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[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II

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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 26 2018 16:53 GMT
#28
/in
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 30 2018 13:12 GMT
#92
I would prefer to not elect a president right away to have more time to discuss. Like in resistance
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 30 2018 13:15 GMT
#93
On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?

As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 30 2018 13:18 GMT
#94
On October 30 2018 21:25 prplhz wrote:
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On October 30 2018 18:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. I'll elaborate further later on when i am off work since quoting (and even typing) on phone is like hell for me.

I dont understand prplhz' thought process at all and i think its possibly scummy. I mean the "lets pick townie dudes" but "i kinda wanted to include kita because he seems nice" (being nice has nothing to do with being townie or not).

I dont think kruger and kitaman can be in a same scumteam unless kruger is exactly hitler because of how the interactions on the thread have gone so far. Kruger seems town anyways so i am okay with whatever he picks.

I think kita has a flaw on his resistance proposal, but i dont really think that makes him anything.

My thought process was the other way around, I didn't think "let's elect townie dudes and also kita". I thought "let's elect kita". And then I thought "okay maybe let's elect townie dudes and maybe not kita because he's hard to read and if we elect him now, the doubt it creates will linger for a good while". In my posts I actually say "there are some reasons to not elect kita that applies more to him than to others".

In many elections in mafia, you don't necessarily elect the most townie person, but some combination of townie and skilled. For example for mayor. I just want to elect townie people in this game because the chancellor doesn't actually have to do anything other than push through a liberal policy. He doesn't need to be any good at mafia to do that.

Ok. But I don't understand you townread kita in the first place for being nice. When apparently you think hes a good scum player
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 30 2018 20:31 GMT
#133
On October 31 2018 02:11 happykrogan wrote:
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On October 31 2018 00:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Let me just say it this way:

If I was Hitler and I saw someone say "Maybe we should just elect Grackaroni" I would assume that guy was a fascist.

Maybe I'm just way overthinking it but look:
what if grack is in fact Hitler and sets this up, so the fascists can say exactly that and it appears as they made a joke.

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On October 31 2018 01:38 Conversion wrote:
Maybe we should just elect Grackaroni

he does it and it looks like a joke

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On October 31 2018 01:54 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 01:38 Conversion wrote:
Maybe we should just elect Grackaroni


and he shows that he understood.

What do you think? Still too obvious?

I don't think scum would be this obvious.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 30 2018 20:32 GMT
#134
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 30 2018 21:19 GMT
#140
On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread.

I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 30 2018 21:27 GMT
#144
On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now

What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?

Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 01 2018 01:18 GMT
#274
On October 31 2018 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now

What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?

Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later

Of course i know what you are talking about, i want you to elaborate onto the thought process of how Grack's thought process is townie, because:
1) it doesn't really make much sense if you put yourself into purplehaze's shoes
2) grack basically retracts form it almost immediately

I just thought that while I was reading his post. It's not deeper than that
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:28 GMT
#386
On November 01 2018 12:03 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not really a big fan of Rels. He down voted the first pair after wanting more time for discussion, but hasn't contributed anything meaningful himself.

That being said, none of the alternatives inspire a ton of confidence. I'd ask you to reconsider me, but that's your call.

well, me not playing early game does not mean anything, and you should know. I precisely wanted a few days before any real stuff happening so I could motivate myself to play
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:31 GMT
#387
I wonder if rayn making a decision before he even knew what card would be coming to him makes him town. I know as scum, I would have waited the maximum of time to think, while as town, I would want liberal 100% of the time if available.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:32 GMT
#388
On November 02 2018 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:
It just doesn't really make any sense. You're accusing me of knowingly choosing the players that appear the scummiest in thread but if they are actually the scummiest looking players then my team will just be rejected anyway.

yeah this is a very stupid accusation
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:37 GMT
#389
On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
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On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?



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On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.

Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.


I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.

I think this is a very townie post. But I think you're wrong about the way to play this game. We don't ever get 100% reliable info - even 2 liberal could get a fascist policy passed with some bad luck. Passing liberal policies should be the number one objective, over taking risks and getting information.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:40 GMT
#391
On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:
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On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.

And at least we will get informationout of it.


Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are.


As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote.
Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate

Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples:
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On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:
On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?

As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?


Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread.

I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for.


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On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now

What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?

Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later

I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything

Usually true, not true at all for me. Read my past games for proof.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:41 GMT
#392
On November 03 2018 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 03 2018 03:55 Conversion wrote:
sorry-- I meant to say if this government doesn't get passed, I still think I can't vote you or HK

That's true.

Grackaroni i would like you to vote yes. I am -- like you -- more certain of conversion being town than prplhz but i really think this is a correct way to do this. Worst case scenario you get FFF (which also conversion will if you reject). Second worse scenario is prplhz is scum, but then you will have 1v1 against him. Third worse scenario, he elects liberal (or is town)....

Meh.. if you think Conversion is town, then you should vote yes now. Always unless you are completely sure prplhz is mafia.

??? If you're more sure of Conv than prp, you should tell him to vote NO and get Conv / Grack next round.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:50 GMT
#393
On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote:
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On October 31 2018 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh i am going to try be more clear, sorry, explaining shit is not my strong suit.

So purplehaze, this is what bothers me:

- You have taken part to discussion of how governments should be elected and imo come to conclusion that we should elect townie people.
- After the above has happened, you ask "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?"
- When krogan asks you "why do you ask that?", you answer:
It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not.


The last quote doesn't make any sense unless you were, at the time of when you asked "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?", thinking of electing kitaman, but both your answer (in the last quote), and how you took part to the discussion earlier disagrees with that.

No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something.

I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was

1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters)
2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter)
3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant)

Regardless of the kita thing, which I still think is suspicious, the bolded screams of "I am scum and I need an easy subject to talk about".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:52 GMT
#394
rayn, in resistance, a landslide vote on the first mission like we had here can point to the team containing a spy. Is it also usually true in Hitler game ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:53 GMT
#397
On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote:
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On November 03 2018 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If this government gets passed you can elect me/hk, conversion.

Prplhz any reads? Why is grack scum?

Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines.

He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos.

His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good.

I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me.

I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town.

I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening.

So. You think Grack is scum, but you still want your duo to pass ? That makes no sense to me. You should be thinking that he's setting you up for failure with what you're writing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:58 GMT
#399
prp's filter is so scummy it's unbelievable.
- easy to talk about subjects (townie people should be elected, talk about number of cards, etc.)
- this stuff with kita that makes no sense at the beginning
- thinking Grack is scum, but still wanting Grack / him to be elected, even though in that case he himself says he only has 26% chance to get liberal passing
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 02 2018 20:59 GMT
#400
On November 03 2018 05:57 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 05:50 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh i am going to try be more clear, sorry, explaining shit is not my strong suit.

So purplehaze, this is what bothers me:

- You have taken part to discussion of how governments should be elected and imo come to conclusion that we should elect townie people.
- After the above has happened, you ask "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?"
- When krogan asks you "why do you ask that?", you answer:
It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not.


The last quote doesn't make any sense unless you were, at the time of when you asked "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?", thinking of electing kitaman, but both your answer (in the last quote), and how you took part to the discussion earlier disagrees with that.

No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something.

I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was

1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters)
2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter)
3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant)

Regardless of the kita thing, which I still think is suspicious, the bolded screams of "I am scum and I need an easy subject to talk about".

are you seriously going to open up this dumb this again

and not even quoting the original post, but the post where i explained the original post. you're not posting the post where i said something but the post where i said that i said something.

so ? Does that change anything ?
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