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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 05 2018 13:58 GMT
#5
/in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 06 2018 10:01 GMT
#12
Nah sign up fuba, you were good.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 07:58 GMT
#71
On June 09 2018 08:06 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure I have been town a lot of times in a row now.
Going to attempt to make my first vote on a townie and all next votes on mafia.
For a change.


The most unfunny thing I think I've ever seen you post.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 11:10 GMT
#73
none of this slacking now guys

koshi is off so let's kill him
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 11:36 GMT
#75
for a joke?

kelsier's post is pre game??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 14:17 GMT
#79
On June 09 2018 22:07 Mocsta wrote:
i sense you are angry HF


not really just enthusiastic to point out dumb crap
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 14:51 GMT
#85
On June 09 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
You dont think its weird to dig for quotes from 2015?

Too stupid to be conceived pregame and too much effort for a game we are too busy to play.


I thought it was hilarious so not really
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 14:51 GMT
#86
probably took like 2 minutes max by typing in busy in search box
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 16:54 GMT
#91
On June 09 2018 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you stapf this pls....

On June 09 2018 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is weird.

On June 10 2018 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not for a second believe Palmars read is genuine.


Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 19:03 GMT
#97
On June 10 2018 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 03:22 Superbia wrote:
this game seems to be going p well, carry on

iap
mocsta
rayn?

Yes indeed

Superbia
Palmar
RELS??


bad
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 23:52 GMT
#99
On June 10 2018 02:53 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2018 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you stapf this pls....

On June 09 2018 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is weird.

On June 10 2018 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not for a second believe Palmars read is genuine.


Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi

solid day 1 case

i agree

dont know about koshi

##vote raynpelikoneet


vote in vote thread
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 23:52 GMT
#100
On June 10 2018 03:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Count me in on the rayn is mafia bandwagon.

First dude to whine about the thread not being on track is usually mafia trying to make a town post or a try hard townie and there is nothing to suggest the latter so far.



vote in vote thread
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 09 2018 23:52 GMT
#101
how has this game got only 5 pages?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 11:48 GMT
#125
On June 10 2018 15:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 13:56 kitaman27 wrote:
Fine, I'll add party pooper to the potential options. It's the fact that you didn't really follow things up afterwards that looked the worst imo.

When you said that Palmar's post couldn't have been genuine it read more like "I haven't posted anything wrong yet so he can't possibly have caught me". Your claim that the initial Palmar post was relevant scumhunting doesn't carry much weight considering the comment was made in passing and you don't directly confront him until now after 3-4 people start pressuring you.

I can see you actually believing that since you haven't been in a game with me lately. I don't actually say things i don't mean, and i don't actually say things i won't follow up on. I don't think i do that even as mafia, and the way i posted about Palmar i most likely post as either alignment, i for sure know i do as town as i just did. The truth is i expected more to have happened yesterday, even early on, since the playerbase in this game is quite competitive, but apparently these games with "good" players nowadays are a shitfest or a dick measuring contest where most of the people think they don't need to actually play, or even don't try to play with the time they have. I also slept most of the yesterday and given the game state at the time i just didn't care enough to post, so there is that.

But yeah well, you can believe your story or you can believe mine. I don't really care i am just here for the puzzle.


You expect people to play more but you only posted like twice yourself?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 18:32 GMT
#160
On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.


I think fuba might be mafia. He's way too defensive of rayn over not much. Talking in absolutes makes rayn not mafia? Don't think that's ever been a thing and I don't believe he believes it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 19:23 GMT
#164
On June 11 2018 03:37 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.


I think fuba might be mafia. He's way too defensive of rayn over not much. Talking in absolutes makes rayn not mafia? Don't think that's ever been a thing and I don't believe he believes it.

I'm glad someone is suspicious of me - too many people saying they like me on D1 is weird.

And I do believe it - that's the kind of thing I'll say as town but have never thought to say as mafia. And it's not just talking in absolutes - it's defending yourself in absolutes. Different thing.


I said exactly those same things you're referencing last game when I was mafia and you didn't bring up this point once.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 19:30 GMT
#165
On June 11 2018 01:55 fuba wrote:
I overestimated the amount of time I'd have to play this morning :/

Still don't think rayn is scum. Nor Kita. Wary of voting palmar this early cuz if he's town he could solve the game, but I guess that applies to half the people in this game. My HF vote was a joke, but I'm not sure about him atm either (don't really have a read of him).

I'd probably be up for voting most of the other people on the list tho :/

To elaborate somewhat on rayn - I think his reactions after being voted are pretty townie, and I tend to find absolutes when defending yourself to be a townie trait. Like "there's no way that's a scum tell because I said it and I'm town". Won't hold up over the course of the game, but for now it's enough for me to town read him.


The thing that's also bad is this line. You effectively give yourself an out to vote rayn later and even agree it won't be enough later. If it's not enough later then by your very own definition it's not enough to town read someone. This is also like the 3rd time you've referenced this rayn read when nobody has even quizzed you over it. It's very over explained.

You've also kind of dodged almost ALL of rayn's actual content to make this read. Nothing about his palmar or kita read but you specifically mention those two in your reads as not voting because no actual reasons.

I think you're mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 21:46 GMT
#174
Mocsta [1]: Mocsta
Tubesock [1]: Tubesock
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Grackaroni [1]: Grackaroni
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 22:10 GMT
#176
On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 03:37 fuba wrote:
On June 11 2018 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.


I think fuba might be mafia. He's way too defensive of rayn over not much. Talking in absolutes makes rayn not mafia? Don't think that's ever been a thing and I don't believe he believes it.

I'm glad someone is suspicious of me - too many people saying they like me on D1 is weird.

And I do believe it - that's the kind of thing I'll say as town but have never thought to say as mafia. And it's not just talking in absolutes - it's defending yourself in absolutes. Different thing.


I said exactly those same things you're referencing last game when I was mafia and you didn't bring up this point once.

Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs*


"That thing I got called out on doesn't exist anymore so I have no reason that rayn is town. But he is."
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 22:58 GMT
#184
no shenanigans, lynch rayn with all the people that people scum read
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 22:59 GMT
#190
On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching.



"so I won't vote rayn".........?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 23:06 GMT
#195
lynch grack for either being partners with rayn and wanting credit on his eventual flip or wanting to "appear" to want to vote rayn without actually lynching him
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 23:08 GMT
#196
On June 11 2018 05:20 fuba wrote:
And I'm talking about rayn so much because I feel he's town. What's bad about not wanting a mislynch?


On June 11 2018 07:16 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote:
On June 11 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 03:37 fuba wrote:
On June 11 2018 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.


I think fuba might be mafia. He's way too defensive of rayn over not much. Talking in absolutes makes rayn not mafia? Don't think that's ever been a thing and I don't believe he believes it.

I'm glad someone is suspicious of me - too many people saying they like me on D1 is weird.

And I do believe it - that's the kind of thing I'll say as town but have never thought to say as mafia. And it's not just talking in absolutes - it's defending yourself in absolutes. Different thing.


I said exactly those same things you're referencing last game when I was mafia and you didn't bring up this point once.

Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs*


"That thing I got called out on doesn't exist anymore so I have no reason that rayn is town. But he is."

"But I think he is."***


On June 11 2018 07:58 fuba wrote:
Mmmm...


Also this guy who had been voting me the entire time despite the wagons being this close for a long while and only appeared at deadline to vote palmar.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 23:14 GMT
#199
On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 03:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Count me in on the rayn is mafia bandwagon.

First dude to whine about the thread not being on track is usually mafia trying to make a town post or a try hard townie and there is nothing to suggest the latter so far.
try hard vote. its parsed to meaningless fluff the content and appear more "analytical" that what it is

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 03:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Mocsta mafia too for being eager to jump in the thread to call something out and falling way short. Can't imagine he actually thinks my joke post was an attempt to wow the thread for some town cred.
mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 13:56 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 10 2018 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also dislike kitaman's reasoning on the vote, because if that's the only two things you can think of then well.. oh boy you're wrong and gonna be wrong a lot.


Fine, I'll add party pooper to the potential options. It's the fact that you didn't really follow things up afterwards that looked the worst imo.

When you said that Palmar's post couldn't have been genuine it read more like "I haven't posted anything wrong yet so he can't possibly have caught me". Your claim that the initial Palmar post was relevant scumhunting doesn't carry much weight considering the comment was made in passing and you don't directly confront him until now after 3-4 people start pressuring you.

On June 10 2018 13:33 fuba wrote:
Don't vote rayn~


Lets hear why.
mafia!kitamin presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont argument.
its a core facet of the game to confront ppl hunting you. kitamin calls this scummy on the pretense of 3-4 others pressuring.. well fuck me, thats about as standard play as you can get.. why is this now leaning??

scum!kita.. thats why

+

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 14:16 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 09 2018 09:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Man of 27 kitas, could you send me a banana?

I am all out of bananas. I have heard that you have the bananas.


We don't speak of that.

I think slender is just a random guy rayn knows from Vendetta Strada. They teamed up in a game I hosted a while back.
future point. acknowledges slender is a friend of rayn. Is actively hunting rayn, so i suspect should be asking for rayn for feedback if slender posts content





also this guy for possibly the most misconstrued case I've seen but then he votes on palmar?????

On June 11 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote: Palmar


point 1 means nothing

point 2 is wrong and he hasn't misconstrued anything... kita calling out a pre-game post with an in game post isn't scummy but mocsta tried to point it that way and then mocsta has somehow misconstrued that rebuttal yet again into some kind of town read when kita calls mocsta mafia? Don't even know what this point mocsta has stated even is

point 3 is tripe because of course it's damned if you do, damned if you don't, it's an accusatory post because rayn did not do something that any reasonable townie with a scum read should do, that is push the point and get your target lynched so also bad point

point 4 is bad because slender has posted absolutely nothing and it's entirely redundant


so why did he have to join a wagon between palmar and rayn at all??????????????????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 23:16 GMT
#201
rayn posted content that kita is definitely mafia and "caught" him

votes palmar because of some bs off hand comment and he's "definitely mafia"

no follow up on kita read, no questioning of palmar, just kill palmar plz
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 23:20 GMT
#202
On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn.

What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy.


Yes, it's consistent, sure. The strength of his read is way TOO sure that Rayn is town over a point I don't think he ever can possibly think. He simultaneously says that his read isn't that strong and won't last till late game (which gives him an out) but goes to such great lengths to defend Rayn that it's absurd. He even said "What's so bad about not wanting a mislynch?"

Too blatant.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 23:20 GMT
#203
I fear for this game because tonight I will be shot and then you will all be completely lost.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 23:36 GMT
#208
On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.

you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.

we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.

the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls.


I am not berating everyone. I am berating specifically the people that have had no opinion or an exaggerated opinion of someone (such as yourself) and have done something that is scummy.

Your kita case was extremely poor and not in a townie way. It's not that you misinterpreted anything, it's that you have taken specifically non-scummy posts and tried to misconstrue them to be scummy actions. Not only that but if your case is against kitamin and that he is mafia then naturally your vote would always be siding WITH rayn but never ever do you cite that rayn has a case against kita or that it's a good point in his favour. Instead, you just say meek things like "Oh, palmar had a lightly scummy post against kita... that's bad" and "rayn is ride or die with his reads, no scum would do that!"

The above are just basic mafia faux pas that I see quite consistently. You're not thinking from a perspective about finding people that agree with you and narrowing things down, you're seeing the black and white and trying to blend in with what you think SHOULD be said.

Then there's Grack. He's afkd the majority of the game (I mean, who hasn't?) but he returns and says that he'd rather vote rayn than palmar after literally just voting iamperfection.

+ Show Spoiler [grack filter] +
On June 11 2018 01:02 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 14:09 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 10 2018 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 10 2018 03:22 Superbia wrote:
this game seems to be going p well, carry on

iap
mocsta
rayn?

Yes indeed

Superbia
Palmar
RELS??


Why Superbia specifically? I don't see any problems with his play so far.

I don't actually. I was just matching shit post for shit post. I don't have any reads atm, but I haven't read the new Rayn stuff yet.

Superbia is on the list because he made the shit post.
Palmar because he makes me laugh and I find his name funny, so I like to include Palmar in lists.

On June 11 2018 01:35 Grackaroni wrote:
Weird thing to me - Rayn is making a lot of smiley faces this game.

I think this calls for some meta-investigations.

On June 11 2018 01:38 Grackaroni wrote:
After a thorough skimming of 3 filters, my conclusion is that Rayn makes a lot of smiley faces.

Carry on folks.

On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.

On June 11 2018 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Nope I honestly can't decide.

Instead I think I'll just attach my vote directly behind wherever Fuba's vote goes. Think carefully Mr. Fuba. I am counting on you.

On June 11 2018 07:48 Grackaroni wrote:
It's SHENNANNY time people

On June 11 2018 07:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I voted perfect.

On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching.

On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Thought I'm not sure what Rayn is.

On June 11 2018 08:06 Grackaroni wrote:
err uhh...

Yeah that one's on me.

On June 11 2018 08:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn.

What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy.

I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches so I said that anticipating criticism of Rayn being lynched over Palmar and me throwing away my vote instead of voting a main wagon.


His justification is that he was "pre-empting" rayn being lynched and him not being on the wagon. So, he thought rayn was actually being lynched and he was ALREADY pre-justifying not killing rayn. For what reason does he ever need to post that other than him caring about how he looks? He's literally at 0 content, likes the guy that has hard defended rayn (even though 90% of grack's filter is "digging" about rayn's meta (can you even call that one post digging?) and he wanted to lynch rayn (so why does he like fuba when fuba is definitely not the fuba of last game? who actually knows?).
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 10 2018 23:46 GMT
#213
On June 11 2018 08:36 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.

you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.

we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.

the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls.


I am not berating everyone. I am berating specifically the people that have had no opinion or an exaggerated opinion of someone (such as yourself) and have done something that is scummy.

Your kita case was extremely poor and not in a townie way. It's not that you misinterpreted anything, it's that you have taken specifically non-scummy posts and tried to misconstrue them to be scummy actions. Not only that but if your case is against kitamin and that he is mafia then naturally your vote would always be siding WITH rayn but never ever do you cite that rayn has a case against kita or that it's a good point in his favour. Instead, you just say meek things like "Oh, palmar had a lightly scummy post against kita... that's bad" and "rayn is ride or die with his reads, no scum would do that!"

The above are just basic mafia faux pas that I see quite consistently. You're not thinking from a perspective about finding people that agree with you and narrowing things down, you're seeing the black and white and trying to blend in with what you think SHOULD be said.

Then there's Grack. He's afkd the majority of the game (I mean, who hasn't?) but he returns and says that he'd rather vote rayn than palmar after literally just voting iamperfection.

+ Show Spoiler [grack filter] +
On June 11 2018 01:02 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 14:09 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 10 2018 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 10 2018 03:22 Superbia wrote:
this game seems to be going p well, carry on

iap
mocsta
rayn?

Yes indeed

Superbia
Palmar
RELS??


Why Superbia specifically? I don't see any problems with his play so far.

I don't actually. I was just matching shit post for shit post. I don't have any reads atm, but I haven't read the new Rayn stuff yet.

Superbia is on the list because he made the shit post.
Palmar because he makes me laugh and I find his name funny, so I like to include Palmar in lists.

On June 11 2018 01:35 Grackaroni wrote:
Weird thing to me - Rayn is making a lot of smiley faces this game.

I think this calls for some meta-investigations.

On June 11 2018 01:38 Grackaroni wrote:
After a thorough skimming of 3 filters, my conclusion is that Rayn makes a lot of smiley faces.

Carry on folks.

On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.

On June 11 2018 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Nope I honestly can't decide.

Instead I think I'll just attach my vote directly behind wherever Fuba's vote goes. Think carefully Mr. Fuba. I am counting on you.

On June 11 2018 07:48 Grackaroni wrote:
It's SHENNANNY time people

On June 11 2018 07:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I voted perfect.

On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching.

On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Thought I'm not sure what Rayn is.

On June 11 2018 08:06 Grackaroni wrote:
err uhh...

Yeah that one's on me.

On June 11 2018 08:31 Grackaroni wrote:
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On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn.

What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy.

I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches so I said that anticipating criticism of Rayn being lynched over Palmar and me throwing away my vote instead of voting a main wagon.


His justification is that he was "pre-empting" rayn being lynched and him not being on the wagon. So, he thought rayn was actually being lynched and he was ALREADY pre-justifying not killing rayn. For what reason does he ever need to post that other than him caring about how he looks? He's literally at 0 content, likes the guy that has hard defended rayn (even though 90% of grack's filter is "digging" about rayn's meta (can you even call that one post digging?) and he wanted to lynch rayn (so why does he like fuba when fuba is definitely not the fuba of last game? who actually knows?).



Ah, and the other player I was "berating" was Fuba, who has called Rayn town for talking in absolutes but when questioned on how he formed this read and contradicted his formation of this read with actual evidence the read shifts to simply "oh, he's just town anyway".

On June 11 2018 01:55 fuba wrote:
I overestimated the amount of time I'd have to play this morning :/

Still don't think rayn is scum. Nor Kita. Wary of voting palmar this early cuz if he's town he could solve the game, but I guess that applies to half the people in this game. My HF vote was a joke, but I'm not sure about him atm either (don't really have a read of him).

I'd probably be up for voting most of the other people on the list tho :/

To elaborate somewhat on rayn - I think his reactions after being voted are pretty townie, and I tend to find absolutes when defending yourself to be a townie trait. Like "there's no way that's a scum tell because I said it and I'm town". Won't hold up over the course of the game, but for now it's enough for me to town read him.


Left his reasoning super open to back off of it later.

When contradicted with actual evidence of someone doing something that he town read rayn for as mafia he just says:

On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote:
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On June 11 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 03:37 fuba wrote:
On June 11 2018 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.


I think fuba might be mafia. He's way too defensive of rayn over not much. Talking in absolutes makes rayn not mafia? Don't think that's ever been a thing and I don't believe he believes it.

I'm glad someone is suspicious of me - too many people saying they like me on D1 is weird.

And I do believe it - that's the kind of thing I'll say as town but have never thought to say as mafia. And it's not just talking in absolutes - it's defending yourself in absolutes. Different thing.


I said exactly those same things you're referencing last game when I was mafia and you didn't bring up this point once.

Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs*


Guess he has another reason to town read rayn instead? His whole principle for calling someone town has just been contradicted and it's "oh, guess it must be something else that I've never mentioned, whoops!".

Yet, when other people vote rayn his whole world of reasoning because even MORE flimsy???

On June 11 2018 01:57 fuba wrote:
Though having just seen the vote count - that's a lot of pretty good players on one person... Unless they're all scum (or even 2/3 of them are scum) I could just be wrong :S



90% of Fuba's filter is defending rayn based on flimsy argumentation. He even flip flops on this read based on absolutely nothing but then goes straight back to "I think rayn is town, I should defend this mislynch."

It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense and reads very forced.
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June 11 2018 00:09 GMT
#217
On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.

how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.

secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.

Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.

There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.

#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player?


How have you misconstrued anything? Let's get started then:

On June 09 2018 20:30 Mocsta wrote:
Y so srs hf?

Lemme give you top tip
kita is mafia for going to the effort of splitting kelsier post into mini quotes

BiG job right thurr.. and for what???


You call kita mafia for a blatantly joke post based on a pre-game post of Keliser's. You always talked about damned if you do, damned if you don't but you don't give any credit that a town Kita could just want to have fun by taking the piss out of a pre-game non-alignment determining kelsier post.

On June 09 2018 23:33 Mocsta wrote:
Lol. Koshi calling rels town ?!?!?


Koshi has only called Rels mafia and will forever likely call Rels mafia.

On June 10 2018 00:08 Mocsta wrote:
Yo ksc

Keep belittling your own posts bro

Supa townie, amirite


Keliser has not belittled his own posts at any point in this game.


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On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 10 2018 03:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Count me in on the rayn is mafia bandwagon.

First dude to whine about the thread not being on track is usually mafia trying to make a town post or a try hard townie and there is nothing to suggest the latter so far.
try hard vote. its parsed to meaningless fluff the content and appear more "analytical" that what it is

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On June 10 2018 03:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Mocsta mafia too for being eager to jump in the thread to call something out and falling way short. Can't imagine he actually thinks my joke post was an attempt to wow the thread for some town cred.
mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.

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On June 10 2018 13:56 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 10 2018 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also dislike kitaman's reasoning on the vote, because if that's the only two things you can think of then well.. oh boy you're wrong and gonna be wrong a lot.


Fine, I'll add party pooper to the potential options. It's the fact that you didn't really follow things up afterwards that looked the worst imo.

When you said that Palmar's post couldn't have been genuine it read more like "I haven't posted anything wrong yet so he can't possibly have caught me". Your claim that the initial Palmar post was relevant scumhunting doesn't carry much weight considering the comment was made in passing and you don't directly confront him until now after 3-4 people start pressuring you.

On June 10 2018 13:33 fuba wrote:
Don't vote rayn~


Lets hear why.
mafia!kitamin presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont argument.
its a core facet of the game to confront ppl hunting you. kitamin calls this scummy on the pretense of 3-4 others pressuring.. well fuck me, thats about as standard play as you can get.. why is this now leaning??

scum!kita.. thats why

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On June 09 2018 14:16 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 09 2018 09:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Man of 27 kitas, could you send me a banana?

I am all out of bananas. I have heard that you have the bananas.


We don't speak of that.

I think slender is just a random guy rayn knows from Vendetta Strada. They teamed up in a game I hosted a while back.
future point. acknowledges slender is a friend of rayn. Is actively hunting rayn, so i suspect should be asking for rayn for feedback if slender posts content






On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.

you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.

we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.

the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls.


Saying I'm berating people when in fact I'm actually making cases and points on people but you try and bypass that and misconstrue it into berating when we don't know what rayn flipped. Thing is, we know that Palmar flipped town so even if Rayn flips town then pointing out people that have bad logic or reasoning for their votes is what we should be doing.

On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.

how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.

secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.

Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.

There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.

#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player?



This entire post is also incredibly misconstrued. I have considered rayn's content and I find it extremely lacking and I mean EXTREMELY.

He made a case on kita that made him "definitely mafiaa", that went nowhere and he forgot all about it or certainly didn't want to push it over a palmar read that's based off of one post and shit.
He voted Palmar who he knows can't play on a weekend based on absolutely 0 content and said it was a definitive scum read based on nothing.
He town read Grack who has posted absolute drivel.
He likes Kelsier and Superbia who have also posted absolute drivel.
He only really started playing after I called him out and he gained like 4 votes.
He berated people at the start of the game for not playing.

I have absolutely considered other people outside of rayn which is why I've just been posting about yourself, Grack and Fuba for the past hour. What a terrible thing to write, I can't actually understand how you even think that's correct.

I am not berating anyone. I am calling out bad patterns and filters and it just so happens they are people that haven't voted rayn. Voting rayn or not voting rayn means nothing to me in this context since the things I have called these people out for are:

A) Nothing to do with them voting rayn.
B) Everything to do with their filters and how they have acted with regards to the game.
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June 11 2018 00:54 GMT
#219
On June 11 2018 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
#217
stop trying so much and you might see the forest instead of the trees.

i didnt mention kita joke post when i was seeking consolidation on him towards EoD.

koshi said his first vote would be on town. He voted rels. THis is why i commented, is koshi declaring rels a town read?

kelsier belittled his own contribution by claiming it was subject to a skim read.

definition of "berate" 100% applies to you.
"scold or criticize (someone) angrily."
experience says its normally scum that like to shit on player straight after a lynch.

In my opinion, you have only considered people outside of rayn in the past hour because you didnt get the lynch you wanted and are now trying to bully those that opposed the o-so-mighty HF.
Clearly the next point is conjecture, but i dare surmise that of those you are berating, none were your second lynch option prior to EoD.


Your whole beginnings of voting kita are that he called you mafia. He called you mafia because you did some misconstruing of his joke post. You also make this line in your case:

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On June 10 2018 03:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Mocsta mafia too for being eager to jump in the thread to call something out and falling way short. Can't imagine he actually thinks my joke post was an attempt to wow the thread for some town cred.

mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.
which doesn't make any sense to me and looks like you misconstruing. Please explain it to me (it's also based on his rebuttal from the joke post).


Rels point is fine. Impossible to surmise if this is correct when looking at your filter because you don't adequately explain half the things you write or quote a post to have context to it.

Kelsier point is whatever. Fine. Different opinions on belittling.

You are confusing berating with renewed vigour.

Also your last point is patently false because I've already talked about fuba before. The last two people (you and grack) are because of shady deadline posts that made me look at you (and also because I didn't care about playing until deadline).

Of course I'm going to look at people that pushed a town lynch over someone I think was a good lynch and could well be mafia.



Holyflare
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June 11 2018 01:19 GMT
#220
I don't think there's a single person in this game that I town read. That's bad.
Holyflare
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June 11 2018 09:39 GMT
#233
On June 11 2018 17:51 Superbia wrote:
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On June 11 2018 14:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing to note regarding iamperfection is that noone aside from superbia has really not tried to present him as a lynch candidate. I think it would be beneficial for mafia to do so in case he is town, have three mislynch targets to discuss instead of two. Funny fact is this point stands even if i was mafia, actually even more, so basically noone can even argue against it.


Noticed this as well. Some people have thrown some vague shade his way but no one seems to wants to take a real stance regarding his alignment.

I'll try to respond some of your posts this evening.


Your filter is an example of someone throwing shade iamp's way. Rayn's point is pointless since you're not the only one either. I have no idea why anyone even reads you anything.
Holyflare
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June 11 2018 20:23 GMT
#244
Kita is probably mafia, that's all I have to say.
Holyflare
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June 11 2018 22:38 GMT
#250
Mocsta perhaps you can outline in which of my posts I show anger towards someone needlessly and don't use any facts to portray them as mafia in an accusatory way?
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 07:14 GMT
#302
It's not particularly difficult to understand my thought process.

I'll give you a snapshot into my mind.

Rayn is mafia

Oh look at all these people agreeing with me, that's so cool.

Oh palmar lynch is happening fast based on absolutely nothing and only rayn has some kind of meta read on him. Wtf is happening.

Look at all these people coming to defend rayn. It's likely my read is mediocre since it's almost guaranteed mafia are defending him but I won't back down until people hard commit to a stance.

Look at all these scummy people that opposed the rayn lynch (grack/mocsta/fuba).

Ok when I think about kita he's just there, pops into the game every now and again to say irrelevant things and afks again. There's no emotion and no care about being correct.

Holyflare
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June 12 2018 07:20 GMT
#303
I haven't commented on iamp because he's done nothing and nothing he has posted swings me in one way or another. I haven't commented on rels because he looks like a coin flip and is playing like trash.

I kind of had a stupid idea that the fact tube and slender were afk made them town but that's dumb. I don't hate tube's posts though.

The nk is super weird and it makes me think about Mocsta being mafia more and more. Not only does he talk about medic dodging but a Superbia kill effectively gives no information and was imo a waste of a nk since he'd done nothing.
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 07:21 GMT
#304
Also grack's vote was a full like 50 seconds after fuba or something. Watched it like a hawk.
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 07:26 GMT
#306
On June 12 2018 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your read on me is 100x worse than my read on Palmar.

So, am i still mafia or what?


Well I've based my read on you on facts and what you did this game. You've based your read on clearly false meta that was obviously terrible. You're not in a position to criticise.

Nk says you are. Gut says probably not.
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 07:36 GMT
#308

"if rayn is town why does mafia![insert any of the names here] do what they did?"

you are never going to find an answer more likely than that they are just town. never. HF just cuts corners and can be very persuasive. It is sometimes the curse of his town game, when he is wrong, but it is also why he is so good as mafia. It is hard to tell, but it's okay, i am quite sure i can tell his alignment confidently by the end of this phase. Doesn't matter to me if i am lynched or not.


This is terribly wrong btw. It's exactly how I figure things out always. If I'm convincing enough that it can lure some people onto a wagon on rayn then everyone that opposes it with shitty logic looks worse to me. That's the crux of my scum hunting. It's very egotistical but who cares, it's a high success rate. Doesn't matter what alignment rayn is. If he's mafia they don't want to lynch a partner and if he's town they don't want to look bad and often display tmi.

Fuba's reads looked like the prime example of that the entire day which is why I was going so hard on him. Now he's defending me. Who does he really scum read and why though? Who knows.

Mocsta just attacked me as a player and my personality rather than really any kind of logic/case. He's like kita but just more active. Posts things that don't lead to much and doesn't care if people acknowledge him or not.

Tube(?) made a good comment on why I think grack looks very off. More concerned with blending than speaking his mind. Sure, he knows he looks bad for voting rayn last second but I don't think he'd particularly care and his vote was almost a full minute after fuba's so no risk.
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June 12 2018 07:37 GMT
#309
On June 12 2018 16:30 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 12 2018 16:20 Holyflare wrote:
The nk is super weird and it makes me think about Mocsta being mafia more and more. Not only does he talk about medic dodging but a Superbia kill effectively gives no information and was imo a waste of a nk since he'd done nothing.
u farny

BTW, do you note the self-contradiction by stating superbia gives no information (optimal for mafia) and in parallel state it was a waste of nk (presumably because it wasnt you lol)

i really dont recall you randomly throwing rocks to see what shatters... hmmmm.. should i be reading this last game of yours?


This is exactly why I think it implicates you. I don't give a crap about giving no information. I just nk people that oppose me and give the game life via talking a lot until it's a dead thread and you command it.
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 07:39 GMT
#310
On June 12 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
I kinda doubt I'm getting shot, but if I do rayn and Mocsta should be the ones you guys focus on tomorrow. I still need to do a reread myself since I've only really skimmed the n1 stuff.

I really have no idea who the third could be. I could honestly come up for a reason for basically every other player why they could be mafia aside from tube and slender and that's only because they haven't posted anything.

They obviously all can't be mafia, but at the same time I'm also starting to get concerned about the assumption that only 1 of them is scum if its rayn + mocsta. Late game is going to be a complete mess at this rate.

-super started out okayish, but has shown no interest in yesterday's lynch.
-fuba has no reads and then shows up with the ninja Palmar vote
-Rels seems like he threw out a post because he needed to say something, but it doesn't seem like he strongly believes anything he has said and just calls a bunch of stuff weird
-koshi threw away his vote when he could have hammered rayn, but I guess he wasn't obligated to post that he was around or preferred rayn over Palmar
-KSC no idea
-iamp is posting nothing but throw away comments that aren't relevant to the game aside from the rayn vote
-HF's most recent post about me being mafia has me a bit concerned because we basically share the same top two scum reads. Doesn't seem very consistent from his viewpoint.
-grack threw away his vote when rayn was the logical choice for him.

Guess we'll see who flips and go from there.


I think this is an extremely surface level post that is effectively a glorified list post that says the whole game could be mafia. Pretty bad imo.
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 08:16 GMT
#314
Yes but I didn't make it my "last will" and I didn't waste my time writing about every player in the game when I said it in one sentence.
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 11:27 GMT
#322
On June 12 2018 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lynch him on D4 when hr is not dead.
##unvote
##vote Holyflare


Lol lynch him d4 but vote him now
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 19:39 GMT
#340
that's the most bull shit point I've ever heard though?
Holyflare
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June 12 2018 20:34 GMT
#346
On June 13 2018 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
He explains that more fully here:

Which I think is actually correct logic.
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On June 12 2018 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 12 2018 14:25 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2018 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes
is that purely by association with kita?

no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm.



You're defending rayn's logic of calling you town at eod as an example of why he called you town at the start of the day with 0 posts?
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June 12 2018 20:35 GMT
#347
Sure, his eod points make sense. His early day points don't exist and if they do they're wildly exaggerated or tmi.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 06:42 GMT
#369
That's convenient.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 06:48 GMT
#370
On June 13 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
The observation that rayns reads lines up with thread sentiment to rayn is actually very good.
But this is why you are scum kita...
Your forte... the associated analysis.. well, its terrible.

See, to me, bar KSC.. rayn has organically shown how those reads were reached in my opinion. This makes your observation a coincidence.
Like, we cant get hamstrung on the KSC/superbia thing because IT WAS EARLY GAME. and unfortunately, KSC has done fuck all since so there is no genuine opportunity to ask Rayn (or others) to re-evaluate.


How did he show how he thought grack was town after grack posted two posts?

How does Superbia's filter align with someone who doesn't care what people think?

Same with kelsier.

Those reads were so bull shit it's ridiculous. Where does it show they don't care? Superbia posted 3 names and afked? Kelsier did absolutely nothing?
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 06:50 GMT
#371
I think it's quite ridiculous/scummy how you have an answer to defend people at every turn that you shouldn't really have. It's not normal to look at things like that and say it was a fluid thing that makes sense because it does not.

I think that you know rayn is probably town so in your mind these conclusions look good because you know rayn was being genuine.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 06:52 GMT
#372
Mocsta/fuba are probably our best lynches today. I'd edge towards fuba personally.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 07:50 GMT
#373
Maybe mocsta actually
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 09:59 GMT
#376
On June 13 2018 17:59 Mocsta wrote:
HF:
I clearly mention the early game points you refer to.
I don't think its heavily relevant unless Rayn still thinks KSC is town - which frankly I would be shocked.

To say that Rayn threw out a town read early game as a crucifiable point is you being obtuse; because you haven't demonstrated how that read lead to a scum agenda. Its not like those people were under pressure to be lynched and that was used as a defense, and arguably it wasnt a pocket attempt either.

Not everyone is so smart and wise that they are so consistent in their thought process from start to finish to not have contradictions or opposting points of view - unlike you HF of course...


Your filter this game is the epitome of everything you espouse to hate. Little niggles at the player rather than accusations or content. You say you despise people calling other people stupid etc but you just do it in more subtle ways. I don't think you're town at all because all these things add up.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 10:00 GMT
#377
Do you scum read me? If no, then the highlighted is just there to diminish the player's integrity rather than anything else.

If you do scum read me then you haven't said a single thing about it and it's a waste of time.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 10:03 GMT
#378
On June 11 2018 13:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Superbia and Rels. Could you guys talk to me? Mocsta is town and Holyflare is super tunneled so i am just going to ignore him for the rest of the game.

I understand i am probably going to get lynched tomorrow what you guys need to do after that is lynch kitaman. Mocsta is correct in that kitaman is over and over again presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont arguments. Look at what i said about him earlier. Look at Mocsta's posts. Look at the time where he says "nothing is set in stone and i am constantly reconsidering" or some bs like that, when i confronted him about already deciding i am mafia and then still questioning Palmar. Then Palmar answers his question with "scummy post" comment and look at all the amount of him reconsidering. Do you think an "answer" like that should make him reconsider? I mean like, at best the dude is the worst hypocrite in the game and i do not really think that is what town!kitaman is. Also there is the calling Grackaroni town.

Superbia talk to me about iamperfection. The guy has been a total trashcan in this game and from what i know he is a trashcan when he is mafia, so yeah, i can easily see him being mafia. I just couldn't see 3 mafia jumping on me like that because it's very retarded thing to do in my opinion regardless of the outcome of the lynch.

I kind of sorta agree with fuba being weird. Otherwise i would think he is mafia but there was a time where he made a post where he already set in voting for me and decided against it in the end. I mean if i was fuba i would totally lynch rayn who plays over garbage Palmar. I am not sure why he wouldn't as scum do that?

Grackaroni is probably still not scum, because kitaman is scum, and if he was scum he would most likely have made sure i get lynched.

Koshi can be mafia. I actually thought at the same thing Mocsta did earlier, that the vote on Rels was a "vote on townie", like he said lol. It's probably not what he meant but now that Rels has actually posted stuff, Koshi should do something. We will see, he can easily be mafia anyways.


Rayn addresses this post to rels and Superbia which I thought was really weird at the time. I still don't understand where his Superbia read stemmed from and his rels read is unexplained in this post but he addresses them as if they are both town.

Even does it again to Superbia to talk about iamp.
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June 13 2018 11:42 GMT
#381
On June 13 2018 20:00 Mocsta wrote:
Hf
Why did you drop kitaman out of your lynch pool


Because what he said today wasn't awful. He's not out of my scummy pool just would rather lynch someone else today.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 14:46 GMT
#383
On June 13 2018 22:08 KelsierSC wrote:
think perfection is a good vote , him or kitamin are good but kitamin seems to have been posting more stuff.



And why are they "good votes" over lurker x, y and z?
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 16:25 GMT
#392
On June 14 2018 00:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:
On June 13 2018 00:03 Koshi wrote:
Kita tries hard but I like it
This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn
Take back comment b4.
Didnt see this.

What makes you say he is trying hard?
all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where...

Oh ok. Due to earlier bluntness I shall answer this one.

Kita types many words in a game you don't need to type many words.
I did no research if the many words have complicated thought process behind them.
But I am quite sure he doesn't have to attack so many people.

Anyway. If he is mafia he is hardtrying on an insane level.

6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia.
Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol


?? How do you know if you say you haven't read them?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 16:34 GMT
#396
On June 14 2018 01:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 00:44 Koshi wrote:
On June 13 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:
On June 13 2018 00:03 Koshi wrote:
Kita tries hard but I like it
This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn
Take back comment b4.
Didnt see this.

What makes you say he is trying hard?
all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where...

Oh ok. Due to earlier bluntness I shall answer this one.

Kita types many words in a game you don't need to type many words.
I did no research if the many words have complicated thought process behind them.
But I am quite sure he doesn't have to attack so many people.

Anyway. If he is mafia he is hardtrying on an insane level.

6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia.
Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol


?? How do you know if you say you haven't read them?

Oh another retard.

Where the fuck did I say I didn't read them? I literally said I read them. You even bolded that part you dumb fuck.

And there is a huge difference between understanding the full game and how people think and why they think what they think and just glancing and looking if people type up smart or really indepth shit.


If you read them then you should know if they are surface level posts or not. You then proceed to call them good posts.

How can you read them and think they're good but have no idea if they're surface level?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 18:09 GMT
#407
On June 14 2018 01:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 01:34 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 01:30 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2018 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 00:44 Koshi wrote:
On June 13 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:
On June 13 2018 00:03 Koshi wrote:
Kita tries hard but I like it
This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn
Take back comment b4.
Didnt see this.

What makes you say he is trying hard?
all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where...

Oh ok. Due to earlier bluntness I shall answer this one.

Kita types many words in a game you don't need to type many words.
I did no research if the many words have complicated thought process behind them.
But I am quite sure he doesn't have to attack so many people.

Anyway. If he is mafia he is hardtrying on an insane level.

6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia.
Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol


?? How do you know if you say you haven't read them?

Oh another retard.

Where the fuck did I say I didn't read them? I literally said I read them. You even bolded that part you dumb fuck.

And there is a huge difference between understanding the full game and how people think and why they think what they think and just glancing and looking if people type up smart or really indepth shit.


If you read them then you should know if they are surface level posts or not. You then proceed to call them good posts.

How can you read them and think they're good but have no idea if they're surface level?

I don't want to talk to you. Read my posts. Or don't.
If you don't understand simple shit like this I don't really give a fuck.


Mate you just pulled out a kita post and questioned his conclusion and basically said it's surface level. Don't expect anyone to listen to what you say if you can't even keep your story straight
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 18:11 GMT
#408
Honest question koshi why do you play mafia when you just play like you're in obs chat?
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 18:17 GMT
#409
I'm happy you started playing btw. Even if it's to be a dick to me.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 18:18 GMT
#410
I voted mocsta because even though iamp is probably the correct lynch, mocsta is the more deserved lynch that would make me feel better.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 19:23 GMT
#412
On June 14 2018 01:58 Tubesock wrote:
I think rayn, HF, Koshi, and Kita are all town. Fuba too.

I normally dislike nitpickers. Mocsta is definitely nitpicking. But we’re on day 57 or something and only on page 20, so ya kinda have to nitpick. I won’t be voting him today because of that.

HF already said, and I think someone already alluded to what I think about Grack. Grack was worried about his vote appearance and then after he got grief he changed his posting style. I don’t think townGrack cares that much to change up. His reads are typically REALLY good. He just doesn’t seem to be as good at or care about his survival ability or getting his Lynch in games.

I think Iamperfection is the player everyone knows is mafia, but no one wants to kill him cause he’s a lurker and a slow game will be even slower if we decide to lynch him early in the day.


You're very level headed. I appreciate you being in this game.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 21:18 GMT
#424
On June 14 2018 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I jsut want to point this out:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
Kita is probably mafia, that's all I have to say.

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2018 15:52 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta/fuba are probably our best lynches today. I'd edge towards fuba personally.

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2018 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
Maybe mocsta actually

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 03:18 Holyflare wrote:
I voted mocsta because even though iamp is probably the correct lynch, mocsta is the more deserved lynch that would make me feel better.

sure bro.


You're living in the past.

Kita was likely mafia because he simply was just commenting on things. That's completely changed today.

The NK says you are mafia because I shouldn't be alive and Superbia was a 0 information kill and you were the only one in the game to town read him.

My gut says you were mafia because everyone that I started to scum read was hard defending you. Fuba/Mocsta etc. I didn't think they'd go all out like that to town read you and Mocsta specifically made some outrageous (as I've already pointed out) defences of you based on wrong/bad information that he shouldn't have.

Originally it was fuba because with the gut information that you were town I was thinking he was the one who was playing the most differently to last game. YOU AGREED with this too so don't act surprised.

Mocsta is because every time I think of his posts this game he's the antithesis to what Mocsta wants games to be. He's nitpicky, a dick and hasn't really said much in terms of content other than factually incorrect or really wrong conclusions. When I had to weigh up between fuba and mocsta I thought that Mocsta would be the better lynch for information and it was more ballsy. Then Fuba claimed tracker anyway.

I also don't know why you say I know how iamp plays and should know his reputation. I've played about two total games with iamp and all of them he was basically afk. He's probably mafia but why would I give a shit?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 21:24 GMT
#427
Rayn why are you also such a dick?

I called you mafia. Deal with it. I haven't called you mafia today have I? I'm not voting you, am I?

Why are you so offended that I called you mafia? You're also saying that I'm mafia and killed Superbia when I had the very real conversation today that said I would never make such a bad NK.

Holyflare
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June 13 2018 21:25 GMT
#428
You say I'm trash for calling you mafia but then 50% of your points on me are that my gut says you're not mafia. Reading comprehension is great.

Kita can definitely be mafia and I also agree on slenderman because I didn't remember that post you quoted but it's bad.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 21:46 GMT
#436
you pretty much just confirmed yourself mafia with iamp kita :D
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 22:05 GMT
#447
On June 14 2018 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So holyflare. What are those contributions kitamna has made d2?


I scum read mocsta. He makes walls of text on mocsta being mafia. Do you not think I'm going to automatically like something that panders to my ego and my reads?
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 22:07 GMT
#449
I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp?
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 22:17 GMT
#460
On June 14 2018 07:14 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Thanks, guys.

Ah right, I misread kitaman's commentary on rayn during the Palmar--rayn -counterwagons situation. So much for that Scumduo being actually plausible.

The thing that troubled me wrt kitaman still troubles me after the filter. I have a hard time trying to explain it in English, though. It sounds like, until the direct D2-discussion with rayn, he tries to comment on everything in a general way that appears good on the surface but includes as little risk to himself as possible while doing it. As in, lacking the committal tone a Townie usually has while trying to solve the game.

Am curious about the iamp-wagon -- it's based on him not being around today, and kind of dicking around yesterday? Is he REALLY the kind of player who'd lose interest and drop out as Mafia? Very few players actually do that, even then it's usually in unique circumstances like Scumteam-infighting... admittedly, I don't know iamp as a player, but I'd still be surprised if this was an actual, legitimate reason for a wagon?


man i want to lynch you now
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 22:40 GMT
#501
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?


How is my day 1 better? What? I made a solid case on rayn before he started playing and then half way(!) through day 1 at a max 5 pages of thread I began hunting fuba. How is my play different? Probably because there's no trolling and all investigation.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 22:49 GMT
#516
On June 14 2018 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?


How is my day 1 better? What? I made a solid case on rayn before he started playing and then half way(!) through day 1 at a max 5 pages of thread I began hunting fuba. How is my play different? Probably because there's no trolling and all investigation.

I havent trolled at any point in this game and you made cases on 2 townies and tunneled like a dumb person. And your case on me was shit as fuck. So yeah...


Mate. Reading comprehension. Where do I say you were trolling?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 22:51 GMT
#520
On June 14 2018 07:50 kitaman27 wrote:
lol maybe it's HF afterall. The fact that he's just sitting around letting Mocsta and rayn have their way looks terrible.


Ok? I don't really care who gets lynched. Doesn't make it terrible though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 22:55 GMT
#529
On June 14 2018 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:49 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?


How is my day 1 better? What? I made a solid case on rayn before he started playing and then half way(!) through day 1 at a max 5 pages of thread I began hunting fuba. How is my play different? Probably because there's no trolling and all investigation.

I havent trolled at any point in this game and you made cases on 2 townies and tunneled like a dumb person. And your case on me was shit as fuck. So yeah...


Mate. Reading comprehension. Where do I say you were trolling?

What was i doing before my third post if not trolling if i am mafia?


Can you reread the summary? Other people were trolling, you told them to stop, you did nothing to contribute. That was the case. Nothing more. Nothing about you trolling. It wasn't a bad case for 5 pages into the thread and was half serious and half pressure. I didn't like your contributions so continued to vote you. Partly because I didn't really give a shit to do anything else and partly because I didn't think your content was great. When everyone and their mother started hard defending you I decided to back off and look into them. Today, when you actually start posting content and reasons for your reads you look a lot better. When you play afk and post trash about grack/superbia and kelsier being town when they posted 0 things and don't talk to ke then I'm going to think you're mafia.

I don't play by analysing specific points and sticking to them. I play by conversations and reevaluation after that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 22:58 GMT
#533
On June 14 2018 07:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Well I guess I shouldn't have signed up then. Nobody obviously cares about playing this game, except rayn and mocsta and they're both scum.


I'm going to say that all of your actions leading up to this lynch are classic scum emotional appeals and shit stirring. I don't think I've done nothing. Your case on both rayn and mocsta piggybacks off of what I already said about them so it's highly disingenuous to start throwing my name out now.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 23:06 GMT
#543
Let it be known that I fell for his emotional appeal and wanted to vote iamp. Who is also probably mafia too but still.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 23:11 GMT
#554
Dunno if he is rayn :D
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 23:21 GMT
#562
On June 14 2018 01:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 01:30 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2018 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 00:44 Koshi wrote:
On June 13 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:
On June 13 2018 00:03 Koshi wrote:
Kita tries hard but I like it
This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn
Take back comment b4.
Didnt see this.

What makes you say he is trying hard?
all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where...

Oh ok. Due to earlier bluntness I shall answer this one.

Kita types many words in a game you don't need to type many words.
I did no research if the many words have complicated thought process behind them.
But I am quite sure he doesn't have to attack so many people.

Anyway. If he is mafia he is hardtrying on an insane level.

6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia.
Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol


?? How do you know if you say you haven't read them?

Oh another retard.

Where the fuck did I say I didn't read them? I literally said I read them. You even bolded that part you dumb fuck.

And there is a huge difference between understanding the full game and how people think and why they think what they think and just glancing and looking if people type up smart or really indepth shit.


If you read them then you should know if they are surface level posts or not. You then proceed to call them good posts.

How can you read them and think they're good but have no idea if they're surface level?


Probably extremely valid.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 13 2018 23:36 GMT
#579
On June 14 2018 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF if yoy are mafia what is yo6r gameplan here?


Afk ride cred and push lurkers?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 23:40 GMT
#582
Because I'm tired and want to sleep :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 13 2018 23:40 GMT
#583
I did just outline who mafia is though
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 23:41 GMT
#584
On June 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp?

Holyflare
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June 13 2018 23:41 GMT
#586
And probably koshi for his "reading" and explanation of kita posts.
Holyflare
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June 13 2018 23:43 GMT
#588
Maybe kelsier
Holyflare
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June 14 2018 06:58 GMT
#618
On June 14 2018 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
Kita was likely mafia because he simply was just commenting on things. That's completely changed today.

i wanna know how this changed today.


I just explained. I thought/still have a feeling mocsta is mafia and kita posted things abiut mocsta being mafia. Nothing more to it than that. After voting you day 1 I made the following deductions:

1. Everyone is hard defending rayn but he almost got lynched. Makes me think he might actually be town.

2. Let's look into those hard defending people (grack/fuba/mocsta).

3. If I assume rayn is town who looks bad on this wagon?

4. Kita is playing boring. He just appears and doesn't say much. He's just commenting.

5. He's probably mafia. Let's post about that.

6. I think mocsta is playing a bit like a dick and that's not normal mocsta.

7. Kita is posting a lot about mocsta, makes me feel better about him.

8. Wow kitas end of today looks bad. Hasn't said anything about iamp but exclaims he's going to die. Why won't he just vote iamp?

9. Now he's trying to get me scum read even though he's pushing my reads. Doesn't even make sense.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 14 2018 07:01 GMT
#619
On June 14 2018 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:55 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:49 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?


How is my day 1 better? What? I made a solid case on rayn before he started playing and then half way(!) through day 1 at a max 5 pages of thread I began hunting fuba. How is my play different? Probably because there's no trolling and all investigation.

I havent trolled at any point in this game and you made cases on 2 townies and tunneled like a dumb person. And your case on me was shit as fuck. So yeah...


Mate. Reading comprehension. Where do I say you were trolling?

What was i doing before my third post if not trolling if i am mafia?


Can you reread the summary? Other people were trolling, you told them to stop, you did nothing to contribute. That was the case. Nothing more. Nothing about you trolling. It wasn't a bad case for 5 pages into the thread and was half serious and half pressure. I didn't like your contributions so continued to vote you. Partly because I didn't really give a shit to do anything else and partly because I didn't think your content was great. When everyone and their mother started hard defending you I decided to back off and look into them. Today, when you actually start posting content and reasons for your reads you look a lot better. When you play afk and post trash about grack/superbia and kelsier being town when they posted 0 things and don't talk to ke then I'm going to think you're mafia.

I don't play by analysing specific points and sticking to them. I play by conversations and reevaluation after that.

incorrect.

first point. it was never pressure. never, you are lying 100% here. i know you and it was not pressure. fucking shit. no pressure, you are mafia.

second point. untrue. when "everyone and their mother started to defend me" you decided to do not a fucking single thing and when palmar was lynched THEN YOU FUCKING yelled everyone who CORRECTLY defended me are mafia. So, your call. What say you?


Yes, I backed off after you were not lynched. It's not a lie is it? It was initially pressure and semi serious because you did something contradictory. Then i didn't like any of your posts. Then after deadline I reevaluated.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 14 2018 07:02 GMT
#620
On June 14 2018 10:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 09:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2018 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
Kita was likely mafia because he simply was just commenting on things. That's completely changed today.


Still waiting..........


Did you know I've specifically answered this post 4 times and you still keep repeating it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 14 2018 07:06 GMT
#621
I knew rayn can be busy d1? That wasn't what my case was? He posted to stop trolling and afks. That's fine. Not mafia indicative, anyone can be busy. Then he came back 12 hours later and did not contribute to the thread in any meaningful way. That is why I mafia read him. Afking means nothing. Doing nothing to stop what you've told people to stop doing looked bad.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 14 2018 07:44 GMT
#623
On June 14 2018 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What should i have done then?
I remember you coming in and saying nothing but "why is this game only 5 pages" at the time so what.. should i have forged some reads or?


Yes? Pressured someone. Started conversation? Flung out a vote to make someone do something. I voted koshi, could have jumped on there. Anything other than "this game is weird" into afking again.
Holyflare
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June 14 2018 16:47 GMT
#631
If a medic exists he should just claim so we have to lynch between them and fuba?
Holyflare
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June 14 2018 17:32 GMT
#634
Doesn't have to be asap. Can just be at deadline.
Holyflare
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June 14 2018 17:49 GMT
#636
On June 15 2018 01:54 TheSlenderMan wrote:
iamp, he did Vote you earlier, like an hour or two before the deadline.

The shuffle at the very last minute would, regardless, be very weird from a Mafia!HF. Like, even if both you and kitaman were Scum together with him. It would simply be super unnecessary.


If they were both scum I'd look great lol
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 06:34 GMT
#657
On June 15 2018 15:29 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I am just going to sheep rayn and vote HF most likely. I'll think about it.

I will post more in my lunch break.


What? Rayn's posts were outdated trash.
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 06:56 GMT
#659
Why is fuba a good lynch?? Any power role could just counter claim??
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 10:47 GMT
#667
On June 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp?

Holyflare
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June 15 2018 11:25 GMT
#677
On June 15 2018 19:49 Koshi wrote:
@HF. Yes. It is weird. Vut what does it mean?


If I was mafia and about to be lynched and a town iamp was another leading wagon I would:

Make a comment about voting iamp to save myself

Spread suspicion to iamp so I can vote him

At least make comments on the people voting on myself instead of scummy iamp.

Kita made a comment earlier in the thread that iamp had posted nothing and could easily be mafia but when it came down to crunch time he never mentioned any of the above. He had no thoughts about lynching the afk until I prodded him about it. Looks really bad to me.

The fact he was trying even harder to push suspicion onto me (lol) /mocsta/rayn instead of easy iamp was obvious mafia partners.
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 17:23 GMT
#681
Don't leave mocsta out. He scum read kita for purely bs reasons and his eod "walk out and be sad" looked pretty forced
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 17:23 GMT
#682
and he's just doing absolutely nothing now
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 19:05 GMT
#686
watching football tho
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 19:06 GMT
#687
We lynched mafia (inadvertently nonetheless) but not that enthusiastic really. I think we just lynch iamp for playing like trash and carry on from there. If he's town then we know mafia likely tried to save kita.
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 19:07 GMT
#688
don't think he is though
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 19:28 GMT
#698
On June 16 2018 04:13 Koshi wrote:
Like. I am the 3rd vote on iamp and I voted quite early. Because when I voted iamp it was because I had a lot of votes. Kita wasnt happening

And after that only kita and our blue voted iamp.


So why do you say mafia tried to save kita? That is such bullshit.


because nobody proposed any other target to lynch than kita/iamp (other than kitaman) and if I switched back to iamp kita would be alive

so either mafia is colossally shit and there were two mafia up for lynch and they did nothing to try and divert the wagons or iamp is town

I'm going with the colossally shit version though
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 19:28 GMT
#699
On June 16 2018 04:22 Koshi wrote:
Some1 needs to explain why we dont talk about Kelsier


bad, hasn't read, trash reads but does that stop him being town?

no fucking idea
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 19:55 GMT
#702
thank fuck he's on my fantasy football
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 23:02 GMT
#713
On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?


Semi like this point.
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 23:03 GMT
#714
On June 16 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.

Slender i cant tell is a hipster thinker or turning bullshit stones for thr sake of it. Def not enough for me to consider this cycle.

Iamp is trash on the same level as rels.
I dont agree with comments that kita intentionally ignored iamp as buddies. The other side of the WIFOM is that s an analytical player i suspect its within kita spectrum to consider that he would be hammered. Thus if he voted iamp to save homself it would confirm iamp. Instead once i vote myself he releases a case to try and flow to me as his prior scum read.

So voting for me today is either ksc or hf.

Ksc has followed thread sentiment in a sterile way and didnt seem to really want to lynch kitaman. Theres also the odd joke post early game from kota which could be scum banter.

My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior.




What did you mention prior?

Also I have plenty of reasons to still keep you in my pool of mafia. That doesn't make me mafia, it just makes me cautious.
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 23:04 GMT
#715
On June 16 2018 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?


Semi like this point.


Actually I don't really. Kelsier was on iamp that's why.
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 23:05 GMT
#716
I will vote kelsier nonetheless.
Holyflare
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June 15 2018 23:13 GMT
#717
On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?

Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too

Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit

On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities


I hammered kita you pleb.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 00:17 GMT
#722
do you think the great holyflare, mafia god, ever lets it get that close that I'd fuck up voting my team mate when all I do is phone post?
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 00:50 GMT
#725
On June 16 2018 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Thats as silly an argument as you are purporting for kita avoiding iamp

Sometimes regarsleas of desire, things can happen outside our control.


I think you've confused me for a lesser mafia player.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 01:18 GMT
#732
with his wild theories on me who knows
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 01:19 GMT
#734
for real though iamp a list post or something would be nice
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 01:20 GMT
#738
hehehe
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 01:21 GMT
#739
u fell for my trap
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 01:33 GMT
#743
some reads would be cool iamp
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 10:00 GMT
#756
how did I let it pass? I asked for his reads
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 10:05 GMT
#757
and I was voting for him and nobody else was??
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 10:06 GMT
#758
On June 16 2018 18:38 Koshi wrote:
Kelsier could be mafia.
But
Kelsier also could be the easiest misslynch for mafia to push.

Blah blah. It's so weak.


In the games I watched from Kelsier, he definitely also played like this as town. More activity though. But also very disconnected


this is also bad because there's only 2 people on kelsier so he's not exactly getting pushed
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 16:24 GMT
#766
am I in some fucking troll game?
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 16:55 GMT
#768
On June 17 2018 01:41 iamperfection wrote:
there is no way holyflare is mafia he could have just voted me for the tenth time stop wasting your votes there. vote kelsier.


well I mean I did try and vote for you

but this is the truth
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:06 GMT
#770
dunno what to tell you guys

mocsta must be mafia for this because none of the things he has said all game have made the slightest bit of sense

dunno about koshi, I feel like he's pushing in the right spots and then just defaults to shit lynches

grack is opportunistic as fuck

kelsier the same + bad filter

don't understand how it's so hard to lynch the afkers that don't do anything
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:07 GMT
#771
On June 17 2018 02:05 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare


Voted hf.

Let iamp pass and is watching cats in trees. Also rayn.


Why should I not let iamp pass? This is a very bad post because voting me is "letting iamp pass".

If I am "letting iamp pass" then why the fuck have I been pushing him the entire game after kita interaction?

don't think his post was as bad as you make it out to be
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:08 GMT
#772
especially since it was like 4am and I was playing dota when he posted it so I wasn't concentrating on it and I still don't particularly care what it says
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:10 GMT
#773
thing about kelsier's filter is that it's so unbelievably bad and incorrect I also think it's too bad to be mafia

but I'll continue voting him because fuck him if he's town

rels too
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:26 GMT
#777
I'll give you a summary of why mocsta is mafia though so maybe you'll do something about it:

1. Picking on things that don't make anyone mafia for illegitimate reasons (Kitaman case was full of incorrect points but when he got corrected he never updated the read, just kept it).

2. Nitpicking incessantly to reach no conclusions. See 90% of his day 1 posts towards me.

3. Continued to scum read kita for non-evolving reasons and not hearing or thinking otherwise.

4. His reads on scummy looking people were too contradictory for absolutely no reason (fuba and rayn day 1 (fuba looks super happy and therefore he's town??? rayn is not scummy because ??????))

5. Inconsistent reads that just get abandoned for no known reasons. (Says Koshi is mafia with Kitaman, calls Slender mafia a bit after that, both reads disappeared, lots of instances of reads like this vanishing).

6. Acting like a dick and attacking the player rather than the posts which if you look in any post-game that Mocsta is in you'll see him comment that this forum is a cesspool because people do that and he would never do it. He does it repeatedly this game and for no good reason.

7. The lead up to the kita lynch. He wants to lynch kita all game but when it comes to it he makes up a reason to vote himself and get off the wagon which enables the iamp wagon to get higher and higher

On June 14 2018 07:32 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:28 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
HF you know what

fuck you.
i want that apology from koshi, and i want to wipe that stupid grin from your face

+ i just got super tied up with EoFY stuff as well

##Unvote
##Vote: Mocsta

I cannot apologize for calling you a dumb townie if you go out like a dumb townie.

Just an fyi.
Well its pointless

im dumb for wanting to vote kita
im dumb for wanting to vote koshi

that only leaves myself..


this was all because koshi called him dumb and koshi was his scum read

On June 14 2018 08:08 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
Let it be known that I fell for his emotional appeal and wanted to vote iamp. Who is also probably mafia too but still.
acknowledged... vindiction but i prefer koshi

who came out to play when kitaman was in pressure.. koshi
who did koshi target.. kitaman primary voter.. me

maybe kita/koshi/iamp is possible too.

slenderman also comes to my mind
rels is still unknown
need to recheck why ksc chose iamp over kitaman too

on that note, adios


why does koshi leave his pool of scum reads? because of this:

I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.


but whenever I point out the same thing normally about why this makes someone mafia mocsta has previously said "oh, they can have the same reads but still call someone mafia" so reaching this conclusion is bull shit

8. Why am I in Mocsta's scum list? This observation is why:

On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?

Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too

Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit

On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities


but when I've contradicted it with "kelsier was already on the wagon" and tube updates his read and acknowledges it, instead Mocsta does not use this new evidence to update his read but he bull shits a read on me and now I'm a vote

9. now that iamp was a likely lynch with 2 votes????? mocsta, after receiving nothing new and learning nothing from iamp's read post and still having unanswered questions switches to me because it's an easy lynch on absolutely anyone right now and I'm the only one calling him potentially mafia left
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:30 GMT
#778
On June 17 2018 02:21 Grackaroni wrote:
You didn't really care all that much about Kita or Iamp lynch before the end of the day. I don't see why your thought process would jump to a kita/Iamp scum scenario by seeing Kita not voting Iamp. For one thing I don't see how Iamp is ever worth saving for Kita as scum. To me it just seems like you already know Kita is scum and are using that information to point to Iamp as his partner.
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 06:46 Holyflare wrote:
you pretty much just confirmed yourself mafia with iamp kita :D

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp?


Plus EoD Kita posts looked a lot like a last minute attempt to distance from you. And there's the fact that I really doubt Kita + 2 lurker scum team kills Superbia and that seems to be the alternative to HF scum team.


to a lesser player it might look that way

to a person taking votes out of context it might look that way

to an intelligent handsome man that can look at a simple vote count and another player's intentions it's easy to determine that interaction between the largest vote counted player vs the second wagon

it's not fucking rocket science either, how is it hard to reach this conclusion? Iamp is a shitter that has posted nothing, kita (as any alignment) should be worried about being lynched so I theorised that a player that doesn't vote an easy scummy lurker that he even posted about being scummy to save himself must make him mafia together with that person

I put myself in that position as either alignment and thought what I'd do. As town I would just vote to save myself and still make cases/pushes on who I think is mafia. As mafia, if Iamp was my partner I would just try and divert and last minute switch to save myself. If I am mafia and Iamp is town I just vote him and make up some bull shit. Maybe even try shenanigans.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:31 GMT
#779
Also to add to the kita thing, his emotional crap really did appeal to me enough that I was actually going to lynch iamp. I looked at the votes, saw everybody I hated on that wagon and saw slenderman (who looked really weird eod) on there and I wanted to bail asap.

and yeah that distancing point is bs really because he was mafia so nothing he says means anything
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:31 GMT
#780
didn't make sense to me at the time but if it gets people (like you) to make an excuse to vote me then his plan kind of worked, no?
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:33 GMT
#781
and yeah I've done nothing purely because I didn't give a shit to do anything, that doesn't make me mafia either

I had a weird buddy thing with iamp because I was playing dota with him at the time, nothing more really


dunno why he's defending me so hard when I did try and lynch him though
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:34 GMT
#782
If you want me to do something, putting votes on me seems to be the best way to do it I guess.

I don't think mocsta is town at all though because no information makes him fluidly update his reads. It's all static. You should read his filter and try and determine why his reads shift from A to B. Even if you do kill me, I don't care, just look into his filter and be like "hmm, he said this read, how does this fluidly update?"

the answer is it doesn't
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:39 GMT
#784
it's always based on either:

misinformation that when corrected or new evidence comes out he ignores and the read doesn't change
some bull shit tmi defence like on fuba and rayn day 1
rhetoric also based on misinformation on kita and when corrected it doesn't change
his posts on iamp today where iamp could easily be kita's partner but somehow mocsta weaves a narrative where that scenario doesn't make sense and makes that the most likely (tmi iamp is town?)
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:44 GMT
#785
There is no chance if I was mafia with kita that I would ever, ever put my partner in that position (if he's actually playing) without creating some kind of counter wagon or securing it.

If I am bussing my partner then I fully expect to get something out of it. Mistakenly lynching my partner is not in my repertoire and you should all feel bad for thinking it is. Being reactive today doesn't make me mafia either, it just makes me busy/lazy/tired and run down and want a chance to do nothing for a bit.

You're all equally guilty of doing that, this game is 40 pages and I am almost 25% of it.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:50 GMT
#788
On June 14 2018 06:28 Conversion wrote:

Day 2 Vote Count



iamperfection [3]: iamperfection, Tubesock, KelsierSC
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
fuba [1]: Grackaroni
kitaman27 [3]: Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, fuba
raynpelikoneet [0]: kitaman27
Rels [1]: Rels
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Koshi [1]: Grackaroni, Koshi, Grackaroni, Holyflare
Mocsta [2]: Koshi, Holyflare, kitaman27



iamperfection is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.




The votes are 4-4 between Kita and Iamp when Mocsta decided to do that bs unvote qq at koshi btw.
On June 14 2018 07:19 Grackaroni wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Kitaman


On June 14 2018 06:46 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote iamperfection


On June 14 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote
##VotE: Mocsta


what led me to believe kita and iamp are actually partners is that kita DID NOT vote iamp for the LONGEST time until it was almost too late:

On June 14 2018 07:34 Conversion wrote:

Day 2 Vote Count



iamperfection [5]: iamperfection, Tubesock, KelsierSC, Koshi, Holyflare
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
fuba [1]: Grackaroni
kitaman27 [4]: Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, fuba, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet [0]: kitaman27
Rels [1]: Rels
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Koshi [0]: Grackaroni, Koshi, Grackaroni, Holyflare
Mocsta [1]: Koshi, Holyflare, kitaman27



iamperfection is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.

Also a reminder that you cannot intentionally self-vote. Your vote will not move and will not be counted if you vote for yourself.

On June 14 2018 07:38 TheSlenderMan wrote:
##Vote: Kitaman27

On June 14 2018 07:39 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote: Koshi

^ notice in between this mocsta votes koshi who has no chance of getting lynched, so why?

On June 14 2018 07:50 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote: ##Vote: Kitaman27

On June 14 2018 07:51 kitaman27 wrote:
##unvote
##vote iamp

On June 14 2018 07:57 iamperfection wrote:
##Vote: Kitaman27


Iamp also does not vote to save himself until the last second either

so what could lead a good player (kita) who has scum read iamp and has no actual chance of getting anyone like rayn or mocsta lynched right then not vote to save himself until the last possible second when it's pretty much already too late?

because they are partners, iamp does the exact same thing or at least that's what my gut/head/intuition said

and mocsta in between all this just did nothing but try and shift blame and qq and only put his vote back on kita when it didn't even matter and because of what reason? some inane bull shit
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:52 GMT
#789
On June 17 2018 02:45 Grackaroni wrote:
You killed Jealous last game in the same way?


Jealous did not play.
Before the deadline I tried to shenanigan at least 4 different players to try and stop him getting lynched.
I would look bad if I did not vote jealous and he flipped the next cycle.
I took mad credit for lynching him and being the hammer.

Compared to this game where I tried 0 shenanigans
wanted to switch off him last second
got no credit for lynching him accidentally
thought both iamp and kita may have been partners so didn't care about who got lynched
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:54 GMT
#790
Can you explain to me what about mocsta's filter makes him look town? I really don't see anything there that does. Purely that he pushed kita? Is that the only reason?

Have you read his reasons for wanting to lynch kita?
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:56 GMT
#793
On June 11 2018 06:22 Rels wrote:
I agree with almost everything rayn said. Apart from a few things like kita and Grack. But the rest, I agree. In particular, I think the Superbia post where he lists his scumteam makes him town, and rayn seeing this when nobody else did makes him town too.

I don't like neither Palmar or iamp - Palmar's stuff on rayn is very weird. It's a weird mix of a joke and a serious read that I can only see coming from scum!Palmar - town!Palmar is blunt. I want to lynch him the most.

Koshi is weird. He was weird last game too though. But here he is saying I'm hiding behind my D1 activity when I'm super active as scum, and that's bad.


Rels makes this game impossible and it's bull shit. This post is very ridiculous with what happened with the nk and kita actually being mafia though.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:56 GMT
#794
I might lynch rels.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:56 GMT
#795
On June 17 2018 02:55 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta also voted kita when he just as easily could have stayed on me. Or why not go to iamp? Even if iamp is mafia better kill him over kita.

Dnu. I will not vote Mocsta with rayn dieing.

He said Mocsta was town. I am ok with that.


he also said I was mafia so he wasn't that great
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:57 GMT
#797
I'm lynching rels.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:57 GMT
#798
I would have probably killed rayn but that's beside the point.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 17:59 GMT
#799
On June 17 2018 02:55 Koshi wrote:
And kita vs Mocsta shit during the day makes it unlikely.


quotes?
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:01 GMT
#802
examples?
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:01 GMT
#803
rels post is tmi though
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:03 GMT
#805
ok look

if you're going to lynch me at least give me another cycle to make posts and reads instead of not killing the afk fucks

give me one day to make ammends
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:05 GMT
#807
+ there's a real chance rels is mafia
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:07 GMT
#810
that is indeed a weird post
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:07 GMT
#811
I thought the whole purpose of the self votes was that there were no modkills?
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:33 GMT
#817
On June 17 2018 03:13 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2018 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 06:22 Rels wrote:
I agree with almost everything rayn said. Apart from a few things like kita and Grack. But the rest, I agree. In particular, I think the Superbia post where he lists his scumteam makes him town, and rayn seeing this when nobody else did makes him town too.

I don't like neither Palmar or iamp - Palmar's stuff on rayn is very weird. It's a weird mix of a joke and a serious read that I can only see coming from scum!Palmar - town!Palmar is blunt. I want to lynch him the most.

Koshi is weird. He was weird last game too though. But here he is saying I'm hiding behind my D1 activity when I'm super active as scum, and that's bad.


Rels makes this game impossible and it's bull shit. This post is very ridiculous with what happened with the nk and kita actually being mafia though.

Dnu what you are saying but if you are scumreading Rels for predicting the future I dont know what to tell you.


I am scum reading rels for saying Superbia was town when superbia did nothing and superbia died. I am also scum reading rels for saying throwing in team mate kita into an arbitrary list of two people he didn't agree with rayn about.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:35 GMT
#818
give me another cycle at least

I'm getting lynched for absolutely no reason
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:35 GMT
#819
other than I was lazy this cycle?????
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:35 GMT
#820
don't know what you want me to do when I wanted to lynch iamp and all he posted was a list or kelsier and all he's done is nothing

I don't have any more information to go off of
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 18:36 GMT
#821
everyone else (apart from mocsta) posted at least some semblance of something I'd town read them for

even slenderman
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 19:12 GMT
#822
make koshi prove the kita/mocsta interactions that surely mean mocsta can't be mafia by the way

I think that's unfounded bull shit personally
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 19:16 GMT
#823
I'll do it for him actually
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 20:11 GMT
#824
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On June 09 2018 20:30 Mocsta wrote:
Y so srs hf?

Lemme give you top tip
kita is mafia for going to the effort of splitting kelsier post into mini quotes

BiG job right thurr.. and for what???


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On June 10 2018 17:35 Mocsta wrote:
##vote: kitamin27
Called me mafia


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On June 10 2018 21:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi rayn

Why is kelsier and superbia shining brightly to you?

Aside from a humerous start from superbia . All i see is poking at low hanging fruit with zero insight.

Also
If anything. I believe kitamin is scummy for his suggestive language with you e.g. "confront" rather than what you point out. This is because i think you are over exaggerating the intensity of his vote on you. Not sure yet if intentional.



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On June 10 2018 21:26 Mocsta wrote:
I like fuba and surprisingly hf.

Meh list is pretty big. Favourite is all talk no walk ksc.

On my day1 vote list
Kitamin or one of palmar/rayn

I dont like kitamin.
Rayn has some good content and some twisted content.
Palmar has the most forced content.
Preferring palmar than rayn.
Preferring kitamin than palmar.



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On June 11 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote:
will anyone vote kitamin with me?


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On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 10 2018 03:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Count me in on the rayn is mafia bandwagon.

First dude to whine about the thread not being on track is usually mafia trying to make a town post or a try hard townie and there is nothing to suggest the latter so far.
try hard vote. its parsed to meaningless fluff the content and appear more "analytical" that what it is

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On June 10 2018 03:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Mocsta mafia too for being eager to jump in the thread to call something out and falling way short. Can't imagine he actually thinks my joke post was an attempt to wow the thread for some town cred.
mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.

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On June 10 2018 13:56 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 10 2018 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also dislike kitaman's reasoning on the vote, because if that's the only two things you can think of then well.. oh boy you're wrong and gonna be wrong a lot.


Fine, I'll add party pooper to the potential options. It's the fact that you didn't really follow things up afterwards that looked the worst imo.

When you said that Palmar's post couldn't have been genuine it read more like "I haven't posted anything wrong yet so he can't possibly have caught me". Your claim that the initial Palmar post was relevant scumhunting doesn't carry much weight considering the comment was made in passing and you don't directly confront him until now after 3-4 people start pressuring you.

On June 10 2018 13:33 fuba wrote:
Don't vote rayn~


Lets hear why.
mafia!kitamin presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont argument.
its a core facet of the game to confront ppl hunting you. kitamin calls this scummy on the pretense of 3-4 others pressuring.. well fuck me, thats about as standard play as you can get.. why is this now leaning??

scum!kita.. thats why

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On June 09 2018 14:16 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 09 2018 09:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Man of 27 kitas, could you send me a banana?

I am all out of bananas. I have heard that you have the bananas.


We don't speak of that.

I think slender is just a random guy rayn knows from Vendetta Strada. They teamed up in a game I hosted a while back.
future point. acknowledges slender is a friend of rayn. Is actively hunting rayn, so i suspect should be asking for rayn for feedback if slender posts content






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On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.

how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.

secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.

Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.

There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.

#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player?


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On June 11 2018 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
#217
stop trying so much and you might see the forest instead of the trees.

i didnt mention kita joke post when i was seeking consolidation on him towards EoD.

koshi said his first vote would be on town. He voted rels. THis is why i commented, is koshi declaring rels a town read?

kelsier belittled his own contribution by claiming it was subject to a skim read.

definition of "berate" 100% applies to you.
"scold or criticize (someone) angrily."
experience says its normally scum that like to shit on player straight after a lynch.

In my opinion, you have only considered people outside of rayn in the past hour because you didnt get the lynch you wanted and are now trying to bully those that opposed the o-so-mighty HF.
Clearly the next point is conjecture, but i dare surmise that of those you are berating, none were your second lynch option prior to EoD.


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On June 11 2018 10:33 Mocsta wrote:
You seem to hold the same position as Rayn, in that all votes are of the same intensity.
Early votes to me are the same as a Finger of Suspicion was back in the day.
What matters is how it unfolds which is that when I was seeking Kitamin consolidation, I did not reference the initial joke post. This point/item is simply not worthy of further discourse.

As for your query to explain the reference below:
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kitaman27:Mocsta mafia too for being eager to jump in the thread to call something out and falling way short. Can't imagine he actually thinks my joke post was an attempt to wow the thread for some town cred.
Mocsta:mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.
Holyflare:which doesn't make any sense to me and looks like you misconstruing. Please explain it to me (it's also based on his rebuttal from the joke post).
In retrospect I can see this is written confusingly.
The point I was attempting to make is that kitamin27 is calling me mafia for being "outright wrong/stupid".
I find rather that it is townies early game that are more likely to make polarizing / wrong / stupid statements early game simply because of the lack of information and that by nature, extroverted people need external stimuli to draw conclusions

P.S. I find half the things you write I have to sit and think deeply about, whereas to you, its clear as daylight.
We clearly dot i's and cross t's differently.

Noted and accepted on renewed vigour.

You can look at people that pushed a town lynch as much as you want; but i dont recall you trying to persuade against a palmar lynch nor you stepping up in his absence when the votes were tight. Meaningless now to question whether you thought he was a terrible lynch choice though so will leave this.


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On June 12 2018 08:38 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote: Kitaman27

scummy summary list on top of previous stuff
+ in what world is rayn + mocsta both mafia.



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On June 12 2018 08:57 Mocsta wrote:
literally you held a relatively strong position before on read with no mention of iamp at all.

Now everything else is dropped.. pfft.

Why not kitaman?


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On June 12 2018 09:56 Mocsta wrote:
what do you make of kitaman27 EoN observation about HF?

On one hand, it made me instantly think.. ohh, thats a good observation, interesting.
On the other hand, I dont believe there are explicit references to this as frankly, I dont know if HF has a strong read beyond Rayn (and now, presumably Kita).

The short story is, do you think this is something someone (i.e Kitaman) can genuinely misrepresent?



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On June 12 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
TS, I take it you are referring to this?

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On June 11 2018 07:48 Grackaroni wrote: It's SHENNANNY time people
On June 11 2018 07:50 Grackaroni wrote: I voted perfect.
On June 11 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote: no shenanigans, lynch rayn with all the people that people scum read
On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching.
On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: Thought I'm not sure what Rayn is.
On June 11 2018 07:59 fuba wrote: ##Vote: Palmar
On June 11 2018 08:03 Calix wrote: Palmar reached 5 votes first and is the lynch.
On June 11 2018 07:59 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn
On June 11 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
lynch grack for either being partners with rayn and wanting credit on his eventual flip or wanting to "appear" to want to vote rayn without actually lynching him
On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote: At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn.
What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy.
On June 11 2018 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches so I said that anticipating criticism of Rayn being lynched over Palmar and me throwing away my vote instead of voting a main wagon.
On June 11 2018 08:38 kitaman27 wrote: Anticipating criticism? How do you know he wasn't going to flip mafia?
For what it's worth a rayn + grack scum team doesn't make a ton of sense in my opinion based on the earlier plea from rayn.
meh guess we'll see where the night shot goes and go from there.


Well yes.. it does read overly dramatic and devoid of town motivation. The filter prior is nothing shining either.
I will throw out there that fuba/Grack vote timestamps are the same. So Grack may have tried to hammer Rayn.
I acknowledge Kitaman may have alluded to this when claiming rayn/grack doesnt make sense - however, I suspect that this was more tied to rayns multiple posts about Grack not being mafia.

In summary, I am probably most curious to uncover why Grack felt the need to ditch his dead vote on iamp (and possibly hammer) if he didnt feel strongly about either lynch.

Also, I dont know how I feel about a kita/grack team. Need to let this sink in more..


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On June 12 2018 21:24 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi 316/417
Real bad

Declares tubesock town based on a post suggesting i am mafia. Then declares me most likely mafia.

Blatantly hiding behind others reads.
I would like to know if koshi read on kitaman


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On June 13 2018 07:12 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 12 2018 22:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Alright I'm mostly caught up. I should have more time to play after this evening.

I'm not really sure what to make of the superbia shot as his day one was rather lackluster.

Tube looks pretty good now that he's entered the thread. Koshi I kinda have a gut read as the townish side of null for #198. Grack's reasoning for his vote pattern was scummy, but the way he admitted to screwing up rather than trying to justify things seems a bit genuine.

I don't want to lynch into anyone other than rayn or mocsta this cycle at this point. More on them when I get the chance.
What is this even saying in red and bold? Red = scummy, Point in bold is absolutely neutral, yet is written as townish.

What is it...


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On June 13 2018 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 12 2018 23:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Mocsta
Rayn
HF

In order of towniness. I feel pretty good about this much. I misread HF last game but there were a lot of signs that I didn't pick up on in retrospect. His posts are much more investigatory and I think he picks up on worthwhile things to push in his Fuba/Grackaroni posts. Last game he basically just chose strong targets and attempted to spew them as scum like Fuba said. I have a different feel towards him this game than last game.

I want to lynch Koshi for his Mocsta read. We usually have pretty similar reads on things and Mocsta's posts after the day 1 flip are extremely townie and (imo) entertaining to read:

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On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.

you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.

we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.

the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls.

On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.

how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.

secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.

Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.

There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.


#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player?

On June 11 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote:
#213 i can see your perspective, but i dont undrestand why you hold it.

like fuba to me reads like a feeler rather than a thinker.
Why would you hold him to the same cold hard logical disposition of an introverted thinker?

in my opinion, a feeler is more likely to cotton onto other arguments to join bandwagons, rather than put up blank positions that people like you can instantly shit on.

Happy to be proven wrong from a meta dive if you can point in the right direction.
i suspect im not far off the mark though.



On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc

Really does almost nothing

On June 12 2018 20:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe Ido him short but his posts are the most boring and he just repeats the content of posts others made

Yawn

I think Koshi is just choosing Mocsta because he seems lynchable based off HF/Kitaman pressure rather than this being his own read. Also I suspect that the Superbia night kill was made by either Koshi or Rels.

Voting Koshi.
I am seeing the light.
I note that Koshi avoided giving me a read on Kitaman too.


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On June 13 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 12 2018 23:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Part of rayn's scum read on Palmar is that Palmar had a mafia read on rayn, but wanted to put it off for a later date. Now rayn has a "100% mafia" read on HF and tells us to lynch him day 4?! How isn't that blatantly scummy?

People that are defending rayn are focusing too much on whether or not rayn had a valid reason for thinking Palmar was mafia. Palmar's play sucked. It's whatever. That's not what makes rayn look so bad in my opinion. It's the way he waited to go hard against Palmar until later and the way all his views on players in this game are based on whether they town or mafia read him.

1) Palmar scum reads rayn but doesn't want to deal with it during the weekend
2) rayn calls the read in-genuine but leaves it at that
3) Several players including Palmar vote rayn making him the top vote candidate.
4) Palmar is 100% mafia and votes him
5) rayn attacks kita for his vote
6) casts suspicion onto iamp for his vote
7) rayn buddies up to the individuals who are on his side of the wagon
8) rayn survives the lynch
9) Kita is 100% mafia and votes him
10) HF is now 100% mafia and votes him too after a very leading question about "why is he alive" and having the chance to engage him in the thread. Wants to vote for HF day 4 though so why isn't he still pushing kita as the main lynch?

He seems more interesting in attacking whoever is directly opposing him at the time.
I believe the Day4 post was a joke in spite.. about how ppl say, we will save HF to the end, and then as mafia he convinces you to vote town.... self-fulfilling prophecy.

Can you please walk me through why Rayn delaying on Palmar is so clutch to your case?
I think its normal to brush off pressure until more join the party. What actually makes that scummy?
Rayn as town is known to OMGUS pretty hard, this doesn't seem to be placed in consideration at all for your read.

This is another summary list post blown out like a hot air balloon.


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On June 13 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 13 2018 00:03 Koshi wrote:
Kita tries hard but I like it
This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn
Take back comment b4.
Didnt see this.

What makes you say he is trying hard?
all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where...


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On June 13 2018 08:01 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 13 2018 07:34 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 13 2018 07:12 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2018 22:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Alright I'm mostly caught up. I should have more time to play after this evening.

I'm not really sure what to make of the superbia shot as his day one was rather lackluster.

Tube looks pretty good now that he's entered the thread. Koshi I kinda have a gut read as the townish side of null for #198. Grack's reasoning for his vote pattern was scummy, but the way he admitted to screwing up rather than trying to justify things seems a bit genuine.

I don't want to lynch into anyone other than rayn or mocsta this cycle at this point. More on them when I get the chance.
What is this even saying in red and bold? Red = scummy, Point in bold is absolutely neutral, yet is written as townish.

What is it...


I lean town on him if it wasn't clear.
thats my case in point.

admitting to screwing up things is a completely neutral thing.
what does genuine have to do with town?

what in particular about that exchange leans town, as being bona fide/genuine/authentic by itself is neutral.


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On June 13 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
The observation that rayns reads lines up with thread sentiment to rayn is actually very good.
But this is why you are scum kita...
Your forte... the associated analysis.. well, its terrible.

See, to me, bar KSC.. rayn has organically shown how those reads were reached in my opinion. This makes your observation a coincidence.
Like, we cant get hamstrung on the KSC/superbia thing because IT WAS EARLY GAME. and unfortunately, KSC has done fuck all since so there is no genuine opportunity to ask Rayn (or others) to re-evaluate.


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On June 13 2018 08:21 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 13 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 13 2018 07:29 Mocsta wrote:
rayn has kept up activity, logic and his new writing style.


What? He's been a non-factor this cycle.

The only the he even mentions me is "kitaman is not town. can you please go and read what i have wrote on him and actually think about it?".

Then he catches HF but has done not much at all to get him lynched.
That is far-fetching.

Hes in the top 3 posters this cycle surely.

Hes definitely less of a non-factor than:
tubesock/Koshi/Rels/KSC/iamperfection/Slenderman


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On June 13 2018 20:00 Mocsta wrote:
Hf
Why did you drop kitaman out of your lynch pool


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On June 13 2018 20:18 Mocsta wrote:
HF:
We dont play the same and frankly you call me mafia every game no matter what i do, because of this.
I'm pretty tired of you getting fixated on round pegs that fit round holes, thinking they should be square.
I'm going to keep calling out these posts of yours, so get used to it.

This is where i am at anyways
Holyflare
Rayn
fuba
kitaman27
tubesock
koshi
Rels
KelsierSC
iamperfection
Grackaroni
TheSlenderMan

Holy is intention half green as hes the weakest of my town circle.
Whilst the timing of fuba claim is questionable, I am inclined to outright believe it because of the observation Grack identified prior. That observation solidifies Grack as confirmed town for me as well.

I think HF is focusing on whats in front of him, cos 40% of the game is AFK. But overall I think the game is solved in that list of red and black.

In short this cycle: Kitaman27 >> Koshi >> Anyone else.


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On June 14 2018 07:22 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 14 2018 07:17 Koshi wrote:
Blah. If Kita is mafia I should apologize to Mocsta. I wont. But the idea will cross my mind. That's annoying.
Obviously you already know the answer to this, so I am expecting that apology.. br0

I also note that you are being aggressively rude this game.
something wrong in personal life? or that concerned about your teammate getting lynched?

thats a genuine question btw if it didnt come across that way.


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On June 14 2018 07:54 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.
l0l0l0l0l0l0l

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On June 14 2018 07:51 kitaman27 wrote:
##unvote
##vote iamp



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-----day 3 (kita already dead)-----

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On June 14 2018 08:08 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 14 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
Let it be known that I fell for his emotional appeal and wanted to vote iamp. Who is also probably mafia too but still.
acknowledged... vindiction but i prefer koshi

who came out to play when kitaman was in pressure.. koshi
who did koshi target.. kitaman primary voter.. me

maybe kita/koshi/iamp is possible too.

slenderman also comes to my mind
rels is still unknown
need to recheck why ksc chose iamp over kitaman too

on that note, adios


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On June 16 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.

Slender i cant tell is a hipster thinker or turning bullshit stones for thr sake of it. Def not enough for me to consider this cycle.

Iamp is trash on the same level as rels.
I dont agree with comments that kita intentionally ignored iamp as buddies. The other side of the WIFOM is that s an analytical player i suspect its within kita spectrum to consider that he would be hammered. Thus if he voted iamp to save homself it would confirm iamp. Instead once i vote myself he releases a case to try and flow to me as his prior scum read.

So voting for me today is either ksc or hf.

Ksc has followed thread sentiment in a sterile way and didnt seem to really want to lynch kitaman. Theres also the odd joke post early game from kota which could be scum banter.

My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior.




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On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?

Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too

Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit

On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities


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On June 16 2018 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Thats as silly an argument as you are purporting for kita avoiding iamp

Sometimes regarsleas of desire, things can happen outside our control.


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On June 16 2018 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 16 2018 09:50 Holyflare wrote:
On June 16 2018 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Thats as silly an argument as you are purporting for kita avoiding iamp

Sometimes regarsleas of desire, things can happen outside our control.


I think you've confused me for a lesser mafia player.
dud3

It could have been as easy as you and kita were arguing how to proceed and he demanded the vote swap to iamp which you did late

Theory mongering aside
Its actually very impressive the conviction and coordination needed to land 2 votes on the phone in less than 1 minute











1. poor attempt to spread mafia intentions to kita based on joke post

2. omgus over nothing????

3. how is saying "confront" ever scummy language ever? just another instance of mocsta attributing random things to an alignment to push a read

4. "I don't like kita" (for what reasons?????)

5. plz vote kita that nobody wants to lynch even though I'm fine with palmar dying and I haven't given any reasons to scum read kita???

6. here are some totally fabricated reasons to lynch kita that hf has already pointed out as extremely incorrect and misconstructions (see here)

7. now tries to spread suspicion on me but falls way short because each and every point he raises is factually incorrect and a misconstruction. I had reconsidered rayn, I had just made cases on 3 separate people on why they were mafia and I did not berate a single person.

8. pointless nitpicking

9. tries to say kita is scummy for saying mocsta was scummy for mocsta saying kita was scummy because kita called kelsier scummy as a joke

10. not scummy, rayn and mocsta could easily be mafia together, how does it not make sense?

11. meh

12. "What do you think of kita's observation on hf? I think it's good. Kita is mafia!"

13. kita/grack what? how did he reach that and why? why does it make grack/kita a team? these are all just reaction posts to people

14. koshi's post is bad, he doesn't even have a read on kita even though he does and posted it recently but even then why should he? this whole post is terrible, since when does sheeping a town read make you scummy and even if it's not sheeping then why is it scummy that he scum reads mocsta and so does tube?????????? this is not town thought process

15. This is one of my most disliked mocsta posts because simply put, it doesn't make any sort of sense. not only do the red and black make perfect sense together but somehow mocsta takes a semi town lean and says = completely neutral and therefore kita is mafia because of it. Even if it did say what mocsta thinks it said it's not scummy at all yet he reaches the conclusion it sounds like a town lean (which it was) while saying the evidence is wrong. Nothing about this post makes sense.

16. again, koshi did not avoid giving a read on kita

17. rayn spends the entire cycle saying I'm mafia and actually voting me and kita points it out as it not being a joke and mocsta goes and somehow twists it to saying rayn was just joking. kita's post is also not a "summary post" like mocsta says because it has evidence, a conclusion and motivation all combined into it and mocsta tries to twist it elsewhere

18. opposite of what I saw and opposite of what mocsta has actually been commenting on from kita

19. wrong assumption of town behaviour and says that admitting to screwing up is completely neutral but initially when I voted kita and said I screwed up it wasn't that neutral to him then, now it's even scummy somehow???

20. "Your points on rayn are very good kita, but this is why you are mafia!"??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? "See, there's exceptions to this read that are unanswered but that's okay because rayn is defo town guys and kita is defo mafia because of this"???????????????

21. "Rayn has kept up his posting", "No he hasn't", "definitely has in comparison to lurkers" - sidesteps kita's original argument to make it look pointless that kita is posting it, no evaluation here

22. I didn't drop him out of my lynch pool ever.

23. no mention of why koshi is mafia in this post whatsoever, pointless list post that brings nothing new to the table at a time when a list post wasn't needed or asked for

24. HE SCUM READS KOSHI AND ALREADY KNOWS KITA IS FLIPPING MAFIA BEFORE HE HAS AND PREEMPTS THIS BY TELLING KOSHI TO GET READY FOR AN APOLOGY EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE KOSHI'S JOB AS MAFIA TO SPREAD THESE THINGS. MOST TMI POST IN FILTER.

25. pointless because obviously someone votes to save themselves so nothing hypocritical about it and detracts from the original point that iamp and slender were scummy lurkers

26. list of a scum team that hasn't really commented on ever and iamp is present in it but for what reason? Later he doesn't want to lynch iamp because of some abstract reason that kita could have played like this if iamp was town??? Still absolutely no reason for iamp missing from his reads to date (he scum reads me and kelsier)???

27. likes koshi's read on tubesock but tubesock won't go in mocsta's scummy pile so why did he like koshi's tubesock points???

Slender was in his scum list with koshi and iamp and kita and before the lynch he said "if I die lynch this guy" yet apparently slender isn't the lynch today for no discernible reason?

this is where he also TMIs that iamp could be town and a reason why kita did what he did as mafia, there's absolutely no reason for this whatsoever other than an excuse to not lynch iamp which... was in mocsta's list post as mafia before and nothing changed but for some reason he's not anymore?

the post on me is bull shit because what has mocsta mentioned before this post about iamp that could make him not mafia? the answer is absolutely nothing. Mocsta even scum read iamp. Of course I'd do nothing this cycle when the people I want to lynch are iamp or kelsier or rels or mocsta because 3/4 of them are afk so what does he expect me to do?

28. Not an excellent point anymore after I rebutted it. He comes back later after I did and there's no reevaluation on this post though, he just uses it as further ammunition to keep voting me still??? (look at what I said about fluid reads not existing)

29. apparently I've turned shit at mafia and make no attempt to save my scum partner and fuck up the voting so that I accidentally lynch my partner

30. apparently we argue in scum chat and that's why I didn't want to vote a scummy lurker that I'd have every excuse to lynch over a guy that I wouldn't get much credit over lynching and was my partner and leave it to the last minute to do

this is the definition of narrative and it's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad! where is my town out? There is never EVER one when mocsta refers to me, it's all trying to spin it to the mafia narrative and never a summing up of what makes the most sense

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 16 2018 20:12 GMT
#825
koshi your points about mocsta's interaction with kita are now confirmed bull shit

I've looked at every single one of their interactions, I've ctrl + f mocsta's filter of even EVERY mention of kita (see above) and they are all so meek and trivial and misconstructions that it looks like it's really obvious that they are partners

all the things mocsta says about kita are so backwards to reach as a towny thought process that it just looks like a really obvious bus that went down badly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 20:13 GMT
#826
does anyone even know how mocsta goes from koshi/kita/iamp scum team to only wanting to vote kelsier and myself today?

does anyone even know why mocsta even scum reads me?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 20:26 GMT
#828
by the way koshi you should read this page, it's pretty much a carbon copy of this game

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=104#2064
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 20:28 GMT
#829
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=33#641

and this page because it summarises mocsta this game so well and I was correct there too
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 20:47 GMT
#831
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2018 08:08 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
Let it be known that I fell for his emotional appeal and wanted to vote iamp. Who is also probably mafia too but still.
acknowledged... vindiction but i prefer koshi

who came out to play when kitaman was in pressure.. koshi
who did koshi target.. kitaman primary voter.. me

maybe kita/koshi/iamp is possible too.

slenderman also comes to my mind
rels is still unknown
need to recheck why ksc chose iamp over kitaman too

on that note, adios


On June 15 2018 07:13 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 15 2018 07:05 Tubesock wrote:
Koshi, Rels, KelsierSC covers the last two.

It’s still theoretically possible Iamperfection is mafia but I think low chance.
pool is def there.

i think with the kita lynch, this could be auto?

On June 15 2018 07:38 Mocsta wrote:
ohh yeah forgot about you.

ok, pool of 5 i dont htink is auto. makes more sense.

On June 16 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote:
Hi guys

On June 16 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.

Slender i cant tell is a hipster thinker or turning bullshit stones for thr sake of it. Def not enough for me to consider this cycle.

Iamp is trash on the same level as rels.
I dont agree with comments that kita intentionally ignored iamp as buddies. The other side of the WIFOM is that s an analytical player i suspect its within kita spectrum to consider that he would be hammered. Thus if he voted iamp to save homself it would confirm iamp. Instead once i vote myself he releases a case to try and flow to me as his prior scum read.

So voting for me today is either ksc or hf.

Ksc has followed thread sentiment in a sterile way and didnt seem to really want to lynch kitaman. Theres also the odd joke post early game from kota which could be scum banter.

My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior.



On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?

Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too

Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit

On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities

On June 16 2018 08:45 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote:
On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?

Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too

Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit

On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities


I hammered kita you pleb.
by accident ,yes you did.

You vote swapped tk iamp and it didnt count.
The person you are pushing, conveniently

On June 16 2018 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Thats as silly an argument as you are purporting for kita avoiding iamp

Sometimes regarsleas of desire, things can happen outside our control.

On June 16 2018 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 09:50 Holyflare wrote:
On June 16 2018 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Thats as silly an argument as you are purporting for kita avoiding iamp

Sometimes regarsleas of desire, things can happen outside our control.


I think you've confused me for a lesser mafia player.
dud3

It could have been as easy as you and kita were arguing how to proceed and he demanded the vote swap to iamp which you did late

Theory mongering aside
Its actually very impressive the conviction and coordination needed to land 2 votes on the phone in less than 1 minute

On June 16 2018 10:11 Mocsta wrote:
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On June 16 2018 10:03 iamperfection wrote:
are my posts not going through ?
one read this game...

One fucking read pls

On June 16 2018 10:12 Mocsta wrote:
Perfect

Give a read on slender pls

On June 16 2018 10:18 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 10:18 iamperfection wrote:
are you stupid
Yes

and I am need of your wisdom on slenderman

On June 16 2018 10:28 Mocsta wrote:
iamp, what has slenderman being maybe a smurf got to do with being "maybe town"

On June 16 2018 22:52 Mocsta wrote:
##vote: holyflare

No new reasons to add


This is every post mocsta has posted this cycle. It's almost none (like 10 posts max?).

Mocsta has based his whole game on scum reading his partner so that when that's done he's left very much in the dark on who to scum read next. It's very evidence that he's just clutching at straws the whole time. I'll take you through the journey:

On June 14 2018 08:08 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
Let it be known that I fell for his emotional appeal and wanted to vote iamp. Who is also probably mafia too but still.
acknowledged... vindiction but i prefer koshi

who came out to play when kitaman was in pressure.. koshi
who did koshi target.. kitaman primary voter.. me

maybe kita/koshi/iamp is possible too.

slenderman also comes to my mind
rels is still unknown
need to recheck why ksc chose iamp over kitaman too

on that note, adios



Mocsta's scum team coming fresh out of the kita lynch is kita/koshi/iamp with slenderman/rels/ksc as back ups. Not awful list. Notice how Iamp features prominently here based on absolutely nothing. Have you seen a reason to scum read iamp that makes him the main person mocsta thinks is mafia? I sure haven't.

On June 15 2018 07:38 Mocsta wrote:
ohh yeah forgot about you.

ok, pool of 5 i dont htink is auto. makes more sense.


Slender asks why he isn't in mocsta's pool and mocsta replies to it with the above. This is a critical misplay by Mocsta. It shows he doesn't even know who is in his list, it shows that he isn't thinking critically about people that could be mafia. It shows that he hasn't followed up on his previous read that slenderman should be the lynch tomorrow if he dies. Slenderman is already in his fucking list!


So, now that we have that out of the way let's move on to pretty much the NEXT post from mocsta where he makes a big list post effectively eliminating some people from his lynch pool today.

On June 16 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.

Slender i cant tell is a hipster thinker or turning bullshit stones for thr sake of it. Def not enough for me to consider this cycle.

Iamp is trash on the same level as rels.
I dont agree with comments that kita intentionally ignored iamp as buddies. The other side of the WIFOM is that s an analytical player i suspect its within kita spectrum to consider that he would be hammered. Thus if he voted iamp to save homself it would confirm iamp. Instead once i vote myself he releases a case to try and flow to me as his prior scum read.

So voting for me today is either ksc or hf.

Ksc has followed thread sentiment in a sterile way and didnt seem to really want to lynch kitaman. Theres also the odd joke post early game from kota which could be scum banter.

My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior.





Let's break this down for the hot garbage it is. Koshi's observation on tubesock that tubesock shares the same reads as him but gets called mafia is so good that it's enough for koshi to fall completely out of Mocsta's scum list. This is the Koshi that mocsta has scum read all of day 2 with kita and said came to defend kita. He is not mafia because he made a simple observation about reads. This is from Mocsta who I have most definitely seen say the words "just because we share the same reads doesn't mean I town read you or scum read you" so by his very own definition in another game this is NOT a good observation.

He doesn't agree with my comments about kita ignoring iamp if they are both mafia. Okay, that's fair. Then he makes up a narrative that could happen. Okay, that's fair. Why does that make iamp any alignment though? It weighs nothing one way or another because mafia could do ANYTHING in that scenario since my point and Mocsta's points are both valid scenarios. So why does Iamp now fall out of his scum list?

Kelsier is a crappy no content poster that has posted so many wrong things the entirety of the game, obviously he gets mentioned as a free mislynch if he's town. (His filter has kind of towny sparks imo).

Slender goes from being definitely lynch to not being lynched even though Mocsta says he could still be scummy. So many options being kept open here.

Now there's me. I have not featured in his scum lists once this entire game. Mocsta has eliminated his scum list from Koshi/Iamp/Kita/Slender/KSC/rels to simply me/ksc. How? Look at these last few lines:


My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior.


His scum list is 90% afkers and lurkers so why should I be reevaluating when my vote is on one of the people that was in his scum list? Not to mention, I did actually evaluate to reach my lynch target by way of the kita/iamp interactions to assume we should lynch iamp. Even if iamp is town then we learn a lot about the deadline and what happened and what mafia were thinking and that's a lot of information.

So, yeah, it's the weekend, I'm not posting that often (I think I've still posted a shit tonne since the flip) and I've called mocsta mafia (which hasn't changed throughout the whole game) yet I end up there in his list (even the person he wants to lynch the MOST!) for no actual reason other than "JUST SIMPLE LYNCH IAMP WITH NO CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT I MENTIONED PRIOR".

BUT HE DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING PRIOR OTHER THAN IN THIS POST. AND I EXPLAINED WHY IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

EVEN THEN WHY DOES ME AFKING ON IAMP MAKE ME MAFIA OVER ANY OF HIS LIST OR ANY OF THE LURKERS. IT DOESN'T. I AM A FABRICATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at absolutely everything he writes AFTER this post. It's absolutely ALL a narrative about why I am mafia and what I did that makes me mafia at the deadline. I conveniently did nothing to save my partner. I fucked up the timing and lynched my partner. I had an argument with kitamin and I wanted to bus but he wanted me to save him. How fucking farfetched is this bull shit that he's trying to push.

No koshi.
No iamp.
No kelsier.
No slender.

Just me, simply because. No rhyme or reason, just the next mislynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 20:50 GMT
#833
maybe you should read exactly what I just wrote
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 16 2018 20:51 GMT
#835
that's the opposite of a townie post

he fucking scum read koshi rels
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 16 2018 20:52 GMT
#836
he scum reads koshi, koshi scum reads mocsta

mocsta self votes at a time when he's not going to die (and can't even self vote anyway) and at a time where the vote actually stops kita being a majority

why does he self vote to prove his second biggest mafia read wrong?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 16 2018 20:54 GMT
#839
Anyway, I've voted Mocsta. If none of you want to lynch rels or kelsier with a preference for rels (if you don't want to vote mocsta) then I will die by my sword and just be happy with a minor obs victory on being correct.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 20:57 GMT
#841
On June 17 2018 05:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I know what HF's been up to today.


If the answer is anything other than whisky and masturbation you'd be wrong.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 20:59 GMT
#844
I will sit here being annoying until then then. Just don't lynch me and you'll be good.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 16 2018 21:00 GMT
#845
On June 17 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
by the way koshi you should read this page, it's pretty much a carbon copy of this game

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=104#2064

On June 17 2018 05:28 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=33#641

and this page because it summarises mocsta this game so well and I was correct there too


these 2 games are hilariously on point by the way, definitely read these two pages
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:02 GMT
#846
the second link specifically I think
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:02 GMT
#848
which ironically was a game where they bussed too
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 21:02 GMT
#849
you were in it :D
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 21:05 GMT
#851
That's fine. Can we lynch some shit afker then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:05 GMT
#852
like mocsta
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 21:05 GMT
#853
ooooo sick burn
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 21:15 GMT
#866
On June 17 2018 06:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2018 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2018 03:13 Koshi wrote:
On June 17 2018 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 06:22 Rels wrote:
I agree with almost everything rayn said. Apart from a few things like kita and Grack. But the rest, I agree. In particular, I think the Superbia post where he lists his scumteam makes him town, and rayn seeing this when nobody else did makes him town too.

I don't like neither Palmar or iamp - Palmar's stuff on rayn is very weird. It's a weird mix of a joke and a serious read that I can only see coming from scum!Palmar - town!Palmar is blunt. I want to lynch him the most.

Koshi is weird. He was weird last game too though. But here he is saying I'm hiding behind my D1 activity when I'm super active as scum, and that's bad.


Rels makes this game impossible and it's bull shit. This post is very ridiculous with what happened with the nk and kita actually being mafia though.

Dnu what you are saying but if you are scumreading Rels for predicting the future I dont know what to tell you.


I am scum reading rels for saying Superbia was town when superbia did nothing and superbia died. I am also scum reading rels for saying throwing in team mate kita into an arbitrary list of two people he didn't agree with rayn about.

Mafia kills people that scumread them. Mafia don't kill people they pocket. This makes no sense. This makes as little sense as you scumreading rayn during D2 when rayn never kills Superiba N1.


Superbia was 100% either a rayn or a Mocsta kill. I also did not scum read rayn for that kill, I just simply said it was likely one of them that did it. With a preference for Mocsta because he did those weird kills as mafia a few games ago and even said he'd make a kill that wouldn't change the game state to further his agenda. He had the most to gain from it.

In hindsight, it made sense for kita to kill superbia because it didn't change the game state and he could keep scum reading rayn and hope that I push him with him + medic dodge.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:16 GMT
#868
On June 17 2018 06:15 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2018 06:12 Rels wrote:
HF / iamp. It makes perfect sense.

From the people playing the game I would agree.

But you don't think there is a chance last 2 mafia are just afk?


he needs to make an excuse to jump on the highest wagon
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 16 2018 21:17 GMT
#870
I agree with your slender/rels thing but not the above. That's kind of just a question.
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 21:17 GMT
#872
I've not played with slender though but gut feeling he looks towny imo.

Means nothing to his actual alignment though, he could well be mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:18 GMT
#874
On June 17 2018 06:17 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2018 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2018 06:10 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2018 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2018 03:13 Koshi wrote:
On June 17 2018 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 06:22 Rels wrote:
I agree with almost everything rayn said. Apart from a few things like kita and Grack. But the rest, I agree. In particular, I think the Superbia post where he lists his scumteam makes him town, and rayn seeing this when nobody else did makes him town too.

I don't like neither Palmar or iamp - Palmar's stuff on rayn is very weird. It's a weird mix of a joke and a serious read that I can only see coming from scum!Palmar - town!Palmar is blunt. I want to lynch him the most.

Koshi is weird. He was weird last game too though. But here he is saying I'm hiding behind my D1 activity when I'm super active as scum, and that's bad.


Rels makes this game impossible and it's bull shit. This post is very ridiculous with what happened with the nk and kita actually being mafia though.

Dnu what you are saying but if you are scumreading Rels for predicting the future I dont know what to tell you.


I am scum reading rels for saying Superbia was town when superbia did nothing and superbia died. I am also scum reading rels for saying throwing in team mate kita into an arbitrary list of two people he didn't agree with rayn about.

Mafia kills people that scumread them. Mafia don't kill people they pocket. This makes no sense. This makes as little sense as you scumreading rayn during D2 when rayn never kills Superiba N1.


Superbia was 100% either a rayn or a Mocsta kill. I also did not scum read rayn for that kill, I just simply said it was likely one of them that did it. With a preference for Mocsta because he did those weird kills as mafia a few games ago and even said he'd make a kill that wouldn't change the game state to further his agenda. He had the most to gain from it.

In hindsight, it made sense for kita to kill superbia because it didn't change the game state and he could keep scum reading rayn and hope that I push him with him + medic dodge.

Superbia only makes sense as a iamp kill.


if you say so

it's called an opinion, if it's wrong then it's a wrong opinion but it was my opinion that it was either rayn or mocsta

you're just arguing about an irrelevant point tbh
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:19 GMT
#875
like who gives a shit if only iamp could make that kill?

how does that affect anything we're doing now or what I thought back then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:21 GMT
#879
On June 17 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2018 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2018 06:17 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2018 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2018 06:10 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2018 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2018 03:13 Koshi wrote:
On June 17 2018 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 06:22 Rels wrote:
I agree with almost everything rayn said. Apart from a few things like kita and Grack. But the rest, I agree. In particular, I think the Superbia post where he lists his scumteam makes him town, and rayn seeing this when nobody else did makes him town too.

I don't like neither Palmar or iamp - Palmar's stuff on rayn is very weird. It's a weird mix of a joke and a serious read that I can only see coming from scum!Palmar - town!Palmar is blunt. I want to lynch him the most.

Koshi is weird. He was weird last game too though. But here he is saying I'm hiding behind my D1 activity when I'm super active as scum, and that's bad.


Rels makes this game impossible and it's bull shit. This post is very ridiculous with what happened with the nk and kita actually being mafia though.

Dnu what you are saying but if you are scumreading Rels for predicting the future I dont know what to tell you.


I am scum reading rels for saying Superbia was town when superbia did nothing and superbia died. I am also scum reading rels for saying throwing in team mate kita into an arbitrary list of two people he didn't agree with rayn about.

Mafia kills people that scumread them. Mafia don't kill people they pocket. This makes no sense. This makes as little sense as you scumreading rayn during D2 when rayn never kills Superiba N1.


Superbia was 100% either a rayn or a Mocsta kill. I also did not scum read rayn for that kill, I just simply said it was likely one of them that did it. With a preference for Mocsta because he did those weird kills as mafia a few games ago and even said he'd make a kill that wouldn't change the game state to further his agenda. He had the most to gain from it.

In hindsight, it made sense for kita to kill superbia because it didn't change the game state and he could keep scum reading rayn and hope that I push him with him + medic dodge.

Superbia only makes sense as a iamp kill.


if you say so

it's called an opinion, if it's wrong then it's a wrong opinion but it was my opinion that it was either rayn or mocsta

you're just arguing about an irrelevant point tbh

I'm arguing your argument for calling me scum is bad


it's my opinion and it's not a bad one

if you want the game thread to be stale then you have to kill the person that isn't making it stale but is a town read

you don't kill your fucking mafia reads do you?

no

now do some actual posts that don't involve me being mafia because your posts are bad

i agree it was a terrible night kill and mocsta does those
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:22 GMT
#880
On June 17 2018 06:21 Koshi wrote:
I also agree when I read superbia filter I thought of iamp doing it.


that's our fundamental difference

the only filters I've read this game have just been now
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:26 GMT
#885
On June 17 2018 06:24 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?

This was the only thing before that last quote. So he never really townread HF before making that statement to rayn.


he said "hf is town" in a list post but that question was really the only substantial thing towards me at any point in the game

feels like you're kind of biased though because he makes the assumption that my vote is just a town one that lynched mafia so rayn is tunelled
Holyflare
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June 16 2018 21:36 GMT
#891
lynching me is fucking dumb
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:37 GMT
#895
you've read up to page 24 and haven't even seen any part of the real game or after the actual lynch where mafia was lynched and you're basing your entire read on who I thought was most likely to make a mafia nk

that's not good rels
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:40 GMT
#897
On June 17 2018 05:49 Rels wrote:
from what I've read (up until p24) I don't see how you can consider a Mocsta / kita team. Dude was arguing hardcore against him and was the first to vote him immediately after EOD.


??????????????????????????????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 21:59 GMT
#908
I sat afk on iamp for 24 hours and none of you fuckers said a word about lynching him
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:13 GMT
#910
On June 17 2018 06:46 Koshi wrote:
HF can be mafia with both iamp and slender I think.
So life is still good.



5. fuba
7. Tubesock
8. Mocsta
9. Koshi
10. Rels
11. KelsierSC
12. iamperfection
13. Grackaroni
14. TheSlenderMan


Fuba - Claimed but done nothing with it, about it or even appeared in the game, total disconnect from fuba where he caught me and did good posts but also too ballsy for mafia fuba to claim when he was not in a position to be lynched. If he had not claimed I think I would have lynched him though. Towny by virtue of claim.

Tube - Liked a lot of his posts, very reasonable. Playing more like an observer though and no real presence. Could quite easily be mafia but gut says town. Gut is a bit diseased though so take this with a massive grain of salt. Nothing he says is too out there and it's fairly... tame.

Mocsta - Read my posts, read the game where he was mafia that I linked and compare it to this one. Identical. Without a doubt in my mind is mafia. Just look at his content post flip and try and work out how a single one of his reads has been formed.

Koshi - gut says town, done a lot of digging and talking to me today which I appreciate quite a lot because it let me actually be convinced on mocsta when he could have just sat afk while I got lynched

rels - scum read myself and iamp after 24 pages and somehow everything after that did not convince him to change a single read, his posts are bad, he's arguing about shitty nitpicking things like my opinion of who made a NK, likely mafia

kelsier - his filter is the epitome of crap, literally says nothing and it's impossible to guess his alignment, the fuba post is so dumb that maybe you could say he's town but that's such a stretch it would be dumb to assume it

iamp - would be voting him today if more people confirmation biased me by voting with me, his list post was bad but not awful, he defended me which basically made me auto switch my vote to someone else and he was the counter wagon to kita with nobody really pushing elsewhere other than kita, gut says town but I haven't played with him enough to make that decision. Last time he was mafia I think his activity was about the same and he made a list post that was similar in shitness so probably would check it if I could be bothered

grack - opportune as fuck but I feel like he's just lazy rather than mafia, can't really understand why he's voting me(?) other than to bandwagon

slender - Correctly town read me and defended etc, said some weird stuff in relation to rels and rayn said he didn't sound the same as usual. Could be mafia. If I didn't know about the rayn read or if I didn't read the posts koshi has been quoting my gut would have said town though. I don't hate about 60% of what koshi said about him though, could well be mafia.


list is something like (from town to mafia):

fuba
koshi
grack
tube
iamp
kelsier
rels
slender
mocsta


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:14 GMT
#911
if none of you twats will read my mocsta posts then just go to his filter post kita flip and please just outline how he makes a single fucking read or why

if you do that then I will bypass the voting restriction and vote myself and confirm that all of you can vote me too
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:17 GMT
#914
just read him post kita flip and it's really really obvious
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:17 GMT
#915
or don't just skim his posts just actually read the content and try and fathom how he reaches any of those conclusions on kita
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:18 GMT
#916
On June 17 2018 07:15 Koshi wrote:
If you are mafia I applaud you because you are clear town to me.
But you need the brigade to vote Slendy.


Holyflare [5]: Mocsta, Grackaroni, KelsierSC, Koshi, Rels
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:20 GMT
#918
then just vote slender who you think is very likely mafia over someone you think is very likely town???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:26 GMT
#921
and nothing actually makes any sense as to why he reads kita anything
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:28 GMT
#923
On June 17 2018 06:43 Rels wrote:
HF just feels scum. For so many reasons. So many bad conclusions. The debates with rayn since the early game. The mis-analysis of the Superbia's kill. Saying he scumread kita but always pushing someone else over him. Now trying to push Mocsta. Those gigantic posts against Mocsta, that almost noone will read and are full of storytelling. That makes no sense if he's town, he knows those never convince anyone. That shows effort if he's scum. Trying to find someone to lynch instead of him, anyone, instead of solving the game in that game whereI tunneled him hard and he flipped town.

Unflipped analysis now, but if he's scum with iamp, it makes even more sense. He never pushes him. Earlier today he said he was pushing him oor something like that, but since then he's trying to kill Mocsta KSC or me.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=77#1533

I just made a big post in that game you're talking about and did the same thing when I started to be up for lynch. How is that any different from now where iamp had 2 votes for 24 hours and then somehow I become a majority and then I try and pump out a case on why I think what I think and why?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:29 GMT
#924
If you do ONE thing this game read this filter:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Mocsta&page=4

from this page and post #548 onwards (post kita flip) and tell me how ANY of those reads are formed and why they change
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:35 GMT
#926
On June 14 2018 07:22 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:17 Koshi wrote:
Blah. If Kita is mafia I should apologize to Mocsta. I wont. But the idea will cross my mind. That's annoying.
Obviously you already know the answer to this, so I am expecting that apology.. br0

I also note that you are being aggressively rude this game.
something wrong in personal life? or that concerned about your teammate getting lynched?

thats a genuine question btw if it didnt come across that way.


Let's play a game. Pre or post kita flip?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:36 GMT
#928
Read the quote
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:50 GMT
#942
Mocsta is the lynch boys.

Dunno about rels being mafia. Maybe just shit.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:52 GMT
#946
Iamp lynch feels a bit shit but it's not me I guess
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:57 GMT
#951
What tube said is correct though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:58 GMT
#953
This deadline makes me feel better about rels/grack/koshi/tube tbh
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 22:59 GMT
#955
Think rels could just go back to afking in his hovel with a vote on me and get away with it.

Grack actually looked into mocsta.

Koshi been pleasant.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 23:03 GMT
#962
Sick plays guys
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 23:04 GMT
#965
Well if you read into it it could just mean changing the name Holyflare to iamperfection
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 23:05 GMT
#969
It's mocsta tit heas
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 23:05 GMT
#970
Head
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 23:26 GMT
#980
On June 14 2018 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now. Holyflare. You need to kill mafia on D3.
Otherwise you are mafia.


Rekt
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 23:31 GMT
#983
By being a good town citizen i did.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 23:47 GMT
#985
Ut might be slender
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 00:15 GMT
#988
He tracked iamp n1 and it's 1 shot
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 08:33 GMT
#994
It's mocsta or slender with a colossal preference that it's mocsta
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 09:44 GMT
#995
I eagerly await Mocsta's return.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 11:06 GMT
#999
Oh, the old I haven't read the game and expect to die play. Interesting direction.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 12:14 GMT
#1001
so you haven't read past page 40 but know iamp died and was mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 12:14 GMT
#1002
and you still think I'm mafia lolllll?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 12:17 GMT
#1003
let me get this really straight for the crowd

you "think" i'm the last mafia and killed both my partners and have you cased in a massive wall of text x 100 and you're going to get shot????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 12:19 GMT
#1004
hahahaahahahahahahahahaha

I thought you'd put up at least some semblance of a fight
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 12:54 GMT
#1008
On June 17 2018 21:28 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2018 21:14 Holyflare wrote:
so you haven't read past page 40 but know iamp died and was mafia?

Who is now guilty of reada not evolving

Its not hard to do a filter on calix br0ski

But yes still on p40


What has changed for my read to evolve exactly???????????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 12:54 GMT
#1009
so mocsta why exactly am I mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 13:15 GMT
#1011
why does night matter?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 13:15 GMT
#1012
I can just make you concede tonight so we don't have to wait 48 hours of you wasting our time
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 15:07 GMT
#1016
So I'm mafia before you've even read the rest of the game to see if that influences your reads but you're not gonna say why I'm mafia until day time where you say you'll be dead? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 15:36 GMT
#1017
fuck me mexico are destroying germany
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 16:33 GMT
#1019
why are you like this
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 19:58 GMT
#1023
why do we have to wait for night post for the concede? just post it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:15 GMT
#1026
what a waste of time zzz
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:21 GMT
#1027
are you really going to drag this out for another 48 hours just so we can vote you mocsta?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:28 GMT
#1029
I voted mafia 3 days in a row now lol, that's all that matters.

You have 0 reasons to vote me and you still haven't been able to explain why you did in the first place. Even if you were to miraculously die you've given everyone nothing to go by about why I am mafia. You're either just mafia wasting 7 other people's times because nobody will vote anyone other than you or slender or <insert no other reasonable alternative here>.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:35 GMT
#1030
Some tips for the next time you play mafia:

If you're going to bus you need to come up with reasons when it's naturally plausible for thread consensus to go onto your partner. Pushing kita so early wasn't good because your reasons for doing so are not something any reasonable town in the dark would think of (because they were wrong/misconstrued).

At least wait till a couple of people start mentioning him and then commandeer the wagon to be your own. You spent the whole game attempting to semi push him awkwardly and got pretty much no credit for it even though you wanted it.

Also when your other mafia partner is up for lynch (iamp) at least come up with a plausible alternative to scum read. I am probably not the best person to scum read because when it really matters I can write long walls of text and say really towny stuff. It's not the best to come up with a list and then completely falter and vote for me based on nothing you have previously mentioned when your partner is the leading wagon.

Which leads me to another point, your NKs. It's absolutely not worth trying to leave one of the people that talk a lot alive over keeping the thread in limbo by killing superbia. He was pretty much afk, off handedly mentioned iamp and you or whatever and would have had no clout to lynch either of you. Killing superbia was not only something not many towns would do in this game but it allowed rayn + me + other good talking people to pretty much lead the thread and talk about points ad nauseam.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:40 GMT
#1032
You're also very defensive as mafia which I find directly opposite to your town game. Don't think you've really worked with anyone on any kind of read evolution this entire game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:41 GMT
#1033
On June 18 2018 07:40 Mocsta wrote:
How about, less arrogance and talk about this at the end game.

You are stretching the friendship here a bit much.


but I'm mafia tho
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:43 GMT
#1034
Why would I stop talking about this anyway? I know you've submitted the night kill as me so you can act all shocked and say "why would I kill my scum read" and that eliminates the person that can argue the case against you.

That's why you're not making any rebuttals in the thread until "tomorrow".
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:48 GMT
#1036
I think the only time I've scum read you incorrectly was the first game you returned to after like a million year gap. Every other time since then I've been pretty damn on point.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:56 GMT
#1039
I almost guarantee it is me even though it shouldn't be.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:56 GMT
#1040
Either me or TL Mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:57 GMT
#1042
On June 18 2018 07:50 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2018 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
I think the only time I've scum read you incorrectly was the first game you returned to after like a million year gap. Every other time since then I've been pretty damn on point.
Dude, whilst true in isolation, its a poor argument in context of both alignments.

I think this is my 4th game this year?
So far, 1 mafia, 2 town.

I believe all 3 games you have scum read me.
You definitely tried to get me lynched when I was afk in the last game AS CONFIRMED TOWN.
P.S. you were town.

So no, comment above is poor.


forgot about that game

but this game I'm sure of it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 22:59 GMT
#1046
if this isn't end game and I die then lynch mocsta

if he's somehow town then tube/slender/(don't ignore rels even if he switched to iamp) should be looked into
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:00 GMT
#1047
hahahahaha
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:00 GMT
#1049
fuck me we have to keep playing this god awful game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:01 GMT
#1052
I still believe this is a troll flip.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:06 GMT
#1057
This is a kill specifically made to make me look bad and only one/two people are that cocky koshi.

That's you/tube.

I don't think slender ever makes that kill imo.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:06 GMT
#1058
not even look bad in a mafia way just in a "your reads are bad" way
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:07 GMT
#1059
hmmm maybe rels goes for bus on iamp for cred to save the game i dunno
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:09 GMT
#1061
the town friendship is broken

you're all back on the table
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:10 GMT
#1063
I dunno but that was a dumb as shit night kill if he was town because it was literally a free mislynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:11 GMT
#1065
So the only reason to do it is because someone feels super secure and they want to "humiliate" me. Shame I have a massive ego and don't care about being wrong when people play bad and don't retort.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:17 GMT
#1072
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:19 GMT
#1073
gg wp
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:31 GMT
#1080
Mocsta
06-10-2018
08:34 PM ET (US)
/m18
agreed you shoot.

I think superbia has a better chance of solving the game.
HF wont link for a long time that kita/mocsta are a team.
HF has clearly indicated he will push rayn.
he will also believe that superbia was shot as a medic dodge.

My preference is iamp to shoot superbia.


:D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 17 2018 23:58 GMT
#1085
On June 18 2018 08:48 Koshi wrote:
I am such a sucker when mafia townreads me when nobody else does.
I remember it happening before.


ditto

it's why I switched off iamp
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 18 2018 00:13 GMT
#1088
ya ty for hosting
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