[M] Mafia For Busy People

On June 09 2018 08:06 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure I have been town a lot of times in a row now.
Going to attempt to make my first vote on a townie and all next votes on mafia.
For a change.

On June 09 2018 22:07 Mocsta wrote:
i sense you are angry HF

On June 09 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
You dont think its weird to dig for quotes from 2015?

Too stupid to be conceived pregame and too much effort for a game we are too busy to play.

On June 09 2018 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you stapf this pls....

On June 09 2018 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is weird.

On June 10 2018 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not for a second believe Palmars read is genuine.

On June 10 2018 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:

Yes indeed

Superbia
Palmar
RELS??

On June 10 2018 02:53 iamperfection wrote:

solid day 1 case

i agree

dont know about koshi

##vote raynpelikoneet

On June 10 2018 03:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Count me in on the rayn is mafia bandwagon.

First dude to whine about the thread not being on track is usually mafia trying to make a town post or a try hard townie and there is nothing to suggest the latter so far.

On June 10 2018 15:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I can see you actually believing that since you haven't been in a game with me lately. I don't actually say things i don't mean, and i don't actually say things i won't follow up on. I don't think i do that even as mafia, and the way i posted about Palmar i most likely post as either alignment, i for sure know i do as town as i just did. The truth is i expected more to have happened yesterday, even early on, since the playerbase in this game is quite competitive, but apparently these games with "good" players nowadays are a shitfest or a dick measuring contest where most of the people think they don't need to actually play, or even don't try to play with the time they have. I also slept most of the yesterday and given the game state at the time i just didn't care enough to post, so there is that.

But yeah well, you can believe your story or you can believe mine. I don't really care i am just here for the puzzle.

On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.

On June 11 2018 03:37 fuba wrote:

I'm glad someone is suspicious of me - too many people saying they like me on D1 is weird.

And I do believe it - that's the kind of thing I'll say as town but have never thought to say as mafia. And it's not just talking in absolutes - it's defending yourself in absolutes. Different thing.

On June 11 2018 01:55 fuba wrote:
I overestimated the amount of time I'd have to play this morning :/

Still don't think rayn is scum. Nor Kita. Wary of voting palmar this early cuz if he's town he could solve the game, but I guess that applies to half the people in this game. My HF vote was a joke, but I'm not sure about him atm either (don't really have a read of him).

I'd probably be up for voting most of the other people on the list tho :/

To elaborate somewhat on rayn - I think his reactions after being voted are pretty townie, and I tend to find absolutes when defending yourself to be a townie trait. Like "there's no way that's a scum tell because I said it and I'm town". Won't hold up over the course of the game, but for now it's enough for me to town read him.

On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote:

Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs*

On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching.

On June 11 2018 05:20 fuba wrote:
And I'm talking about rayn so much because I feel he's town. What's bad about not wanting a mislynch?

On June 11 2018 07:16 fuba wrote:

"But I think he is."***

On June 11 2018 07:58 fuba wrote:
Mmmm...

On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote:
try hard vote. its parsed to meaningless fluff the content and appear more "analytical" that what it is

mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.

mafia!kitamin presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont argument.
its a core facet of the game to confront ppl hunting you. kitamin calls this scummy on the pretense of 3-4 others pressuring.. well fuck me, thats about as standard play as you can get.. why is this now leaning??

scum!kita.. thats why

+

future point. acknowledges slender is a friend of rayn. Is actively hunting rayn, so i suspect should be asking for rayn for feedback if slender posts content

On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn.

What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy.

On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.

you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.

we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.

the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls.

On June 11 2018 08:36 Holyflare wrote:


I am not berating everyone. I am berating specifically the people that have had no opinion or an exaggerated opinion of someone (such as yourself) and have done something that is scummy.

Your kita case was extremely poor and not in a townie way. It's not that you misinterpreted anything, it's that you have taken specifically non-scummy posts and tried to misconstrue them to be scummy actions. Not only that but if your case is against kitamin and that he is mafia then naturally your vote would always be siding WITH rayn but never ever do you cite that rayn has a case against kita or that it's a good point in his favour. Instead, you just say meek things like "Oh, palmar had a lightly scummy post against kita... that's bad" and "rayn is ride or die with his reads, no scum would do that!"

The above are just basic mafia faux pas that I see quite consistently. You're not thinking from a perspective about finding people that agree with you and narrowing things down, you're seeing the black and white and trying to blend in with what you think SHOULD be said.

Then there's Grack. He's afkd the majority of the game (I mean, who hasn't?) but he returns and says that he'd rather vote rayn than palmar after literally just voting iamperfection.

+ Show Spoiler [grack filter] +

His justification is that he was "pre-empting" rayn being lynched and him not being on the wagon. So, he thought rayn was actually being lynched and he was ALREADY pre-justifying not killing rayn. For what reason does he ever need to post that other than him caring about how he looks? He's literally at 0 content, likes the guy that has hard defended rayn (even though 90% of grack's filter is "digging" about rayn's meta (can you even call that one post digging?) and he wanted to lynch rayn (so why does he like fuba when fuba is definitely not the fuba of last game? who actually knows?).

On June 11 2018 01:55 fuba wrote:
I overestimated the amount of time I'd have to play this morning :/

Still don't think rayn is scum. Nor Kita. Wary of voting palmar this early cuz if he's town he could solve the game, but I guess that applies to half the people in this game. My HF vote was a joke, but I'm not sure about him atm either (don't really have a read of him).

I'd probably be up for voting most of the other people on the list tho :/

To elaborate somewhat on rayn - I think his reactions after being voted are pretty townie, and I tend to find absolutes when defending yourself to be a townie trait. Like "there's no way that's a scum tell because I said it and I'm town". Won't hold up over the course of the game, but for now it's enough for me to town read him.

On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote:

Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs*

On June 11 2018 01:57 fuba wrote:
Though having just seen the vote count - that's a lot of pretty good players on one person... Unless they're all scum (or even 2/3 of them are scum) I could just be wrong :S

On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.

how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.

secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.

Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.

There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.

#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player?

On June 09 2018 20:30 Mocsta wrote:
Y so srs hf?

Lemme give you top tip
kita is mafia for going to the effort of splitting kelsier post into mini quotes

BiG job right thurr.. and for what???

On June 09 2018 23:33 Mocsta wrote:
Lol. Koshi calling rels town ?!?!?

On June 10 2018 00:08 Mocsta wrote:
Yo ksc

Keep belittling your own posts bro

Supa townie, amirite

On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.

you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.

we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.

the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls.

On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.

how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.

secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.

Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.

There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.

#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player?

On June 11 2018 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
#217
stop trying so much and you might see the forest instead of the trees.

i didnt mention kita joke post when i was seeking consolidation on him towards EoD.

koshi said his first vote would be on town. He voted rels. THis is why i commented, is koshi declaring rels a town read?

kelsier belittled his own contribution by claiming it was subject to a skim read.

definition of "berate" 100% applies to you.
"scold or criticize (someone) angrily."
experience says its normally scum that like to shit on player straight after a lynch.

In my opinion, you have only considered people outside of rayn in the past hour because you didnt get the lynch you wanted and are now trying to bully those that opposed the o-so-mighty HF.
Clearly the next point is conjecture, but i dare surmise that of those you are berating, none were your second lynch option prior to EoD.

mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.

On June 11 2018 17:51 Superbia wrote:


Noticed this as well. Some people have thrown some vague shade his way but no one seems to wants to take a real stance regarding his alignment.

I'll try to respond some of your posts this evening.

On June 12 2018 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your read on me is 100x worse than my read on Palmar.

So, am i still mafia or what?

"if rayn is town why does mafia![insert any of the names here] do what they did?"

you are never going to find an answer more likely than that they are just town. never. HF just cuts corners and can be very persuasive. It is sometimes the curse of his town game, when he is wrong, but it is also why he is so good as mafia. It is hard to tell, but it's okay, i am quite sure i can tell his alignment confidently by the end of this phase. Doesn't matter to me if i am lynched or not.

On June 12 2018 16:30 Mocsta wrote:
u farny

BTW, do you note the self-contradiction by stating superbia gives no information (optimal for mafia) and in parallel state it was a waste of nk (presumably because it wasnt you lol)

i really dont recall you randomly throwing rocks to see what shatters... hmmmm.. should i be reading this last game of yours?

On June 12 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
I kinda doubt I'm getting shot, but if I do rayn and Mocsta should be the ones you guys focus on tomorrow. I still need to do a reread myself since I've only really skimmed the n1 stuff.

I really have no idea who the third could be. I could honestly come up for a reason for basically every other player why they could be mafia aside from tube and slender and that's only because they haven't posted anything.

They obviously all can't be mafia, but at the same time I'm also starting to get concerned about the assumption that only 1 of them is scum if its rayn + mocsta. Late game is going to be a complete mess at this rate.

-super started out okayish, but has shown no interest in yesterday's lynch.
-fuba has no reads and then shows up with the ninja Palmar vote
-Rels seems like he threw out a post because he needed to say something, but it doesn't seem like he strongly believes anything he has said and just calls a bunch of stuff weird
-koshi threw away his vote when he could have hammered rayn, but I guess he wasn't obligated to post that he was around or preferred rayn over Palmar
-KSC no idea
-iamp is posting nothing but throw away comments that aren't relevant to the game aside from the rayn vote
-HF's most recent post about me being mafia has me a bit concerned because we basically share the same top two scum reads. Doesn't seem very consistent from his viewpoint.
-grack threw away his vote when rayn was the logical choice for him.

Guess we'll see who flips and go from there.

On June 12 2018 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lynch him on D4 when hr is not dead.
##unvote
##vote Holyflare

On June 13 2018 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
He explains that more fully here:

Which I think is actually correct logic.

On June 13 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
The observation that rayns reads lines up with thread sentiment to rayn is actually very good.
But this is why you are scum kita...
Your forte... the associated analysis.. well, its terrible.

See, to me, bar KSC.. rayn has organically shown how those reads were reached in my opinion. This makes your observation a coincidence.
Like, we cant get hamstrung on the KSC/superbia thing because IT WAS EARLY GAME. and unfortunately, KSC has done fuck all since so there is no genuine opportunity to ask Rayn (or others) to re-evaluate.

On June 13 2018 17:59 Mocsta wrote:
HF:
I clearly mention the early game points you refer to.
I don't think its heavily relevant unless Rayn still thinks KSC is town - which frankly I would be shocked.

To say that Rayn threw out a town read early game as a crucifiable point is you being obtuse; because you haven't demonstrated how that read lead to a scum agenda. Its not like those people were under pressure to be lynched and that was used as a defense, and arguably it wasnt a pocket attempt either.

Not everyone is so smart and wise that they are so consistent in their thought process from start to finish to not have contradictions or opposting points of view - unlike you HF of course...

On June 11 2018 13:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Superbia and Rels. Could you guys talk to me? Mocsta is town and Holyflare is super tunneled so i am just going to ignore him for the rest of the game.

I understand i am probably going to get lynched tomorrow what you guys need to do after that is lynch kitaman. Mocsta is correct in that kitaman is over and over again presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont arguments. Look at what i said about him earlier. Look at Mocsta's posts. Look at the time where he says "nothing is set in stone and i am constantly reconsidering" or some bs like that, when i confronted him about already deciding i am mafia and then still questioning Palmar. Then Palmar answers his question with "scummy post" comment and look at all the amount of him reconsidering. Do you think an "answer" like that should make him reconsider? I mean like, at best the dude is the worst hypocrite in the game and i do not really think that is what town!kitaman is. Also there is the calling Grackaroni town.

Superbia talk to me about iamperfection. The guy has been a total trashcan in this game and from what i know he is a trashcan when he is mafia, so yeah, i can easily see him being mafia. I just couldn't see 3 mafia jumping on me like that because it's very retarded thing to do in my opinion regardless of the outcome of the lynch.

I kind of sorta agree with fuba being weird. Otherwise i would think he is mafia but there was a time where he made a post where he already set in voting for me and decided against it in the end. I mean if i was fuba i would totally lynch rayn who plays over garbage Palmar. I am not sure why he wouldn't as scum do that?

Grackaroni is probably still not scum, because kitaman is scum, and if he was scum he would most likely have made sure i get lynched.

Koshi can be mafia. I actually thought at the same thing Mocsta did earlier, that the vote on Rels was a "vote on townie", like he said lol. It's probably not what he meant but now that Rels has actually posted stuff, Koshi should do something. We will see, he can easily be mafia anyways.

On June 13 2018 20:00 Mocsta wrote:
Hf
Why did you drop kitaman out of your lynch pool

On June 13 2018 22:08 KelsierSC wrote:
think perfection is a good vote , him or kitamin are good but kitamin seems to have been posting more stuff.

On June 14 2018 00:44 Koshi wrote:

Oh ok. Due to earlier bluntness I shall answer this one.

Kita types many words in a game you don't need to type many words.
I did no research if the many words have complicated thought process behind them.
But I am quite sure he doesn't have to attack so many people.

Anyway. If he is mafia he is hardtrying on an insane level.

6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia. Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol

On June 14 2018 01:30 Koshi wrote:

Oh another retard.

Where the fuck did I say I didn't read them? I literally said I read them. You even bolded that part you dumb fuck.

And there is a huge difference between understanding the full game and how people think and why they think what they think and just glancing and looking if people type up smart or really indepth shit.

On June 14 2018 01:37 Koshi wrote:

I don't want to talk to you. Read my posts. Or don't.
If you don't understand simple shit like this I don't really give a fuck.

On June 14 2018 01:58 Tubesock wrote:
I think rayn, HF, Koshi, and Kita are all town. Fuba too.

I normally dislike nitpickers. Mocsta is definitely nitpicking. But we’re on day 57 or something and only on page 20, so ya kinda have to nitpick. I won’t be voting him today because of that.

HF already said, and I think someone already alluded to what I think about Grack. Grack was worried about his vote appearance and then after he got grief he changed his posting style. I don’t think townGrack cares that much to change up. His reads are typically REALLY good. He just doesn’t seem to be as good at or care about his survival ability or getting his Lynch in games.

I think Iamperfection is the player everyone knows is mafia, but no one wants to kill him cause he’s a lurker and a slow game will be even slower if we decide to lynch him early in the day.

On June 14 2018 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I jsut want to point this out:




sure bro.

On June 14 2018 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So holyflare. What are those contributions kitamna has made d2?

On June 14 2018 07:14 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Thanks, guys.

Ah right, I misread kitaman's commentary on rayn during the Palmar--rayn -counterwagons situation. So much for that Scumduo being actually plausible.

The thing that troubled me wrt kitaman still troubles me after the filter. I have a hard time trying to explain it in English, though. It sounds like, until the direct D2-discussion with rayn, he tries to comment on everything in a general way that appears good on the surface but includes as little risk to himself as possible while doing it. As in, lacking the committal tone a Townie usually has while trying to solve the game.

Am curious about the iamp-wagon -- it's based on him not being around today, and kind of dicking around yesterday? Is he REALLY the kind of player who'd lose interest and drop out as Mafia? Very few players actually do that, even then it's usually in unique circumstances like Scumteam-infighting... admittedly, I don't know iamp as a player, but I'd still be surprised if this was an actual, legitimate reason for a wagon?

On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?

On June 14 2018 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I havent trolled at any point in this game and you made cases on 2 townies and tunneled like a dumb person. And your case on me was shit as fuck. So yeah...

On June 14 2018 07:50 kitaman27 wrote:
lol maybe it's HF afterall. The fact that he's just sitting around letting Mocsta and rayn have their way looks terrible.

On June 14 2018 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What was i doing before my third post if not trolling if i am mafia?

On June 14 2018 07:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Well I guess I shouldn't have signed up then. Nobody obviously cares about playing this game, except rayn and mocsta and they're both scum.

On June 14 2018 01:34 Holyflare wrote:


If you read them then you should know if they are surface level posts or not. You then proceed to call them good posts.

How can you read them and think they're good but have no idea if they're surface level?

On June 14 2018 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF if yoy are mafia what is yo6r gameplan here?

On June 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp?

On June 14 2018 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

i wanna know how this changed today.

On June 14 2018 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

incorrect.

first point. it was never pressure. never, you are lying 100% here. i know you and it was not pressure. fucking shit. no pressure, you are mafia.

second point. untrue. when "everyone and their mother started to defend me" you decided to do not a fucking single thing and when palmar was lynched THEN YOU FUCKING yelled everyone who CORRECTLY defended me are mafia. So, your call. What say you?

On June 14 2018 10:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Still waiting..........

On June 14 2018 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What should i have done then?
I remember you coming in and saying nothing but "why is this game only 5 pages" at the time so what.. should i have forged some reads or?

On June 15 2018 01:54 TheSlenderMan wrote:
iamp, he did Vote you earlier, like an hour or two before the deadline.

The shuffle at the very last minute would, regardless, be very weird from a Mafia!HF. Like, even if both you and kitaman were Scum together with him. It would simply be super unnecessary.

On June 15 2018 15:29 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I am just going to sheep rayn and vote HF most likely. I'll think about it.

I will post more in my lunch break.

On June 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp?

On June 15 2018 19:49 Koshi wrote:
@HF. Yes. It is weird. Vut what does it mean?

On June 16 2018 04:13 Koshi wrote:
Like. I am the 3rd vote on iamp and I voted quite early. Because when I voted iamp it was because I had a lot of votes. Kita wasnt happening

And after that only kita and our blue voted iamp.


So why do you say mafia tried to save kita? That is such bullshit.

On June 16 2018 04:22 Koshi wrote:
Some1 needs to explain why we dont talk about Kelsier

On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?

On June 16 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.

Slender i cant tell is a hipster thinker or turning bullshit stones for thr sake of it. Def not enough for me to consider this cycle.

Iamp is trash on the same level as rels.
I dont agree with comments that kita intentionally ignored iamp as buddies. The other side of the WIFOM is that s an analytical player i suspect its within kita spectrum to consider that he would be hammered. Thus if he voted iamp to save homself it would confirm iamp. Instead once i vote myself he releases a case to try and flow to me as his prior scum read.

So voting for me today is either ksc or hf.

Ksc has followed thread sentiment in a sterile way and didnt seem to really want to lynch kitaman. Theres also the odd joke post early game from kota which could be scum banter.

My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior.

On June 16 2018 08:02 Holyflare wrote:


Semi like this point.

On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote:

Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too

Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit

On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities

On June 16 2018 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Thats as silly an argument as you are purporting for kita avoiding iamp

Sometimes regarsleas of desire, things can happen outside our control.

On June 16 2018 18:38 Koshi wrote:
Kelsier could be mafia.
But
Kelsier also could be the easiest misslynch for mafia to push.

Blah blah. It's so weak.


In the games I watched from Kelsier, he definitely also played like this as town. More activity though. But also very disconnected

On June 17 2018 01:41 iamperfection wrote:
there is no way holyflare is mafia he could have just voted me for the tenth time stop wasting your votes there. vote kelsier.

On June 17 2018 02:05 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare

Voted hf.

Let iamp pass and is watching cats in trees. Also rayn.

On June 14 2018 07:32 Mocsta wrote:
Well its pointless

im dumb for wanting to vote kita
im dumb for wanting to vote koshi

that only leaves myself..

On June 14 2018 08:08 Mocsta wrote:
acknowledged... vindiction but i prefer koshi

who came out to play when kitaman was in pressure.. koshi
who did koshi target.. kitaman primary voter.. me

maybe kita/koshi/iamp is possible too.

slenderman also comes to my mind
rels is still unknown
need to recheck why ksc chose iamp over kitaman too

on that note, adios

I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.

On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote:

Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too

Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit

On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities

On June 17 2018 02:21 Grackaroni wrote:
You didn't really care all that much about Kita or Iamp lynch before the end of the day. I don't see why your thought process would jump to a kita/Iamp scum scenario by seeing Kita not voting Iamp. For one thing I don't see how Iamp is ever worth saving for Kita as scum. To me it just seems like you already know Kita is scum and are using that information to point to Iamp as his partner.



Plus EoD Kita posts looked a lot like a last minute attempt to distance from you. And there's the fact that I really doubt Kita + 2 lurker scum team kills Superbia and that seems to be the alternative to HF scum team.

On June 14 2018 06:28 Conversion wrote:

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Day 2 Vote Count

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iamperfection [3]: iamperfection, Tubesock, KelsierSC
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
fuba [1]: Grackaroni
kitaman27 [3]: Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, fuba
raynpelikoneet [0]: kitaman27
Rels [1]: Rels
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Koshi [1]: Grackaroni, Koshi, Grackaroni, Holyflare
Mocsta [2]: Koshi, Holyflare, kitaman27

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iamperfection is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.

On June 14 2018 07:34 Conversion wrote:

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Day 2 Vote Count

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iamperfection [5]: iamperfection, Tubesock, KelsierSC, Koshi, Holyflare
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
fuba [1]: Grackaroni
kitaman27 [4]: Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, fuba, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet [0]: kitaman27
Rels [1]: Rels
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Koshi [0]: Grackaroni, Koshi, Grackaroni, Holyflare
Mocsta [1]: Koshi, Holyflare, kitaman27

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iamperfection is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.

Also a reminder that you cannot intentionally self-vote. Your vote will not move and will not be counted if you vote for yourself.

On June 17 2018 02:45 Grackaroni wrote:
You killed Jealous last game in the same way?

On June 11 2018 06:22 Rels wrote:
I agree with almost everything rayn said. Apart from a few things like kita and Grack. But the rest, I agree. In particular, I think the Superbia post where he lists his scumteam makes him town, and rayn seeing this when nobody else did makes him town too.

I don't like neither Palmar or iamp - Palmar's stuff on rayn is very weird. It's a weird mix of a joke and a serious read that I can only see coming from scum!Palmar - town!Palmar is blunt. I want to lynch him the most.

Koshi is weird. He was weird last game too though. But here he is saying I'm hiding behind my D1 activity when I'm super active as scum, and that's bad.

On June 17 2018 02:55 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta also voted kita when he just as easily could have stayed on me. Or why not go to iamp? Even if iamp is mafia better kill him over kita.

Dnu. I will not vote Mocsta with rayn dieing.

He said Mocsta was town. I am ok with that.

On June 17 2018 02:55 Koshi wrote:
And kita vs Mocsta shit during the day makes it unlikely.

On June 17 2018 03:13 Koshi wrote:

Dnu what you are saying but if you are scumreading Rels for predicting the future I dont know what to tell you.

On June 14 2018 08:08 Mocsta wrote:
acknowledged... vindiction but i prefer koshi

who came out to play when kitaman was in pressure.. koshi
who did koshi target.. kitaman primary voter.. me

maybe kita/koshi/iamp is possible too.

slenderman also comes to my mind
rels is still unknown
need to recheck why ksc chose iamp over kitaman too

on that note, adios

On June 15 2018 07:38 Mocsta wrote:
ohh yeah forgot about you.

ok, pool of 5 i dont htink is auto. makes more sense.

On June 16 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.

Slender i cant tell is a hipster thinker or turning bullshit stones for thr sake of it. Def not enough for me to consider this cycle.

Iamp is trash on the same level as rels.
I dont agree with comments that kita intentionally ignored iamp as buddies. The other side of the WIFOM is that s an analytical player i suspect its within kita spectrum to consider that he would be hammered. Thus if he voted iamp to save homself it would confirm iamp. Instead once i vote myself he releases a case to try and flow to me as his prior scum read.

So voting for me today is either ksc or hf.

Ksc has followed thread sentiment in a sterile way and didnt seem to really want to lynch kitaman. Theres also the odd joke post early game from kota which could be scum banter.

My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior.

My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior.

On June 17 2018 05:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I know what HF's been up to today.

On June 17 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
by the way koshi you should read this page, it's pretty much a carbon copy of this game

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=104#2064

On June 17 2018 05:28 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=33#641

and this page because it summarises mocsta this game so well and I was correct there too