EPT[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II - Page 6
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On November 09 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: whoooa look at what I just found?! This is game changing. RELS IS TOTALLY OUTING HIMSELF TO HITLER AT THE START OF THE GAME. VOTE YES HERE!!!!!!! LOOOL And they're porbably fake too, at least I'm 99% sure I didn't write the "read between lines" line | ||
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On November 09 2018 08:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ELECTION 5 President kitaman27 and Chancellor Grackaroni have been rejected from office! The Election tracker moves up by one. Here are the votes: 1. happykrogan - Nein! 2. Grackaroni - Nein! 3. Conversion - Nein! 4. kitaman27 - Ja! 5. Rels - Nein! 6. raynpelikoneet - Ja! 7. byj - Ja! 8. prplhz - Ja! It is Rels's turn to be the presidential candidate and select a candidate for chancellor. This selection must be made in , after which everyone will get to vote. Due to term limits, Conversion and raynpelikoneet are ineligible to be chosen as chancellor. just before deadline too. It's a "joke" to could have swayed a vote in his favor, and that he can now say it's a joke. Nice play TBH | ||
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On November 09 2018 08:16 Grackaroni wrote: I assume the team is Kita/Prplhz/Byj and Kita is scum claiming at this point. yep, seems like it | ||
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On November 09 2018 08:24 prplhz wrote: i don't really get what's going on who will you nominate Rels? Grack most likely | ||
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On November 08 2018 20:17 happykrogan wrote: the gain is town cred. Also it is a potential scenario if it was correct what I assumed the whole game To your treating players differently scum knows each other: you asked the question first while byj just made one random post about it kita/byj kita has a way bigger filter and talked a lot about other things too, his oneliner was: I don't think X is hitler byj talked in his small filter a lot about hitler and had this random post I think X is scum.because he knows who hitler is In both cases there is a difference OK for the second point. For the first point, I don't see how it gives him any town cred ? | ||
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On November 08 2018 21:40 happykrogan wrote: And I might be completely blind, but I still haven't found why Rels did scumread kita in the first place. (The only thing I found that he said before he started with his team speculations, is the prplhz-kita connection, which doesn't make sense, if he think's prplhz is hitler) He mentioned that he scumread kita a few times though, before he started with his team. it's true that I never did a post summarizing my thoughts on him. Will do so at some point | ||
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On November 09 2018 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels why does purplehaze not want to get himself as chancellor if the team is him/kita/krogan when Grack's only other viable option os Conversion? In general, prp's power swaying decision this game is pretty null, so he can say whatever he wants, even if it's not what he really thinks, that won't change a lot. For the situation you're talking about in particular, I have no idea right now. He did get selected as chancellor D2 though, so whatever opposition he made must have been pretty unsuccesful. I remember him bitching against Grack but wanting their team to pass anyway - that's why I scumread him in the first place. I don't remember him not wanting to get selected before the selection had been done. Link to the part of the thread where it happened if you want my put on it. | ||
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On November 09 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote: Here he re-evaluates Grack now, since a liberal policy passed-- which is in line with "vote whoever yields positive results until shown otherwise." I wonder why he is conveniently ignoring that fact that a Conversion/rayn team yielded a liberal policy? Sure, I could have lied and drawn 2L in liberal!kitaman's eyes, but that is not a fact yet, so should I not be going up if his logic remains consistent? He thinks a facist was elected, but also thinks that facist player would choose to sabotage if they had the chance, unless they are Hitler. He seems incredibly focused on that fact that I am the facist player, but by that logic I am also Hitler?? since I did not sabotage? That's a fantastic point if it's really what happened. He said that he thinks an elected people is scum, the obvious answer is prp, yet he still scumreads you more for some reason. It's even worse for him if he really thinks you're Hitler, since I remember him pushing Rels / Conversion at some point - but that's a thing I want to fact check too. | ||
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On November 09 2018 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Correction, I know that a facist player was elected. At this point, I'm leaning towards either you being Hitler or prpl being a facist who didn't need to make a choice on d2. Well I think I made it pretty clear with my latest post that I think you and Rels are connected. Hardly a soft jab. So you're saying that Conversion is Hitler. You're also saying that Conversion is connected to me because Conversion changed his read on me for no reason: On November 09 2018 00:15 kitaman27 wrote: I really think we may have forced Conversion's hand with showing his allegiance to Rels. He lists grack and myself in his top three trustworthy list and since rayn can't be elected, that would mean grack + kita is his ideal team. Yet a day later when he is suddenly given the choice he decides to favor a Rels + grack team over me with no explanation. People need to pay attention to this if that's how things shake up. Rels team may be more likely to pass, but that's because he has his pair of cronies to back him up. You should vote for the player who is most likely town, not the team that is most likely to pass. But that can't happen if you think Conversion is Hitler, since he doesn't know I'm fascist in that scenario. | ||
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On November 09 2018 04:30 Conversion wrote: @Rels why did you vote no on D1 government? your filter suggests you wanted Grack/HK as chancellor, and that you pretty much conf-town read rayn for a long time, yet your D1 vote shows you going against it I'm confused as to why you voted no? I hate early game. Any read I had D1 can be thrown out. I don't remember what I've said on rayn early game, but I'm pretty sure I didn't townread him D1. The dude has fooled me more than anyone else on this forum, and I have a very hard time reading him, except when he gets angry at me. But that's not the reason I voted NO. I just wanted more time to get motivated and play. | ||
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Grack, then Conversion, then krogan. | ||
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On November 09 2018 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also why didn't you answer to my questions, specifically the krogan one? Quote them | ||
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On November 10 2018 00:14 happykrogan wrote: I thought something like: maybe he wants to demonstrate that he doesn't know because he isn't fascist, so he says the wrong thing. OK, a fake dumbtell. Fair enough. | ||
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Let's get to examples. On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote: Grack I've gone back and forth on. On one hand, he didn't really seem invested in getting elected D1 and even if I he's wrong about his suspicion of me, I can see a viewpoint where a townie thinks that, but on the other hand, I didn't like his early game posting about prpl and picking Rels or conversion seems like the easiest path to rig the deck as president and then pass blame to your scummy looking choice. It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else. Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place. On November 03 2018 07:17 kitaman27 wrote: This pair excluded two of my top scum reads so it was good enough for me. I don't really care what you think as long as we keep sending the liberal policies through. This post is to justify his Grack / prp YES vote. Even though Grack is in the bottom of his list at first, then later in the middle tier; even though prp is also in his middle tier; he still votes YES. The correct play in his position with his reads would be to vote NO there, vote NO to Conversion's team, and have his team auto-accepted due to the 3 votes limit. But he voted YES. Most likely because his buddy prp was on the team. On November 08 2018 01:22 kitaman27 wrote: I think Krogan deserved the town cred from the first election where he had the opportunity to pass FF and claim FFF, where as you had less of a choice. If I had the opportunity now, I'd choose you over krogan since you're still trying to find a path to victory and he has kinda dropped off, but I still think you're both town regardless. I'm going to go ahead and choose grack. I have a pretty strong town read on him and I think the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hand is a good one. If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways. Rels is obviously going for a hail marry with that team that makes little sense and he showed very little interest in the game early on to suddenly think he conveniently "solved" the game. Here he's justifying his Grack nomination. He's saying that "he thinks the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hands is a good one". The problem is, it doesn't make sense at all if he's town. The DT check makes sense for people outside of him, to have a failback plan in case kita is scum. But if kita is town, it means that: - if a liberal policy is passed, the DT plan doesn't work - if a fascist policy is passed, it means kita has gotten FFF; in that scenario, the chance of rayn also getting FFF are extremely low. So he couldn't have thought that as town. Fair disclosure, when pushed for some of these points, he explained them with reasonnable, logical answers. But I'm claiming that he couldn't have thought of them in the first place if he was town. Another thing Conversion bought up yesterday and is very true. kita said multiple times that he knows one of the elected official is scum, which is a fact if he's town since there has been 5 elected people and he's not been part of them. He's hesitating between Conversion Hitler or prp fascist. This is a little weird to me since the fact points more at prp being forced to elect a liberal policy, but OK. The problem with this claimed mindset is this: On November 09 2018 00:15 kitaman27 wrote: I really think we may have forced Conversion's hand with showing his allegiance to Rels. He lists grack and myself in his top three trustworthy list and since rayn can't be elected, that would mean grack + kita is his ideal team. Yet a day later when he is suddenly given the choice he decides to favor a Rels + grack team over me with no explanation. People need to pay attention to this if that's how things shake up. Rels team may be more likely to pass, but that's because he has his pair of cronies to back him up. You should vote for the player who is most likely town, not the team that is most likely to pass. On November 09 2018 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Well I think I made it pretty clear with my latest post that I think you and Rels are connected. Hardly a soft jab. He's claiming that Conversion is showing his allegiance to me. The problem is that he also thinks Conversion is Hitler, and Hitler doesn't know his buddies! This shouldn't make sense in his view of the game. I think that happend because he is forcing himself to keep his Conversion scumread, since if he would let it go he would have to scumread prp, which is probably the real Hitler. But in trying to come up with reasons to scumread Conversion, he created one that didn't match his claimed view of the game. Finally, the hail mary yesterday. He faked some of my posts LITERALLY 1 MINUTE before the deadline, so there wouldn't be time for them to be fact checked. He later claim he was just messing with people, but that's a very convenient joke that could have make the difference between him being elected or not. On November 09 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: whoooa look at what I just found?! This is game changing. RELS IS TOTALLY OUTING HIMSELF TO HITLER AT THE START OF THE GAME. VOTE YES HERE!!!!!!! He's quoting a prp post first, but I think this post was trying to get one of Conversion, krogan or Grack to switch. | ||
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