Newbie Student Mafia XXIX - Page 3

On September 12 2018 00:40 Vivax wrote:
I'm here now.

Before I start getting back to posting about people in particular and who I think is mafia and not: I got a roleblock notification.

On September 12 2018 00:49 Qatol wrote:

I don't see the post you're pointing to as being a scumread, more like calling Sergio out for not explaining his actions better. Koshi did push Sergio, but only as a conditional (i.e., if Holyflare then Sergiovan). Wouldn't that mean the mafia has every reason to leave Koshi alive and let him push holyflare for lynch day 2? I am not defending Sergio by any means, but I like arguments that make sense to me and this one doesn't.

You said you are looking for reasons Koshi was killed and the strongest reason you can think of is because either Sergio or I am scum. You pointed out that he went after Sergio and myself. You mentioned HolyFlare is the best mafia player on the site. He was pushing me harder than anyone else. Further, Holyflare's very last post said this:

Why aren't you pushing me? Why Sergio?

On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.

It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.

Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.

But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).

On September 12 2018 01:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oh shit

On September 12 2018 01:13 Qatol wrote:
rayn, I haven't forgotten you. I think you overstate your case a little bit, but you have a couple of good points.

You've played enough games to know that people will sometimes vote for the person that was being accused by the night kill target. I can absolutely see a townie voting for Sergio based on Koshi's posts (even though I think Koshi's argument has fallen apart). I don't think he ever said he was voting Sergio based on HF's reads (though why isn't he looking at HF's reads more closely if he thinks HF is a better player than Koshi? just because of the night kill?)

Easily your strongest point is this:

I absolutely agree on this point and would like Kelsier to explain the logic behind this point. At the end of the day, everyone in this game signed up to play. If they are at all interested in playing more in the future, why wouldn't they try to dodge a modkill? This looks to me like a push to, at best (assuming proportional inactives between the mafia and town), to take a shot in the dark prayer, hoping to hit mafia.

I would like to see Kelsier respond to some of these points before I vote him though.

On a related point, I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks that lynching an inactive at this point is the best policy. We have no way to identify whether they are town or mafia whatsoever, except by process of elimination. Plus we know that at least someone from the mafia is participating in the game (or there wouldn't have been a night kill). The odds are simply not behind a blind shot in the dark.

On September 12 2018 01:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Game started

Ok I think the early Kaley votes were stupid, I'd say people who went after Koshi D1 look ok since scum don't usually like to shoot into someone they're trying to mislynch. I really really want to feel good about Qatol but its been so long since I've seen him play or read any games with him.. Depending on how much time I have to read today before the cycle ends I may end up picking a Koshi read and sheeping that.

On September 12 2018 15:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm gonna blatantly setup speculate right now and say that RoL is honestly probably town which is keeping him from being modkilled otherwise town would have already lost. Since it looks like Qatol is right and we'll be lylo tomorrow, I'd really not like to spend that lynch on an inactive.

I really think we should be focusing on Rels, I didn't really like any of his activity today. I have some other dumb speculative reasons but I'll type out a longer post tomorrow. I had a 13 hour flying day today so I need to go to bed.

On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.

It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.

Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.

But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).

On September 13 2018 08:27 Qatol wrote:
Just to be clear, ##vote Rels

On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:

What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333?

As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree.

On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:

I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red).

On September 13 2018 20:07 prplhz wrote:
#316



Here he says that he is voting for Sergovian but he's down with lynching into some AFK people semi randomly.

#327



Here he says kind of the same, he'll lynch anyone except "you" (Qatol) and raynpelikoneet.

#537



Now suddenly he wants to lynch Qatol. Even though Qatol was one of the only two people he didn't want to lynch before and even though the reasonable (setting himself up to lynch semi-arbitrarily into AFK people) was the exact same thing as KelsierSC was doing.

Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone.

I guess this is sort of what raynpelikoneet already complained about but I'm slow.

Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone.