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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
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Oatsmaster
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
A lurker vig only makes sense as a pro-town role if the role itself is KNOWN/DECLARED; otherwise, there is no actual threat to lurkers -> defeating the purpose of the role. With the way the game unfolded, the town!lurker vig is essentially a handicapped vig. "Ohh look, I could only shoot town" -> how convenient.... | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On March 11 2019 13:58 Mocsta wrote: Deadzone wiggles. I would contest its a scum-favoured role. Even if the entire scum team did not vote *OR* posted less than 5 times. There would probably be a higher total of townies that are also eligible. Thats the beauty, it sounds so good at face value. If it was this great, TL would have implemented the role as a deterrent yonks ago. Anyhow, if you wouldnt use it to influence your read, where do you currently stand on acro? Coming in to D3, your hosts have been reading Acrofales as being a contributing member of our green society. We did not care as much for his play today (D3), but he did tell us beforehand that he would be spending the weekend sailing. We expect that he was undertaking this boating trip for pleasure, and not to drop someone off for a long swim in cement shoes. Our current bomb threat situation remains unresolved. The madman Chezinu is still on the loose, but the manhunt for him did have a happy outcome as Liquidia police snagged wanted criminal [UoN]Sentinel. Sentinel had been a longtime member of Liquidia town council until he was recently indicted on charges of accepting bribes from local criminal elements and embezzling public funds. A warrant was put out for his arrest, but he had managed to evade arrest until his recent discovery. Liquidia will surely be a safer place with Sentinel off the streets. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: We don’t lynch the claims because it makes 0 sense for the claims to actually claim On March 11 2019 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Like fake claim sorry On March 11 2019 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy We agree with this sentiment. If Acro was fake-claiming and had some other kind of vig/KP role, there's basically no reason to come out with that explanation. Further, if the role was a lie as town or scum, there were several better targets for a KP on N2. As scum, he doesn't necessarily have to claim the KP, and could have kept it a secret. On the other hand, killing Damdred doesn't exactly scream scum motivation, especially if the role claim is truthful. That's why the claim comes out as a wash for your host, and we prefer to base our read on Acro based on his past behaviour. We agree lynching into him would be silly. We hope that sometimes listener Ace will come to his senses about this matter. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
We hope to hear from you soon! | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
Your art of words have spoken to me. You words gave me second thought to attaching an explosive message along with this letter. I know you cherish the letters delivered to you. I am sure they will be secured in your heart. I shall give you a C and I will look into the R as someone had suggested. Sweet dreams, ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/vDCUUiL.png?2) Chezinu Isunizehc | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
Normal Guidelines A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it: is Mafia-aligned knows the identities of all of the Mafia team identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them. On this forum, godfather is considered normal, so who knows what a "normal" traitor is here: we're following Kita's playbook, which seems like a bastard version of "normal". Anyway, seem dangerous to do any association reading for sentinel. As for my role, Ace and mocsta are being idiotic. In what works does mafia ever want to shoot inactives? So either you think I'm lying about how my role works, or you aren't using your brain. Mocsta, Ace, do you think I'm lying about my role? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted 03-07-2019 04:05 AM ET (US) Yeah, so you should check the thread. I told everyone about the QT and the way you've handled things makes me think you're scum -shrugs- It really feels like you just expected me to townread you off this. I gave you a lot of time to start talking about literally anything unprompted and only your grack read sort of comes close. 49 What exactly made you so upset? You say betrayed, but I don't see how. Care to elaborate on why the QT being outed even affects at all how you can use it? 63 Rels 03-07-2019 03:07 PM ET (US) but IDK it was my role I wanted to create a secret town club and win the last game of TL like that. Would have been awesome Anyway, if this is somehow a scum tool for finding sentinel, rels' use seems weird. Did he think rsoultin might be the traitor? Don't really see why from her filter. So if this was the scum tool for that he either went and used it in his own way, or was playing badly. I'm back to this being a pretty townie use of the neighborizer role. Still not too sure of Rels, but the exchange we had yesterday made me lean more towards town, and I don't think the use of the QT was somehow scummy either. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 11 2019 13:56 Tictock wrote: I think Meap or Wiggles would be fantastic follow up lynches tomorrow. For sure one if not both of them are mafia. How did you reason this? On March 11 2019 13:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ace, you know Acro explained his claimed role, right? I think that "it" in the bolded is supposed to be an "or". Assuming that came in the role PM, which I'm guessing because of Acro saying he complained about it N1 because he couldn't shoot, then the choice of shots on N2 is completely not alignment indicative, but are simply the people who didn't vote or had under 5 posts. The role doesn't appear to care about alignment, just activity. In that sense I read it a lot more as a mod tool to handle inactivity by putting it in a player's hands as compared to simply mod-killing immediately. It's not inherently pro or anti town, looking at it that way. Now, if you want to make a case that Acro's not telling the truth about the role somehow, then that's another thing. Seems like a really weird thing to lie about though, as either alignment, so I don't think that's happening here. On the flip side, I don't see having the role as alignment indicative, could easily be given to scum or town, so I wouldn't use it to influence my read. Same thing goes for some of the other claims. I know he explained it. I just don't see how it fits into the game. And yes I made that case earlier, as his role claim isn't the only thing about him that makes him a prime suspect. On March 11 2019 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy Sure lol. On March 11 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our brave Dead Zone Show intern took this call a few minutes ago: Coming in to D3, your hosts have been reading Acrofales as being a contributing member of our green society. We did not care as much for his play today (D3), but he did tell us beforehand that he would be spending the weekend sailing. We expect that he was undertaking this boating trip for pleasure, and not to drop someone off for a long swim in cement shoes. Our current bomb threat situation remains unresolved. The madman Chezinu is still on the loose, but the manhunt for him did have a happy outcome as Liquidia police snagged wanted criminal [UoN]Sentinel. Sentinel had been a longtime member of Liquidia town council until he was recently indicted on charges of accepting bribes from local criminal elements and embezzling public funds. A warrant was put out for his arrest, but he had managed to evade arrest until his recent discovery. Liquidia will surely be a safer place with Sentinel off the streets. This post is awesome haha On March 11 2019 17:08 Acrofales wrote: I PM'd Kita for clarification on the traitor role, but he won't say more than in the flip post. Mafiascum has this, which doesn't really help at all sure to the caveat: On this forum, godfather is considered normal, so who knows what a "normal" traitor is here: we're following Kita's playbook, which seems like a bastard version of "normal". Anyway, seem dangerous to do any association reading for sentinel. As for my role, Ace and mocsta are being idiotic. In what works does mafia ever want to shoot inactives? So either you think I'm lying about how my role works, or you aren't using your brain. Mocsta, Ace, do you think I'm lying about my role? If one of the currently inactive players is a future threat ie not currently posting because of real life things but will do so in the future. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now? 2.) My Acro accusation is not solely based on his role claim. It's part of the thinking behind the effort used to kill Iamp. That original post can be found here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27291154 Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game. Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive: Onegu Vivax Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all. However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing. And of course, iamp's only vote Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum. 1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now. 2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility. 3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip. It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:59 Ace wrote: How did you reason this? I know he explained it. I just don't see how it fits into the game. And yes I made that case earlier, as his role claim isn't the only thing about him that makes him a prime suspect. Sure lol. This post is awesome haha If one of the currently inactive players is a future threat ie not currently posting because of real life things but will do so in the future. Hmm, ok. And you think I shot damdred for that reason? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
But, I know I look at the game differently so this part of the accusation can be me pretending to be in your shoes instead of getting a grasp on how you play. That being said, it's only one part of the case. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
On March 11 2019 20:05 Ace wrote: Wiggles, Oats. I'd like to see your comments on the rest of the ideas instead of singling out only the role claim aspect. Specifically two parts: 1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now? 2.) My Acro accusation is not solely based on his role claim. It's part of the thinking behind the effort used to kill Iamp. That original post can be found here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27291154 You calling it effort seems weird, as I don't see anywhere that Lamp even hinted at being a veteran. I am exceptionally bad at sniffing out blues (I just don't pay attention to that shit at all as either alignment), but have gone over his filter a few times looking for stuff where that might be hidden in plain sight, but I got nothing. So either: scum had some information that I don't (e.g. there's a second neighborizer that somehow got Lamp to trust him, or really did do a most excellent bluesnipe), or, and more likely, they just got lucky: RBing your kills is relatively standard practice, so they had a 1/3 chance of RBing the veteran. There is a very wacko outside chance that Tumblewood is an SK and also wanted to kill Lamp, and they just got lucky with the stacking KP. But Tumblewood's claim doesn't look like an SK, as he will have to hide his KP from that point onwards, and it just seems like a really dumb play to claim vig without any reason. Only worth revisiting this if scum has too much KP going forward. That said, I do agree that a player-controlled modkill (lurker vig), a normal vig, a dayvig and a hatter is probably too much KP for town, so something is weird here. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
On March 11 2019 20:53 Pandain wrote: Acro were you required to shoot day2 or did you have a choice to save your shot Could have saved, but I was expecting to die. Was quite surprised I didn't. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
On March 08 2019 19:26 Acrofales wrote: Reading through Damdred's filter gives me a big fat nothingburger. So he's scum. On March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote: Chezinu I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely. Pandain Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really. | ||
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Ace
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Pandain
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