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On November 07 2018 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sentinel, what if there is a situation where the current president would get an ability by 2nd, 3rd, or so on fascist policy being enacted, but the policy is enacted by election tracker going to three, who gets to use the ability? I am not that familiar with the rules so it would be nice if we'd get a GM confirmation on what happens then.
If a policy is topdecked (election tracker goes to 3) the president does NOT get to use any power because no president has actually been elected. To use a power, the president and chancellor must be elected the normal way, and a fascist policy must be enacted.
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On November 07 2018 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why has byj been pro-Grackaroni?
Feels townie especially with how Election #2 went, seems very genuine, especially with supposedly discarding the F from LLF
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On November 07 2018 05:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Cool.
There was at least one facist who has been elected so far, which means they either chose not to sabotage or didn't have an opportunity to sabotage. I think the facist player would usually choose to sabotage if they have the opportunity, unless they are Hitler.
Unless things really, really spiral out of control it seems unlikely that we'd hit 6 facist policies. The path to victory seems to be pretty straight forward and we have a dt check as a safe guard for when we eventually hit FFF. If we get a town result, that gives us a decent way to avoid Hitler as chancellor for half of the elections.
Either Krogan or Grack for me this cycle. I'm going to re-read one more time before I decide to see if I can figure out who the elected facist might be.
just a thought, maybe it's the dude that got two liberal policies ? 
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On November 07 2018 09:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like idk, i have a very hard time believing you basically think all mafia have voted yes all the time in almost all-town missions....
if prp is Hitler and kita is scum, most of the game makes sense. Kita voting YES to the prp team, then voting no to the last team. Last scum being in byj / krogan
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I disagree with your plan rayn. I understand that it's different from your point of view, but from mine it's very likely that scum is prp / kita / byj / krogan. Yes we might have a bad luck on the next draw, but it's only a 35% chance.
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actually byj looks like a townie doing its own thing
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On November 03 2018 08:59 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:23 Grackaroni wrote:On November 02 2018 23:21 kitaman27 wrote:On November 02 2018 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I aisi have absolutely zero idea how anyone could ever think byj is even remotely townie, so that read of yours sounds like bs. Unless you have some extremely through meta-analysis. I went by his single game in the database: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=byjDude had a bunch of 1 liners, didn't really care how he looked, and ended up getting mislynched as town. I definitely don't feel good about having him in my top 4, but I think he looks slightly better than prpl at the moment and is more of an afk than having done anything inherently scummy so far. +1 to this. How do you guys feel now? Shouldn't I be practically scum now, due to not talking but voting?
On November 03 2018 23:10 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 10:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Are you trying to refute my post or something? o.O Asking for updates, not refuting
On November 04 2018 02:33 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 00:23 happykrogan wrote:
Why didn't you talk but vote?
It depends why you did as it was obviously intentional. Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Why did you vote no without saying anything? What do you guys think the reason is? Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
I forgot that there's probably still a lot of confusion among mafia whether prplhz/I are town or not. Among hitler you mean?
On November 04 2018 08:01 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:
Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now? Scroll up? I literally just said the opposite? Either way I PM'd [UoN], let's see what he has to say. First I want an answer from you 
On November 04 2018 09:05 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 08:25 happykrogan wrote:
Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now? Scroll up? I literally just said the opposite? Either way I PM'd [UoN], let's see what he has to say. First I want an answer from you
No you didn't
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https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538533-secret-hitler-act-i-take-ii?page=25#481
The fact that you are the first one mentioning it makes it NAI until you explain it.
I mean it seems like you wanted to do something with it. It was obvioulsy sonething you planned so I have to know what you planned.
NAI? So what do you think I planned?
On November 04 2018 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Anyone watching blizzcon?
Only watched the BW stuff, but think it's all over now[/QUOTE]
On November 04 2018 09:09 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 08:25 happykrogan wrote:On November 04 2018 09:05 byj wrote:On November 04 2018 08:25 happykrogan wrote:
Scroll up? I literally just said the opposite? Either way I PM'd [UoN], let's see what he has to say.
First I want an answer from you No you didn't https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538533-secret-hitler-act-i-take-ii?page=25#481Show nested quote +
The fact that you are the first one mentioning it makes it NAI until you explain it.
I mean it seems like you wanted to do something with it. It was obvioulsy sonething you planned so I have to know what you planned.
NAI? So what do you think I planned? Only watched the BW stuff, but think it's all over now Fixed quotes now
On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:Thanks <3 Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded. <3 Probably the game before that What makes you think they don't serve a purpose? Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 21:32 happykrogan wrote:
but I acknowledge that you might think you had a good plan. I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).
On November 05 2018 22:51 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 20:33 happykrogan wrote:
A plan you still didn't share with us. So what was your plan? Or your fake plan to cover up the actual plan which was finding people that would defend your fake plan. Is getting reads onto people not a plan? Show nested quote +
Also don't you think it's more probable that scum would attack you on this?
The second half of your post looks like your reasoning for scum potentially defending you, is that Rels and Conversion are targets that are easier to push for mafia, so you have to think they're town. There are only 3 Scums, so 'having a solid scumread' against 3 as Scum would be sub-optimal, since then you'd pretty much expected to vote for everyone else. So max. 2 townies, but likely more, if you're Hitler, or pretending to play against other Fascists. Show nested quote +But then you say you don't think they have to be innocent so your whole post doesn't make sense. I really don't get the logic in that conclusion, care to elaborate?
On November 06 2018 02:50 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 23:11 happykrogan wrote:
For people defending your bait plan, you need to tell us your plan first. If your plan is just: Let's look for people defending my plan, no one will be defend your fake/bait plan because you never told it.
You can react to it either way. It's just that people don't seem to want to do so. Show nested quote +
You think scum would defend you because it is easier to push rels and Conversion. Therefore you have to have a townread on both of them.Then you proceed to say you don't have a townread on them.
Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 23:19 happykrogan wrote:
Hitler would not out himself anyways because scum knows him. It would be a communication attempt to see who the other fascists are. Instead of just waiting for them to communicate to him?
all this talk about this "plan" seems just so naïve. I wouldn't expect any scum to think it would be a good thing to talk about for a thousand posts.
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On November 04 2018 05:07 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2018 04:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The game consists of 8 players in total:
1 player is Hitler.
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.
There is no QT for any of the fascists. All communication is in-thread.
Hitler does not not know. Not the fascist don't know. So they probably know each other... At least I thought so the whole game.
On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't Oh you're right There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are. So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk.
The bolded is ridiculous. First, what possible gain would scum would have to lie about something so easily disproved ?
Second, there is a disconnect between your two posts. In the first, you say to have assumed that fascists know each other, but you're not 100% sure. In the second post, you're so sure that fascists know each other, so you accuse someone else of lying about it. That makes no sense.
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Plus, I'm realizing you're treating me and byj differently, when we made the almost same post. Me:
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't
On November 04 2018 05:07 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2018 04:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The game consists of 8 players in total:
1 player is Hitler.
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.
There is no QT for any of the fascists. All communication is in-thread.
Hitler does not not know. Not the fascist don't know. So they probably know each other... At least I thought so the whole game.
byj:
On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't Oh you're right Show nested quote +There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are. So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise
On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't Oh you're right There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are. So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now? I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk.
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WOW I think I got something big. If the team is really prp / kita / krogan, they really showed face during the D2 vote, the first time of the game I did some real posts and attacked prp pretty hard. If I'm right about the team, krogan was pressured to voting NO:
On November 03 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I may change my vote to no.
prplhz listening stuff why Grack is scummy after he got elected at chancellor seems like setting up a 1v1 after a scum policy gets enacted.
Just realized that.
Then rayn says he thinks prp is town:
On November 03 2018 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am pretty sure purplehaze is town.
That seems to boost kita and krogan's confidence into very carefully voting YES:
On November 03 2018 06:44 kitaman27 wrote:
lol I've submitted pass and fail 4 different times and I'm still not sure which to go with.
I'm at pass at the moment.
On November 03 2018 06:45 happykrogan wrote:
I think whatever I choose it will feel like the wrong thing in the end...
On November 03 2018 06:48 happykrogan wrote:
Whatever... changing to pass again...
You can go reread these pages (page 20-22). It really looks like this short, noargument rayn post gave confidence to kita and krogan to push for a YES vote to get prp elected. Even though krogan listed a good reason as to why prp was scummy, and prp was not answering well to my attack.
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This also makes no sense to me. Another example of treating two players differently, when those players have done a similar thing.
kita makes a random post about Hitler, byj attacks kita on it. happykrogan finds byj's attack weak, saying "Your reasoning is just the post seems out of place and had the word hitler in it ?"
On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.
On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler. Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?
On November 01 2018 06:27 happykrogan wrote:
Also I don't get how kitaman's post would make sense as a scum reveal to hitler.
On November 01 2018 06:29 happykrogan wrote:
Your reasoning is just the post seems out of place and had the word hitler in it?
But later in the game, he takes this same post of byj, and now is attaking byj of maybe being Hitler, for two reasons:
- voting but not talking could be seen as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. That makes no sense, since Hitler doesn't have anything to communicate to his buddies ?
- for talking a lot about Hitler - the same reasonning he dismissed earlier when byj attacked kita for it.
On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:Actually I think byj could very well be hitler. (which would be kind of funny because he is austrian) A lot of his filter hints at this imo. The whole voting but not talking thing I could interpret as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. Also he is talking a lot about hitler. Like almost half of his serious posts. Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler. Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is? Or maybe this is true for himself, and he is a normal fascist but one way or the other and I don't think I will ever vote him this game.
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yeah having finished reasing byj and happykrogan's filter, I think byj is town and happykrogan is scum. I expected the opposite to happen when I started reading them. p:
I quoted the more damning things above about happykrogan. But even more than that, he posts a lot, but most of his reads are very surface level. He has a lot of posts, but not a lot of reads that are interesting. His "byj is Hitler" post above is one of the exception, as in it's a pretty interesting one, but as said above it doesn't match with his previous stance. His post about prp D2 is also a good read, but he ends up dismissing it and voting YES to the prp team for no apparent reason.
The rest is pretty bland. Attacking me because I made lazy oneliners and because my thought process didn't show in the posts I wrote, even though, I told him multiple times that it's actually a town tell for me. Attacking byj about his "plan". The stuff he attacks Conversion with is pretty weak too.
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well I now know the pain of being in the Americas in this forum  going to sleep
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On November 07 2018 12:05 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2018 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why has byj been pro-Grackaroni? Feels townie especially with how Election #2 went, seems very genuine, especially with supposedly discarding the F from LLF
Why does Grackaroni look more town than any other president? Like Grackaroni literally should get less town credit from his actions than any other president so far because passing 2L is less townie than passing 1F1L. I am amused how you come to this conclusion and it's your pretty much ONLY conclusion in this game.
Explain to me, if prplhz is town what does it matter if Grackaroni as scum gives him one or two liberal cards???
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I gotta go to work. kitaman i am going to vote yes to your team if you pick Grackaroni.
I am probably going to downvote rels' team regardless of what he does. He does make a little bit sense but i am sorry i just am not going to straight up trust anyone who starts playing a week after the game starts.
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On November 07 2018 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I gotta go to work. kitaman i am going to vote yes to your team if you pick Grackaroni.
I am probably going to downvote rels' team regardless of what he does. He does make a little bit sense but i am sorry i just am not going to straight up trust anyone who starts playing a week after the game starts.
Stop being irrational please
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Its your fault ig you dont play for a week, not mine.
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On November 07 2018 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its your fault ig you dont play for a week, not mine.
The goal of the game is to win, not to punish rayn s arbitrary activity thresholds. Stop being irrational
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And that's also not true at all. You are the biggest problem to me on this game. I've started playing seriously D2, getting along with a few people, then you were irrational already and didn't communicate with me because reasons. That makes no sense
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On November 07 2018 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The possibility of drawing FFF is 6/8 x 5/7 x 4/6 which is approx 35,7%
So about 65% of the time we hit at least one liberal (well i'd stop right away if we get liberal anyways).
If we happen to hit FFF the deck is resuffled.
Second fascist policy goes to krogan who i believe is town, he gets the investigation. I would trust the result. krogan can investigate kitaman.
Third fascist policy goes to kitaman, in case he is town. If not then we will do something else but we know kitaman (or at least one of krogan / kitaman) is mafia.
Is there anyone who believes that krogan is mafia? Because in my opinion from the presidents (if you think someone is mafia there) Grackaroni looks the worst for not passing FL instead of LL (passibg FL to prplhz is the correct play there). That's not much, but still a possiblilty, i would find it more likely that mafia are just rels/byj/kitaman/(prplhz).
Is this post still your current reads ? You've just said you would be voting yes to kita grack. Why do you want to vote YES to 2 people that you think are more likely to be scum than 4 other people ? When you could just wait for your turn and nominzyr whoever you want
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