[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II

On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?

On October 30 2018 21:25 prplhz wrote:

My thought process was the other way around, I didn't think "let's elect townie dudes and also kita". I thought "let's elect kita". And then I thought "okay maybe let's elect townie dudes and maybe not kita because he's hard to read and if we elect him now, the doubt it creates will linger for a good while". In my posts I actually say "there are some reasons to not elect kita that applies more to him than to others".

In many elections in mafia, you don't necessarily elect the most townie person, but some combination of townie and skilled. For example for mayor. I just want to elect townie people in this game because the chancellor doesn't actually have to do anything other than push through a liberal policy. He doesn't need to be any good at mafia to do that.

On October 31 2018 02:11 happykrogan wrote:

Maybe I'm just way overthinking it but look:
what if grack is in fact Hitler and sets this up, so the fascists can say exactly that and it appears as they made a joke.


he does it and it looks like a joke


and he shows that he understood.

What do you think? Still too obvious?

On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread.

On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?

On October 31 2018 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Of course i know what you are talking about, i want you to elaborate onto the thought process of how Grack's thought process is townie, because:
1) it doesn't really make much sense if you put yourself into purplehaze's shoes
2) grack basically retracts form it almost immediately

On November 01 2018 12:03 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not really a big fan of Rels. He down voted the first pair after wanting more time for discussion, but hasn't contributed anything meaningful himself.

That being said, none of the alternatives inspire a ton of confidence. I'd ask you to reconsider me, but that's your call.

On November 02 2018 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:
It just doesn't really make any sense. You're accusing me of knowingly choosing the players that appear the scummiest in thread but if they are actually the scummiest looking players then my team will just be rejected anyway.

On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:




I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.

On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:


As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote.
Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate

Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples:





I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything

On November 03 2018 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's true.

Grackaroni i would like you to vote yes. I am -- like you -- more certain of conversion being town than prplhz but i really think this is a correct way to do this. Worst case scenario you get FFF (which also conversion will if you reject). Second worse scenario is prplhz is scum, but then you will have 1v1 against him. Third worse scenario, he elects liberal (or is town)....

Meh.. if you think Conversion is town, then you should vote yes now. Always unless you are completely sure prplhz is mafia.

On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote:

No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something.

I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was

1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters)
2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter)
3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant)

On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote:

Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines.

He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos.

His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good.

I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me.

I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town.

I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening.

On November 03 2018 05:57 prplhz wrote:

are you seriously going to open up this dumb this again

and not even quoting the original post, but the post where i explained the original post. you're not posting the post where i said something but the post where i said that i said something.

On November 03 2018 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no this is suntrue.

On November 03 2018 06:02 prplhz wrote:

no, i don't really know what grack is. i don't get the "setting me up" thing but it doesn't worry me either.

On November 03 2018 06:05 prplhz wrote:

show me where i say we only have a 26% chance of passing a liberal policy

tell me how to achieve a considerably higher probability of passing a liberal policy in some other manner

On November 03 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote:
Phoneposting.

If krogan and rayn told the truth we have 5L9F in the deck.

P(0L3F) = 23
P(1L2F) = 49
P(2L1F) = 24
P(3L0F) = 2

I don't have much confidence in the (which was part of why I voted yes to Logan/rayn) but I super want to get elected.

Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. If town, he has 26 chance to force liberal policy and 49 to force either liberal policy or split between me and him. That split will give a lot of info to town because I think that we both are sort of grey in town opinion.

Not wanting to elect yourself is just avoiding reasonability, "don't look at me, I didn't do anything!". I don't like it at all. I still think you should elect me though because scum Grack can't really do much without giving up a lot. I think it's super worth it.

Sorry for shitty phoneposting. #VotePRPLHZ2018.

On November 03 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote:
Phoneposting.

If krogan and rayn told the truth we have 5L9F in the deck.

P(0L3F) = 23
P(1L2F) = 49
P(2L1F) = 24
P(3L0F) = 2

I don't have much confidence in the (which was part of why I voted yes to Logan/rayn) but I super want to get elected.

Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. If town, he has 26 chance to force liberal policy and 49 to force either liberal policy or split between me and him. That split will give a lot of info to town because I think that we both are sort of grey in town opinion.

Not wanting to elect yourself is just avoiding reasonability, "don't look at me, I didn't do anything!". I don't like it at all. I still think you should elect me though because scum Grack can't really do much without giving up a lot. I think it's super worth it.

Sorry for shitty phoneposting. #VotePRPLHZ2018.

On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote:

Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines.

He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos.

His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good.

I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me.

I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town.

I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening.

On November 03 2018 06:04 prplhz wrote:

yea, it seems very unserious if you think something is scummy the second time you read it but not the first time.

On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:

As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?

On November 03 2018 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think Conversion is town and then look at the president queue.

On November 03 2018 06:23 prplhz wrote:

i don't have a strong read of grack, or anybody really, maybe it's slightly scum but i kinda just want to get elected. i don't think it's all that likely nor disastrous if grack passes me 2F.

On November 03 2018 06:43 Grackaroni wrote:
Rels are you still here?

On November 03 2018 06:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh yeah I was going to ask your thoughts on a me/conversion team but w/e.

On November 03 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

my brain tells me you are very hard pushing this agenda for no reason other than you are scum with kitaman who just voted yes onto a team that he never should have voted yes on

On November 03 2018 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

idk what a "landslide D1 vote" means

On November 03 2018 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Idk, from what the thread sentiment was, what can scum do there in case me and krogan are town? Vote no for a shitty reason like you or Conversion? Or what, call us fascist? For what reason? What alternative do they have? Why are you avoiding to actually calling one of us mafia for some shitty "gameplaywise reason" you cant actually answer?

On November 03 2018 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean why are you calling "one of us" mafia for some shitty gameplaywise reason that you cant even back up on by yourself instead of making an actual read and call one of us mafia. And yeah the "one of those two" is another shitty thing because you arent specifying which one and that in itself makes the read you have on "us" already bs.... Just like kitaman's "i call grack scum because i group conversion and rels here and blablabla", meh, this is not "only facts no opinions" Rels, this is jsut dumb and probably scum.

On November 04 2018 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So grackaroni is pretty much conf town if we draw 3 more liberal policies.

On November 04 2018 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Now, which one, and why. Time to put some meat on the bone.

On November 04 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia.

On November 04 2018 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Your play so far has been nothing but about "vote analysis" where you have every single time ended up on "i dont have more than before the vote". that's bullshit, for real that is. You have not managed to make a single read, other than your early game read on krogan / grack (that they are town) because of reasons that dont even make sense, yet you have voted against every government that has included them as president (which should be enough for you to vote yes, because if you believe they are town and a "mission" fails, you have 100% scum in your opinion).

so yeah Rels, you are full of shit this game.

On November 04 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah maybe you heavent but you should know that's not how the game works and i dont give a single shit going 1v1 against you because you are scum.

On November 04 2018 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only time you ever come to post on this game is to throw random jabs at someone or throw some dumbass shit posts.

On November 04 2018 08:22 happykrogan wrote:

So I am confirmed scum in your opinion now?

On November 04 2018 09:43 happykrogan wrote:

Why kita? The only thing I found in your filter was the prpl/kita thing from the beginning and this post:

On November 04 2018 09:50 happykrogan wrote:

also this thought process doesn't feel honest.

On November 07 2018 05:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Cool.

There was at least one facist who has been elected so far, which means they either chose not to sabotage or didn't have an opportunity to sabotage. I think the facist player would usually choose to sabotage if they have the opportunity, unless they are Hitler.

Unless things really, really spiral out of control it seems unlikely that we'd hit 6 facist policies. The path to victory seems to be pretty straight forward and we have a dt check as a safe guard for when we eventually hit FFF. If we get a town result, that gives us a decent way to avoid Hitler as chancellor for half of the elections.

Either Krogan or Grack for me this cycle. I'm going to re-read one more time before I decide to see if I can figure out who the elected facist might be.

On November 07 2018 09:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like idk, i have a very hard time believing you basically think all mafia have voted yes all the time in almost all-town missions....

On November 03 2018 08:59 byj wrote:

How do you guys feel now? Shouldn't I be practically scum now, due to not talking but voting?

On November 03 2018 23:10 byj wrote:

Asking for updates, not refuting

On November 04 2018 02:33 byj wrote:


What do you guys think the reason is?


Among hitler you mean?

On November 04 2018 08:01 byj wrote:

Scroll up? I literally just said the opposite? Either way I PM'd [UoN], let's see what he has to say.

First I want an answer from you

On November 04 2018 09:05 byj wrote:

Scroll up? I literally just said the opposite? Either way I PM'd [UoN], let's see what he has to say.

First I want an answer from you

The fact that you are the first one mentioning it makes it NAI until you explain it.
I mean it seems like you wanted to do something with it. It was obvioulsy sonething you planned so I have to know what you planned.

On November 04 2018 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Anyone watching blizzcon?

On November 04 2018 09:09 byj wrote:

https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538533-secret-hitler-act-i-take-ii?page=25#481

NAI? So what do you think I planned?

Only watched the BW stuff, but think it's all over now
Fixed quotes now

On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:

Thanks <3

<3
Probably the game before that


What makes you think they don't serve a purpose?



I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).

On November 05 2018 22:51 byj wrote:

Is getting reads onto people not a plan?

There are only 3 Scums, so 'having a solid scumread' against 3 as Scum would be sub-optimal, since then you'd pretty much expected to vote for everyone else. So max. 2 townies, but likely more, if you're Hitler, or pretending to play against other Fascists.

I really don't get the logic in that conclusion, care to elaborate?

On November 06 2018 02:50 byj wrote:

You can react to it either way. It's just that people don't seem to want to do so.


Instead of just waiting for them to communicate to him?

On November 04 2018 05:07 happykrogan wrote:

Hitler does not not know.
Not the fascist don't know.
So they probably know each other... At least I thought so the whole game.

On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:

Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?
I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk.

On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

On November 04 2018 05:07 happykrogan wrote:

Hitler does not not know.
Not the fascist don't know.
So they probably know each other... At least I thought so the whole game.

On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:

Oh you're right

So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise

On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:

Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?
I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk.

On November 03 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I may change my vote to no.
prplhz listening stuff why Grack is scummy after he got elected at chancellor seems like setting up a 1v1 after a scum policy gets enacted.
Just realized that.

On November 03 2018 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am pretty sure purplehaze is town.

On November 03 2018 06:44 kitaman27 wrote:
lol I've submitted pass and fail 4 different times and I'm still not sure which to go with.

I'm at pass at the moment.

On November 03 2018 06:45 happykrogan wrote:
I think whatever I choose it will feel like the wrong thing in the end...

On November 03 2018 06:48 happykrogan wrote:
Whatever... changing to pass again...

On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:

Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?

On November 01 2018 06:27 happykrogan wrote:
Also I don't get how kitaman's post would make sense as a scum reveal to hitler.

On November 01 2018 06:29 happykrogan wrote:
Your reasoning is just the post seems out of place and had the word hitler in it?

On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:
Actually I think byj could very well be hitler. (which would be kind of funny because he is austrian)
A lot of his filter hints at this imo.
The whole voting but not talking thing I could interpret as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. Also he is talking a lot about hitler. Like almost half of his serious posts.

Or maybe this is true for himself, and he is a normal fascist but one way or the other and I don't think I will ever vote him this game.

On November 07 2018 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I gotta go to work. kitaman i am going to vote yes to your team if you pick Grackaroni.
I am probably going to downvote rels' team regardless of what he does. He does make a little bit sense but i am sorry i just am not going to straight up trust anyone who starts playing a week after the game starts.

On November 07 2018 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its your fault ig you dont play for a week, not mine.

On November 07 2018 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The possibility of drawing FFF is 6/8 x 5/7 x 4/6 which is approx 35,7%
So about 65% of the time we hit at least one liberal (well i'd stop right away if we get liberal anyways).

If we happen to hit FFF the deck is resuffled.
Second fascist policy goes to krogan who i believe is town, he gets the investigation. I would trust the result. krogan can investigate kitaman.
Third fascist policy goes to kitaman, in case he is town. If not then we will do something else but we know kitaman (or at least one of krogan / kitaman) is mafia.

Is there anyone who believes that krogan is mafia? Because in my opinion from the presidents (if you think someone is mafia there) Grackaroni looks the worst for not passing FL instead of LL (passibg FL to prplhz is the correct play there). That's not much, but still a possiblilty, i would find it more likely that mafia are just rels/byj/kitaman/(prplhz).

On November 07 2018 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think grackaroni is mafia and i want to use the investigation over you (or people after me) because i am sure as hell more trustworthy than you/byj/prplhz regardless of affiliations of any of yours.

On November 07 2018 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Or kita/grack enacts liberal or me/conversion enact liberal after.

On November 08 2018 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I never said you are maybe town, and honestly idc what you think rn since i can win this game with conversion and two other townies whoever they are.

Well if you are town you can ruin it if you are retarded but anyone who is town is insane if they think either me or conversion is mafia.

On November 08 2018 00:36 Conversion wrote:
so kita should elect grack I think? and then if a facist gets passed, we pass and rayn elects who he wants and it's a win win either way, bigger win we get liberal policy, pretty big win if facist is passed and he gets investigative.

if kita/grack gets a liberal passed, we enact rels+rayn team, and if this yields a a facist policy we set up investigative for rayn going into as 4L 1F, which is an even more ideal position

the only real problem with this plan is if rayn is not liberal ofc, but I have no reason to believe that the moment

On November 08 2018 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Then you should have played when it mattered. You dont get to come here and tell why i am an idiot ehen you once again fucking afkd bssically for a week. Your d2 "playing" was what i could have done on maybe 15 minutes, and you didnt even vote d3 so yeah... there you go.

On November 08 2018 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:


I think Krogan deserved the town cred from the first election where he had the opportunity to pass FF and claim FFF, where as you had less of a choice. If I had the opportunity now, I'd choose you over krogan since you're still trying to find a path to victory and he has kinda dropped off, but I still think you're both town regardless.

I'm going to go ahead and choose grack. I have a pretty strong town read on him and I think the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hand is a good one. If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways.

Rels is obviously going for a hail marry with that team that makes little sense and he showed very little interest in the game early on to suddenly think he conveniently "solved" the game.

On November 08 2018 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you got mad at me because i disagreed with your "there is scum in krogan / rayn kthxbye" sentiment then you should have probably explained it better as i asked you to do and just not ditch the game instead. You provided no reasoning that makes sense to anyone who is town other than posaibly you, and you are, or ahoud be, bright enough to know thats not a convincing argument to oter people than yourself.

On November 08 2018 01:32 kitaman27 wrote:


That's just the fallback plan. Like I said several times, "If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways."

On November 08 2018 02:28 kitaman27 wrote:


That's a good thing since it would mean we would be at 5 liberal and 1 facist.

And if we get really unlucky with the 2 liberal cards at the bottom of the deck then we have the DT fallback, but I think it's like 3.5% chance of happening if everyone was truthful with their draws.

On November 08 2018 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and choose grack. I have a pretty strong town read on him and I think the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hand is a good one. If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways.

On November 08 2018 04:27 byj wrote:
I voted yes, but anybody by chance has the %s of there being FFF?

I still think it's a good plan and not naive =]

On November 08 2018 05:28 byj wrote:

Oh that's high. Because I trust Grack, but I expected the FFF chance to be lower. I don't trust kita enough to leave him a 33% excuse, is it possible to change my vote?

On November 08 2018 05:36 kitaman27 wrote:


There is a 35.5% chance regardless of who is elected.

You can change your vote, but you really shouldn't. It's just going to pass to Rels afterwards who will get downvoted, then passed to rayn who has the same chance of getting FFF.

On November 08 2018 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why do 2/3 scum vote yes to Conversion / rayn government, Rels?

On November 08 2018 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does krogan vouch really hard for 2 fascist team D1? That's probably the dumbest thing ever to do especially if you have town credit, which he did.

Also team conv/rayn, while you can't really attack against it (well you could attack conversion maybe) -- if enabled and passes a liberal policy, is basically a death punch to scum, so i don't see what other options scum had other than try something to get the team rejected, or afk...

On November 03 2018 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you avoiding to actually calling one of us mafia for some shitty "gameplaywise reason" you cant actually answer?

On November 04 2018 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now, if you somehow are fucking town, Conversion is president and is gonna pick either me or krogan, and you think one of us is mafia. So put your money where your mouth is and make a fucking read on which one of us is mafia based on actual analysis. We are the two people with most posts in the game, probably more than every other player combined so if you cannot make reads on us then you are also full of shit.

Play the game if you are town, if you are not, like you most likely arent, you can continue with your bs.

On November 08 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no getting lucky anymore. All i care about is me getting the investigation so i find either conf scum or conf town (which will allow 100% win) so i am gonna vote yes to kita and if this doesnt pass for some reason then i am gonna do my hardest that your team passes. If this passes i am trying my hardest to downvote your team.

Idk, i am sorry of you are town but i have figured out a strategy that wins the game more likely than any other strategy, and every other strategy has downsides. As i said you should have played earlier if you disagree for "i wanna play" because i lose interest in games i have "figured out" already. Sooo... there is that. I dont need to know anything but that conversion is town and the dude i investigate is either town/scum. Thats it.

On November 08 2018 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does krogan vouch really hard for 2 fascist team D1? That's probably the dumbest thing ever to do especially if you have town credit, which he did.

On October 30 2018 18:16 happykrogan wrote:


Maybe Kitaman, because I thought this was towny.



It's not a strong townread, but It's the best thing I have so far.


I understand where you come from here, but I doubt they would try to communicate so obviously.

On October 30 2018 18:18 happykrogan wrote:


Or Maybe they want us to think that idk.
I start to doubt.
I hope that the choice will be easier at deadline.

On October 30 2018 18:58 happykrogan wrote:
Maybe it's not a good idea to choose someone, even with only a little suspicion on him, when we have this little information. Especially if my pick would be based on a very weak read.

On the other hand, if I choose him and he enacts a fascist policy, we could already have two likely scums in him and prplhz.
Do you think kitaman being scum would make prplhz scum?
Do you think prplhz being scum would make kitaman scum? (prplhz might try to throw shade on a townie)
Should I just choose someone else, even without a townread, hoping it makes it more probable to get a liberal?
Does this prplhz kitaman thing matter at all or is it just random stuff people say at early game? (I mean it sounds logical that scum would try to hide innuendos there)

It might seem like a little thing, but we don't have much else to discuss about so far.

On November 08 2018 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not dumb. I will investigate prplhz.

On November 08 2018 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem is there might be some dumb townspeople who can ruin this shit, so i'd rather take my chances on having two chances on passing one team before me than one. If you can convince people to accept you+grack over kita+grack then i can vote no here. It's up to you.

On November 08 2018 09:19 kitaman27 wrote:


lol passing 3 straight liberal policies didn't feel good, but getting a shot at getting elected does? Okay

On November 09 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:










whoooa look at what I just found?! This is game changing.

RELS IS TOTALLY OUTING HIMSELF TO HITLER AT THE START OF THE GAME.

VOTE YES HERE!!!!!!!

On November 09 2018 08:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I assume the team is Kita/Prplhz/Byj and Kita is scum claiming at this point.

On November 09 2018 08:24 prplhz wrote:
i don't really get what's going on

who will you nominate Rels?

On November 08 2018 20:17 happykrogan wrote:

the gain is town cred.
Also it is a potential scenario if it was correct what I assumed the whole game

To your treating players differently
scum knows each other: you asked the question first while byj just made one random post about it
kita/byj kita has a way bigger filter and talked a lot about other things too, his oneliner was: I don't think X is hitler
byj talked in his small filter a lot about hitler and had this random post I think X is scum.because he knows who hitler is
In both cases there is a difference

On November 08 2018 21:40 happykrogan wrote:
And I might be completely blind, but I still haven't found why Rels did scumread kita in the first place. (The only thing I found that he said before he started with his team speculations, is the prplhz-kita connection, which doesn't make sense, if he think's prplhz is hitler)

He mentioned that he scumread kita a few times though, before he started with his team.

On November 09 2018 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels why does purplehaze not want to get himself as chancellor if the team is him/kita/krogan when Grack's only other viable option os Conversion?

On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
Here he re-evaluates Grack now, since a liberal policy passed-- which is in line with "vote whoever yields positive results until shown otherwise." I wonder why he is conveniently ignoring that fact that a Conversion/rayn team yielded a liberal policy? Sure, I could have lied and drawn 2L in liberal!kitaman's eyes, but that is not a fact yet, so should I not be going up if his logic remains consistent?



He thinks a facist was elected, but also thinks that facist player would choose to sabotage if they had the chance, unless they are Hitler.

He seems incredibly focused on that fact that I am the facist player, but by that logic I am also Hitler?? since I did not sabotage?

On November 09 2018 01:55 kitaman27 wrote:


Correction, I know that a facist player was elected. At this point, I'm leaning towards either you being Hitler or prpl being a facist who didn't need to make a choice on d2.



Well I think I made it pretty clear with my latest post that I think you and Rels are connected. Hardly a soft jab.

On November 09 2018 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:




I really think we may have forced Conversion's hand with showing his allegiance to Rels. He lists grack and myself in his top three trustworthy list and since rayn can't be elected, that would mean grack + kita is his ideal team.

Yet a day later when he is suddenly given the choice he decides to favor a Rels + grack team over me with no explanation. People need to pay attention to this if that's how things shake up. Rels team may be more likely to pass, but that's because he has his pair of cronies to back him up. You should vote for the player who is most likely town, not the team that is most likely to pass.

On November 09 2018 04:30 Conversion wrote:
@Rels why did you vote no on D1 government? your filter suggests you wanted Grack/HK as chancellor, and that you pretty much conf-town read rayn for a long time, yet your D1 vote shows you going against it

I'm confused as to why you voted no?

On November 09 2018 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Who else if not Grackaroni?

On November 09 2018 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why didn't you answer to my questions, specifically the krogan one?

On November 10 2018 00:14 happykrogan wrote:

I thought something like: maybe he wants to demonstrate that he doesn't know because he isn't fascist, so he says the wrong thing.

On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote:
Grack I've gone back and forth on. On one hand, he didn't really seem invested in getting elected D1 and even if I he's wrong about his suspicion of me, I can see a viewpoint where a townie thinks that, but on the other hand, I didn't like his early game posting about prpl and picking Rels or conversion seems like the easiest path to rig the deck as president and then pass blame to your scummy looking choice. It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else.

On November 03 2018 07:17 kitaman27 wrote:


This pair excluded two of my top scum reads so it was good enough for me. I don't really care what you think as long as we keep sending the liberal policies through.

On November 08 2018 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:


I think Krogan deserved the town cred from the first election where he had the opportunity to pass FF and claim FFF, where as you had less of a choice. If I had the opportunity now, I'd choose you over krogan since you're still trying to find a path to victory and he has kinda dropped off, but I still think you're both town regardless.

I'm going to go ahead and choose grack. I have a pretty strong town read on him and I think the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hand is a good one. If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways.

Rels is obviously going for a hail marry with that team that makes little sense and he showed very little interest in the game early on to suddenly think he conveniently "solved" the game.

On November 09 2018 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:




I really think we may have forced Conversion's hand with showing his allegiance to Rels. He lists grack and myself in his top three trustworthy list and since rayn can't be elected, that would mean grack + kita is his ideal team.

Yet a day later when he is suddenly given the choice he decides to favor a Rels + grack team over me with no explanation. People need to pay attention to this if that's how things shake up. Rels team may be more likely to pass, but that's because he has his pair of cronies to back him up. You should vote for the player who is most likely town, not the team that is most likely to pass.

On November 09 2018 01:55 kitaman27 wrote:


Well I think I made it pretty clear with my latest post that I think you and Rels are connected. Hardly a soft jab.

On November 09 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:










whoooa look at what I just found?! This is game changing.

RELS IS TOTALLY OUTING HIMSELF TO HITLER AT THE START OF THE GAME.

VOTE YES HERE!!!!!!!

On November 10 2018 01:17 byj wrote:

Citation needed :>

On November 10 2018 01:37 byj wrote:

For what it's worth I haven't been online since my last post, not like you'll believe me, especially since kita asked me to stay

On November 08 2018 05:28 byj wrote:

Oh that's high. Because I trust Grack, but I expected the FFF chance to be lower. I don't trust kita enough to leave him a 33% excuse, is it possible to change my vote?

On November 10 2018 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:








People really need to pay more attention to this.

The single most important part of this game in regards to ones alignment is voting record and election actions.

RELS HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO A SINGLE LIBERAL POLICY BEING PASSED.

He failed the rayn/krogan vote.
He failed the grack/prpl vote.
He didn't vote for conversion and rayn.
He failed the kita/grack vote.

On November 10 2018 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:
He's suddenly "motivated" to play the game. You know why? Because he finally has an opportunity to send a facist policy through. How convenient.

On November 10 2018 02:04 kitaman27 wrote:


I was suspicious of Grack because I didn't like his nomination choices. When he chose not to elect you or conversion I decided to vote for him through (I was the tiebreaker). As for the Conversion is Hitler thing, I would be pretty surprised if Hitler hadn't figured out who his buddies are by now. If I can figure out that you're mafia, it should be pretty obvious to Conversion too considering how much you've propped him up all game and you've never supported a liberal agenda.

On November 10 2018 02:31 prplhz wrote:
What is checkable? Why is it good to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy? If we had all done like you, where would we have been, policy-wise? Are you proud that, by your own metric, at least one in four of your votes was good?

I sort of get how you don't play early game, I think you always do something like that, but painting yourself a hero because you do that makes no sense. And right now your cases seem to be just wild flailing, I don't really understand any of it.

On November 10 2018 03:13 prplhz wrote:

No. What is wrong with winning a game through scum passing 6 liberal policies in an effort to look good to town? And why is it better to vote no to three governments without scum that passes liberal policies than it is to vote yes to a government with scum that passes a liberal policy? I'm having a very hard time understanding this particular thing.

Why is it better to downvote a scum government that passes liberal than to upvote three town governments that passes liberal?

Anyway, scum will always want to pass some liberal policies in the beginning for town cred, so let them.

On November 10 2018 03:32 kitaman27 wrote:


You're not defending it adequately though. Voting no to all four pairings and justifying it by saying one of those 6 players was mafia, doesn't make it okay.

On November 10 2018 03:40 kitaman27 wrote:


My argument is that you haven't contributed to a single liberal policy being passed based on your voting record. There isn't any way to depute that, regardless of how you want to frame it.

On November 11 2018 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are also a hypocrite Rels, you and kitaman both have read byj as town and that's a fucking retarded read.

Now you are using circular reasoning. And i wont quote you my questions because you literally said you saw them ans´d would answer. So fuck you,

On November 11 2018 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It does not help you said you have seen question adressed to you and you would answer them after... And the question i posed was the one you never cared about...

On November 11 2018 12:41 kitaman27 wrote:
lol gj Rels

On November 11 2018 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because i didn't think Grackaroni + Conversion would have a chance to get elected and prplhz looked townie then. I don't know why you are asking about stuff that is very clearly written in my filter.

On November 01 2018 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways i dont think grackaroni should choose conversion as chancellor anyways since conversion is next in line for president.

On November 11 2018 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You want more information when there is a chance to pick other town person over the next one from you. In a same way i adviced krogan to not pick the person next to him.

On November 11 2018 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point you are missing is that even if a fascist policy is enacted it is not the end of the world, often times with a good scum team if you just auto based on what happened the first or second time you simply just lose because you arent making reads instead of just autoing. I think it is quite possible prplhz showed face when he suddenly got elected and kitaman definitely showed face last mission and byj voted yes to kita's team when he had a scumread on kita. I dont care what he says now because it never ever says in his filter he reads kita as town -- actually it says quite the opposite.

Idk, do you think i am scum? It's kinda ridiculous if you do since there is no way in hell town leads this game 4-0 if i am scum since i have heavily contributed to every single government so far (and while i didn't on yours and kitas, i could have simply just most likely get both rejected and just lie that i got 3F on my turn or take 1v1 against well.. basically every player in the game).

On November 12 2018 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's just so ridiculous that you even entertain it, although it doesnt really matter because there is no way we can lost this game.

On November 13 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The thing here is if we do this then krogan gets the investigation and not Grack. Are you okay with it?

On November 13 2018 09:45 byj wrote:
Voting no without knowing my candidate, eh?

On November 13 2018 13:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are we rejecting until grackaroni? I am sprry i fell asleep last night.

On November 13 2018 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i am auto-boting no then.

On November 16 2018 08:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn is just drunk and messing with me.

Kita has 100% mafia claimed from the lord buckethead post to the read between the lines post to voting yes on byj/prplhz while voting no on Rayn/Krogan. There is zero chance that Kita is not mafia so the Rayn post about Kita can't mean anything.

On November 17 2018 10:28 AMG wrote:
Well played everyone, i'm kind of sad it did turn out to be the most obvious solution in byj being the 3rd scum!

I really enjoyed your game this round Rels

On November 17 2018 11:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
By the way, any comments/complaints on the way I ran the second half of the game in terms of deadlines? I don't think I would do it in a mafia type game because of the public voting and being able to pressure people by temporarily voting on them, but I think it lends itself well to a game of this type - especially if Mocsta or I are around to advance the game. Even if activity was higher it could be possible to run the game faster than the strict 24h deadlines. Especially when the president and chancellor are picking cards or someone is nominating a chancellor.

Essentially you have at least 24 hours to finish your actions for the day, but if it ends early you have 24 hours + extra time to do the next thing. But if extra time itself becomes more than 24 hours (so total time is > 48 hours), then you just skip a day in your schedule and move forward.