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On March 03 2019 18:32 Tubesock wrote: Anyone want to vote Palmar? Doesn’t that sound super fun? rayne, Chez? HF? Not the worst idea. Actually, new experiment \o/ On March 03 2019 18:42 rsoultin wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Palmar | ||
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On March 03 2019 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just saying if hf actually believes what he says there he always votes for me, always!!! Every single fucking time as town because that SHOULD be a scumread. Aw and now I'm jealous :/ this was the reaction you were supposed to be giving me | ||
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This experiment looks to be more interesting ^^ | ||
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On March 03 2019 19:11 Holyflare wrote: I don't care that any of you have some amazing read on LS by the way. I don't think he looks towny. He just reappears to not really say anything or give a scum read and keeps essentially defending Sentinel. -shrugs- He's not scum so...don't care? | ||
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On March 03 2019 19:15 Holyflare wrote: I've actually read his filter now and I can't see a single scum read. I'm used to ls at least scum reading someone (usually me) or at least doing his "there's one scum between x and y" thing but it's all defences and town reads. Eh fuck me you're right lol >< | ||
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On March 03 2019 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##mayor iamperfection ##vote holyflare Yo, avoiding me man. What changed your mind on Iam since he was what was stuck in your craw when you started questioning me in the first place? | ||
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On March 03 2019 19:21 rsoultin wrote: Yo, avoiding me man. What changed your mind on Iam since he was what was stuck in your craw when you started questioning me in the first place? I'm bored. HF is town. Answer this Rayn ^ | ||
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Though a Rayn 'policy' lynch for ignoring me is also something I'd get behind. This 'she'll never understand me so I'm not going to try to talk to her' stance is weaksauce. Oats I'm kinda okay with and he who shall not be named is not on the table so -shrugs- | ||
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On March 03 2019 23:14 LightningStrike wrote: I just woke up and I saw HF and Rayn were having a fight over what Rayn said was a case of HF lying about his read on Rayn o.o Dunno how to feel I think it was a clash of egos over anything else. Rels didn't post anything over night which made me very sad Hoping Rels post today or tomorrow before EoD so I can get a proper read on him and same with Damdred. @Tina what you think of the fight from Rayn and HF? I've already said my read on HF and hell if I know about Rayn but I just want to call him mafia. What do you think about me wanting to lynch you? | ||
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On March 03 2019 23:17 LightningStrike wrote: I don't blame you but I still a little upset that you not following Damdred's read on me who we both know have high chance of reading me correctly I thought you had more stuff you wanted to say that's all regarding my question towards you :\ Lol >< yeah you can't rely on Damdred here. I thought you sounded towny when he read you, too, assuming both of you aren't mafia I think if you're town your best option here is just to start spouting reads instead of herding people off Sent. | ||
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On March 03 2019 23:25 LightningStrike wrote: But I living in a glass box Tina :\ You say that like that's supposed to mean something to me... | ||
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If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there. | ||
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On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote: Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. Lol what? Did I miss something? | ||
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On March 04 2019 01:01 Holyflare wrote: It's host wifom so you can believe what you will about it. Ah, then I'm going to pretend I'm way more confident than I am about everything and stick to my guns. Y'all and your mod-confirmed shenanigans. | ||
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Try-harding Onegu's are always on my sus list, and it fits nicely into my current view to boot. Though I'm wondering who the hard-hitters are. Maybe rayn. | ||
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On March 04 2019 01:16 Onegu wrote: Rsoul is scum. First off 2 things. My signup post said I would tryhard this game. And second if this is my try hard posts.... 1. but rsoul i said i'd try-hard in my signup post which i know you definitely read and remember after xx pages! and 2. but rsoul i'm not try-harding! cool story, bro | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:46 LightningStrike wrote: Becuase rels is being a piece of shit I did give my own reads too. I done playing I thoguht I wasn't goign to ruin into brickwalls but no I facing brickwalls in Tina, Hf, Rels, and you FF go fuck yourselves. While it's nice to know certain ways of reading people remain reliable, lol >< I don't get this Tina is a brick wall thing. -pokes- Chill. You're nowhere near topping the lynches. | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote: I think ls is mafia but I really don't like rsoul's massive 360 on him when I pointed it out. -thumbs nose at- | ||
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Which Damdred has joined rather than being just null now so that's great lol >< blaaaah Also not feeling a sentinel lynch so can we not just kinda leming that one through like mindless zombies and actually discuss it? | ||
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On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote: Acrofails is mafia. I have mentioned his first post but i will mention it again because it makes my case longer and you guys like cases longer so it is easier for you to sheep Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum. He is also making reads but they aren't really reads. Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read. He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really. This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is. not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for. I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro. I like this though ^^ maybe I'll just sheep you. There was something that had me doubting on Acro being scum but I don't remember what it was :/ which is always super helpful. note to self: check again on Viva's conv thing cause don't think that guy has done anything, and grack oh yeah and mz @.@ Why did I join a 35 player game? Rels >< lol we should shoot Rels just out of revenge. Chez actually should probably be left alone. Or not. And who was it voting Palmar for mayor cause he thinks he's mafia? Was that Acro? | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:00 iamperfection wrote: i think its obvious that im town as well so just vote me for mayor. i don't think i've ever made a case as mafia. Ill use the ability as another lynch during the night phase where we have to do votes and shit. and lynch whoever we vote " although i would probably do what i want and just use it as a vig shot because im a dictator. Is that how the mayor thing works? Then we really shouldn't be voting for Palmar. | ||
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This post was mostly just for me, sorry. We've got a friend coming to live with us out of South Africa tomorrow, and the deadline is shit for me anyway so I'm not sure if I'll have much time for this game after tonight. | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:04 iamperfection wrote: i dont like your reaction to my case it struck me as fake i'm not responsible for your misconceptions lol | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:03 iamperfection wrote: why are you asking me can you not think on your own. Because that's not how I understood the mechanic. And looking back at the D1 post I'm still not sure where you got that from. | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:04 Damdred wrote: I like your case and it seems you believe it after all... Dude, you're scum aren't you? | ||
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Like straight up not even trying to pretend otherwise lol >< oh, I hope so, that'll make my job so much easier tonight | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm going to sheep your suspicion of him sheeping iamp's suspicion of Acrofales I still don't trust either of you or Damdred My suspicion's a bit more in-depth than that but I'm not going to go into it right now because I'm not going to tell him what to do to get me off his back. But regardless, you do you, I'll do me -salutes- | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:14 Damdred wrote: Is that a facetious question or a real one tina? Not at all. There's a Damdy present with no damdy present. | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:19 Damdred wrote: I have no pew pew left in my gun right now. Truthfully I am sort of playing on feels right now, perfections case feels right, in that it makes sense and it seems he believes it enough to push it. I think his approach right now is townie at least. I have no issue with you townreading Iam. Your tone on that post was super weird but that's not even the main reason I'm pushing you. Where you at, Damdy? | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:44 Damdred wrote: If people think I'm a red would rather they vote for me instead of with me, it's sort of weird in that regard lol Where you at, Damdy? | ||
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On March 04 2019 04:59 Rels wrote: rsoul can you detail your "experiment" if it's done ? Which one? The first was seeing if Rayn would get annoyed and come after me for ignoring his question. Which he both did and didn't so that was a wash. Though he did actively ignore me when I was trying to get clarification on his Iam read changing, which makes me want to lynch him and pretend that's more about scumreading him than ego. He's definitely still a scum lean, though. The second was seeing what happened with a Palmar vote when so many were kinda scumreading him but that one I just kinda abandoned cause impatient rsoul is impatient. And HF's comment on LS was right and that's actually a good way to read LS, but LS is probably just town for getting all out of whack with no real pressure on him lol >< Damdred is probably just scum though so that's nice ^^ It's not as strong a read as my tonal read that I think he's incapable of replicated as mafia but he's not playing this game right. | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:23 Rels wrote: OK disagree on LS raging being alignment indicative, he has shown that he can do it as scum to imitate his town meta Has he? Ohhh I was trying to avoid looking through old games :/ | ||
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damdred and ls mafia easy game easy life iam can have my mayor vote again if more people go for that than hf. he, viva and hf are probably my strongest townreads right now and i don't want a plammar | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:44 Damdred wrote: To be honest I sort am flopping around because nothing is super interesting to me so far. I do think ls is town though and wont vote him. Ehhhh Why is LS town, and why when you inevitably point to something tonal because for the life of me I can't see anything else that could convince you of that, is that more important than his utter lack of scumreads or any real suspicion this game? | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:46 Rels wrote: I'm caught up in the spoiler, a list of posts that changed my perception of a player if anyone care + Show Spoiler + LS : - don't like his self-aware post "just playing like I normally do!" - p55: doesn't have a read on Damdred, but uses Damdred's townread on him to defend himself? Jockmcplop: - pretty good posts for a newbie - p37: lol so sure he's gonna be townread, pretty townie TT: - p20: first post, 3 bad townleans for nothing on Trfel LS and Chez - p58: emotion post on HF feels strongly real IAMP: - p23: has a good reaction to a passive Jock post, but then ignore the post where Jock explains himself just after. Cherry-picking - p25: getting angry at exo is kinda townie rsoul: - p24: weird doubts on rayn buddying her makes her pretty townie - p52: check what is this experiment Vivax: - p28: fixing on the Conversion post is pretty town Vivax Conversion: - p30: thinks Grack is talking about him for no reason? Hyper defensive about being scumread Ace: - p32: horrible mayor plan from what's supposed to be the old mafia god, might be a bait though WaveofShadow: - p34: Conversion is town because early small wagons are always bad? What a bad reasonning - p56: 3rd time I think that he randomly pops into the thread and makes useless posts Tubesock and Wiggles: - p35: good post by Wiggles about TS Tumblewood: - p36: catch up post feels very natural, especially compared to the TT constant spoiler & thoughts posts SL: - p39: only townreads post, very careful to not throw shade at anyone, very unlike SL BH: - p49: has a "suggestion" but we need to ask him if we want to know it. Could be scum wanting to appear more active than he is. Or might be bait rayn: - p52: triggered =D =D probably town no-lynch today thanks for making life easier lol >< | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:48 Damdred wrote: I think LS using my read on him is partially justifiable. I generally have an amazing read on him. Using me as a shield is kinda meh though but is up his alley. Was that an answer to why you think he's town? o.0 | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:50 Damdred wrote: It is mostly tonal, and for his lack of reads...sometimes he does roll around the thread and just remarks on stuff with innocence. The rage sora points to town but hes pulled that stunt as scam before with me prodding him of course...so that's more null now I suppose. Really just feels like an excuse not to have to play in this scenario given his latest post, especially if he's burned that as a town-tell. So you're clued in enough to say nothing's interesting to you and have a tone read on LS, to decide iam is town and sheep his case, but you're still giving me no idea where you are. | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:54 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah he's done that a lot of times before as town. True, sadly. It's why I thought it made him town. | ||
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On March 04 2019 05:55 Damdred wrote: I did decide Iam is town...I am the terror in the night. That's where I am. -facedesk- | ||
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Acro: "Palmar wanting to lynch sent is more likely to find scum than HF who wants to lynch Oats who I want to lynch." rofl >< | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:20 Fecalfeast wrote: vote fecalfeast for mayor shouldn't you be voting me? | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:39 Acrofales wrote: Given that I want to lynch Oats, I don't want to vote HF to mayor kill him. It defeats the purpose. Sure, but in your world one of those two players has found scum. Yet you think the one who hasn't is the more likely to? | ||
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Palmar's likely mafia tho, so there's that. Would make you right. He probably can find scum xP Pft. It's annoying that this sort of thing town can think cause people on this site are so good ol' boys club. | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote: @sen, I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone. So here we go, The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid. However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum. He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y. There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on. I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing. However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case. This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying. | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:54 Acrofales wrote: He's no less townie than HF. ROFL | ||
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On March 04 2019 06:58 Damdred wrote: Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:01 Damdred wrote: Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary. I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^ But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol >< | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:03 Damdred wrote: HF, RS, FF,Iamp can be the strong start of a town circle, and sents posts have been overall excellent so I would say hes town as well. So 6 people is a good start so far. Let's contknue. please be town ;o; can townies count? | ||
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+1 tbf this is just my general policy ^^ | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:08 Damdred wrote: Typical situation I afk for a day of game and you read me red. But just because you think I'm red dont ignore me, I think chez is probably sorts town from his earlier posting. I think that a happy playful chez=town and a sort of angry lazy chez is scum. I am getting much happier vibes and playfulness from him and is being serious as well. At least early game. It's a bit of a meh read but I think he doesnt deserve to be in the group. Mz I'll have to read but idk about that. Never ignore you boo. Even when you're scum. Maybe especially then xP But really it was you weren't approaching the game the way I know you like to, but now you've started without prompting and you're doing that other thing so we're all good. Mmm...I'm kinda just sitting on Chez to see what he does from here anyway. I'll trust your FF read since it doesn't majorly contradict my shit FF read. | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:12 iamperfection wrote: cant tell if exo being ultra bad or ultra scum I was mostly joking but vig shot is appropriate. He can play as town and if he is town here he's choosing not to. | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:22 Rels wrote: me too. He's popping once in a while to say nothing. His one post that contains something serious is also pretty bad, how Conversion is town because it's an early game wagon Lol >< I know this is ironic but you playing D1 is skeezing me out, and though I think I'm obv town I also know I look a bit like a looney toon on crack so I'm not sure why you'd be top towning me in this crowd which I presume is the reason you're voting me mayor? But I'm gonna ignore that as a later in the game concern. Anyone else on Wave? Like I don't really remember ever being so great at reading him or anything and I think he's kinda blah like this as town sometimes but maybe not to this extent idk >< | ||
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i'm cool lynching into my group of 8 (maybe not chez) with wave instead of damdred, i'm happy to mayor whoever is going to beat palmar out of my town circle (prob hf or iam), and will consolidate with my townreads onto anyone who isn't another townread if it comes down to it tomorrow note to self and others, mz /and/ conv are worth another look, too, keep forgetting conv | ||
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On March 04 2019 10:46 Grackaroni wrote: Standouts from Meapak's spreadsheet: Meapak/me/Mr. Wiggles are the only ones purely being scum read. Feelsbadman. Holyflare has a sea of town reads with Rayn as the only person reading him as mafia in the middle. Ticktocks' reads are very strange. Town read on Sicklucker as honest and engaged, the only town read on Damdred who is very widely scum read. Tbf just a quick look at what he had of my reads unless I'm the exception he's not keeping up with changes -shrugs- and either way it said nothing about his stance so I got bored | ||
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On March 04 2019 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote: My weakness is I often tie people's alignments to their reads of me but I can't help but be curious. Stuff like rsoul's read of me makes me lean scum on her because it feels like a massive cop-out when I know she's way more capable and at the very least could have taken the bad=scum route or formulated some opinion on my lacklustre performance thus far. It's real easy. -amused- I'm really not responsible for your lack of reading comprehension. Maybe responsible for being a scattered poster with a chipmunk memory, but that's another thing. The number of people who either don't (or pretend they don't, as the case was last time I remember) get when I say I 'don't like' someone and put them in my lynch list that that's a scumread is kinda staggering. But carry on boyo. I'm not hating your focus on how people are reading you. | ||
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On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point? Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point. HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory. It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town. And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So. | ||
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On March 04 2019 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I will look at Trfel now. Something someone wrote recently (you?) struck a chord in that I remember him having a ridiculous (scum?)game or at the very least him having been very skilled in some form or another so maybe seeing him perform less adequately makes him more likely to be scum? Not really sure. Meta probably isn't a great idea in this game (and let's be real honest, isn't usually a great idea at all) but we all do it, so it's worth looking into. Mayor atm is Palmar but he's fucked off for a while and Sentinel should no longer be mayor lynch so that could very easily change depending on what he does. Wouldn't vote Oats atm, probably not Sentinel, haven't looked with any detial into Acro but probably should given the wagon on him and the high profile names involved. I will never vote HF into a position of power because I will basically never trust him in any given game. Dude lol >< you and truffle had a killer scum game together you forget that? | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Disagree with your points on HF entirely. HF is a free spirit and does more or less whatever the fuck he pleases as either alignment. Kinda like me :D You can disagree. I'm not going to believe someone has a better read on him than me until they can prove it, though, cause my track record's actually pretty decent. Especially not from someone who claims to never be able to read him. | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Strangely ironic that when I first read your post I bristled at being told I had a chipmunk memory, but if reading comprehension doesn't fail me (and maybe evidently, it does?) you were talking about yourself? lol Fair point I guess but the larger point still stands---if you are calling me scum, you're doing it based on nothing other than how 'blah' I'm being? And I still don't buy you not being great at reading me. Historically, you have been barring I think our first couple games together. -shrugs- Maybe I was I really don't recall lol I don't even remember if you were the one Palmar kept trying to convince me was scum in the Noir game Artanis threw a fit in where I needed to be hit between the eyes with it before I just sheepled a Palmar days later. Actually yeah I'm pretty sure that's you. But regardless, I don't think it matters. You can believe or not that I don't remember how to read you no skin off my back. The purpose of my post was 1) objectively don't like the sniping without really saying anything and 2) getting others' opinions on it because I think you're not much of a poster anyway. (Again with the caveat that I don't really remember.) Anyway! If you want to talk about something else we can cause this is getting circular and I read people better when they're not talking about me. | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:24 Acrofales wrote: I mostly agree with you. Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one... I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else. | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote: @Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent? Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch. I think Palmar is scum. I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:35 ExO_ wrote: "He's got this organic thing down" What the fuck is that supposed to mean? He's mostly posted a sentence or two, has about 2 posts with more than that. And the fact that you think his town because his posts look organic is super wtf to me. -shrugs- I tend to think people who are fluidly changing opinions and reacting to changes in the thread are more likely town. Reading his filter is not likely to give you a good idea of what I'm talking about. Mafia has to think an extra step before posting to decide what things look like or if they want to pursue a scum/town read or whatever so they come off a bit more stiff/unnatural. Also it's probably projecting cause fluidity is one of the things I still can't get right in my own scum game lol >< | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:39 ExO_ wrote: So then following this, if Palmar is scum: What does his pushing on Sent say? Is it a random policy lynch or is there more to it? What does his town read on acro mean? Don't know and don't care? Palmar is capable of pushing or reading people any which way if he's scum, so why is this a thing for you? Independently I think sent seems okay, certainly enough to warrant not lynching him d1. And acro is someone I need to look at again cause I've seen things I both like and don't like. I don't feel strongly enough on him to not lynch him though so there's that. | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Careful because this isn't necessarily true. HF is a great example. Not as hard to do as scum as you'd think. I mean you're not wrong. It's still a general thing I use in a vacuum. | ||
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On March 04 2019 16:50 ExO_ wrote: Seems important to care to me -- the reason I think he's scummy is precisely because he's hyper focused on this policy lynch and seemingly just always comes back to it. Town Reads everyone else. I think I'd favor a Palmar lynch day 1 over Acro -- and I think giving Palmar mayor based on his day 1 posting is a mistake. Why the Vote for Holy Flare Mayor? HF wants to kill Acro, you don't have a read on Acro according to you just now. So why HF for mayor if you don't agree with who he wants to kill? HF is a townread who wants to kill a null read (on my lynch list for townreads scumreading him) who another town read (Iam) wants to kill. Palmar's a scumread who wants to kill someone I don't want to kill. | ||
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Dude, if you're town, you always just end up scumreading me cause that's what you do. I mean you're the idiot who claimed I was godfather cause you got a green check on me when I claimed blue. I don't mind discussing when I have more time if that'll help me get a read on you/you solidify your reads but lol >< I'm not interested in trying to prove my innocence to someone who already knows or is just too daft to ever realize it anyway I'd say no offence intended but...just don't trust you to ever get it right | ||
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On March 05 2019 04:27 iamperfection wrote: I have to think May have missed it cause I was skimming, but do you still think Acro is mafia? Cause if so I think you're wrong. | ||
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On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town. ##Mayor Palmar :/ you feel off this game to me. there was a glimmer of truffledom and now it's gone again. you're not doing the truffle waffle | ||
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On March 05 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote: It's not my choice of targets? I can choose between [UoN]Sentinel and Palmar, I'm confident I much prefer [UoN]Sentinel, no need to waffle. If I was the mayor myself I'd probably go with Fecalfeast or maybe sicklucker. You're townreading Fecalfeast off of tone, right? yeah it's mostly just him doing whatever the fuck and pointing out some things i agreed with at the time + damdy is usually pretty good at reading him and thinks he's town (though i think his read on him gets better later?) | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:01 rsoultin wrote: yeah it's mostly just him doing whatever the fuck and pointing out some things i agreed with at the time + damdy is usually pretty good at reading him and thinks he's town (though i think his read on him gets better later?) ftr the truffle waffle is not usually dependent on other wagons unless my memory has really gone to shit | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker If only because I've been busy with interviews as well ??? That's completely not my take. | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:07 Trfel wrote: That's not one of my stronger scumreads. That's the best of limited options. Would you be willing to take another look? I don't actually feel like he's been pointing things out at all, just been repeating reads that others have already made, he hasn't been sharing his own thoughts. As far as the rest of it goes, he's really just been asking to be mayor, after the early portion of the game anyway. He's gotten worse as the game goes on in that regard. I'll agree that his early game looks better than his late game, and there are less reads there than I remember but I don't think he's more likely to be scum than say conv, LS or you. His chez read was where my head was at and I randomly like his read on me in his list post lol >< | ||
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Dude, there's four hours. I'm fine voting BH but let me do my thing. You're annoying me and you didn't even have the courtesy of answering my question -_- | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:17 Blazinghand wrote: iamp is mostly doing this to avoid playing, and is trying to claim it's something other than a policy lynch for unclear reasons. I'm still chewing on whether or not he's just bad or he's actually scum who just wants to say "hey who could blame me for this?" when it all plays out. given that it's iamp, both are perfectly plausible. Aren't you the one encouraging people to lynch you? Lol, if you're gonna throw shade at least committ. | ||
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Hi town Koshi. I'm going to ignore you now -blows kiss- | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:32 Koshi wrote: Yes. It is. The great Kushmast4 once said he only played mafia so he could see people type his name. I devolved to the same over time. Lol you're an idiot. I haven't been here since right before your slow ass noticed this game started. | ||
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-squints at- Is your issue my townreading you? Cause that's just me being baller and you being an easy townread. If it's thinking I just started playing then you're a dolt. But either way it doesn't matter cause mafia will deal with me long before you get a lynch off if you stay stupid, so carry on my wayward soul. | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:33 rsoultin wrote: I'm actually really down with murdering tube right now. Like I don't really like the fact that tube is conv's main (perhaps only?) sort of wishy-washy scumread but there's just absolutely nothing whatsoever there for tube but question after question after question before landing on acro for blah reasons that I've literally forgotten after just reading his filter lol >< ^ This though. Way more relevant than koshi dumb. | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote: When did tube go for Acro? Only saw the trfl push, which was a solo thing at first but picking up more steam now Nah, you're right I'm just gonna blame doing three things at once. It was trfl, not acro. On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play. ^ This post in particular gets me cause he says he's scumreading trfel earlier. Feels like an easy way to back off if truffle comes back. | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Definite lack of commitment from tube in the early game What do you think of trfel? That's what's throwing me off, because I'm not liking them too much either. Lol I know >< but actually I don't think it couldn't be scum/scum given Tube's pretty nothing presence and that easy out. Feels like it could be a soft buss plus he already pre-orchestrated justification for a vote on conv Also, after going back through Grack's filter, I feel even better about Oats. Grack's kinda meh but not in a way that makes me feel like he's a priority lynch. What's interesting is how few people have called him out given how meh he is. Also gonna shelf MZ, partly cause his thing in the conv exchange was pretty okay on review of his filter and I think that got blown up. | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:07 Koshi wrote: Lynch Tfrel. Gives us info and he is unworthy. Gogogogo I'm on board with this lol >< (now watch Koshi jump off like a hot potato cause he's bad) | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Maybe, I’m not sure why she’s waffling on grack and using that to read me Grack's filter is just very nullish, but I like that you're picking up on someone others are ignoring. Tbf I thought your filter looked townish before I started reading grack. | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:19 Oatsmaster wrote: How is his filter nullish? Also you mayorvoted someone else at the start of the game. Scummmy There's a couple things i like in it. Including noting all these 'vote to play' things tubesock did. And while I genuinely dislike the whole reveal nonsense it seems like something a town player might get stubborn about over a mafia player. Most of his filter is zzz though. | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:27 Ace wrote: If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar? I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him. | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:29 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah that point was okay but what does he do with it? There’s no motivation he has to actually like commit to anything. The reveal nonsense was super non-alignment indicative I agree he could be mafia and wouldn't mind lynching him? I think no one talking about him really is a stronger point against him than this though, since it only got me to a null read in the first place. | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:31 Holyflare wrote: Can I be unbad now or will you never admit that? Maybe you'll get lucky and he'll admit that before he admits that I'm just actually good enough to townread him when he's being towny -snorts- | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:43 darthfoley wrote: I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon. Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers. We should be voting HF or Iamp as mayor imo >> No. Not we should be voting HF or Iamp. We should choose HF or Iamp to vote and stop spreading them like tards. | ||
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I prefer an HF who lynches a Palmar -shrugs- I realize others may not have as strong a townread on HF or may be too lily-livered to take a shot at Palmar though (or just somehow think he's town). Most important we consolidate. | ||
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On March 05 2019 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ftr sorry HF i think i overreacted and i dont think youre mafia. But i dont like stuff that is not true on me. Also i always talk through people when i think they are mafia or id i think the conversation wont help either party. I didnt overreact on rsoultin. Regardless of what i say she wont change her read because her read is not based on not what i actually write, and i read her town, so no discussion is going to be productive. Or she is mafia, but i dont believe it. These sorts of posts are why I hope you're mafia, actually. It's irritating as shit when you actively ignore me because I 'won't change my read'. I think if anything can be said of my play it's that I'm not a fucking mindless bulldog, and it's not as if I can even remember a game where I've tunneled the shit out of you when you were either alignment without reconsidering new information. But whatever. Behaving this way will make it difficult for me to see you as town if you are. And if you are, well, I'm really just sad that we apparently can't play this game together anymore and you know what...it's really not because of me. | ||
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On March 05 2019 07:29 Palmar wrote: rsoultin may be mafia. Depends on what you think of LS, really. Maybe it's me who's got an outdated view of LS, but I actually thought he was genuinely frustrated. However rsoultin seems to have taken an oppsite stance. The fact that you're basing your entire read on me off of how I read LS is definitely one of the negative points against you, though it's by far not one of the biggest ones. | ||
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Lol >< I'm not mocsta sweetpea -shoos- | ||
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On March 05 2019 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look your mafia read on me is purely because you somehow want me to be mafia enough to wanting to lyncg me here. While simultaneously scumreading just about everyone i scumread and sheeping my original read on Palmar. So excuse me but i find it very hard to believe what you say is what you tgink deep inside. Maybe youre even lying to yourself. I see no purpose for this post except to tilt me. So I'm going to stop this here and you can go back to pretending I don't exist, though I'd ask you to stop making the sideways snipes and confine your comments to posts about my alignment. Good luck. | ||
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On March 05 2019 07:44 Palmar wrote: yo rsoultin. Do you think HF is mafia? No | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:32 Trfel wrote: STILL NO ONE HAS SAID A SINGLE THING TO ME NOT ONE EXPLANATION OF WHY I AM MAFIA NOT ONE QUESTION NOTHING Do you realize what is happening? If I'm lynched, fine, whatever, but someone acknowledge my existence please! You've been way too confident on your reads for me and it seems convenient where you ended up but fuck me if I'm not being a sucker :/ | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:38 Trfel wrote: Too convenient? As in, scumreading someone that no one else is trying to push (Fecalfeasat) and someone that only one person wants dead ([UoN]Sentinel)? I don't understand how that's convenient. Both have been active and present in the game, they're hardly lurkers. Sent was who Palmar was going to mayor lynch so yes. Convenient. But the way too confident statement was the more salient one, and I know you know what I mean. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:39 LightningStrike wrote: Tfrel lynch Tina with me? You'll never get that, bud. | ||
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On March 05 2019 09:39 iamperfection wrote: wtf is a backup town cop for when we lynch the cop? xD | ||
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idk if bh is scum or not. i'm afraid he's town but i don't think it matters cause i think we need to know his alignment as far as wave's comment, i wasn't waffling on palmar when i should have been cause i'm a baddy. i didn't like how he moved off of bh when i was thinking truffle was town cause i didn't want truffle to get lynched. i don't know how he interprets that as backing off my palmar read but tbh i don't think it matters cause wavering on palmar if i had done that wouldn't make me any less town anyway ls is town. i want to bite his head off but he's town -_- i think if we have a bh town flip people like onegu and rels need to get a really hard look, especially rels. and rayn might be town but i cba to look deeper right now and it'll just piss me off anyway | ||
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wiggles is also very flat in a way that could be mafia. merits another look when i can be bothered tt i want to be town just cause that's one of the kindest ways to tr me i've ever read but i'm frankly fighting paranoia with people who are townreading me so putting him with wiggles for a read-through don't agree with hf on acro. i see hf's viewpoint cause it's totally only seeing the game from town!hf since if mafia's scum how would killing palmar be dumb? but i also think that level of ragey at two blue flips would be hard to do as scum | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:15 Chezinu wrote: rsoultin, How do you know someone's role in this game? How do you personally discern? are you asking how i make reads, or...? cause if it's how i make reads it's more interaction/feels/experience based and kind of hard to describe in general terms. after flips i get better cause i can compare what people do to what they said and see if it lines up | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: He's a dick, probably did that on purpose without having a scumread on Trfel. And marv is town. You'd be surprised. I remember a maybe 30 page long shouting match with Acro when we were both mafia and noone ever believed it. okay, i'll reread acro anyway cause if what you said is even remotely born out in his filter that's way stronger than my feels on how ragey a mafioso would be in that position | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:22 Chezinu wrote: I'm a reactionary reader. I get better reads on those I interact with. okay, well, i'm fine with talking to you more? but i don't really have anything to talk to you about unless you have comments on what i've been posting so...yeah | ||
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also, rayn, you may be right on mz being scum and sent being town and thus mz knowing sent's alignment, but i don't think the bolded sentence means anything if i'm understanding where you're going right? that's a pretty normal english construction | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:38 rsoultin wrote: actually yeah i'm a numbnuts if bh is town like i suspect conv is probably never scum here anyway even though i'd rather have kept a truffle blue role or not lol >< i'm doing the stupid right now on not enough sleep. gonna shower and probably come back to all this later in the day also, rayn, you may be right on mz being scum and sent being town and thus mz knowing sent's alignment, but i don't think the bolded sentence means anything if i'm understanding where you're going right? that's a pretty normal english construction disregard this. i'd like an answer from mz, too, if maybe for different reasons | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean it's a pretty normal english construction that he asks what Sentinel gains as town when he (Sentinel) doesn't know he is town? Damn your language... lol >< no you're right and i'm braindead today carry on | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nah it's okay there aren't really any answer except that he brainfarted his alignment and twisted his sentence there. Yeah, I see it. The logic's there for the opposite so you're thinking slip. | ||
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On March 05 2019 17:53 Acrofales wrote: He wouldn't. But he might be getting coached simply by scum bandying words around. But he just knew way more than he could get from coaching and his explanation was fine, as you might have noticed as I dropped it after he explained. Now go die, scum. Team scum: Wiggles (Palmar case + votes) Sentinel (Palmar case + trfel case + votes) Holyflare (not dumb enough to kill Palmar as town) Pretty sure: Rayn (did nothing all day. Town rayn would be telling people how dumb they are and be raging at HF. Instead, he is here to tell me I'm scum for thinking Palmar is town. Wtf? Nice omgus) Probably: MZ (did nothing all day, but was instantly around after flip) Damdred (same) BC (sheeping Palmar) Marv (last minute vote switch) Maybe: Fecalfeast (trfel thought he was scum) BH (martyring :/ ) 100% absent and useless: Onegu Rels -squints at- this seems like a very 'other people said' sort of list to me which is less true taken as a whole and more true if you look at the top scumspects lots of sheeples and shallow also i find it curious that you just tack on oneg and rels at the end when i'm fairly sure they're not the only ones in that category and they're ones i have actual reasons to scumread. worth noting if you ever flip scum | ||
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On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else. My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second. That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip. | ||
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On March 05 2019 18:05 Jockmcplop wrote: This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently? Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs). I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol >< | ||
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On March 05 2019 18:09 Acrofales wrote: Name one other person with a 1-page filter that wasn't replaced. If they're not 1-page there are several who are damn close. Nice strawman. | ||
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On March 05 2019 18:18 Acrofales wrote: My maybe list above is bad. BH is probably a VT. And if he is, I think his calmer analysis of conversion might make sense. I did like how Marv immediately entered the thread as if he was excited to play. As scum there'd be no urgency and he'd slum it with his homies in the QT, acting as if he wasn't around before being forced to make an appearance here today. His mere presence makes him more townie. Also, @rsoul: sheeping Palmar to victory is a fantastic strategy that I'll happily follow. doesn't strike me as any less lazy just because palmar's name is shiny | ||
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@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone | ||
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On March 05 2019 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: See tina, here's what bugs me about your "thing" on me this game.+ Show Spoiler + It doesn't matter what the actual content is, here you just blindly believed HF on D1 because he was talking how you would expect him to talk as some alignment -- while just about everything he said about me was factually incorrect. It's very easy to come up with some nonsense allegedly mafia-traits and apply them to people's posts without actually thinking if it makes the person mafia or not. Just because me talking through people (you) annoys you doesn't make me mafia because that's what i do when i get annoyed. Holyflare maybe 80% legit thinks it makes me mafia but apparently he doesn't remember one game past unless it's something he wants to remember. Also i was never ever trying to be dick towards you. Please go read your scumread on me and actually think about what it says and what can i ever say about it in case i am town. Like i used the sentence "Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell?" ... You took that personally and that's not what my intention was. Since the game Holyflare hosted and i lost after playing (or at least trying) more than i ever have as scum i have changed my game a looooot, not because you caught or "caught" me D1 and i had to bus JAT, but because i started thinking how to actually play against other players as mafia. I try to say things the people i am talking to want to hear. It's not just you who i am "playing against" (referring to our conversation some years ago you cited), it's whoever i am playing against. And i try to do it as i would imo do it as town, when i am talking to them. That's why i think it's really bs to try to tonally see the difference because there usually isn't (i think you've proved it already). Also it is bs because there is no way for me to answer it in any way, other than basically "fuck you". + Show Spoiler + I appreciate you taking the time to address this. In my rsoul-oriented world I noticed you doing it to me and not you doing it to other people, which is why my focus was there. It's not BS because nothing the fuck I say when I'm town is BS and you should know that, so when you townread me and then say that (and this is probably a language barrier issue where you're saying I'm wrong in hindsight) it makes me think you're trying to wind me up. Nor do I think it's your fault that I get upset with you all the time, not really. We're cool. I may not play with you again because I let you get to me too much but we're cool outside of mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote: At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was. -squints at- are you referring to the thing he said right at deadline cause that negates my point not at all for everyone who was voting HF for mayor. i missed it if he said anything like that earlier | ||
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Okay...?? Maybe I'm brain dead but doesn't that say he's still lynching palmar lol >< there's what, less than a minute between those posts? I'm asking for something that would reasonably give someone the idea that a vote for HF was not a vote to lynch Palmar for anyone reading the thread. My point is if you voted for HF and read the thread and now are whining that Palmar is dead that's stupid at best and scummy at worst. And I'm kind of bored of this conversation unless you have something real that suggests people have any reasonable reason to doubt HF would go through with it beyond just them to themselves going 'no way HF lynches palmar he must be joking!' cause I didn't see anything like that. | ||
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What's confusing you about my votes? Palmar = scumread Holyflare = townread truffle = scumread, then his return feels townie = vote leading other wagon BH = think he'll probably flip town too call for shennanies on Oneg So, where are you getting lost exactly? | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Neither of those things are why I want HF dead, btw. Good for you? I was asked my HF read -shoos- | ||
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On March 05 2019 23:22 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm not lost, I'm suspicious. It was explained in an exchange before about you jumping ship away from trfel at the last moment on a 'feeling', which you simultaneously decided was because you had been duped. What changed your vote iirc wasn't trfel's return directly but another player's suggestion (i think hf) that trfel was townie. It was a following move which seemed in anticipation of something, or because of group alignment rather than a read. Ah, so wifomy nonsense where you assume my motive is one thing and then create a narrative. Carry on. | ||
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On March 05 2019 23:38 Jockmcplop wrote: mmhmmm. I can perfectly well understand suddenly having a feeling like that a crucial moment in a vote, it happens, but it seems a little out of character when all of your other reads were explainable using facts, or a user's posts. lolwut? | ||
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@mocsta do you remember me doing that? i really didn't want to redo the footwork haven't talked much about mocsta up to this point cause i have a vague shadowy recollection that he seemed more on the ball as scum than town but it's based on worse than nothing | ||
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On March 05 2019 23:45 rsoultin wrote: in other news i really thought i did a deep dive on mocsta that took hours and hours in a previous game but now i'm thinking maybe it was damerion while mocsta was scum with him and my chipmunk brain has struck again -_- @mocsta do you remember me doing that? i really didn't want to redo the footwork haven't talked much about mocsta up to this point cause i have a vague shadowy recollection that he seemed more on the ball as scum than town but it's based on worse than nothing yeah forget this hf's case is good and at least if i'm going by the game mocsta/damerion were scum i'm shit at reading mocsta anyway so pfft at vague shadowy recollections well don't completely forget this. if i did a dive that you recall and am not chipmunking i'd still like to dig it back up o.0 | ||
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On March 05 2019 23:51 Holyflare wrote: so that's a good reason to ignore the case or saying anything about it? noooo that's a good reason to go look up what i did to compare to your case which i looked at after not being able to find it -flicks- | ||
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On March 05 2019 23:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Remember I only have this game to go on. Buuuut. Looking through your filter, every time you have town read someone you have quoted something they have posted and given a reason why that post makes you town read them. Usually this process makes sense but then with trfel we get this: I don't know what this post is at all. Unless I'm literally reading your words wrong, you're giving a reason why you should lynch trfel whilst changing your vote. This isn't a town read. And then that happened and it just seems weird to me. okay. i can see why that might confuse you. it was like 2 mins or something to deadline and i was focused on things more important than quoting and explaining shit but you can't know that or my motivations -shrugs- | ||
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On March 05 2019 23:56 rsoultin wrote: okay. i can see why that might confuse you. it was like 2 mins or something to deadline and i was focused on things more important than quoting and explaining shit but you can't know that or my motivations -shrugs- i should really read things fully before i respond. i was telling him why i'd scumread him :/ and i still believed those valid but felt he was town, so it came down to choosing whether my original reasons were stronger or the feels were. i went with feels and yes that's partly cause he would have been around to evaluate later and partly just cause i'm more susceptible to doubts near EoD anyway >< truffle is a player who waffles a lot on his reads. on the one hand, on the other hand, these are points against them, and these are for, and ultimately i think he falls on this or that side. i'm not used to this apparenltly new? version of him where he's stating his reads more confidently. so | ||
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On March 06 2019 00:07 iamperfection wrote: Why are you defending yourself so much? lol should i defend my defending? xP i'd call it explaining where my head was at since it was called 'unexplainable' but you do you | ||
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Acro is dumb regardless of alignment. Oats is town. Viva could be scum. Koshi is town. Damdred is town. BC is probably scum. Chez is Chez. Slam is town. FF is townish. Jock is town. BH/HF and marv who you idiots might derp into lynching cause critical thinking is a rare commodity are probably all town. LS is town. Grack is probably scum. Sent probably still town. TT townish. TW townish. ExO who the fuck knows. Scummish. Mocsta scum. Onegu scummish. Oh, Ace, Ace can be scum, too. Iamp townish. Hmmm I don't remember anyone else and I'm not counting. So they might be scum. Or I might have towned them too hard to be considering them. \o/ | ||
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On March 06 2019 03:56 Rels wrote: I'm pretty sure you will change your read on me before too long Perhaps. I'd be happy if you did -shrugs- | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:02 iamperfection wrote: You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... . Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread. | ||
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On March 06 2019 03:59 Rels wrote: why is Damdred town? Town circle building + whiny though he hates it when I call him whiny. | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:08 Rels wrote: what about him ejecting LS from his town circle? Idk why that would be significant? Contrary to LS's opinion, it is possible for people who know him to scumread him for flitting throughout the thread with no real suspicions of any sort. Damdred still didn't want to lynch him and it seemed like he was doubting more than actively scumreading -shrugs- I think that a scum Damdred probably wouldn't waffle on LS's alignment at all, ftr, since he's 'known' for being able to read him | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote: I'm scared that their could be multiple active scum yes . There probably are. But Mr. Aggressive here suddenly gets all pussy-footy with me. Bring it on boy. I'm seeing how many scumreads I can rack up before the night is out \o/ | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote: I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief. You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic. l2r | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:17 Blazinghand wrote: I've actually been playing a bit now! But also, yes, please kill me vigi, pls pls pls pls Dun worry bae | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:14 marvellosity wrote: Maybe, but it's why I'd love just to see an HF flip Came into the thread thinking the Palmar shot had to come from mafia (and still could be), but it bugs me that Palmar didn't want to kill him and nor does rayn (I don't see any particular reason for rayn to defend him as mafia - although I don't think rayn is from what I've seen) Rayn's not. Made me cry. Town Rayn. 100% accurate read until it's not xD | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:24 Vivax wrote: Can't believe I was doubting rayn for my previous shitty reasons. Suddenly his filter looks very much town. See? 100% read is win. | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:29 Blazinghand wrote: ok so is iamp actually town or what, he spent the last couple hours yelling about killing me but not writing any convincing cases. was he just extremely mad and ineffective? Normally I'd just write a case calling him scum but it's a lot of effort and i'm tired Probably yes. He thinks he's clever. | ||
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wanting to claim credit for things that just weren't him (he was involved but not to the degree he imagines) but totally matches his pride and his irritation with HF is town | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:38 Holyflare wrote: what the fuck does that mean he'd only be irritated with me if I was town and he thinks I'm mafia because no way I'd ever do that as town frustration may be the better word -shrugs- i'm not a lawyer. frustrated with the idea that you'll probably slip through anyway cause he can never get you lynched = town sl i'd betcha betcha betcha and it's not meant to be convincing @marv | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:44 Holyflare wrote: Every time I've done something anti town and SL has whined about it in this fashion I've been lynched in about 10/10 of those games and also been town. Why would he be frustrated when he's got what he wants every time? It's not a matter of what's logical. It's a matter of feeling. I know that HF is scum and I can't get people to lynch him feels. No reason for him to have that as scum -shrugs- | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes this is the 100% correct vigi shot. Everyone can lynch holyflare tomorrow but always shoot BH. READING COMPREHENSION EXISTS <3 | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:50 marvellosity wrote: you really don't think it's in his mafia range to fake that? because I do -shrugs- possible? sure. but other things make me feel town on him over scum anyway so i'm going with occam's razor. for example, his approach to the night phase where he likes to try to wifom mafia | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:57 Holyflare wrote: It's full of soft defences, deflections, idle comments, coaching players and no suspicion until he magically comes up with the names Oats and Rayn magically. Then he just starts hopping on wagons for 0 reasons (FF etc). He thought I was scummy eventually and afkd on the conversion wagon instead of really being fearful that I was in the lead even though his read is "so correct" on me (now that I've read, it's seemingly that I left my vote on Exo instead of consolidating but at which point I was meant to consolidate on wagons I didn't like and I wasn't really around to switch to, I have no idea, especially when I started the BH wagon and did actually get people to consolidate but he's still perpetuating it). I do have a blindspot with slam because I like him so it's certainly possible. | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I can't believe I'm asking this, but where is koshi? Not playing says he ^^ | ||
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On March 04 2019 07:16 rsoultin wrote: I'm not liking wave this game for reasons I can't describe other than he seems like one of those old vulture headed muppets in the peanut gallery. ^ Helping you with your circular why is she scumreading me, why isn't she making a stance, yada yada not being able to readness. NOT LIKE = SCUMREAD <- see i'm so helpful | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you really reiterating something I've been off of since 2 days ago? K rsoul, good to see youre nailing your own coffin. Saves me the work. No I'm literally answering the question you asked a few hours ago when I wasn't here ^^ Apparently you don't see the connection. | ||
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On March 06 2019 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok I remember giving her a pass from this explanation earlier but I realize it doesn't actually explain what I want it to She still didn't elaborate on what put me on her list here---I geuss considering her list was supposedly 8 people long here maybe it was just the look of my posting or that something about me felt 'off,' but just why can't seh say so when so many other people had no problem with it? I keep coming back to this and it bothers me so much. As does much of her filter throughout the day where she pokes at people and seems afraid to make reads. Other times she does though so bleargh Still going Now I've helped you -pats- As for Palmar, my read on him was exactly as I said. He wasn't committed to playing weekend OR mostly/completely ignoring it which is totally scum wheelhouse for him. So fight me boi. Also, just because I've been itching to say it, Acro's case of she's scum for scumreading Palmar for other people sheeping Palmar is the most hilariously awful case I've ever seen rofl >< Even worse that it took him so many words to say it and he even tacked on that I was hypocritical for sheeping Palmar before and scumreading Palmar for being sheeped. What sort of derpy dumb dumb logic is that? xD | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I see you're answering a question I directed at nobody, and to quite you yourself, reading comprehension. I don't say it had anything to do with you saying 'not like', I say it's because you don't elaborate. Keep reading though. It gets juicy. I think you'll like it. Sorry, I read it once and it didn't matter because I'm town so bored zzz | ||
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Yup literally. And you know how much I give a shit? ... ... 0! | ||
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No worries, no one's listening to me. Well, marv, but it is 'unconvincing' ^^ | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:22 rsoultin wrote: Yup literally. And you know how much I give a shit? ... ... 0! Well not actually literally it to be fair but it's an adequate summary. | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote: I know you think your flippant attitude comes off as town but it doesn't. Where do you say this is scum wheelhouse? You talk about how you hate how much support he's gotten. Not about how Palmar not playing is scummy. If this is another reading comprehension thing, maybe you should just start posting better. You're right. I do tend to be unclear when I explain my feels. Palmar-y = like Palmar = town. Thus not Palmar-y is not town. And maybe I should be more clear spelling things out -shrugs- | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: And, like HF, I refuse to believe you are that terrible. You are one of very few people who have flat out caught me as scum. In your damn signature, a quote from Lord Marvellosity himself: "rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015) That isn't you in this game. Lol I still don't know what game you're referring to >< Look, I'm not going to sit here and pretend to you or anyone that my read wasn't much more than feels cause it wasn't. Palmar wasn't engaged in the thread the way I associate with a town Palmar and the one I'm familiar with is the one who doesn't care and kinda does tone things with early posts and stuff. So you add that in with what I've already said and some of his reads particularly the one on me like somehow my LS read has any bearing on my alignment and yes...then throw in other people also thinking he's scum (HF-who I did and still do have as one of my top townreads) and that's where I land. | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:40 marvellosity wrote: you see, I do struggle with this. the mafia motivation for killing Palmar is so huge and HF has the balls. That alone should remove him from being a top townread even if you townread him for other reasons. I will never claim that I can't be wrong on HF's alignment. But I can't remember the last time we've been opposite alignments and we haven't gotten into a massive drawn-out shitfight. Years. He has had multiple opportunities to just bury people and shit up the thread arguing till he's blue in the face and he de-escalates even when others continue to throw shit. The rayn episode is the one that comes most readily to mind. You tell me but Tina don't you think he'd lynch Palmar as scum? Yes. Of course I know he's that brazen. Which to me brings lynching Palmar and Palmar flipping green to a flat null. I don't really understand why people think that Palmar being town makes HF scum. My read is based on everything else not someone thinking the same person I thought was scum was scum and being wrong. Like is there some reason that you think HF wouldn't do that as town that makes the flip indicative of alignment? | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Imagine voting Donald Trump because he said he'd build a wall and then getting angry when he tries to build a wall. ROFL >< I almost used this very analogy. So many people were like 'but we didn't think he meant it literally' -snorts- | ||
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On March 06 2019 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean I definitely remember lynching you for something dumb you did in another game, but then maybe it's you who should learn not to do dumb things? Rsoul the point is not HF mafia/HF bad must lynch, it's that the thing HF did is so egregiously anti-town that we can't take the chance that he's not scum,especially knowing what HF is capable of. The 'bad' part is icing Hf dug his own grave here and he has no one to blame but himself, whether you want to call it his meta or purely in this game alone Yeah I'm sorry. This sort of argument is never going to be one that resonates with me. I just want to win the game. I think a town HF alive is almost always a net benefit and I sure as hell am not going to waste a day lynching him when I think he's town just to satisfy everyone else's fears. I also don't want to waste a day lynching BH, tbf. But at least in his case I don't see him adding much as town and even though I do think he's probably town, there's a higher chance in my mind of my just being wrong about that. So you guys do you but count me out. | ||
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If for some reason the rsoul doesn't survive the night which I'd be surprised but stranger things have happened the reads since coming back are all legit my opinion. Most will be explained in my filter somewhere. Though I don't expect people to heed them and maybe they shouldn't either so there's that. Ciao folks. Have fun. | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:51 rsoultin wrote: -rolls around the thread like a demented potato- So did viva really shoot Marv hard claim? Cause all three of those were pretty town for me and could easily all be mafia kp lol >< | ||
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On March 06 2019 16:02 Mocsta wrote: For those that cant be bothered reading my stream on Ace. Heres an interesting tease about Ace voting Koshi. I would love to hear this one explained.... Is this a scumslip? WHO PRODDED ACE THAT HE DIDNT HAVE A VOTE?!?!?!? Everyone with no vote 4 hrs in got a prod. | ||
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On March 06 2019 16:13 Mocsta wrote: fine. luckily the case is not predicated on that point. thoughts tina? Lol on phone and have a purring puss in my lap. Let me get breakfast and to my comp first. | ||
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On March 06 2019 16:29 Alakaslam wrote: Shut up and vote Holyflare, huss- Well shit I probably should not call you hussy Yeah you should already know I'm not doing this lol >< | ||
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On March 06 2019 16:13 Mocsta wrote: fine. luckily the case is not predicated on that point. thoughts tina? I agree with most of your thoughts on his filter, but in particular the detachment and hyper focus only on truffle. I'd have to imagine that if anyone in the scum qt knows truffle they'd have to suspect he was blue given his play (imo) is pretty strong. And I've already said how fucking disingenuous it is to sit there and go oh god HF you lynched Palmar like you said you would almost all day phase! My pre-associative brain wants to weave tube in here. His filter really stood out to me the other day as having nothing whatsoever of interest in it other than a half-hearted truffle push that I originally interpreted as bussing. | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:20 Holyflare wrote: I'm not sure if I believe it myself but I didn't get the reaction I was expecting from vivax which was a bit scummy. So I stopped at your giant associative read post cause it took me like 10 minutes to read through mocsta's shit cause my brain is wandering but if you're not reading viva town why even bother? Isn't that all based off marv being town and viva being town so scum wasn't trying to save bh? | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of reads. Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler + Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote: I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote: Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote: HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote: Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels Town Koshi iamperfection Town-ish tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town. Null Onegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread. Scum-ish Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment. Scum Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750 Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. Rsoultin + Show Spoiler + She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this: You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from. And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote: I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO. Tumblewood + Show Spoiler + This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red. You're probably 0 for 3 so good job lol >< | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of reads. Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler + Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote: I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote: Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote: HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote: Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels Town Koshi iamperfection Town-ish tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town. Null Onegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread. Scum-ish Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment. Scum Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750 Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. Rsoultin + Show Spoiler + She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this: You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from. And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote: I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO. Tumblewood + Show Spoiler + This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red. Wait, hold on, who did HF have a townread on before they'd posted? | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Koshi Oh, you're referring to the confirmed town thing? lol >< yeah that's obviously a joke (even though I missed it at the time cause I didn't read hf's pre-game posts) Yeah then I don't see anything compelling other than maybe I should reread TW which I was gonna do anyway -shoos- | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote: His read that I'm scummy for lynching palmar over sentinel even though I talked about lynching palmar for the past 24 hours. Seems like it's some really stupid mistake for a good mafia player to make. Too scummy to be scum. And his level of investment? Or are you saying he's only good as scum and this detachment should be suspected of 'good player' Ace? | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:51 Holyflare wrote: This is quite possibly the worst narrative post I've ever read lol. You were less likely to get lynched before even posting this :D Oh come now. Acro's case on me was pretty bad too \o/ | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: See, you see it as a joke. I see it otherwise. Besides, it wasnt a pre game post the game had started. If the game is started all posts are relevant. You 'seeing it otherwise' doesn't help your case, boyo. If reads on people can be 'unimportant' then so can posts | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:55 Acrofales wrote: Just because I don't want to kill you today doesn't mean you aren't scum. Also, nice soft defend of your teammate who is bussing you! My role pm means I'm not scum. That and my awesomeness ^^ Who am I defending now? | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:59 Acrofales wrote: BC. HF called him scum for a terrible case. You then implied it wasn't that bad. Sheltering BC from HF's wrath. Why did you guys bring the whole scumQT over to the thread? This is confusing me. -squints at- Calling your case bad is not defending BC. It's like comparing shit to vomit. But my earlier instinct on you was town and until I see something to change my mind I'm just going to put you on ignore. Keep in mind that even the best of players are often wrong and your sniping is not pro-town no matter how right you may think you are . | ||
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Did I ever do a deep dive on you? I thought I did but I can't find it :/ | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:12 Mocsta wrote: I dont recall I think u called me scum n1 though No I mean from an earlier game. There are a few people I dove through several games for and I thought you were one of them. I'm not sure if that's not just Damerion but if you remember I'd really like to find it cause I doubt I'll have the time for anything like that in this monstrosity. I forget what HF said about you that was good N1 but it was good lol >< god I'm getting worse. | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote: My case on you was about something you said that didn't appear in any of the filters i read and also the total disconnect between you voting conversion with palmar (for a really bad case) after just raging at palmar and then having no qualms being on my mayor wagon when I said I'd lynch palmar My read on ace is that he's up to something and the negative points on him are either him not reading the thread or him playing some kind of reaction test. The point i do follow is his koshi vote which was bad. I want to see what he has to say. Oh right that was what it was that was good. | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:18 Mocsta wrote: i dont think u did But u did eat out of my palm I had the mocsta monlogues in qt Pretty much 13months ago My first game in like 5 yrs so not much to deep dive As for hf case on me The inly point of merit was that i agreed with palmar conversion read and was ok for hf to lynch him I still dont see the issue And i didnt go about it like ace did even thoigh superficially it seems similar Ace advocated in his limited posts how important it was to have both candidates etc. And then is ok to lynch both So major difference One cares.. one doesnt It should be apparant to all It was probably the palm-eating that gave me the vague impression your scum game's good. Heaven forbid I be duped by someone who's just shit lol >< I'm going through my own analysis in a second that I put off like a lazy ass hoping to get shot heh Anyone else keep forgetting DF is playing this game? <- makes him prob scum | ||
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On March 06 2019 19:30 Mocsta wrote: Any reasons onegu is town? None that I can see. | ||
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To elaborate, I expect more from him even when he's barely playing as town. He's kinda the guy who comes in with his own thing and it's interesting. At least he was. | ||
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On March 06 2019 20:23 Mocsta wrote: is onegu enoigh to stop u laying a vote on ace? No cause he doesn't give enough for me to be confident on that lol >< | ||
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Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned. I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss. And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest. Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash. | ||
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia. I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler + I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow. *note to self to review acro case during filter dives | ||
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On March 06 2019 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda think FF is town too. Last night i read his filter and it sounded super honest to me. Actually I love FF's filter >< lol. The question wasn't to learn anything about FF's alignment, though I appreciate your weighing in. | ||
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On March 06 2019 21:49 Tubesock wrote: Rsoultin, after you look at my short filter, I’m around for questions if you have them. Although I’m on Africa hotel internet and it may go away for a bit as it tends to do. I see you and I'll let you know if I do. | ||
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On March 06 2019 21:53 Jockmcplop wrote: What do you think of sent? I've just spent half an hour looking through his filter and he hasn't contributed anything new at all in the last few visits. Its not just a case of low activity but its what he's doing (or not doing) when he's active. He's arguing points that have no benefit to town or hedging on his previous reads. Noted. My EoD opinion was he wasn't awful but he hasn't caught my eye since which isn't a good sign. I'll get back to you once I've gotten to him. | ||
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My initial problem with you was how much time you seemed to be spending on your townreads vs. scumreads with pokes that didn't seem to lead anywhere being the rest of your filter. But on a reread it looks better largely cause I can see the read progression on some of the players. Can you please explain your read on Palmar D1 and what made you okay with a Conversion lynch? | ||
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On March 06 2019 23:29 rsoultin wrote: Oh, I'd totally kill them lol >< HF wasn't wrong about that And just to further the WIFOM, whoever I would kill probably wouldn't matter in a large scum team cause I rarely force through my NKs unless everyone's goooone. Anyone who has scummed with me can verify that ^^ | ||
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On March 06 2019 23:35 Tubesock wrote: I didn’t have a Palmar read. He wasn’t doing anything that I could see a mafia not do. Like what you said about HF when he didn’t further antagonize someone and you towned him for it, when if he were mafia he would probably let it go further. It’s a small thing and a subjective thing. These little things when they repeat often enough become a townread. Palmar just wasn’t alive long enough for that to happen for me. I definitely preferred him living and I liked what I saw, but there wasn’t a single thing I saw that mafiaPalmar couldn’t/wouldn’t do. I mean mafiaPalmar generically. I use this metric on most people. I was essentially null on Conversion. There was the nagging feeling he was truthful on his entrance post (scumclaim) and not much of what he said spoke to me. I was primarily townreading Acrofales. Then why the vote early game? | ||
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On March 06 2019 23:58 Tubesock wrote: I also agreed with the vast majority of things HF said. Plus, I laughed a couple times. I mayored him before I towned him. The conversation you two had about what he’d do as mayor made me comfortable enough to vote him. When he first said he’d shoot Palmar, I dived him for a couple hours then towned him. Okay. For clarity, I assume you mean you dived HF? | ||
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Town HF - fluid, clear progression on top of earlier read LS - no red flags to make me change my mind FF - this guy is a joy to read, seems to be having fun and comes to reads before they're cool Townish BH - his thing with Iam while he was asking for lynch I see no mafia motivation for, much less upsetting my BS meter than normal; not above a lean because I have no confidence in reading BH Townleaning-Null Tube - can see some read progression, behavior matches reads, reservation is with lack of a read on palmar and i'm not loving his thread presence Scummish Onegu - the Damdred read can be a sign of the smart hipster glimmer I look for from Onegu, but that it's the only example is concerning and he's not even peripherally weighing in on relevant issues | ||
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On March 07 2019 00:17 Tubesock wrote: Correct. And Palmar didn’t have much but kill Sentinel. I already think you’re town so don’t have much to ask. I’m not sold on LS or Damdy being town. But right now my problem is more I think 20ish people can be scum in this game. Are you sure they’re town or tabling for now because it doesn’t matter compared to HF, Acro, Rayn? LS I'm sure of. I'm not as sure of Damdy as I'd like to be. The things I was townreading him for he did pretty minimally and the whining which is pretty much a sure thing was very subtle, possibly even enough to be a misinterpretation on my part. I still need to poke back through his filter, but given what I remember I don't think it'll be helpful. He's not a priority for me by any means, though, given his lack of activity is not alignment indicative. | ||
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On March 07 2019 00:37 Vivax wrote: Basically all names that are hard defending HF today either by trying to push for lynch bait instead or just hard townreading him, or both. Thought experiment. What if you're wrong on HF? ^^ ib4 he says 'I'm not!' after being wrong on conv and iam(?) | ||
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On March 07 2019 01:03 Acrofales wrote: I do really like what rsoultin is showing today. I have no idea how a scum rsoultin plays today, but she isn't lurking and she isn't blending. She's doing her own thing, reading the thread. My night read on her may be wrong. she has played here a lot. Who can I ask about her meta? I really dislike that it doesn't feel like she was pushing anything, and how she ended up on the kill Palmar wagon. I need some help. If rsoultin can metaread LS so easily, I assume the reverse is true too? @LS: what do you think of rsoultin? From your filter it looks like you scum her, but it isn't clear why. -amused- | ||
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I don't have a way to answer that without being mean, other than to say I never factor his read on me in when reading him lol >< From my experience he usually townreads me until someone else scumreads me, then says something like I think she's town but I worried she fooling me :/ and if the person scumreading me is someone he thinks can read me well he tends to sheep -shrugs- Which is not how it happened this game. But regardless, no, he's not a great judge. Damdred is. Um...I think mocsta caught me when I was scum fairly easy? My scum game has been getting steadily worse. I think DF also has a good thumb on the pulse. HF usually gets suspicious but advocates not lynching me early. Was it HF reading Tictock scum? Cause frankly I'm not seeing it even being cautious not to be biased in the favor of the guy who literally posted the nicest way to read me I've ever seen lol >< What's the argument? | ||
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Lol >< maybe not 100% accurate but damn close | ||
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On March 07 2019 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Rsoul. Vote. Where. -shoos- Color me scum but I'd rather finish my analysis first plzthx | ||
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On March 07 2019 02:22 rsoultin wrote: @tictock Please clarify for me your MZ/Grack reads since start of game. | ||
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On March 07 2019 02:35 Tictock wrote: I haven't read anything new from them, so not sure what you expect. Meap jumped at at me initially for being pretty blendy and seemed more like he was posting to look like he was doing things rather than actually trying to do things. I have seen extremely little of Grack, and I don't get where his head is at at all from what posts I have seen. Since I recall being able to townread him extremely easily in the "Bastard Hosts game" (forget the actual name), where Grack-Darth-I got basically Mason'd for forming a town circle, this Grack feels very off to me. Just get the vibe he is clunky and unsure of how to approach the game, which suggest scum to me. Hmm, okay, then I do have an issue with you. Your approach to the game where you just spewed thoughts I was a fan of, and I like some of your comments even though there were several I disagreed with, but Grack you'd barely commented on despite talking about lynching him and it feels like you forgot MZ entirely. Also not a fan of the phrasing that you find Grack's vote on Sent 'interesting'. What does that mean? | ||
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On March 07 2019 02:41 rsoultin wrote: Hmm, okay, then I do have an issue with you. Your approach to the game where you just spewed thoughts I was a fan of, and I like some of your comments even though there were several I disagreed with, but Grack you'd barely commented on despite talking about lynching him and it feels like you forgot MZ entirely. Also not a fan of the phrasing that you find Grack's vote on Sent 'interesting'. What does that mean? On the other hand I did like the Wiggles case and will have that up when filtering him so -shrugs- | ||
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On March 07 2019 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah this bigggg punching bag with like 5 pages and low activity is real useful. Not at all like if I was mafia I can talk about like half the shitty lurkers in this game that aren’t mafia Lol >< yeah no. Oats definitely has been doing more than just calling attention to you anyway, Grack. | ||
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On March 07 2019 02:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck me, HF probably really is town. Going through the effort of pulling people off of him is a giant pain in the ass especially since he's still a huge question mark in a lot of ways, and if we lynch someone else (in all likelihood, BH) today people are still going to constantly be on his ass. YOU COULD HAVE MADE THIS GAME EASY GDAMN IT Stay the course for now I must think on this -amused- | ||
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On March 07 2019 02:49 Tictock wrote: I haven't forgotten Meap, just haven't read anything new from him so I don't have anything new to say. Grack felt like a non-entity D1 so was a reasonable lynch for me, given I have different expectations from him for reasons I just explained. His Sent vote was both against the grain for how I saw votes happening so far today (I only saw flips and checked vote-thread when I first came home last night), my first thought was actually "Old news - Odd vote" but since I am so far behind on reading this game I don't actually know why he was making that vote. Re: SL making a comment about me being a possible lynch... I would actually be so grateful to have the responsibility of reading this game removed from my shoulders. I am thankful I have learned how to put my own "life" first and sorta not give a shit or else I would be sleepless and tearing my hair out at this game. Lol, dude, I can totally sympathize with this >< Every year I try this game again and every year I remember why I don't play anymore. Some parts of it are super fun but a lot of it is frustrating as hell. See for me, if grack isn't playing like you think he should when he was super easy for you to read when you were town together, and then he's placing a vote off on a different wagon than your other scumread HF, my reaction would not be, oh, hm, that's interesting, I need to read before I vote for HF. My reaction would be these two are probably scum together and I'd drop my vote so quick. | ||
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On March 07 2019 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment 1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway. Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan? Lol >< oh snap! | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you put opinions instead of reactions please That was an opinion, lovely. It means I agree that nothing about that post makes Rels town. Now you can go direct your grouchy self at someone who isn't obviously trying to solve the game while everyone's arguing like wet cats -shoos- | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:08 Tictock wrote: I haven't really had a solid reason to think HF is scum, and while Grack felt off to me at the start of the game he was still more "low hanging fruit" than someone I actually read as scum. I've really not had a solid read on HF at all this game. I haven't seen much that makes me think he is town, and despite his insistence otherwise everything I have seen fits in his scum-range. This is why I gave him a 60% chance of being scum just a little while ago. I am salty about his choice of mayor-lynch but that doesn't solidify his alignment for me. So, yea I figuered I'd rather read and vote later. I rarely drop votes super quick and fast anyways, even though this gets me some heat sometimes. Right now, I'd say the ppl I feel are most likely scum are: Meap (though he warrents a re-read since I haven't read anything from him in days), Mr. Wiggels, and Bloddy (his recent reads post felt far more opportune than genuine reads, and I had bad vibes from him earlier). In other news, I'd wager that Oats and Rels are both town this game. Both are pretty off the cuff gut reads right now though. Ehh, maybe a bit stronger on Oats since I felt like his Entry to the game was much more "towny doing his thing" and seemed counter to a scum-agenda. Agree on Oats. Don't know how anyone can have a townread on Rels right now, though. Especially if you've ever seen his scum game. | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch. I have very good reason now to believe hf is town. Not that I'm not happy to see you coming around, but why the sudden change of heart? | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Talking with him, and then I remember something. Later, dearies. -_- I find you irritating in a probably town so I just want to kick you sort of way. | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you want to know what made him change his mind so badly? Is that a real question? | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay so now he agrees with you, and doesn’t want to lynch who you also think is town but a lot of us don’t. Why don’t you immediately assume he saw what you have been seeing? It’s an odd reaction to something that generally shouldn’t bother you that much Why should I immediately assume he saw what I was seeing when he hasn't seen it when I've pointed it out to him? I like to know why people's reads change. It's this weird thing about not knowing anyone's alignment but my own for sure, go figure. | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:25 Oatsmaster wrote: If you think he’s town then it doesn’t really matter though does it? I'm egotistical but not egotistical enough to think that all my reads are correct. So yes, it does. | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m not saying you shouldn’t know it, I’m saying that the emotional response seems a little excessive Ah, you mean the one where I ask nicely and he blows me off? I don't like being ignored. | ||
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On March 07 2019 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Ah lifes tough rsoul, if you didn’t notice he ignored me too How’s your analysis going Slooowly. Incidentally I'm poking through your filter right now ^^ | ||
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On March 07 2019 04:13 LightningStrike wrote: just got home I didn't do anything this morning because well I had homework that I had to do. Some question that I need to answer: Maybe it is best to save VCA until we get BH flipped but it would be easier to start coloring people. NK wifom is making my head spin with BH being alive. Scum because her fight with rayn felt TvS honestly tone wise it felt like. Plus her read shifts was read on me felt a bit weird especially because I would of thought her husband would of told her about Cell Millionaire being the game I broke my emotion meta. Also her EoD was extremely weird she somehow ended up from wanting to lynch Trfel to wanting to lynch BH all within like 2 hours EoD. I'm town LS. If you've got questions for me, ask. I'm no longer likely to curse at you for calling my getting upset at rayn fake lol >< re: what my husband tells me, he does not share the details of every game he hosts(?) with me nor would I remember if he did, and if he were playing this game we'd be playing as RtaniSoul Truffle's posts at EoD seemed towny to me full stop. You can believe that comes from scum or not, up to you. Any other issues, questions? | ||
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On March 07 2019 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: What you think of EoD in terms of like spread of the mafia votes on the following scnerios: If BH is Town? If BH is Scum? I don't know that it would be any different tbh if BH is scum suiciding vs. town. Maybe more scum on BH trying to get cred if he's scum. If they're both town mafia in the off-wagon votes is more likely. This is kind of basic mafia 101 though not sure what you think you'll learn from this question. | ||
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On March 07 2019 04:28 LightningStrike wrote: Tina here is my best scum game since you had retired just so you got a little bit extra info about what Rels was talking about here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503886-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cell-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike Speaking of Rels: Rels what is your current read on me and why? I don't care, sorry. You're almost definitely town and I've got more important things to do. | ||
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waffling a little on TT because of the grack thing with sent but his explanation lines up and he feels town to me, so not up there with oats, ls, hf, ff but still townish. read ace this morning and not convinced by hf's assertion that no way he plays that bad as scum. that's where my vote would go at the moment haven't reread wave but gut says town the same way it said oats was. i don't think i'll change my mind short of something blatant i didn't notice filtering acro next, then probably rayn and viva. but i'll take other suggestions, priorities getting uncomfortable with townreading most of the active players pft | ||
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On March 07 2019 04:49 Holyflare wrote: I think a BH lynch is key to solving a lot of people's alignments to be honest. I'm not opposed to this cause I'm shit at reading him. Usually when I read him scum he's town, and because there are things making me want to townread him and he's not setting off my BS bells I really contrarily think maybe he's scum and I just have a reverse-dar for some inexplicable reason. But whose alignment do you think it will resolve? I doubt BH's martyring was something the scum team didn't plan around if he's scum? | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:13 Acrofales wrote: We decided you scum and are starting a wagon. Got anything to add? Still filtering, rayn, but I wanted to post this before I forgot who did it again. I remember getting a town feel from this post. | ||
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia. I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler + I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow. Yeah no it's not jiving. I can believe you believe it but 1. He wasn't going after lurkers -> main push was oats 2. I don't know why this would make anyone scum? 3. This doesn't seem entirely true unless your argument is why didn't he try to convince one of them to lynch someone he scumread more? Which I don't see as particularly problematic in light of what he was posting about D1. And I don't see the yelling or chaos? 4. This I can see. 5. Don't agree here either. Much as I don't agree on his HF push it's not like he's been ignoring everything else. @Acro - when did you decide HF became top priority? he was behind wiggles and sent originally? On March 05 2019 10:13 Acrofales wrote: Unfortunately no. We don't. Sentinel and Wiggles were exactly as bad, and were also high priority scumreads from the dead town Palmar. | ||
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On March 07 2019 05:28 rsoultin wrote: @Acro - when did you decide HF became top priority? he was behind wiggles and sent originally? | ||
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On March 07 2019 05:35 sicklucker wrote: if we were gonna yolo lynch I think rels is the guy. he starts getting active as mafia starts winning. very nice. also thinks im scum for some reason which seems forced (omgus) I'm also down for this. If I still feel this way in the morning I'll explain further. But I also am fine with a BH lynch so...yeah lol >< | ||
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On March 07 2019 05:41 Acrofales wrote: Dunno. Sometime during the night when I read other people's reactions, and reread HF's behavior around the flip. Think WoS said something insightful. I'll try to find it, but let me catch up with the damn thread first before I gotta filter-dive again. Sure. If it's easier I'm more curious what changed your mind specifically that he was higher priority. I saw where you first said it in your filter and don't need you to filter yourself lol >< | ||
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Fuck it I give up. My brain is fried and I can't keep focused for long and that's doing no one any good, so I'm going to stop trying to solve the entire game somehow at once and just ignore the fact that I'm probably missing an active scummer somewhere. Acro doesn't look scum to me. Rayn I'm mostly okay with minus a doubt here or there. And Viva may be scum but really I'm least scared of him making it late game if he's scum cause he'll just peter out. Dug in and blinders on is what I associate with his town game anyway, though it's a little less shiny and different-Viva angle than I'm used to seeing. | ||
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2. Maybe? Wouldn't know how valid this is. 3. This didn't happen. 5. Mine, for one xP | ||
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On March 07 2019 06:24 Tictock wrote: Sorry, never mind what I said about getting back to this game today. Work wants me to come in and cover a shift. Finally got some word about my roommate (hadn't really heard anything since "he is in the hospital, he is ok" from his fam), sounds like he is still suicidal and no clue when he will be released. Which tells me I am stuck in Limbo for a bit in this situation but probably need to break my lease and move out or somehow find a new roommate for a few months. Either way I think I need to take all the hours I can and go into work. Sorry I have nothing related to the game, I probably should not have signed up with this shit going on. Taking care of yourself is more important. | ||
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On March 07 2019 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: 3. What did he do? Saying HF dont lymch Palmar or Koshi for mayor for 30mins counts as nothing because it never achieves nothing. Like has everyone fucking stopped understanding how this game even works?!?!?! This is the last I'm going to say on this. Achieving something is not the same as trying to achieve something. Right now you are trying to achieve something. | ||
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On March 07 2019 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is one post on his filter where he says "i went to read palmars filter and he is not scum". There is a set of 3 posts that goes "koshi wanna be mayor?", "lets do this (vote)", "koshi mayor going nowhere (vote palmar)". That lasted a whole 30 minutes and that is all of his "trying to achieve" not getting mayor lynch his townread.... I dont even know why the dude voted for trfel (for some random post), while earlier having agreed to bh lynch. Okay, I can see where you're coming from. Your argument is that he wasn't trying hard enough for you to believe he really cared about it, yes? For some reason I think I might have read his having already addressed this...yes. Why do you think Sentinel was a townread of Acrofales? | ||
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On March 07 2019 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes that is my argument. Idk why he was but he was. Very light townread but still townread. Another thing about caring. His case against you on idk n1 or d2. Your scumread on palmar. He didnt even care enough to check why i scumread palmar (your read was based on mine). He said i scumread palmar because palmar wanted to kill sentinel (which is ridiculous because i originally said i am okay with that plan eventhough i tgink palmar is scum) and because palmar didnt respond to my case on him (i had had a scumread on palmar long before that happened and that had literally nothing to do with your read on palmar). Is that much caring? Like its not very hard to know why me or you scumread palmar if you read our filters with any thought, somehow he managed to miss that while its the backbone of his case. Then he said something like holyflare must die for his stunt and will flip mafia but hey lets lynch wiggles and sentinel because palmar said so. Like wtf he doesnt even think sentinel is mafia eod1 but when night starts he magically is because palmar flipped, and i bet he didnt even know at that point why palmar read wiggles mafia. Yeah I'm very familiar with the n1 case. He claimed I was scumreading palmar for people sheeping palmar lol >< though tbf Wave also somehow got that confused if I recall correctly. Though I will say Wave was right that I didn't say much about Palmar and actually dug. And I'm already prodding him for the latter which he has told me to lynch him for if he doesn't get back to me ^^ I don't think it's crazy for you to scumread him. I really just dismissed his case on me as dumb coming from either alignment and kind of disregarded it as alignment-indicative. That could have been premature. But I don't know, in a vacuum he seems to be poking into various things while pushing the HF lynch. I know why you'd want to lynch him before n2 if you expect to be killed. I had the same issue with my scumread in one of my more recent games - no faith they'd lynch him when I was dead. I'll keep poking at what bugs me but I don't think this will be today's lynch nor probably should it be? I just don't see enough here to make me confident enough to push him over say Ace and I do believe BH is a good lynch today. | ||
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@mocsta Vote is probably going on BH or Ace. Will decide...probably in the afternoon? Actually a bit busy tomorrow. If I don't start something of my own by then lol >< Just in case I'm one of the people who you don't think has made a clear stance cause the thread's massive. | ||
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My gut wants to lynch Rels for him being so eager to connect with me and then not doing anything with it. His comments are usually piggy-backing or outright nada. And then my devil's advocate says wasn't he a better scum player than this? And can't the blah be explained by big game/little time? And I'm debating how much to share which isn't helpful either. Also, ye, mocsta does look pretty town to me and I'm gonna pretend he's never had me eating out of his hand when he's scum. I opened DF's filter and realized he talked more than I remembered but I'm not getting strong feels on him one way or another. Which makes me lean toward scum. Tried to read Wiggles filter and my brain petered out halfway through. That will have to come later. My general impression of him this game is not much different than my issue with Wave was on D1, though. Pretty peanut gallery. With an addition of being too nice, at least to me. Gun to my head I'd vote Wiggles today pre-reviewing his filter. Or BC >< Or Rels. I feel like I'm missing shit and my usual way of finding what I'm missing doesn't work in such a big game. Spent way too much time yesterday getting nowhere fast. Slam not having fun is probably scum. <-yeah, I know, unoriginal Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out. Grack feels townish though so yay? MZ idk what that Damdred best lynch rn over others thing is. Is he reading this game or not? I could check back in his filter but cba. I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either. Anyway, not going to be around as much today. Hopefully I can get the motivation back to actually focus on what I'm reading instead of it all blurring together. Might just yolo a Rels lynch anyway. My gut super doesn't like him >< So I guess I do have one strong scumread that I doubt I can adequately explain cause it's all based on feels lol yay \o/ | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:20 Holyflare wrote: Hahahahahahahahaha there was a whole discussion about which one of the palmar voters was also mafia LOL! Talk to me about Rels. | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote: Voted BH My gut wants to lynch Rels for him being so eager to connect with me and then not doing anything with it. His comments are usually piggy-backing or outright nada. And then my devil's advocate says wasn't he a better scum player than this? And can't the blah be explained by big game/little time? And I'm debating how much to share which isn't helpful either. Also, ye, mocsta does look pretty town to me and I'm gonna pretend he's never had me eating out of his hand when he's scum. I opened DF's filter and realized he talked more than I remembered but I'm not getting strong feels on him one way or another. Which makes me lean toward scum. Tried to read Wiggles filter and my brain petered out halfway through. That will have to come later. My general impression of him this game is not much different than my issue with Wave was on D1, though. Pretty peanut gallery. With an addition of being too nice, at least to me. Gun to my head I'd vote Wiggles today pre-reviewing his filter. Or BC >< Or Rels. I feel like I'm missing shit and my usual way of finding what I'm missing doesn't work in such a big game. Spent way too much time yesterday getting nowhere fast. Slam not having fun is probably scum. <-yeah, I know, unoriginal Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out. Grack feels townish though so yay? MZ idk what that Damdred best lynch rn over others thing is. Is he reading this game or not? I could check back in his filter but cba. I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either. Anyway, not going to be around as much today. Hopefully I can get the motivation back to actually focus on what I'm reading instead of it all blurring together. Might just yolo a Rels lynch anyway. My gut super doesn't like him >< So I guess I do have one strong scumread that I doubt I can adequately explain cause it's all based on feels lol yay \o/ Actually, fuck it, I can at least explain where the feeling is coming from. He invited me into a mason qt as a night action after crowing about how I'd change my mind during the night?phase I think it was when I said he could be scum. Then he calls the thing useless after my first response in the qt is the role's not in the OP and so it gives me nothing as to his alignment. I've been plopping reads in there he's only been commenting on trying to get him to play and the best he's got is the nonsense in this thread and something about sent which all I can see on sent is him nodding at grack? I'm just getting the strong sense he hoped I'd start townreading him like a pleb the moment he invited me into the qt. Joke's on him. Only time I've ever seen a mechanic like that I was invited into a different one by scum lol >< I don't know why scum would have a role like that this game but I don't really see why town would either. So I'm just going off Rels' behavior. | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:36 Holyflare wrote: What the fuck? So the op is wrong and there are actually hidden roles? Yes, it's joyful isn't it? There's a fun line in there that made me want to beat my head against a wall. Let me find it. | ||
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On February 18 2019 04:15 kitaman27 wrote: This game uses a closed normal setup. The following roles may be included in the game, but this is not a comprehensive list of possibilities. All roles are not guaranteed to be present. Yup there it is. | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:40 Blazinghand wrote: The existence of additional roles is true, and we learned it at the end of D1 when a non-OP role flipped, even if (like me) you didn't read the OP before the "backup cop" flip. From the OP: Yeah I'm less concerned with that and more with my eager puppy turned wet noodle. But thanks for commenting on the non-essential bit. Unless people think I'm lying about a role not in the OP lol >< | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:41 Holyflare wrote: How active has rels been in qt? Somewhat. He greeted me enthusiastically, then hasn't done anything unprompted other than tell me to check his filter on sent after last night. Just commented on some reads I put in there. He disagreed with me on my saying BH's reaction to Iam during D1 looked towny and posted a quote of TT getting emotional saying that he had a good reason to TT. Mentioned being scared of HF. Some other things but what it amounts to is I'm not getting anything volunteered from him he's just reacting to some of my things. Given we're in different timezones I expected to wake up to something if he really invited me into the QT to try to solve the game together. Even with little time I'd expect more than just commenting on my reads. | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote: That's not activity, that's content. How many times has he been in qt and not posting in thread for example? I'd have to match timestamps but off the top of my head early D2 (I wasn't posting much in thread at the time either to be fair) and he was just posting intermittently yesterday when he was at work I think. Which is fine. My issue is content. Commenting on my posting is not content. It's also an emotional thing. I don't know how he goes from excited pre-action to just not. He says his role is useless in qt. | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote: Aren't you in NL? Same timezones as France. QT started beginning of D2. And he's in Canada now. | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:55 Blazinghand wrote: If you wanted to use the town Masoner to determine alignments, you'd Mason someone scummy N1 and crumb that you masoned them at the end of N1 and crumb again at the end of N2, and if he's mafia there's a non-trivial chance he gets spooked and shoots you, and town will find the crumbs and realize that the scummy guy was who you masoned, and the only guy who knew you were a mason. Maybe lie in a closed-ish setup like this and say that you'll have an alignment check on whoever you mason after the second night, which would really spook mafia (unless you got unlucky and masoned a GF....) there are a lot of possibilities Okay? Well, the point still stands. Super excited -> not doing anything with it screams he expected me to townread him the moment I landed in his qt. | ||
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On March 07 2019 17:58 Holyflare wrote: I don't know why rels would mason rsoul though when there's a high probability she could get shot. Unless he knows she's not going to get shot. Lol I hadn't even thought of that >< The town reason could be I was his top townread and he wanted to solve the game together. But that's not happening. | ||
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@Wave and here I thought you'd come after me rather than someone who just replaced into the game from hell lol >< @Viva i'd gloat about you being wrong again but you'd just say it was because i was bad so -shrugs- never viva's fault when he's wrong | ||
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On March 07 2019 23:26 Grackaroni wrote: lol nobody reads what I post. My only chance is to pester other people whose posts might be read. tbf part of it is it's a huge game and the other part is i'm not retaining at least half of anything anymore. but i will take a look just cause i hate being ignored in your position. just maybe not right this instant right this instant i think i'm gonna go do something actually fun and just keep an eye on the thread and hope that sparks a eureka moment hold me to this, though. i did want to read through sent | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: because you havent been able to put up a NORMAL post in all this game and now you suddenly can because hf is mafia which he was to you ages ago? what is this shit even? That's enough. | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: That was not even NOWHERE near rude so fuck you. You implied he's not intelligent enough to write that himself. It was. You apologized and let it go. We're good. No need to keep it up by cursing at people -flicks- | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. i impiled he never ever writes stuff like that by himself knowing how how disconnected he is from this game (basing this for example on his read on me where he got everything wrong). Like what the fuck is seriously wrong with you? I have been acting in probably the most polite manner i ever have in this game yet i have somehow apparently made you cry because you blabbered bullshit about me on your D1/N1 read on me and i pointed it out and what the fuck ever i dont even care.............................. Dont play mafia if you cant face the facts, or "shit" in case it's mafia talking. Fucking annoying i cant even give my opinion on people without someone with loose bowels losing their shit. -squints at- I think you should step away now. I'm not upset so I'm not sure why you are, but this is not the headspace for you to be posting in. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your post but I'd guess Slam probably interpreted it similarly given his reaction. People don't always understand things the way others mean them. | ||
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Though it would be nice to be wrong about that xD Doubt it. | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:36 Tumblewood wrote: i am just uncomfy about these “stay the course” posts. we are >7 hours out and many of them came while HF was still clearly the biggest wagon. HF isn’t even thaaat townie but the way vivax and ace are acting about his lynch feels a little over-the-top No, I get you. And I agree with you on Ace, actually. Tonally, his posts feel off. I just know that Viva is often a stubborn mule who needs a flip before he can be bothered to reevaluate...if he does even then lol >< It's best to just ignore him if you think he's town and disagree unless he brings a good reason to make you reconsider your own position. Not that I'm always good at ignoring him. | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:38 Acrofales wrote: @rsoultin: This is a pretty shitty reason to lynch this guy: Why is BH scum? Go. I don't know xD Maybe he's not | ||
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On March 08 2019 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote: I've said that since I voted for trfel on the first night. I wanted to see more from BH to see what he's all about. I have done, but I still don't know who to vote for tonight so I'm keeping an eye out. Ace is still a good candidate... turning up with his one word replies pointing out other people's mistakes while keeping his mouth pretty much shut about everything. I agree. I just don't see him ever being lynched over HF, BH or alternatively a low-posting lurker like ExO_ if people decided they don't want to lynch the former two. And honestly I'm not really too interested in lynching someone I don't strongly feel is scum? Cause I think BH has a slightly larger chance of flipping town than scum but I wouldn't wager a so much as a quarter on it lol >< I'd like to lynch Rels but people think his role makes him town and arguing till I'm blue in the face that he's not talking to me when he masoned me which he seemed eager to do is probably not going to get me anywhere. In part because people aren't experiencing what I am and in part because it's kind of tonal anyway. Excite -> not solving game with me. Also I'd feel a bit like a dick if he's a townie with no time and was just being nice so maybe I should have let it slide and see what he did later >< thing is I'm not sure how long this thing lasts and I don't expect to survive N2 anyway. | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:31 Acrofales wrote: So anyway, meanwhile you have your vote parked on someone you can't even make a coherent argument for that he's scum? Yup. Scummy, innit? | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote: You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:57 LightningStrike wrote: Tina I sorry I was thinking your scum this game but I think you're town now. What stuff you looking into atm? Honestly? I just caught up with the thread after a nice dinner of pancakes and chat with our new house guest, and I'm turning into a pumpkin in an hour when the hubby kidnaps me for the rest of the night. So unless people send me down an avenue to poke where I come back with a solid scumread on someone, my vote stays on Blazinghand. Though that does remind me that I wanted to read Sent and look at Grack's case so that's what I'm doing now. | ||
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Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:06 darthfoley wrote: Can people read my analysis of HF's EoD1 on the previous page? Does anyone truly believe his read progression on Trfel was legit? Or that he gave a single fuck about who the lynch was? It's based on the false premise that Truffle was the lynch until seconds from the end. So...yeah. | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:07 Acrofales wrote: Nah, this just means mafia will pile onto one of the wagons instead of hiding elsewhere as we just defined a rule: if you're off-wagon, you're scum. So scum hides by being on the wagon. If they're both scum, they bus (as there literally isn't another option). If one is town and the other scum, they try to avoid bussing. And if both are town they just lurk and comply. There is no point in forcing consolidation in a plurality lynch. ? I think you're missing the part where I'm townreading HF and don't want him to die. If I'm wrong on my light townread on BH, great. We got mafia. I see no real downside. | ||
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On March 07 2019 12:40 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly I've been mostly going just off Palmar/Marv's take on Sentinel for my read so far but I'm wading into his filter now and it's really not pretty. Read here: His read on TT is In line with thread sentiment as he said in the post. Later in his big reads post he drops a scum read on TT based off the same early game posts that he already read when he called TT town the first time. (note the timestamps.) + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 7) Tictock I'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers Here are some of his noteworthy takes I agree with this for the same reason. More on this in my Meapak DD in the next post What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not. Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town. His justification is So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around. I think this is colored by TT's dislike of HF I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town. Leaning red If Sent's mafia, this probably isn't why. There's over 24hrs between the two posts. | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:29 Oatsmaster wrote: But I wanted to know her alignment and now I can’t dude please I'm not sure how my remembering the name of a game and linking it to you would be alignment indicative cause I'm pretty sure I'd do that as scum but okay? Unless you thought I was making it up for #reasons but then LS linking it to you shows I wasn't too -shrugs- | ||
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On March 08 2019 05:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh yeah damdred is 100% town this game for sureee uhuhuh A fair point cause even I'm not sure of that lol >< I think he is but it's just a light read and the being awol thing is nai. | ||
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It doesn't match my feeling of him where it seemed he'd just come in and prod for opinions like he was trying to determine thread sentiment before having some of his own. But I think where he ended up negates that impression a bit. | ||
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BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through. I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of. | ||
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On March 08 2019 18:05 sicklucker wrote: I gave a pretty important thing for you to follow in the event of my death. Sometimes you must trust in others ? He says Viva is probably tonight's nk and you tell him how town Viva is? | ||
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On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through. I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of. It wasn't intended to be condescending, so I'm sorry if I wrote it poorly. I'd rather you comment on this than a near-universal townread anyway lol >< | ||
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On March 08 2019 18:11 sicklucker wrote: I get that ryan thinks acro is mafia. I personally think that is kind of unlikely and hes a likely candidate for a nk tbh. but its one thing for rayn to barely care about anything else in the thread. LIke killing between bh/hf (he thought hf was town but didnt bother voting bh) I cant think of any of his reads. also stop making bad posts wos tell me what I did wrong or dont post at all. wasted thread we have like 140 pages of wasted thread Agreed that Acro probably isn't mafia. I'm not sure Rayn gets so angry at people the way he has been if he's scum and it's not like he never tunnels as town. But I see y'all's issues with him. I'm just not convinced that Rayn doesn't hold the game hostage as town cause I'm fairly sure I've seen it before in the game he was tunneling me till mylo/lylo (forget which). | ||
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On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through. I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of. @Slam And I like the case on Wiggles in a vacuum, so just lob him in. | ||
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On March 09 2019 01:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't like this list. I don't know why exactly. Maybe cause it doesn't contain sentinel or Pandain. I also would find it incredibly convenient if both Ace and bc were scum. I'm pretty sure it's one or neither. -shrugs- I'm not townreading them. As for Ace and BC...I don't know why exactly you think they can't both be scum? Are you townreading one of them? | ||
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On March 09 2019 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Not sure. Seems unlikely they both go hard on HF the way they have as scum though. Most likely 1:1 or both town. Eh, this sort of argument especially before any scum flips is never terribly convincing to me, I guess. BC didn't seem to go hard on anything? Granted I was reading after the fact but it seemed more like RANTYYELLYRAGEY -peace out- heh | ||
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On March 09 2019 01:44 WaveofShadow wrote: That's BC though. Are you the meta type? Go look at past games of his. I am but it's a slog to get the nuances and not just the does x yell or not, so I think I won't bother unless I'm actually still in the game tomorrow. #lazyrsoulislazy I have no doubt that he's...ahem...acerbic? in general. Unless you're saying the yelling itself is alignment indicative? | ||
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On March 09 2019 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't. You seem to think it is though if you're calling him out for ranting and then leaving. As with many things, the way in which people do things is more important than the what. | ||
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It seems to me that he hasn't been yelling about anything substantive. EoD 1 was entirely pointless. And yesterday it's pretty convenient to hook on what I did and just yell about the wagon where someone 'lied'. Given I believe we've never had a mafia up for lynch, it's a super easy way to appear invested without being the least bit invested or doing any work. Of course it's not just about the yelling. Despite popular opinion this game, I'm not actually stupid. And as for Viva, why do you care? Either it will happen or it won't -shrugs- | ||
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On March 09 2019 05:53 Vivax wrote: WoS has a history of friendship with HF. LS with tina, Rels with a bunch of other people. Sadly it influences their game especially if the latter are scum and play the emo card. True. People still seem to think I ever fake emotions lol >< I've never understood the idea that only town can be emotional -shrugs- That said, most people don't base their reads soley off emotion and suggesting that this is what's happening here is misleading. Except I'm kinda sorta null-reading Rels cause he's angry as fuck at me lol >< | ||
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LightningStrike Vivax Holyflare Acrofales Raynpelikoneet Mocsta Wave of Shadow Grackaroni sicklucker Oatsmaster - impression reads aren't advancing but not sure this will hold up after the filter dive I didn't do tictock Damdred Chezinu Alakaslam - not happy + what now he has to think cause he thought I had no scumreads? Mr. Wiggles Ace ExO_ Bloodycobbler Darthfoley Null-reads Onegu - no shiny hipster reads (scum) vs. so uncaring (town) Fecalfeast - seems to have lost interest Rels - pissed at me man -_- Dunno - would need to look at them closer Tumblewood Jockmcplop [UoN]Sentinel tubesock Pandain replaced by AMG Meapak_Ziphh *Anything that's changed I think I've added a comment to? Out for the night. We've got an early morning tomorrow. | ||
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On March 09 2019 06:56 Holyflare wrote: TW/Exo/Pandain/BC/Ace/X/Y Probably. I'd say Slam/Chezinu maybe. Ultimate lurker team just commenting sometimes and surviving. Off chance Ace is just a baddy but I don't think he should be like this if he is town. Before I leave just don't forget DF. Pretty sure his slot is scum. | ||
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On March 09 2019 06:59 Holyflare wrote: If Exo is not mafia than darthfoley is. DF goes out of his way to correct me on my Exo read where he comments on BH (which was apparently Trfel) but ignores that Exo actually did read BH town straight before that. <3 | ||
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On March 09 2019 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah that's not great. I'm not really filter diving and fact checking here so Wasn't gonna comment cause it's obv a tunneling Viva but that was hardly the only thing I'd said about HF at that time -_- The guy's cherry-picking at least one filter. | ||
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On March 18 2019 01:55 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, sorry town. My scumreads were way off. Wiggles did well, when his radio show started, the palmar scumread just sorta faded away. It only really came back in the last 2 hours of the last day when he was screaming so adamantly for Oats lynch, but lets face it: we weren't going to get Pandain lynched either, and I didn't scumread MZ, so just stuck with Oats and figured Wiggles was either an overzealous townie, or busing. When Oats flipped green it was rather obvious, but also too late. Jock played very well. His excuse for why his play dropped off was believable enough that his earlier activity just kept him in the green list. Rels I thought was scum, but he convinced rsoultin and LS he was town, and that was all he really needed to do. Lets face it, we were never even close to lynching any scum other than Sentinel this game. It was just town fighting with town. Rayn calls me terrible, but pretty much the only thing he did was tunnel me and then die. I still don't understand how we lynched Chezinu and how town allowed HF to shoot Palmar. It was just a total collective failing all around. Day 1: 4 town wagons for lynching Day 2: 2 town wagons for lynching Day 4: 2 (3 if we count onegu) town wagons for lynching Day 5: 2 town wagons for lynching I get why it's nice to have something like that to lean on, but that never happened lol >< | ||
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On March 18 2019 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: my bad town E: sorry tina. i was bad. I'm not upset with you no worries <3 Game was tough. And I really find it funny Rels that you qt'd me cause you thought you could buddy me xDDDDD | ||
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