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I will use this as an opportunity to trial a post-restriction strategy; whereby, my post count will be limited to the thread page count - Unless of course I am a lead wagon, where survival becomes utmost priority. GL HF. | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:00 Tictock wrote: Please insert Alignment Indicative opening here. Thanks. FILTER STARTS HERE +1 This made me laugh (almost out loud). Moosey annoying me already. 20 people is already a lot of filter to have to go through, let alone this spam. No further thoughts worth sharing. Post 1 / 7 | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:06 n00bKing wrote: I can see why this may be relevant to consider; as I too, prefer to focus on what I think others will do.Can't be me this time, because I don't know what it is either. I guess the most important question would be: How many mafia are there? The answer to this question will heavily influence all kinds of strategic decisions. However, we need to bear in mind that with the limited information at hand, we will always be on the backfoot. This can potentially create unnecessary filter length and theoretical divides between players for little resemblance of the truth. Instead, I would encourage to focus on lynching scum this cycle as opposed to potential setup talk. Post 2/8 | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote: What is your assessment when being unfair?Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly, but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store. But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players. Scum leaning on you for this reason. Is feigning setup knowledge the core reason for this "lean"? If so, why is this indicative of scum vs. any other possibility? For those commenting on capped post. Your position is truly short sighted. Early game is [b]always spammy, even more so with 20 players. There is no risk of blowing cap at this phase of the game. Post 3/8 | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:44 KelsierSC wrote: point 1. Your question of holyflares "read" on me is the best thing so far. point 2. mocsta is making bad "fucktard" posts. Point 1 is something anyone in that game was completely aware of. Highlighting this may be "the best thing so far" but is hardly meaningful of anything. Point 2 can be equally extended to yourself. Why so angry this game? What do you make of Exo, given : - Apologetic re: Exo read on Moosey - Concerned re: HF read on Kelsier Post 4 / 9 | ||
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Guess mindmeld only works for ppl you like right.. how about fuck you & have a good sleep   Post 5 / 10 | ||
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Indicates active lurking against #187. The speculation becomes why n00bking feels Ex0that is worth delurking for. DF, stay in character puh-lease. Im finding it amusing (and clear aside from the reference to the missing arms)  Post 6 / 11 | ||
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On March 20 2018 09:48 Alakaslam wrote: SSON POUR OVER SSON ESPRESSO SHIT WAS SO LAST GAME MAN[/QUOTE]Damn SSON You need more fibre in your diet! Did you prefer my delurk or n00bkings? Post 7 / 11 | ||
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On March 20 2018 10:26 Tictock wrote: Of those 3 names, I think KSC is the greenest.Ohhh, Free town read to Slam for posting some elctro-swing. One of my fav's too! Bah gotta post content, trying not to spam. So far I've only got a few weak town reads, and some sus on Exo, Conversion, and maybe KSC. Exo and Conv seem to be calling out scum reads just kus they feel like they need to. Either not explaining or posting bad reasons for their scum reads. KSC just jumping on anything he can, but at least he gave some indications why. - Post before sleep indicates proactive attitude to interactions - Abrasiveness does not come across as merely to disrupt the thread To borrow a phrase from last game, KSC alignment may be whether he is Pricky] or Prickly lolRegarding Ex0, I am confused by how he immediately changed tone relating to HF. Its almost a m00t point now that several have blatantly called out the post prior, leading to several outs and most likely a meaningless exchange regarding that item. Still a question mark area for me unfortunately, sigh. My current thought process or leap of faith is that Ex0 may not be scum; rather, (at least) one of the people going aggressively into him is. Will ruminate on this further. Post 8 / 11 | ||
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On March 20 2018 10:54 ykl wrote: PING.Eh, its fine. The filter just isolates posters right? pretty useful feature, the rest of the site could use it. I've never played forum-based before, just other versions of Mafia. Anyway, so that this isn't just a pointless spam post. I don't think I like the weird posting style darthfoley is using, seems like a deliberate attempt to muddy up waters for no good reason. I don't like the early call out from Conversion or ExO-, both are very weak reads based off almost no data. I don't think either are scum but I think you'd be chasing down the wrong path. What gives this impression other than TMI. Post 9 / 12 | ||
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On March 20 2018 11:32 ykl wrote: Hi ykl,Also, the whole reason Mocsta even called me out to begin with was that I thought Conversion's early call on n00bking was misguided. Above is a gross simplification. Refering to #232 TMI related to you expressing that: Ex0, Conversion, Moosey & n00bking are all "chasing down the wrong path". This does not only infer they are all not scum. But that they are also all town - enough that further info is not needed. Your explanation since does not address the Moosey/n00bking element either. Post 10 / 14 | ||
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I have observed many are hung up that others arent playing the game, they believe it should be played. Have we forgotten that mafia dont want early spotlight.. that most of us do the stupid shit not when we are mafia, but instead, when we are town? I think an environment is being created where yes, plenty of stones are being lifted: Ex0, Conversion, Disinfo, ykl to name a few. However, are these really the best stones we could lift? I have decided to look elsewhere, and found a stone worth sharing with all. Now if you want to be smart and say: "Oi m8, if this stone has blended in; how did you find it", my response simply is "You suck, thats how" Now for the big reveal: This stone has a filter that rhymes with COCK BLOCK.. yes, it can only be: ##Vote: Tictock Post 11 / 15 | ||
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Work with me on ykl please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=ykl On one hand, I find ykl to be calm, open and displaying a bona fide motivation to contribute. On the other hand, I find the content to be very reactive, and in some ways, forced. I can see this coming from town or scum - what are you current thoughts? + Show Spoiler [ykl thoughts] + #232 still feels to me like TMI - DF may be annoying a few people, but ykl is the only that states he is muddying up waters. - The Convo/Ex0 read I still find an odd position to hold; as forum/IRL games both have players capable of "getting the ball rolling" as scum. My only pause is that many players do treat this as a heuristic - So it is not necessarily a false claim to state. #260 alludes to the heuristic being based on experience. So I could drop that convo/Ex0 read as a scum tell in isolation. #269 is an odd interpretation of events and the addition of "misguided" requires ykl to assume I think n00bking is scum. This is against what ykl has communicated as a read, which I believe, should trigger a query to me. #279 can be interpreted as mimicking thread sentiment at worst, or a change of opinion with new knowledge at best. Suddenly, moosy/NK are considered scummy. Interestingly enough, should this not also result in an adjustment to Ex0 and Conversion who have now called out scummy people? #286 now inserts OMGUS as a reason to consider NK. Perhaps was already tending towards this outcome in #269. post 12 / 15 | ||
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On March 20 2018 15:56 rsoultin wrote: Hi Tina,Feeling good about Rayn (means seems town so far for people who need reads laid out super obvious like) Some of what mocsta is pinging on reminds me of his town game, so maybe his entrance was just bad. Worth still monitoring given I townread him throughout his last scum game. Don't like the ykl scumread. I'm not really reading him anything but I think giving a newbie space to get his bearings rather than jumping down his throat is worthwhile. Also it's just a shit read. There's nothing tmi-like about saying you don't think ppl are scum but they're probably on the wrong track imo. Slam is not giving me the adorable aimless vibes. I usually love reading his posts and keeping him around. Might be scum. I've read everyhing else but these are the only things that stuck in my head lol >< will comment further later in the day when I have more free time. Im near my post cap, but felt compelled to burn one. I dont like this post at all from you, and it has nothing to do with OMGUS. - The free Rayn read is pointless as town. He has not come under any scrutiny, and this seems opportune given he is online. - The read on me is very wishy-washy. I will let this slide in isolation; however, at some point you cannot keep defaulting to "he was in my trust-circle one game - never trust again" - The ykl read is interesting and primarily why you have got me burning a post. For all this effort to defend ykl.. I really should be a stronger read than "wishy-washy". After all, you painted the picture prior that I could be scum. Seems that you are just struggling to lie about it now. - Lastly, between page 7 - 15, its peculiar that the only things of merit worth discussing are Rayn/Kelsier and Mocsta/ykl. If ykl is such a poor read from me; why not comment on ykl read on n00bking. What about Koshi read on disinfo which has also had some airtime. What about Vivax push on Ex0_. Yes, I might have to consider getting slam drafted in to lay some of that "espresso shit" lol P.S. Take a position on me, bbygur1 Post 13 / 15 | ||
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On March 20 2018 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up.Gonna look into it in 15mins when i am home, igot into middle of something rn. In the meantime any thoughts on my post 291? In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread. Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match. Another point. about rsoultin prior post I wanted to throw out as an FYI. ykl isn't a newb. Whilst new to this forum, ykl has expressed experience with the game in other formats. Not really sure why rsoultin was trying to push this out. scum is scum whether newbie or not. Post 14 / 15 | ||
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OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Basically, Player A votes Player B. Player B goes.. ohh my god.. Player A is totally scum because how could anyone think I am scum. Player B then votes Player A - hence OMGUS. perhaps rsoultin was right and you are a newbie. Or you two successfully gamed me in the scumQT. btw, QT = quicktopic LOLLOLOLOLOL | ||
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On March 20 2018 17:04 ykl wrote: timings of posts initially pinged me hrnce the vote.Sorry to burn your post quota like that but that actually did fly over my head. Now to actually add to the conversation, I'm slightly more interested in the post where you scumread Ticktock, I'm not really seeing where you're drawing the conclusion that he is one from, care to help elaborate? I know you unvoted but it would still help if you can provide the reasoning behind what prompted you to do so in the first place. Thrn i went through the database for tictock and thought the play lined up with town albeit 2yr old references. Unvoted as did not think it was worth consuming further filter on. | ||
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I agree its weird but thjs doesnt default to mafia? A proficient blue hunter will not scum slip or freduian slip like this; thus not exo I read it as hf is lazy for his auto read so cant be blue as theg should be more invested. Why is exo likely scum? I read a couple old town games and in one he was similar to slam and posting videos constantly. My baseline isnt that high to start with...??? | ||
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On March 20 2018 17:07 Holyflare wrote: good scum read should be sarcasm given this post which followsScummy because he is doing the same thing he did last game of defending logic rather than elaborating on mafia reads and being fluid. | ||
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Again. Why is he scummy outside this kelsier dialogue? | ||
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Multiple parties including you and hf have independently said exo is scummy Im following up that not hf/nk On that note and outside the hf/nk clarifications, I agree with others that nk is vibing same as last game. Arguing lots of semantics etc. | ||
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Look in general i find him to be a heavy introverted intuition user like rsoultin and myself and equally verbose as town or scum. The main thing for me this game is the prodding that goes no where. I would have ezpected him to truly dig beyond the surface into something by now Too hard to post on phone eith crying baby in othet hand. Speak tomorrow | ||
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~17pages with 20 people and enough content to gwnuinely scum hunt. Over the next 24hours we need to focus on resolutions to these topics. With 20 players and ?5? Scum there is a 1/4 chance scum is in every convo. Consolidation will be key as last minute vote swaps is both scum favoured and will make future vote count analysis almost useless. Off the top of my head big topics are: Exo/kelsier Noobking/HF Probably moosey and the self vote Df and the roleplay Slam vibe change I cant tell if koshi is in the mix or mentiined as collateral I think only non posters are sicklucker and rels Thoughts before bed and wjthout properly reading page 21 onwards. Moose is town I have no issue with df. Not sure why others are annoyed. Exo kelsier is tvt Hf uncertain Nk scum Slam need to read medic to confirm vibe change Dark horse read is one of palmar and hf is scum Not sure which Something tickled me weird with palmar. Will see if it still triggers me when i wake. Hf here cos i found him to be a bit more flacid than i am used to in palmar presence. Could be a respect thing. Meh. Nite | ||
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On March 20 2018 22:21 Vivax wrote: the irony here is that i was tjinking the same thing exo was... oribably a personality tell va. Alignment thenSome thoughts I feel like sharing in inconclusive post manner. - Almost purely tonally TT and NK look town to me. - rsoultin hasn't been pestering anyone and might be mafia for it. - Did anyone hijack Kelsiers account? Don't even want to decide what he is as long as he keeps posting. - Koshi probably town for not giving a shit so far, will have confirmation when the town Koshi trademark posts start to pour in. - ykl very diplomatic, could come from mafia, currently stuck deciding whether he's just catering to the people he answers to. However his filter leads me to Mocstas for this reason: + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote: Ah, that's pretty weird. Intention was only to say ExO- and Conversion are chasing down the wrong path, bad wording from my part. I wouldn't say that no further info is needed and they are all confirmed town, just that I don't read either of them as "scum" at the moment and that when I made the post, neither case was particularly well thought out? I really don't have much to say about Moosy or n00bking. Moosy has been trying to off himself, which screams someone that really doesn't want to play the game or is frustrated about something, could swing either way to be honest? I don't think what he's doing is helpful at the moment but its ignorable. n00bking, I really got more interested in the last post he made. Completely ignored the scumread from Conversion and does not seem to want to interact with him at all, instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. I think it's odd here that Mocsta pays attention to the TMI element in the #232 post he links in the nested quote and emphasizes it when ykl said he doesn't think either are scum already which implies that there is at least a null read, I also didn't like Mocstas post on TT. It was cute style-wise but also read like plain rhetoric without much substance cause the entire point was to ping TT for the sole reason that he hadn't been pinged yet. I'd have found the part more interesting where he says: Bolded is pretty much an example of a"let me go and look for something to write about on the go" mindset, but in a natural way. I think this particular case comes from town cause he's so brazen about it. Scum does it more accidentally. To have the post actually end conclusively though, I need to point out something else and why I still think we should lynch ExO: I believe it's a very mafia thing to do to point at what the guy pressuring you isn't doing while he is busy with you, cause it's a way of getting rid of pressure by trying to play it back to him based on the posting quantity of said person. Tixtock was a mistake by me. I got lost in the style and later retracted. Treat it how yoy will | ||
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On March 21 2018 06:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: Can you please confirm if this is real content or trolling?Mafia is in: ykl, ExO_, Tictock, Mocsta ykl + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote: Ah, that's pretty weird. Intention was only to say ExO- and Conversion are chasing down the wrong path, bad wording from my part. I wouldn't say that no further info is needed and they are all confirmed town, just that I don't read either of them as "scum" at the moment and that when I made the post, neither case was particularly well thought out? I really don't have much to say about Moosy or n00bking. Moosy has been trying to off himself, which screams someone that really doesn't want to play the game or is frustrated about something, could swing either way to be honest? I don't think what he's doing is helpful at the moment but its ignorable. n00bking, I really got more interested in the last post he made. Completely ignored the scumread from Conversion and does not seem to want to interact with him at all, instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. ExO_ + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote: Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly, but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store. But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players. Scum leaning on you for this reason. On March 20 2018 10:40 ExO_ wrote: My theory is if he’s /outing because of number of players he’s probably read the setup. And on a personal note it annoys me how moosy can take the time to post a bunch of filler candy crap, but not read the setup Tictock + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 11:32 Tictock wrote: Stop doing this moosy. You've done it as town and as scum last game, also it is against the rules of the game. It literally means nothing and is a waste of space. Mocsta + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 08:05 Mocsta wrote: FILTER STARTS HERE +1 This made me laugh (almost out loud). Moosey annoying me already. 20 people is already a lot of filter to have to go through, let alone this spam. No further thoughts worth sharing. Post 1 / 7 I would also sheep alakaslam, noobking. Like dude... I thought you said you were a reformed person. I don't know you, haven't played with you; however, everything this game is indicating otherwise. If its real content, fine. Im happy to talk about it - e.g. why is there a focus on the initial content of players? How does this meld with the later stages of content... How does me + ykl work as a team? How does ExO + tictock work as a team? If trolling as town, all you are doing with this is creating more attention to you; and distracting others from lynch scum. Which is it? | ||
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On March 21 2018 07:12 rsoultin wrote: Is it really? Seems half-arsed to me now that I have seen the HF addition.-flicks- I want to give you a D1 pass for reaction fishing, since I know that you do that as town. But that can't be all that you've noticed or thought about the entire game. So why sheep slam or noob? I didnt realise prior that all scum read quotes have moosy being annoying or scummy in common. With that deduction, moosy has dropped town points for me.. just like DF went serious for a couple posts to convey something. I really think moosy should have stopped trolling for at least a handful of posts as well. | ||
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So when I spoke to Moosy about trolling etc that was without knowledge of you on p28. Now that I have caught up: I like the mindmeld. Not specifically the action, but rather, the tone. Welcome to my hard town circle. Palmar, im the vig btw. Dont care to say it because mafia dont have a RB. | ||
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(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything (2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought. I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics: Slam Moosy Ex0/KSC, Koshi/Disfo/n00bking, DF Rest is probably side distractions. My current (albeit loose) thoughts are: Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy) Below null pile (n00bking) Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only. Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said. Slam I would still need to meta-dive. DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on. tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything. moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team. Apologies to leave it like this. | ||
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On March 21 2018 07:39 Conversion wrote: nope they did not.did rels or sicklurker even post? must have been a quick filter dive yeah it was. basically dived rels, sicklucker, Darthfoley, rayn and moosy. Only content in darthfoley and moosy  | ||
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On March 21 2018 07:54 n00bKing wrote: This monologue is pointless - as both of you are debating YOUR values on how to play the game. Not what Darthfoley is actually doing with the roleplay.Don't really agree, personally. How does the persona help him hide, if how annoying it is becomes a topic of conversation? I also haven't known scum players to normally be bored enough that they have to do anything like inventing a persona, in order to keep themselves entertained. Drawing a scum role should never be boring, it's pulling a town role that's boring. (I believe someone already said early in this thread that they pulled a town role and it's boring.) I haven't seen many people invent a role like this for themselves, but when they have, they've been town (and then they've been asked to cut it out, much like what's been happening to darthfoley here.) So while we mostly agree that it doesn't point too strongly in either direction, if *I* had to pick I would say it is more of a town indicator. I would rather see that either of you furnish quotes that express town or scum motivation, then additional comments on the above. | ||
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indulge with that Ni insight. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=n00bKing What is your position on top 2 or 3 scum candidates. + Show Spoiler [NK] + #144 - Setup speculation #159 - Setup speculation #188 - Vivax -> Moosy clarification: Read unknown #276 - tictock -> ExO_ clarification: Read unknown #278 - Interesting Slam comment (indicative of NK/Slam team). DF comment. Vote Disfo. ykl suggestive pressure. No true position taken (as liking Koshi vote can be similar to liking ykl pressure) #280 - Critiquing grammer #337 - Confirms that conversion is being ignored. Intentionally dodging ykl (of relevance, as later NK states ykl is good target for pressure. This should then present a fantastic opportunity to counter-pressure) #339 - Does not take position on mcosta or tictock. Just states that mocsta logic is poor. #340 - curious about slam. Odd phrasing. Trying to draw out information (one of the first posts from NK trying to do this) - the question is for what purpose. #341 - Indicates agreement abotu Ex0 not reading the thread (or likely to be town) #343 - Arguing actions in theory, with no comment on players at hand. Trys to sway HF into a disagreement with tictock #344 - Comprehension question #361 - Is arguing logic, without indicating a lean towards any player in question #591 - Takes position that DF is leaning town #592 - Filler #595 - Debate logic. States Exo actions are indicative of town play; but at no points declare Ex0 town #603 - Requests conversion to build a case against him #604 - Wants to target lurkers and inexpereinced players to divulge motive. LOL. now that I have filter dived scrap that request ##Vote: n00bking
NK is playing filler this cycle, while chastising other players for being illogical. Classic scum maintaining activity by shitting on others to avoid posting real content. P.S.NK known for wordplay.. pay attention to end of day posts with moosy/prplhz last game. If NK flips scum, slam is almost certainly scum | ||
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On March 21 2018 08:34 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps its the ply of your toilet paper, but you havent tickled me yet in the way a town HF normally tickles me.As if I'm null while you simultaneously scum read noobking. I realise I don't know how a scum!HF tickles, but I have certainly seen the town tickle across the games this year. Until I see a bit more of that magic around the game, you are still in my null pile. | ||
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On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote: Know this. Im vig, and if you arent lynched Day1.Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1. You still wont be around Day2. | ||
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On March 21 2018 09:00 Holyflare wrote: LOL. someone is using sandpaper near me. dunno why since Im in an office.Funny you mention it now. I'm using it and am thoroughly disappointed. but... it made me think of you LOL. | ||
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On March 21 2018 09:34 n00bKing wrote: Indeed, as we are all aware they have a very special vigilante.lol, right, right. You're the Vigilante, and the scum do not have a roleblocker. Since you've already informed us that the scum don't have a roleblocker, could you please go ahead and tell us which roles they DO have? Would it be safe to assume they have...a Vigilante? But how about instead of inferring; you put the cock on the block and state my alignment. FYI in general: On March 15 2018 21:25 Calix wrote: Game Mechanics - Order of Operations: Mafia roleblocks -> town roleblocks -> heals -> mafia/ vigilante kills -> investigations -> other On March 15 2018 21:25 Calix wrote: Mafia-exclusive Role PMs Backup [role]: When a specific PR of any alignment dies, you take on their role. This ability is passive and cannot be roleblocked. If that role had limited abilities that were spent, you are not refunded these abilities. If you are role-copped after you have taken on a role, you will appear as that role. Strongman: If you target a player for the night kill, your shot pierces through all protection. This includes roleblocks, jails, and heals. | ||
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On March 21 2018 09:47 n00bKing wrote: Why aren't you assuming im mafia.I'm the last person who needs the rules and roles quoted to me. As shown in the order of operations, the mafia roleblock would be enforced before a vigilante shot. And there is exactly no reason for you to assume they do not have a roleblocker. Or a jailkeeper. So let's all just hope you're not a town vigilante. Because if you are, you've done a very stupid thing. You dont like my tictock posts. I am calling you mafia. You have caught me with TMI. Vote me . | ||
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I preferred you in character. Responding to that chatter is only satisfying NK agenda to avoid having to scum-hunt. NK says "disfo/ykl are good targets to pressure" but at no points applies, said pressure. My question for you is why arent you voting NK. | ||
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DF. you didnt answer the q. | ||
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Even if KSC is scum. Who has a more likely filter to be scum? NK or KSC? what is actually pinging you about KSC vs. him being abrasive? | ||
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I have no desire to argue with a scum read. Its pointless for the spectators. The only comment I will make is that #652 reads like a classic scum "what have i done wrong" post. The short of it is this: You are intelligent enough to have awareness of how you play the game as town. This is very clear from filter diving prior town/scum games. There is good consistency, so kudos to you. However, following a checklist of town tells; doesn't account for the dynamic nature of each game as an individual sum of parts. You are playing like old-school rubber-band AI; when you need to implement machine learning to truly be considered elite. You are scum. Nothing further to say. | ||
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On March 21 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: Educate me. cos Wikipedia classifies moose/elk are the largest species in the deer family.. bruhActually scrap that. Tictock's post is complete garbage like Mocsta's earlier post on me. Both have no idea what the point of my activity at the start of the game was and why my list is the way it is. | ||
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On March 21 2018 10:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: Au contraire. I was referring to the biological family vs the species Just because moose are in the deer family doesn't mean they're deer.... So with that misunderstanding out of the way. Please educate me on what you were seeking to achieve with the start of game; and scum list. Im all ears. | ||
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On March 21 2018 10:47 Tictock wrote: I cant speak for others, but my opinion is 2-fold.? I don't give a shit you temp scum read me (for pretty meh reasons), and I'm leaning town on you atm. Got bigger fish bro. I am surprised you agree with the notion of leaving Moosy off the lynch block today though. Not that he is my top scum read or dying to lynch him myself, but I do think he has a pretty good chance of being mafia at this point. Idk, just weird to see multiple people take this "ignore Moosy" stance. (1) Most trolling mafia dont have the balls to keep it up for an entire cycle. At some point there is a need to survive. I dont know Moosy well enough to understand if this tell applies, but, i can give benefit of the doubt for 1 cycle. (2) I am expecting between 4 and 5 mafia. Even if Moosy was mafia, i think there is enough content this Day1 to have a successful lynch outside moosy. (1) + (2) leads to dont vote moosy this cycle - but still try to grab info. | ||
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Hi Moosy I like that post, and while plan is "different". Its certainly not what I would consider scummy. I think you can refine the concept better by applying a stricter filter when determining "mafia trying to get you." Of the 6 in your pool; the only TWO who said you were scummy is ExO_ and HF. Annoying or frustrated does not equate to scum. As townies, we only have our vote, so I will respect this plans of yours. However, I would appreciate if you could respect me back and share your (updated) opinion of n00bking. | ||
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its not really something important. No one accused me of not being town. moose #673 im confused (in a pleasant way i suppose). I thought you were saying prior that slam/n00b are town (or you will at least mirror their vote). what you wrote indicates suspicion against both players (in particular compared to last game). So is it fair to comment that you lynch pool is {ykl, mocsta, exo, disfo, HF, tictock} and now {slam, n00b}?? | ||
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On March 21 2018 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote: FTFYwhy is mocsta saying mafia can't have roleblocker? it says roleblocker in my role pm | ||
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brilliant - please join the crusade against antler collectors. I heard n00bking on the CB whisper he was ready for deer season! Vote n00bking for justice! | ||
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On March 21 2018 11:23 Tictock wrote: dumb-tell townie at your service!This game I kinda want you vigged. as per #655 have you caught up yet? if so, are you swapping to NK? | ||
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#688 please illuminate for me what pressure ykl and disfo received that was prompted by you spectators dont need to see you extend filter length arguing wtih me. They want to see you produce an actual scum read based on your own observations. i havent seen this to date, ps. 5 players of europe is going to wake up soon, so expect that # to increase. | ||
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From 6 weeks ago. On February 02 2018 01:40 Skynx wrote: Vendée Globe 16' Mafia [Flips] Day1: mderg, as Mafia Framer Night1: Trfel, as VT Day2: rsoultin, as Mafia Goon Night2: Mocsta, as VT Day3: Damdred, as Mafia Roleblocker On February 14 2018 09:49 darthfoley wrote: Nominating our town in Vendée Globe 16' as "best town performance" we lynched mafia d1, d2, and d3 to win the game in three days. With epic shennanies onto scum D3! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia | ||
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Your ykl assessment is misconstrued; however, you did prompt me to consider that I have been lying to myself. I have been accessing the comfort of the now, instead of doing the big boy work towards the resolution of the big topics being floated around. Help me out of that comfort zone by working together! Pick your poison please: On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote: I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics: Slam Moosy Ex0/KSC, Koshi/Disfo/n00bking, DF | ||
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I get the yawn comment, but I think its being looked at in isolation to the 3rd paragraph which discusses NK first post. Like, I feel that read is somewhat an association read with NK flipping scum (i.e. rsoultin hesistant to throw shade on NK because hes scum-buddy... cos i cant see why a scum!rsoultin would hesitate to do it to a town!NK) | ||
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Its awesome you approached all topics; however, I find this to be a superficial summary. Maybe thats poor interpretation by me, but i started reading with excitement, and ended reading with disappointment. Anyways, after lunch, im going to read the exo/kelsier stuff in detail and hopefully produce something less superficial. | ||
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On March 21 2018 13:10 darthfoley wrote: i had a different impression when i first that to be honest, but i dont want to give rsoultin a free out.It's like if I said "I don't eat bananas because they're healthy, I eat them because they are yellow!" Followed by an explanation of "Indeed, bananas are yellow because they have lots of vitamins and minerals that will help you live a long and happy life. That's why I eat bananas. " The explanation doesn't fit with why I stated that I eat bananas. Expecting a town read from koshi and rayn for making a banana analogy. carry on you 2! | ||
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Who are you planning to slam with a vote? | ||
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Lol Did you copy and paste NK from the QT? Like. I was expecting at least a utube clip at the end bruh. | ||
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you & Exo_ & probably palmar or rsoultin are next on my list after this meeting So far, Koshi: I would like to see contribute more, but I have found the trolling to be quite funny, Especially that humanity palmar one lol. Not a priority for me this cycle. DISFO Not sure why anyone would think he is scum (ignoring that ExO early post) Open tone, involved, contributing to more topic than just OMGUS. Heavily reminds me of when he replaced into a recent game. Kelsier Again, not seeing how anyone could think is scum. #184 is such a townie-type regurgitation of active thought. I think has been quite transparent Aggression has been consistent, which is certainly more townie given the contextual frustration of ExO comprehension. #395 I think is already super townie-type regurgitation of active thought. Instead of just bitching about darthfoley roleplay; he actually highlights a content problem (also tied in with ExO which totally makes sense as an active connection). | ||
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On March 21 2018 15:01 Alakaslam wrote: for n00bking benefitMocsta tho why on earth did you claim he looked bored and I know possibilities excite him. pretty much truth or dare. | ||
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but like.. i dont understand why this Kelsier/Rayn thing was even blown up so badly. in the sense that.. if kelsier misrepresented Rayn about me.. so what?? like, it should only be this relevant if its scummy to have misrepresented a read on me as the "fucktard" in question its also striking me how concerned ExO gets when people vote without substantiation (happened twice i believe). I still dont like the apologetic scum lean on moosy as first post. hmmmm, worlds are starting to shift. i also just realised that the joke kelsier made about koshi being vt or scum; is a shit-stir on ExO post about HF being vt or scum quite funny from kelsier lol | ||
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exo explains the relevance a bit later on "The point I was making was that Keisler looked like he was trying to claim you made a read on mocsta and was agreeing with it, rather than making a read on mocsta on his own." carry on. | ||
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i have just finished reading Exo, and was leaning 60/40 him being town. so some thoughts I would appreciate a second opinion on are: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=ExO_&view=all (1) #399 reads TvT to me because both are so self-centered and the intensity is so focused. (read: true tunnel) (2) #436 I dont know why.. but ExO reaction to the VT/scum comment is way too serious that I think its town-tell (3) left-field rsoultin read is good. Shows willingness to move beyond the whole Kelsier/NK discussion. however; I dont like (1) the apologetic moose entrance with no follow up (2) the continual (for lack of a better phrase) dumb-tell / poor reading comprehension. Reminds me of how I played dumb with finding a reason to vote prplhz in a recent scum game. The *KEY* difference why this may be more a town tell is that I was playing dumb to thread influencers as an excuse to wagon a townie. ExO_ is doing this to his scum read, which is probably more indicative of a general tiredness/comprehension given how invested he seems in the game thoughts? | ||
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in some regards, rsoultin does read distant at times, but that could be for a variety of factors. I have no interest to defend her, but i can't see something that is striking me as shady. like... I truly dont think a scum!rsoultin would hedge day1 on lynching slam. in particular as a "whisperer" | ||
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i had enough for today, and already 10 pages of filter for ppl to wake up to & i dont want to add anymore. my vote is sticking with n00bking and i hope yours it too! big split shenanies should be prevented in unknown setup game. we need to be able to hold people accountable for voting actions once more informatino is known. | ||
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weird question but how did you start reading the game yesterday? start to finish? Also what vibed this response? On March 20 2018 18:53 Palmar wrote: noobking is a potential townread as well This position is corroborated when you downgrade him to null later. | ||
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On March 21 2018 16:08 Vivax wrote: i think we clearly agree that ExO_ opener was truly bad.399 reads to me like he's hedging period. It doesn't help me as I don't see if he's lying or telling the truth. 436 doesn't read like it's a post that really wants to kill Kelsier with it, so I wouldn't call it serious. It's more like he's reprimanding him but I don't see him getting a scumread from it. Or rather, it doesn't look like ExO displays much of a feeling of having caught Kelsier red handed for something, reinforced by that concluding question. Reading that gives me the feeling that they are two scum arguing with each other actually. But I'm not going to push that feeling for now when I just have to push for exo. note to self, I probably should take a look at Kelsier. And Mocsta I think the reasons for me scumreading ExO should be sufficient to have him recognized as mafia. It pretty much comes down to three of his initial posts iirc. After a weak start that got him attention he's going to be focused on having an active followup and some distancing if he's mafia here. I would be absolutely shocked with kelsier and Exo is S v S, given how organic the shitfest evolved. The good thing is that I think you are town and have no reason to doubt your intentions. I do feel you are choosing the worst possible explanations to justify ExO_ behaviour. Either that, or we focus on different tells to scum hunt - which is also equally possible. Look, im not hard town!ExO_ by anymeans. But i am not seeing a reason to lynch him over n00bking. | ||
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On March 21 2018 16:18 Vivax wrote: Lol.. I just realized that the bolded is TMI as shit. He literally spews me town here. Would lynch Kelsier as well today. ohh my my. we operate in such different spectrums lol On March 21 2018 14:57 Mocsta wrote: ... Kelsier Again, not seeing how anyone could think is scum. #184 is such a townie-type regurgitation of active thought. I think has been quite transparent Aggression has been consistent, which is certainly more townie given the contextual frustration of ExO comprehension. ..... I think we need a third opinion ! | ||
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Its more a comment on vivax logic in my opiniin Meh | ||
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Wtf... its a paraphrase of what i wrote... | ||
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N00b reads better past hour. Aside from awkward exchnage with ykl I am fearful of lynch shenannies as i cant see any inkling of consensus and no default leadership. Lots of independents. How about tjis new stone Lwts talk palmar Useful filter so far?? | ||
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Now that is a mindmeld On that note Bye | ||
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and .. i think the tell is SUPER unlikely to be applicable to mafia So i thought it applied to FF, but i just double checked and I hate to say this. ffs... it was a post by slam. i dunno what to say, i cant consider a vote on him whatsoever this cycle and i dont want to go through the tell. sorry | ||
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Like his first post about koshi struck me Felt like he already read the game before doing stream by consciousness | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not sure if you are familiar with later years' Palmar but that isn't alignment indicative at all for him. He just OMGUSed Koshi because Koshi voted for him (aka "kill the player who is trying to kill me" -type of post). Not familiar but i mean You think he opened by filtering koshi and then reading game Im not saying its scummy per say But fucking strange?? | ||
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He reminded me of replacing into vendee but i didnt meta it either I suppose i coild consolidate there | ||
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He commented on koshi which was like page 10 or whatever Then went back to page 7 day strat and called me and someone else out in a stream of consciousness Really odd post progression Im more surprised right now rsoultin mentions palmar as a last resort option but isnt any reasoning or critiquing yours Im ordering a cab Phone will be strictly off in a couple | ||
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On March 21 2018 22:10 disformation wrote: bad post@rels: when you are back can you explain the nk town read you apparently have? cause i still am not a fan, but fair chance i am biased there. I could lynxh fir this regardless of whether i think nk is tiwn ir scum | ||
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7 wines tonight Really feeling it. Great for unbiased pattern assessment Go Ni for the win So... im disapoointed no one but rayn gave feedback on palmat but hey watevz I am going to go out ona limb here. Im the #1 town read this game. Of xourse this doesnt mean i am right. But at least means tou can trust me and my intent. A few things in my hazy mind 1. I dont like hf but am not sure if its for scummy eeasons 2. Disinfo with really bad posta. Can completely lynx 4. Im certain rsoultin is town 5. Rels notes is cute but i think is scum. Could lynch over disfo. Too tryhard when under no pressure. Also nkt really canvassing for raoultin lhnch. Reads as fake content. 6. Vivax 16/4 makes some sense. 7. I like rayn this game as a person... this makes me somewhat uneasy lol. I wilk stixk with town. Im just tok uaed to him pissing me off. 8. I syill think n00bking is probable scum. Am goinf to keep vite here. As long as top 2 wagons ate disfo and n00b i dont care whom is lynch Good nifht | ||
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Wht is ff voting nk Yikes | ||
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Im voting rels ##vofe: rels | ||
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Tickle me br0 Or fuxk 0ff | ||
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Position on rels, hf? | ||
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Heck shared a thread summary How can ya 4ply ass be stuck on a pointy post in the middle? | ||
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So nice supsrficial read How about this Do you agree wuth his content? Why am i pulling teeth with yoy. Ffs | ||
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And still flacid This is a waste of time Really disappointing will If anyone in this game was capable of formulating a robust countdr point. I would have bet money on you. Now im broke..... | ||
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On March 22 2018 01:14 Fecalfeast wrote: im vigging you bbygurlWell then i scumread mocsta and am pocketed by hf. Why is disfo more scum than nk, sheepdog hf? | ||
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Day1 scum jsut want an easy lycnh. Doesnt really matter who as long as town. I give benefit of doubt to all that are active across multiple big topics. Not just relying on OMGUS for filter Ppl focusing on trivial thing is ideal lynch. Namez that coms to mind Disfo, palmar, rels, n00b Dint care whom is lynched id in thiz pool Night | ||
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Slightly dry-mouth, slight headache which creates perfect conditions for catching up on the thread just before lynch ;P OK.. i left last night on p53 Going to dive: Sicklucker, Rels, Disfo, Palmar & n00bking Final vote will go into there. | ||
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On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote: I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote: Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care. On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote: Good post.*thumbs up* I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore. | ||
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i dont have time to read 15 pages. Point me to posts NOW. | ||
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i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith. wtf is going on. | ||
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I am not a lawyer, so hopefully context is good On March 22 2018 07:02 Holyflare wrote: Conjecture or falsification, your honourHasn't really pushed anything that I can actually remember. Says he followed the noobking scum read because he looked the same as last game. Objection: Leading the WitnessWhen noobking stopped displaying the same things as last game Mocsta decided to go anti that read and say noobking was just the same still. Despite Mocsta's original read on noobking being a sheep from ME and also his scum read on someone else being a sheep from ME he keeps referencing how he minorly nothing reads me or some useless crap. And? Can I not be wary of you. P.S. you still haven't leaped into the mode where I consider you town.Not once does he attribute anything I've said to lynching his biggest scum read as me being any alignment. Objection. This is applicable to almost every individual in the game. Strawman...He made a really shit fake claim like he did in the last mafia game. And no, it wasn't the one that Rels posted it was some role that wouldn't exist in the game that people STILL believed and was ludicrous. LOL thats true. but why does it make me mafia this game.That's just the tip of the iceberg. Noted. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:37 rsoultin wrote: anyway, rels anyone? other posts go boom fast no one lynches rels with me -waves savory rels meat in front of people's noses- I will lynch Rels for sure. | ||
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##Vote: Rels | ||
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may as well vote RNG er.. scrap that.. i just rolled a 6 LOl (soz Tina) | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:41 KelsierSC wrote: not a bad avenue actually.off the top of my head stupid entry self voting 300 times acting like he is baiting people voting conversion here for being a meany switches off mocsta to vote with mocsta like wtf so no particular reason if we are in a position where we cant consolidate. may as well eliminate toxic players. I can swing this way too if Rels doesnt get support. | ||
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sorry to distract, but. . why did you stop doing chester? like I know why i stopped doing a post restriction. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:44 Holyflare wrote: Mocsta wagon still available for free town reads. Hop on at your leisure. #1373 | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Im not hunting the deer family!fecalfeast is my god sheeping is my religion ##Unvote ##Vote: Mocsta Now GTFO and chase those antler black market operators *whisper.. its Rels* | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:46 Holyflare wrote: The problem with your read is that its not different to early n00bking.Saw it, said nothing. You were definitely channeling noobking in that post. Your noobking re-entry was terrible. I do not for one second believe you see noobking's posting as better JUST NOW when everyone is off him as opposed to just before you left when everyone was beginning to un-scum read him. You are arguing semantics; and at no point are expressing motivation that aligns with mafia play. This routine is coming across as a charade. Like.. the way you are going about campaigning is what I expect from HF; but the context is a lot more fluffy than I expect from HF. Overall br0: you're still null to me. | ||
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umm, dunno what to say. i should have stuck to my post restriction, too much information put into thread, its hard to see what my final position is. OK, so for clarity. Im really concerned this game that a bunch of non-contributors could lead a wagon. Town really need to stop being selfish and work together around someone. I think a good core is rsoultin / Rayn / Kelsier. At least those are 3 of my most trusted reads that are capable of good logic. If I flip, please trust me that Slam is very unlikely to be scum. It should be sorta simple to filter-dive. I will leave it as that. I have no reason to doubt Disfo vet claim. I would have preferred he just said blue. but yet, i dont expect him to be a "best play" king either. OK thats it. Good luck. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:52 Mocsta wrote: Wow.. i cant believe I might be mislynched here. umm, dunno what to say. i should have stuck to my post restriction, too much information put into thread, its hard to see what my final position is. OK, so for clarity. Im really concerned this game that a bunch of non-contributors could lead a wagon. Town really need to stop being selfish and work together around someone. I think a good core is rsoultin / Rayn / Kelsier. At least those are 3 of my most trusted reads that are capable of good logic. If I flip, please trust me that Slam is very unlikely to be scum. It should be sorta simple to filter-dive. I will leave it as that. I have no reason to doubt Disfo vet claim. I would have preferred he just said blue. but yet, i dont expect him to be a "best play" king either. OK thats it. Good luck. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:57 Holyflare wrote: And that makes me scummy because?It's not fucking propaganda, you literally just gave 0 scum reads as a "farewell" post. ZERO. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:57 KelsierSC wrote: Good post. This should be looked into next cycle!you are here so change your vote to something relevant. | ||
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On March 22 2018 08:00 Holyflare wrote: I am this way because I missed 15 pages of filter and had to focus on survival.It makes you scummy because the 2 things you chose to talk about in your last dying moments don't help drive the game forward. It's scummy because the last 2 things you chose to talk about show that you have no real thought or will to lynch ANYBODY in a time that we need to lynch SOMEBODY. It shows you are mafia because when your ONE scum read falls out of flavour from the thread while you sleep you have NOBODY to back up onto because you haven't sewn any seeds or looked at anything else. It shows you're mafia because you haven't even looked elsewhere to even leave a last will when one mafia read falls away. It shows you're mafia because you chose to comment on Alakaslam the most incoherent person in this game that has no relevance to anything. That makes me town or scum. You are like vivax at the moment HF. And thats not an insult, its a fact. | ||
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Quite a few ghost or throw away votes as well. ykl, Ex0_, palmar, Koshi HF I still dont understand why you believe I am mafia. What you point out to me seems to revolve around you being read independently? I dont get it. Mafia can throw out good reads on town or scum. And town can throw out good reads on town or scum. If I happen to agree with something you said; why should that automatically you town? I really dont see any other argumentation being purported. | ||
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This is something I can work with. On March 22 2018 08:21 Holyflare wrote: I understand why you have this opinion - Its very consistent with holyflare logic, regardless of alignment. However, not everyone plays or interprets content the way that you do. It's absolutely unthinkable to me for your biggest scum read to be noobking based on a case I made and points you AGREED WITH ME on and points you continued to repeat yet I was just a "I don't like hf this game, dunno if scummy or not" read. That's bull shit. In this case, I stand by what was written above, in that: I can and will acknowledge points I do or don't agree with, independent of my read on the originator. I actually cannot comprehend how someone would veto an entire persons filter, because they lean scum. Perhaps a subtle point of differentiation I apply with you, is that I expect sound logic from holyflare, irrespective of alignment. Thus, that I agree with you on an item, does not in any way, shape or form trigger a lean town (or scum for that matter). What I look for with Holyflare is motivation to post that sound logic. Sometimes I need to see people lynched to get a better understanding of that outcome. This is why I would not declare you a lean either side. To be honest, I thought you treated me the same - so I suppose voicing this out makes me lean scummy on you somewhat. Regardless, I believe my filter is both transparent and consistent surrounding this; I have just applied verbosity to this reply. If someone makes a case that you are inevitably following and agree with then that person is always going to be bigger than a nothing/null read, always. Just by virtue of you seeing the same things. You do it multiple times to rsoultin where you say "Oh, look, mindmeld, we must be town!" but not once do you attribute the same thing to your read on me despite the noobking thing. Fair item to raise; however, I believe the similarities are superficial at best.n00bking: Your comments prompted me to investigate for myself. I reached my own conclusion, that yes, was similar to your read; but also what I would consider independent of your read. Mindmeld: Related to posts released by two people at the same time, with content completely unrelated to any active happenings, with the same intent. rsoultin and I have done this a couple times; as well as Kelsier. The key difference to the n00bking scenario, is that neither party prompted the other party. This is true thinking along the same lines; and I think is a super town tell (mainly cos scum find it really taxing to "solve" the game). Then there's the fact that you FORGOT your own points on noobking and said he looked better just to re-point out he was your biggest scum read. When the thread started unvoting him you felt the need to reiterate the fact that his posting was better despite ALREADY saying it. fair points to raise, but I also think scum are less likely to polarise a position like this. My position is that I am still wary of n00bking; not enough to be my primary lynch focus, but a finger of suspicion may be the best old-school word. This is actually a similar situation to Kelsier with ExO_. Tell me Will, why are you applying this tell as scum to me, and ignoring it with others?Then there's that whole about to die stuff which I don't think is towny in the slightest. I dont care. it might not be towny to you, but you have not communicated why its scummy. | ||
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On March 22 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote: Are you slipping I wont be shot 2nite?Thing is Mocsta, I don't need you to retort my case against you. I just need you to do other stuff if you're town. I want to see who you scum read next and why. Want you to pick out info from this lynch on Rels where you base it from your perspective. I'll be waiting. | ||
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What do you make of Disfo blue claim? I would have expected you to have queried this given your clear scum lean on Disfo. Even moreso when Palmar began to question the validity. At minimum, I expected you to consider/espouse that the scum QT told Disfo to claim vet. Instead, you tell me that Disfo is blue & and state I am fake claiming because I claimed vet as mafia in the past.... On March 21 2018 20:00 Holyflare wrote: Disfo is in my scum pile I think. Not because I've read his posts - in fact I think he's said some things that align with what I've said - but because he hasn't waffled or said anything cool to me yet. On March 21 2018 22:32 Holyflare wrote: I find it hard to believe you would drop a hard read in disfo and ignore the claim because you are that focused on me. In fact, i think this is the type of juicy play you cant resist to comment on.... Also I'm now scum reading disformation quite a bit. Went filter diving and the following issues arose: Awkward entry into the game. No real reads till people started making them. All the reads he makes aren't waffles they are hedges. Not the good kind of hedges either. They are hedges that lean in one direction where he 50/50s a person IN ALMOST EVERY POST but then gives really off brand meta reasons to say they're town or whatever to complete the hedge because it looks like he can't think of in game reasons to be wrong. It's peculiar and scummy. | ||
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My tell on slam is not valid. /sorry | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=Tictock&view=all its actually a pretty shite filter. lots of fence-sitting, lots of apologies sorta like the guy wearing the hand-glove below. not just shouting from the sidelines, but shouting @ the people shouting from the sidelines... | ||
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On March 22 2018 11:05 Vivax wrote: the vig claim? dude, did i claim vig to stop my lynch? like.. blues would be reading the OP more carefully lol. There should be much better reasons to call me town.And fyi the only reason I stopped looking at you is your vig claim. Cause so far to me you look like you just pick things to argue about and spice up with antics or images but I don't get the feeling that you have a particular volition going for yourself. Yes, I am all over the place this game. Yes, I should have stuck to my post restriction. Yes, I should be less focused on the now. What do you actually want from me? Because, theres a difference between not having a particular volition due to uncertainty vs. lack of interest. We scum-hunt differently. You like laser-focus. I like patterns of behaviour. At no point have I tried to block you from pursuing your reads. Yes, I have had different opinions, but I have not tried to block. Again, not sure what you are seeking; but to claim the sum of my filter is scum bar a shitty claim is not good enough. | ||
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I dont have anything concrete to discuss, just some musings from EoD. - I think conversion is pretty towny for not OMGUS me. Really easy position to take as scum. - This post from + Show Spoiler [Kelsier] + On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote: voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote. Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster. - Of the non-trollers (e.g. FF/Moose etc) the person who seems to be the most forced / unnatural poster is Palmar. Also doesnt seem to really be invested in the lynch. This doesnt come across that great in filter, need to read in context of the thread happenings. Square peg in a round hole thing. Starts from p59 DarthFoley gets points for noticing this as well + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2018 07:25 darthfoley wrote: I'd also like to mention that I can definitely see Palmar being mafia here - DISFO: I havent filter-dived, but my gut feel says his tone has been consistent from start of day to the claim. i.e. i believe the claim - HF: Leaning town surprisingly. I think his progression onto me was quite organic. Im genuinely surprised im at this point now. - Rayn: im good with. I think hes really trying to be more receptive of others etc. I dont think he could maintain it for this long as scum. Having said that, I dont understand the DF issue. Read it a few times but keeps going over my head. - ExO_: my memory is fading, but like palmar, i dont think was invested in the lynch outcome - even as a candidate. Will double check this one if im alive tomorrow. Like its annoying when Rayn/Vivax/HF say i dont have strong (scum) reads. I have read into a lot of people this game, and keep coming up with town. Even with the above.. town, town, town. for heaps. like, I think a lot, if not all the actives this game are town, and 70 pages has been TvT. the good news is that after the culling this night, the lurkers (i.e. where scum must be) will have to start playing. TL;DR Palmar is at no point invested in solving the game; heavily apologetic, and I want to lynch. | ||
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Could kelsier and exo be scum v scum? Sigh | ||
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On March 22 2018 16:44 Vivax wrote: We've touched upon that already so not really a random thought. Touche Well just registered for me | ||
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Move on. This is boring. Im finding this game quite hard. Frankly, if i was scum i would never be in a position where people think i dont have a read Like... why are you ok with ff and moosy voting me? | ||
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On March 22 2018 21:39 Palmar wrote: Why him over moosy, Ex0_, FF, Coagulation, tictock?my bad. I actually think we should kill noobking. | ||
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Good post As an aside. I slowed down on n00b after filter diving. N00b is verbose as both alignments and i just felt it was too painful to decipher Thrn second half of day1 n00b was slightly less focused on theorycrafting so have left alone to see what pans out I think i still prefer an exo lynch Cant get over that first post | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:33 Conversion wrote: yes I am mafia and I am going to shoot you tomorrow anyways, I thought he jumped more than just on Rels. let me actually take a look Wtf... this is bizairre You said at the timr you wouldnt vote me back as you thought i was town Like... very strong feeling during stressful moment. I dont know how you are now at this point?? | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:28 Conversion wrote: Relax, buddy. I won't vote you to save myself. I believe you are town and this wagon picking up steam is definitely not pure, so I think town will be able to get mafia out of it. This one | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:38 Palmar wrote: weak fake scumclaim with no humorous effect noted. Lol according to ya vig priority lynch he doesnt qualify lol Not confirmed and not lying and not lurker ;p | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:18 Conversion wrote: @HF the only thing that doesn’t make sense from scum!Mocsta os why he would look to change wagons so much when he had a real threat of being lynched. like tbh if he just went for easy wagons I would have gone on him This is so weird... technically you were an easy wagon?? Why are yoy doing this? | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:41 Conversion wrote: I wouldn’t vote you to save myself, but I’d vote you (in hindsight) if you stuck onto me like opportunistic scum. I didn’t see you that in that light now and I am trying to see other possibilities with Rels flipping town. I also am not really typing well on my phone. Going to get on a laptop Ahh makes sense Carry on You not countervoting was a town tell to me. Phew What do you think about rels and rsoultin? | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:44 Conversion wrote: indeed.matter of minutes is an exaggeration, but it happened fast I remeber it like it was this morning. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:27 darthfoley wrote: ykl's vote is still weird as hell. idk man. Nah.. i was surprised yesterday too. but when i dived the filter at the time, i realised ykl caleld you out in the post i said was TMI. thats the difference with me n rsoultin. my thought was to check that.. hers was to wait for a post int het hread, and then comment about a 4minute delay. duno what it means, but worth nothing i believe. | ||
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Vivax / tictock are the only 2 HARD town reads this game. the worse thing, koshi does a summary post but its so fuckn accurate I cant help but adore him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?page=91#1815 | ||
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On March 23 2018 07:16 Holyflare wrote: are you responding to tictock or me with ykl?That's not what happened at all? cos it absolutely is with ykl, and why rels called rsoultin out about picking on newbies. | ||
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On March 23 2018 07:40 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, I still don't think I was being particularly mean. He responds in thread after I called out his ninja vote with a nothing sentence -shrugs- No, I didn't look at his filter beyond when he'd last posted. I was focused on other things. I don't see why pointing out it took him that long to write a nothing sentence i.e. it was more likely a response to being called out for a ninja vote, is mean. Clearly Rels thought so. Being new doesn't preclude someone from being mafia. err no. its about default mind-set. mine was investigative. I search ykl filter for consistency to see if it was a scummy vote. Found consistency dropped it. You decided to sit there and then take a dump. Considering you thought ykl prior was town.. this dumping mindset does not compute. | ||
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On March 23 2018 07:42 rsoultin wrote: lol.. nothing should have been noting - i surmise you contextually read that anyhow.Also, it seems like you're building toward a scumread on me, but for some reason have not bothered to come out and say it. Am I wrong? And if not, out with it. While you're at it, explain how Palmar was in your above null list, and why you reacted so strongly to FF being on the NK lynch. If there's anything in your filter clarifying that, I missed it. as far as Im concerned, theres only 2 strong town reads in this game. You are not one of them. treat it as you will. Right, and what exactly are those 2 questions going to divine about my alignment? I filter is pretty consistent about the tier of people forming bandwagons. If you are critically reading my filter, instead of glancing; the rationale for FF will be clear. as for palmar, again, what is this driving. I explained the small issue i had with his early play. decided it wasnt indicative. | ||
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On March 23 2018 07:46 Fecalfeast wrote: i liedImho the people who claimed vig (moose and mocsta) should call their shots in 5 mins too late for moose to shoot me muahahahahah | ||
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On March 23 2018 07:49 Tictock wrote: i thought it was organic because I was an associative "blue" link after the disfo vet collapse.From the little I read HF started pushing for Mocsta and Palmar seemed pretty uninvolved. I’m gunna feel great if NK does turn out to be scum this game. Actually while I’m thinking about it this is part of what has me sus about HF atm. There was quite a few good reaosons to lynch NK and plenty of people in favor, but he decided to all in on this weak Mocsta read instead. End result was more choas in an already bad EoD. on a re-read, i believe thats how i got momentum (and yes, HF was calling for me prior.. but it didnt snowball till that point). | ||
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On March 23 2018 07:52 Holyflare wrote: There weren't plenty of people in favour either. I didn't think his later posting resembled his last mafia game so I backed off it. So did the majority of other people. Lol.. will even though this is for n00bking.. it really should be applied to me considering you even quoted my mafia game... hmmm, so stubborn even when I worked with your issues. this mule syndrome is not what I thought your town game represented to be fair. | ||
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its getting to the point i question for myself if TvT. | ||
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I only read OP pre-game, so when I received my 1-shot VIG post, I really did think mafia could only be strongman/backup. OUCH. ANYWAYS, i expect to be shot & RB tonight, so backup scores a free KP. this is my bad, and I cant take the actions back. I tried my best to make it look fake since, hence, no claiming EoD1. My reference to slam was because, he had this post where he claimed hmmm, 1-shot vig. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?page=37#736 I thought this meant he had a 1-shot role (thus would be town).. reading the OP later, scum can also be 1-shot. Unfortunately, this doesnt help then. Its very odd that rsoultin doesnt follow this up with me and demand I say the tell. If I wasnt going to vig by the rules, I would prob shoot rsoultin this cycle as a dark horse with low risk for demoralising town. Who are my trusted town reads:
My guess for scum combination is that the 95% of actives are town and this is all in-fighting for OMGUS and EGO. Something like ExO_ / FF and one of the actives (perhaps one of rsoultin or HF) makes some sense to me. Like, I dont have a problem rsoultin is lost. I am lost.. however, the way she is manouvering to call me scum is interesting. I find it overly cautious - e.g. claiming pocketing etc. I find this an evolved version of being apologetic - hence scummy. Anyways, if my vig shot does go through, I have decided to shoot ExO_. This is because I want to clear some thoughts up for Vivax, and I also think ExO is over apologetically scummy & in the trash tier. WIN-WIN for vig shot (if it goes through.. otherwise, sorry. hard game this one) | ||
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jail keeper / medic in play? vivax is bizairre HF gg | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:02 rsoultin wrote: ...you really see all of D1 as town wagons? i didnt put any consideration into the wagons. thats just my gut-feel when i go to page1 player list. i was hoping to sheep this cycle, being so lost. Not certain now with my top town read dead. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: His reads were ExO and Kelsier & ?palmar?So if nobody claims vivax as a vig shot I'm going to assume he was correct about a player most everyone else is townreading I highly doubt Kelsier would find vivax intimidating enough to warrant a shot. This is why i shot ExO. I really never thought Exo v kelsier was Scum vs Town. So implication is that Kelsier is town (at least for me). The palmar one is interesting, but he never tried to push it. Probably shot because an active has infiltrated the town circle, so had to shoot a unanamious town read. At least thats what I do when i infiltrate as mafia. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ayo fecal who do we sheep now that holyflare is dead me: confirmed town. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: If mafia are super confident. one play isI can see Mocsta being strongarm or someth and mafia killing ExO_ and claiming Mocsta as vig they RB me; with intent to lynch me. It doesnt matter how I die, the backup gets my shot. However, this is too far fetched as mafia had no incentive to shoot both vivax & ExO_ im confirmed town, vote with me. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: yeah, im really not liking rsoultin following the NKs.Either Mocsta is vig and he gave a bad shot and rsoultin/darthfoley are mafia or Mocsta is mafia and rsoultin/darthfoley are town taking really extreme positions while only ctrl+f'n my filter. ##Vote: rsoultin the wagon of justice. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:02 rsoultin wrote: actually,...you really see all of D1 as town wagons? why cant this be the case? further, its completely congruent with my theory for how the game has unfolded. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:21 rsoultin wrote: why are you so prickly rn, and misrepresenting my content?i'm not scum. get good. use that lovely intuition of yours that you tout so much. or i'll probably just tunnel you and if you're town that's not good for anyone that much activity at EoD doesn't feel like none of the wagons are scum to me, and I don't know why you make the assumption that they're all town Firstly, I wrote I only have 2 town reads: Vivax and Disfo.
Secondly, even if all the wagons are townLEANS, why can't that be the case.
Further, at least 4-5 people had yet to vote; which leads to chaos. Chaos leads to any combination of town/scum wagons being possible. You know this... and are being intentionally obtuse, and its scummy. Thirdly, the wagons were what; Disfo, me, conversion, rels; and n00b had already dismantled when it mattered I am town I believe disfo claim, as his tone has been consistent throughout the game rels was town conversion I believe could easily have OMGUS retaliated on me without question or reprimand. Enough to make a town lean. So.. whats the problem again? | ||
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Vivax being on hidden mafia would imply you. rsoultin and me having common ground seems challenging at this point. I do think tictock looks bad with HF dead; and I liked the HF mindmeld on that read. I would consolidate onto tictock. going to go away and do some work. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: its in my claim post.@Mocsta, why ExO and not darthfoley or Conversion or someone else? in actuality, i swapped my shot about 4 times. I think I went tictock -> palmar -> moosy -> ExO_ ExO was in the same trash tier as a few others; therefore, I settled on ExO because vivax was my strongest town read, and I thought he was tunneled and needed to give him closure. I thought Kelsier was the townier between the two. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:37 Fecalfeast wrote: No no, its not that I scumread you per say.. And scumread me enought to vote away from me And you agree with koshis scumlisy its more, you were a complete unknown and that makes me uncomfortable. Because I play by gut-feel, what it means is that for someone like Vivax. If he does somethign I dont like. he might lose say 1 point. With an unknown like you, if you do something i dont like its more volatile, so you would lose say 15 points. Hopefully thats a clear explanation of why i was twitchy. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:43 Koshi wrote: This is very true.You realize you are suggesting 2 names I also want to kill right. From before eon. Dont focus on the flashy players and go for people who are hiding. Dont paranoia yourself thinking some master mind mafia is being super active. kk. walking away, will trigger a neutral mindset ##Unvote | ||
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vivax had a reason for it, so didnt bother me. - with you, it is starting to. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote: The convo rise and fall is a vaild comment, but that is after the fact of chaos breaking out. If a volcano explodes, you cant hold it against people for stampeding over others. To me, the volcano erupting was disformation claim as follows.Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk. I just can't get over how quickly Conversion's wagon fell off. And n00bking was stuck at 4(?) votes forever in a pretty volatile EoD where votes were going all over the place When I went to bed (6-8hrs before lynch) n00bking was already off the noose. disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare This is relatively stable as represents 50% of the player count in 2 horses.n00bking [5]: Conversion, However, by the time I woke up (~1hr before lynch), it was the tightness of votes that made things unpredictable. n00bking [3]: Conversion, This is why it felt intense. Not because a wagon fell off, but because 5 horses were in the race separated by 1 vote. Coin flipping and hence the volcano erupted. KelsierSC [3]: ExO_, darthfoley, Vivax Rels [2]: Mocsta, rsoultin darthfoley [2]: KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet Mocsta [2]: disformation [1]: The conversion wagon accelerates from 0 to 6. Conversion [6]: Koshi, darthfoley, disformation, rsoultin, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy Im looking at this differently to DF. Even though conversion had a peak of 6, the end voters are all twitchy and in panic/paranoia. the count of 6 is misleading and this is still a 4-5horse race.darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Conversion Mocsta [2]: KelsierSC [2]: ExO_, with HF still campaigning for my lynch the state changes to this. Mocsta [4]: darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, Rels [3]: Conversion [2]: Koshi, darthfoley, KelsierSC [2]: ExO_, and then we know the final outcome Rels [7]: Mocsta [4]: darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, Conversion [1]: Koshi, KelsierSC [1]: n00bking [1]: disformation [1]: This all makes me feel better about rsoultin actually. Im back to common ground. Both of us were caught in the panic and stress of where to place vote when preferred lynch pool is not in the equation. As scum, i would only be panicked here if a buddy was in the top 3 wagons; otherwise there is absolute freedom to park a vote and sideline comment. Regardless of votes and horses, the people being actively campaigned when it mattered the most was: Conversion + me + Rels. I dont know how to explain it, because too much is still being digested above; however, I cant shake this feeling of n00bking, darthfoley and tictock | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:23 Tictock wrote: Standard shit sandwhich deliveryI wonder if a scum!Mocsta would so blatantly waste his first couple of posts saying basically nothing. Kinda doubt it and he also appreciated my joke so he can get a weak town lean. Also for anyone who doesn't recall (probably everyone but me) Mocsta's "post limit" is equal to the # of pages in the thread. So particularly for D1 in a 20 person game he probably wont be hitting that limit. Humm, that may weaken my above point. Dont like this post. | ||
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On March 20 2018 09:08 Mocsta wrote: still relevantThe #188 timestamp pinged me. Indicates active lurking against #187. The speculation becomes why n00bking feels Ex0that is worth delurking for. On March 20 2018 08:58 n00bKing wrote: Mmhmm. "/out because too many players" and "can't be bothered to read the setup" is no kind of inconsistency. | ||
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On March 20 2018 11:55 n00bKing wrote: 2nd delurk to defend ExO_This is a super-terrible reason to vote against someone. It is only in Mafia's interest for a TOWN player to point it out. It's not really in Mafia's interest at all for Mafia to point it out. What is the Mafia motivation supposed to be, for making such an observation? | ||
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On March 23 2018 13:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: townHey Mocsta what's your read on me right now? like you pissed me off EoD1 by voting me but i like the way you have dropped the trolling this cycle. | ||
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On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote: Note that slam was using my call out on ykl to apply pressure.I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem. I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing. I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort. ##Vote: disformation More votes on ykl would also be a good thing. The real question is, why is n00bking treating slam an unproductive, in particular given both parties had an interest in ykl. TMI? | ||
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On March 20 2018 13:11 Tictock wrote: This is a good post from tictock in context of what happened circa page 15.I'm about to head to bed. Pretty happy with my vote on Exo, and am now thinking Noob has a good shot at being mafia as well. Like I said before I don't get where Exo's head is at at all if he is town, and he looks to me like mafia trying to put out reads but is only able to come up with half assed stuff that makes little sense. Noob prob mafia for calling my vote bad, then sheeping koshi... I think I have one other scum read atm as well, but I feel like there might be something throwing that read off so I want to hold off and see if anything changes. It's kinda half based off feels and tone atm anyways. I would lynch n00bking over tictock based on this. | ||
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On March 20 2018 16:21 disformation wrote: i give disfo a townlean here yeah, that is kinda my problem here as well. totally misread and ml him in hosts revenge and the liquidmania qualifier I played in. re: Exo. - filter beforehand already indicated he agreed with vivax reasoning. This feels like a genuine "yeah that was a good point and i agree moment" then "i say this as a free back-door to unvote" | ||
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On March 20 2018 20:50 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps not semantics.. rather, TMITicktock says makes exo mafia for irrelevant post. I agreed with ticktock. Noobking says it doesn't make him mafia, in fact it makes him more likely TOWN because "it doesn't help mafia to post like that". I disagree with his premise that it makes exo town. I still agree with ticktock that it makes exo more likely mafia. It's an irrelevant post that has no real reason to post it for. It looks like he's scum hunting by posting a read but it's not actually a read. [red]Then noobking argues with me that it doesn't try and look like scum hunting instead of anything to do with exo's motivation for posting in the first place. Drawn down to semantics. | ||
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On March 21 2018 05:43 KelsierSC wrote: @darth second question, regarding the point I made earlier on that ticktock just reposted. Why did you leave exo off town list ? On March 21 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote: This marks one of the first times DF breaks from roleplay and its important.I left ExO the town list because my opinion of him decreased Like, what DF writes is technically consistent with the below: however, in context of Kelsier point, its total bullshit. + Show Spoiler [Kelsier good point] + On March 20 2018 19:51 KelsierSC wrote: yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided. In terms of actual bad stuff. He liked a post that exo had made which wasn't that good. I can understand exo's defence of this post but I don't like the post in general. he also leaves exo off his list of town afterwards gives the impression that he doesn't really care who his town circle is and just wants to throw some names out. I'd lynch him and not just to stop the terrible RP. On March 21 2018 03:26 darthfoley wrote: I think HF and Vivax are probably town. ExO is perfect lynch bait as always. I've yet to decide what I think of him, but I like that he isn't a fan of Kelscier, so on the townier side of null ATM. I'm voting Kelscier partially because he's been the least enjoyable player so far, and partially because I think ExO made a fairly decent point that I agree with about Kelscier's vote on disformation. .... | ||
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On March 23 2018 16:55 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I don't disagree on nk, mocsta. I expected some night action analysis given his perception of how the game should be played and there wasn't any that i noticed? As for conversion...he feels different than the game I was scum in. Like wasn't he trying to be a new and better conversion? Don't see that here at all. I thought conv got all emo that game and almost rage quit? I must say hes a complete minf blank to me when i think of him in this game. Thats not a good thinf | ||
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Perhaps that is a deal scum indicator I jumped onto him cos i had no idea. This is in my filter a few timea as well. He couldnt jump onto me cos im town, but no reference posts... so tmi in the moment I am contemplatinf replacing cos this game is taking ocer my life in a bad way. If i stay i will read conv pronto | ||
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Anyways. Pointless item. Thats df in general. What about df with what i wrote preivous page. The exo exclusion is not good... | ||
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On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote: Ok yeah, I'm finally back. Kinda got stuck with some RL stuff last 2 days. Just kinda quickly read up the last few pages. Quick reply to n00bking firstly: I was kind of hesitating on the first day vote, that was quite terrible and came about since I woke up at 6am trying to do a last minute decision before the deadline at 7am my time. Probably not the best of ideas. I made a snap judgement between the front runners and it was pretty much that. I'm also not too sure where you're reading fear from tbh, I've been nothing but very open and the fear/dodging that you want to attribute to me was more lack of time just having to keep up with the thread. And also: "instead" of putting your vote on me. So general game stuff: Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track, there's probably a pool of KelsierSC, Koshi, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, ticktock, fecalfeast there? I'd try and filter them out one by one later to take a look. Can anyone point out which page was the start of the rels push, I want reread what the heck happened there since I was slightly sleep dazed and reading off a tablet. Rels was around the p70 zone. | ||
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because i was comfortable and undetected, so wanted to disrupt circle and leave big players on wrong path. in vivax case he was a hard town read for many, so it helps with PoE. the thing is, it points to a strategic thinker to do a kill like that.. i.e. n00bking. | ||
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guess thats the same intent in 2 words lol but implies comfort and forward thinking. | ||
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you are scum because, for all your proclamations of being world-class, you are merely existing; content to reply to others and one-post pressure lurkers. you stand for game theory; over the actual game at hand. you are mafia and i have no interest in i or others trying to force a confession. if you had a chance to be town; the next 30hrs will prove it in your filter as the onus is on you to pressure your reads; not the other way around. good luck | ||
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But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake Much more intense in ?vendee? | ||
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The only person who said same allignment between kelsier and exo is me Literally one or two others said tvt | ||
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On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote: More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion? More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion? Who cares Mafia might quit irl to team mates But i cant see mafia ever rage quitting Instead its a concede or stop posting Conversion is town Slam and ryan arent lynch candidates today Top scum hunting n00b | ||
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Thinking a player under scrutiny is town of course is not tmi But you at no point assist or persuade others to your conclusion. Nor do you evaluate if their dispositiin is intentiinally false. Instead you are content to nitpick their logic. Logic you inherently know is false. That is the tmi part of being mafia. | ||
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Doing house chores Im happy where my vote is N00b is still more content to keep poking and throwing wifom bombs then produce content even though its day2 which was meant to open the flood gates N00b reminds me a lot of my scum mentality Happy to lynch | ||
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On March 24 2018 09:44 Tictock wrote: Yay a non WoT to quote. Similar question to you as I posed to Moosy. You guys were scum together last game, what is your read of him this game. And if you try to give me some shit kus I didn’t repaond to something you asked me you will have to ask it again. I only skim some of your posts. Ezcwllent question. I think moosy already said some words on this as well??? | ||
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Like both trying so hard Real emotion And using it to outwit each other Good shit | ||
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On March 24 2018 11:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: I can sheep a vote on noobking. But I'd prefer to carry out HF's last will and kill Tictock. Fair call But i think killing n00b will help the game more than tictock Like n00b is actually making me skim pages out of boredom | ||
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On March 24 2018 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either: 1) noobking is mafia with lurkers 2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all. Whats so bad about option 1 Totally lines up with my reads this game Pretty much everyone is town | ||
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On March 24 2018 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also noobking wants to lynch lurkers so THAT ACTUALLY looks a bit better to him, except for the Palmar "case". Lol Seems happy with the lurkers voting his scum read... Like i get it. Itchy feet. Always happens with an early bandwagon Stay the course. N00b is lynch today. | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:03 rsoultin wrote: yesLol, if this game has proven anything, it's that I'm at least a bit narcissistic; oooh he looked at something the way I would have! -snorts- Between that and Rels and pouting over HF and ExO (and conv though I think it's okay if I say that I want to still believe there's a chance he's scum so that I didn't fuck that up too bad), my ego is getting entirely too much in my way this game. FF/ykl/ksc I guess is where your head's out regarding afkers? Need to reread ksc. Ykl I think...god in a vacuum his behavior since D1 looks scummy. Factoring in that he's a newbie and this is a 20-player game I think reduces that to a coin flip. And I have no clue how to read FF. Damdred's the one who seems to have that nailed and I was content to let him do that, since I usually have no trouble with Damdred's alignment. I want to avoid the same trap of 'no way am I the one person you want to lynch' trap that I fell into with Rels. But I still do find it strange that he's like 'rsoul scum' then 'but i could sheep onto the wagon that my one scumread is on'. Should do a proper filter dive for KSC, though. More diving. Less pontificating about people not even in this game. Like im too lazy to play this cycle so trying not to add waste to my filter Yoy should try it | ||
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Hes consistently delurking only to respond about himself I associate his town play as very independent thinking but also resolute in campaigning. Which is a bit unusual. I raise this because i find him too passive this game; yet is more than happy to add post count duking it with rayn. Saying this outloud. Df is my alternate lynch choice to n00bking thid game. | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:19 rsoultin wrote: sorry. Came out meaner than i had intended.Why so mean? It's not like that was the only thing that post was about? Still valid though | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't tell anything about ykl's filter. Ykl content might be minimal But tone is very consistent even following longer post intervals. Like if you arent super invested as a new player.. a 120p game is not going to entice more activity. I would never lynch ykl or kelsier over a ff | ||
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I know about it and rven 5 years ago it was before my time. Palmar has record here for playing at least one game a year since tl mafai inceptiin Nice attempt n00b. I give credit there but ultimately it was a n00b effort. | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:49 darthfoley wrote: I'm at a teacher training shit all day today and I won't have time until maybe maybe deadline on mobile. I can understand why people are scumreading me. I've been underwhelming and passive, but that frankly because I'm busy as hell and I've played a lot of consecutive mafia games. Im burned out and Im definitely going to obs next game. @rayn I couldn't find a post but I think it may have been Mocsta who made that read on us. Idk cba to read 20 filters If you feel the need to lynch me, oh well I guess. I won't be able to give you much until night. Im certain it was me too I havent read any of ya arguments in detail cos skims as petty. Thats already an alarm bell. Exo / kelsier felt emotional hence tvt Btw. Nice delurk on queue as well. Im very impressed. Do you use an alert app? | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:51 darthfoley wrote: But if you're going to call me scummy, you need to believe that this is my scum meta. It isn't. It's just my 20 player, burned out and not having much fun meta. And I happen to be town But itz been like this from day1 When i reread first 30pages You were much more underwhelminf than i had remembered This is nothinf to do with roleplay | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:54 disformation wrote: i'm going to be a lazy cunt and call rs town for keeping to post after saying shell take a nap and has a headache. might be biased, as I am getting tested for migraine stuff. Not lazy at all Keep making dem good reads You will probably be at lylo so good to know you are invested | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:56 n00bKing wrote: i find you too blinkered.I don't know how much legwork it is or isn't. What I know is that Palmar told us he's only reading 20-30% of the game, and that he doesn't "meta" people. Then he went and dug up multiple links to discussions of the Coag "town seal" meta. If Coag is on the scum team with him, and this is the game where the seal is being broken, then the motivation is obvious. It sounds to me like rsoul and/or rayn are hypothesizing that Palmar could instead have done that just to look like he was doing *something* and it wouldn't hurt his scum play to give town Coag all this help looking townie, because Coag is a well-known player, and the history of the town seal would have come to light if needed anyway. That all sounds fine too. So again, red Palmar doesn't necessarily mean red Coag. I was only saying that unless or until we see red Palmar, I'm not even going to worry about a red Coag, because of how huge an indicator the town seal appears to be. You are palmar scum read Why cant he be motivated to disprove you | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:59 darthfoley wrote: why arent you voting yet. If no access till near deadline?No I just check on mobile and respond when I feel like it. And I don't feel like it most of the time. | ||
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You did vote On that note. Good night | ||
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On March 25 2018 06:55 n00bKing wrote: and what did the obsetvations uncover?It wasn't a post that CAN'T come from Town. It's a post that SHOULDN'T come from Town, because there isn't ANY reason for a Town player to make it. Can I envision Tictock doing something he shouldn't, without any reason for it? Yes, that doesn't feel completely out of his wheelhouse, based on my prior experience with him. It's a scum indicator, but it's not conclusive evidence, so I put my vote on him for added pressure, to see what he would say and do next, while there was already some traction on him (2 votes there before I added the 3rd, and no one else having more than 1 vote). And I didn't list which posts specifically irked me or why until later, so that I could watch and see which (if any) other players would make similar observations. | ||
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On March 25 2018 07:04 rsoultin wrote: ?? If you're referring to the question that I asked slam regarding NK, NK said he had points that he'd bring up after Slam answered. Slam hasn't. Or are you referring to something else? Also, please see my question for you regarding your association dichotomies. Were those based primarily on the Rels wagon? Yes yhat was the nk thing Please point me to post id | ||
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On March 25 2018 07:34 n00bKing wrote: My role PM: + Show Spoiler + You are the town Nunya Bizness. Don't tell other players your role. Whatva stiff joke Scumslip... | ||
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On March 25 2018 07:53 Palmar wrote: You call yourself King. But what is a King to a God? Pwrhaps a propaganda device for the masses? | ||
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This isnt a loaded questiin Whats less towny Palmar staying on n00b but not catching up Or rayn jumpijg off? Like i dont see why rayn as scum would feel a need Probabaly did reevaluatr? So palmar is scum? | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:09 rsoultin wrote: >< yeah I have nothing nice to say nor do i have a fucking clue were scum is. maybe vivax is just town god. koshi could easily be scum. i could easily be wrong on rayn. i don't want to be wrong on palmar, but given how this game has gone pffffft mocsta can even be scum for calling for more modkills, cause what town player wants that No Slam is specific cos could be scum So ff should be tomorrow lynch... Tictock keeps having good and bad posts. Will give benefit of the doubt | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:11 rsoultin wrote: yeah agreeblah i don't fucking know game is hard, means big names are probably scum sometimes scum can't resist the siren call of being right palmar could be scum for his reaction to the flips, too Quite fake Yes tomorrow is ff or palmar I woukd prefer palmar as hr will be harswr to lynch as the game goes on | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:44 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, off-the cuff gut, Palmar/Koshi. Town koshi isn't shining through. Palmar is playing on the weekend. Slam might be the third. Not sure on the fourth. FF can always be scum. Or just not. Cause yeah, how does anyone read FF? I'd advise against going for the low-hanging fruit. Put on y'all's big-boy pants, because if we just lynch players who always look like they could be scum, that's game unless we get the luck of the draw. Will have to reread everything and see what looks different @.@ If you're town, DF, I need you to pull out all the stops. You and mocsta. If my world is in any way near the truth, we're going to have to do the heavy lifting. And I can't confidently say you're town here, DF. Make my life easier. Sorry Like im pissed off i didnt replace cos its the cut off Ive been tilted since i stupid claimed and important shit in real life Everytime i think about this game i get a headache Like all my town reads to date have been spot on So who keeps on ebbing in and out of my reads Tictock and palmar and darthfoley Koshi is a pool of nothing to me.. i suppose if he was scum theres no need for him to try. We are self capitulating Interestijg connection If koshi and palmar are scum.... palmar first post emphasis on koshi before doing strwam of consciousneas is some scum points as steuggling to make first post | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:47 rsoultin wrote: I just forgot rayn again...at least his tone felt pretty town rayn to me in several spots. I'll have to reread his filter closely and really think on it. -pokes disinfo and tt- i feel y'all are more town than the names i've put down above. You did great work on a day where town was getting comfortably lynched and no effort was happening in the thread from hardly anyone. I find that really unlikely to come from scum. Will also need y'all's help tonight. Thats a good point Ok I will relax tictoxk | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:57 Koshi wrote: Good to see Slam is allowed to stay alive though. I wonder why. Bad post Not the fact The insinuation | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:59 Koshi wrote: You wont believe me. But I am not mafia. Trust your opinion on my content. Not the amount of my post. I dont care the amount It is the content Like that last game we played bkth town You shone through and had committment with low post This game is like the poor cousin | ||
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On March 25 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote: Then get shiny. Insinuating that I'm basing it on your post count disregards how often I've correctly townread you on similarly sparse posts. Re: rayn, no. No, I'm not certain. It's a townlean at this point. Re: dis. Okay. Meta dive is in order for tomorrow then. I'm assuming keeping this much interest and activity up unnecessarily is difficult, but some people still can. Please im relyinf on you at this point I am hoping i am night killed so i dont have to read this game.. Im just a sheep at this point so mafia may be ok leaving a confirmed alive vs you + rayn etc | ||
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It wasnt even a venomous game??? What a waste of time. I want to modkill myself now and end this game Save everyone thr hassle of reading 130pages | ||
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On March 25 2018 09:11 rsoultin wrote: rofl >< this is where a town concede button would just be so nice >< okay, so slam isn't the third scum koshi/palmar even more likely to be scum though \o/ Yep But i think this game may only br mathematical chance for town win with a medic/jk save each night Lots of pressure on darthfoley | ||
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On March 25 2018 09:18 Tictock wrote: I'm just going to throw out the option of scum conceding and all of us just calling this game a terrible terrible wash? Is that something we could do? Let me k ow what the qt says That last post was terrible and extremely scummy cant help yaself gloating Like extremely poor | ||
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Tictock is confirmed mafia Lynch tomorrow Honor holyflare | ||
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One of ff and moose also Nice move putting yaself green lol | ||
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On March 25 2018 09:46 darthfoley wrote: Out of those 3, the only with potential to be an alpha is palmar.My biggest concern with rayn, off the top of my head rather than reading his filter, is that this game he's felt all too comfortable not being in control or leading lynches. Like he's called me mafia for a couple days but did he ever truly try to get me lynched? He even ended up even voting with me on Rels (after I had voted for Rels). Has he really tried to get anyone lynched? His lack of aggression (and yes, aggression is different from shit fighting) is troubling. Palmar/Koshi/rayn all consider themselves alpha males, but all three have been playing like betas. We need to find the difference between lazy play and scum The others are more control freaks. wanting to be in control and alpha are not the same thing. I say this because, whilst the observation that rayn should be more "controlling" or in your words "alpha" is true. being mafia is not the only explanation for this. in fact, if rayn was mafia and happy with the town direction (i.e. slitting each other throats). i can see no reason for him to back away from reads as it draws unncessary attentino when hes not going to look terrible regardless. rayn = town. | ||
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Keep up posts like #2702 (1) too much effort for mafia to make when in such a good position (2) its exactly the type of post i foresee from town!df you are out of my lynch pool. | ||
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On March 25 2018 10:39 rsoultin wrote: I'm not certain on rayn, really. But I used to catch him for lack of inclusivity, then he adjusted when I was in a position to lead town and fooled the shit out of me. That would make him less likely to tunnel like a blind banshee in this game I think. So my toneread on him may be tainted by his catering to me. Which is way more likely in a strong mafia team I think. If we have a medic hero we have plenty of time to thoroughly consider this. Or some of y'all do. I'm going to put this out here...I actually think ff may be town lol >< yeah, but whats a stacked mafia team? like, if you want to say palmar + koshi + rayn its equally offset by for example: you, hf, df + me (& n00b lol) look, if rayn was mafia, i would prefer to consider him as the final mafia i suppose i can consider moosy #1 after what DF posted, and that, with all that trolling then reverts to more trolling and always wants to know what others think of him. hmm, i didnt read him in medic though to know if there is a similarity at all. | ||
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On March 25 2018 10:46 darthfoley wrote: the only caveat is that tictock had votes as the alt. wagon.I tend to take rsoultin's perspective that you did a lot of work for no reason today if you're mafia. But I should probably reread the last 10 pages or so but when it was clear n00b was getting lynched, tictock didtn stop. thats what makes me feel good. | ||
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On March 20 2018 21:07 Palmar wrote: this onemocsta backing up hf's claim about noobking's chosen subjects does matter. | ||
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On March 25 2018 11:07 Tictock wrote: stop this.You are really all over the place with me, pretty sure you called me like 100% scum an hour ago? I do agree that I have spewed myself town at this point, but I thought I had done this when you posted: Really not having good vibes from you lately, feel like you've been lounging ever since you claimed Vig. We are basically at endgame, there is a good reason why I brought out the tin-foil on you and haven't included you in my town circle. since rsoultin made that post about effort, i dropped the read immediately. "thats what makes me feel good" | ||
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On March 25 2018 11:15 Tictock wrote: i find your posts good and bad.Man... both you and DF can't read me yourselves? Both just accept Rsoul's read? Noob gave up reading me too... Someone level with me, what is it that makes ya'll just avoid me? In actuality, its a town tell to be so inconsistent (because it reflects the changing state of the game). its hard for a person to objectively look at that "annoyment" and not think scummy. its similar to why you arent getting good vibes from me. scum agenda is to blend and be forgotten. everyone we are talking about is doing that koshi / palmar / moosy and some ?ff? someone else who i cant even remember. | ||
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Superb Koshi is #1 lynch day3 Pending medic save Does town have 3 medic dodges? Sucks to be medic/jk | ||
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On March 25 2018 12:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh god... :S koshi we are mafia with palmar and whoever. Shit they caught us. :D :D :D I am gonna be sarcasm 100% for the rest of the game. Kill df. This was not sarcasm. I read thread. I am a believer | ||
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On March 25 2018 17:43 rsoultin wrote: If coag is scum I'm fine losing to him breaking his town seal. Lol agreed as far as im concerned lynch order is: koshi -> palmar then we are all dead anyways, and its up to the lurkers. | ||
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On March 25 2018 21:28 rsoultin wrote: Well it took all of two seconds to discover that reading disfo town for activity was retarded on my part \o/ 26 page filter, lynched day 6 in generic. ??? | ||
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On March 25 2018 22:21 disformation wrote: reading ppl solely based on activity is seldom a good idea. but u didnt say its bad in this instance... | ||
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On March 25 2018 23:43 rsoultin wrote: ??? Vivax was hard scum on exo and kelsier.While showing this to Lex I just realized...this post is probably one of the most adorable things you've ever written <3 Sorry I hurt your feelings. It's just, game is really hard when you realize Viva was the rightest town on D1 lol >< Bith town? | ||
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PAGE 1 First 13 players are all town.. fuck wierd right Bottom 4 players are all under suspicion E.g. koshi and mooistydoosy Im serious game is solved Coag broke his seal..... | ||
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On March 26 2018 05:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: that was palmaralso the reason why I think tictock is still scum is because how D2 turned out. It turned from "Vote tictock he's scum!" to gradual change to "Hey noobking is the next best thing why don't we kill him instead!" and then noobking flipped town. Scum probably changed thread sentiment from tictock to noobking because he is scum partner and they know noobking is town. I can't be mad because i also fell for this since I also thought noobking was scum | ||
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Koshi MoosyDoosy Secondary Lynches Palmar Fecalfeast Evaluate with whose left @ LYLO disformation Coagulation Unlynchables Mocsta rsoultin raynpelikoneet darthfoley Tictock So if with no KP block. I predict: rsoultin, Mocsta, Tictock will be shot That leaves the game as potentially 4-4 LYLO. sigh... Koshi down is 4-3, but mafia have 2 KP and game is over. There must be a KP block available - I hope to god its not the vet. SO HERES THE PLAN Essentially, if a medic does not claim Day3, town may as well concede; as scum will NEVER shoot disfo. If medic does claim, disfo gets lynched over Koshi. | ||
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On March 26 2018 07:43 Tictock wrote: i dont understand the false premise of the question at hand?My tinfoil is glimmering. Why don’t you think you will be shot Mocsta? | ||
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medic will keep the game going longer. dont want to out for the sake of it. but i dont personally want to go through day3 to then just lose either. ffs. meh just keep it in mind. | ||
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the more I think about it. disfo is scum. I really dont see how we have 4 blue roles. and I am certain scum would never withhold KP on Night 1 and disfo certainly was not shot to test the vest. So Day3 lynch = Disfo Day4 lynch = Koshi Day 5 lynch = Moosy [b]I believe we need 2 KP blocks to keep this game going if remaining lynches are successful; which will be a big ask. As I think 3 mafia will need to be lynch before KP drops to 1.... Final mafia is dependent on who is still standing. | ||
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Further analysis of this post may prove useful. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26967454 in particular the throw-away votes | ||
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thats dumb. so if theres 5 mafia, it will take 3 dead mafia to reduce to 1KP 4 mafia is 2 dead mafia. wait. ignore that shit dont have enough time to redo numbers, but its all wrong. ohh interesting.. if there is 4mafia (like i said prior).. the night1 kills was spot on. 2 + 1 from vig. thats only saving grace for this game. sigh.. fuck my life. all pointless and confusing spiel. /IGNORE. | ||
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i thought the blue was tictock nice work rsoultin. ok, so disfo is scum now as well but i will honor theorder ##Vote: Koshi + its 4 mafia, so doesn to 3.. with this lynch, we get 1 KP and game is back to being winable!!! | ||
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post game i want to know if saves or offensive RB. DAYAM. maybe i might try and read filter for crumbs. good job! | ||
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On March 21 2018 01:07 rsoultin wrote: Hopefully this isnt what you meant.. lol DFAlso, post-game, I'm really curious about this gnat read. It's not how I see my own townplay at all lol >< I've called myself a gnat before but that's because I have to keep hammering at my scumread nails until I'm blue in the face usually for people to lynch them with me. Not for pestering? | ||
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On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote: With Disfo almost confirmed fake-claiming - i.e. mafia.Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care. This summarises succinctly why Palmar is mafia. I wish i shot him night 1..ffs. | ||
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On March 23 2018 05:06 rsoultin wrote: KK. so this was the night1 JK action, and was an offensive RB.But I think that night actions might be best utilized on Conversion of the three. It's not just about the NK focus, it's also about the little jabs at people which I thought he was trying to cut out. Feels pretty different from Vendee to me. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote: ahhhh thisI'm not getting lynched. Not today. Not ever. And I'm not even going to be cautious about saying that because I probably already gave myself away with my response to your shit assumptions regarding the nks. interesting pickup DF indeed. | ||
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On March 26 2018 08:20 Tictock wrote: dude.. just vote Koshi before the phone dies.Gg based JK god Rsoul. No clue who she saved though can’t find a crumb in her EoN post. Mafia fucked up leaving me alive. But my phone is about to die so bye for now. | ||
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Its literally, there is one mafia between Mocsta/Disfo. Scum is: Koshi / Palmar / Disfo. 4th one is probably Moosy. This group makes real sense with how town self-exploded as well. | ||
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I also think Palmar is just as clear. Note this post On March 22 2018 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you (still) think Koshi is mafia? On March 22 2018 18:17 Palmar wrote: I don't think I ever thought koshi was mafia. I don't really care about koshi until he starts playing. I haven't noticed him playing much at all. He hasn't found any kind of a tunnel to get settled in to yet, so maybe it's fine, but maybe this is just weak scum koshi. I don't think he's a primary lynch candidate right now. Very relevant for player to player interactions. The third scum is clearly Disfo because of the fake claim & how both Palmar/Koshi targetted him Day1. The forth scum is the interesting one. I originally thought Moosy - but I suspect its actually now FF. Both Palmar/Koshi are very obliging about eliminating Moosy and keeping FF. In particular, when Palmar starts talking about vig shots on all lurkers (bar FF), So scum team is: Koshi / Palmar / Disfo / FeacalFeast | ||
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On March 26 2018 11:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: what does a jailkeeper do Votes Koshi, thats what they do. Be a good elk and place that vote! | ||
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Why didnt you rb n1 Did you think i would shoot town or didnt believe the claim? | ||
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On March 26 2018 18:28 Koshi wrote: I rb conversion. And I didnt believe / care about the claim. I was being faecetious | ||
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Hurry up and Vote for Koshi | ||
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On March 26 2018 20:01 Mocsta wrote: Coag, Rayn, Moosy, Palmar Hurry up and Vote for Koshi | ||
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Feacetious feacalfeast Mafia Koshi Disfo Palmar So clear | ||
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End-game will be coag, moosy and probably feacalfeast Like thats a crapshoot Dont even knkw if coag will vote And completely uncontrollable We may as well agree to a draw Im being completely serious btw | ||
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On March 26 2018 21:24 Mocsta wrote: I dont know why the scum team is trying so hard [...] Im being completely serious btw On March 26 2018 21:31 Palmar wrote: If Palmar is town as he says, mafia don't have to try. its auto-lose.for one you have me in your mafia list, which means if we follow it we lose 100%. [...] Like this is almost post of the thread worthy. ;P | ||
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disgusting actually. literally disgusting. Like.. ok. i lost one week of my life, i can get over it. but i cant understand why coag even replaced in to not even vote. should i modkill myself to end the torture? | ||
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that is so inspirational im almost tempted to unvote you ##Unvote Koshi | ||
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On March 26 2018 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not going to be arund until tomorrow morning, so that's Mocsta time. Why is Koshi mafia? koshi claimed scum!RB | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I thought Koshi was trying to get shit doen after D1 lynch, regardless of if he was right or wrong it looked like he was actually trying to get shit done. re-read koshi filter (p.s. its short) its quite transparent scum, with all the modkills read df case read rsoultin final post | ||
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On March 26 2018 10:08 Mocsta wrote: So.. after reading Koshi filter - clearly scum as we already predict. I also think Palmar is just as clear. Note this post Very relevant for player to player interactions. The third scum is clearly Disfo because of the fake claim & how both Palmar/Koshi targetted him Day1. The forth scum is the interesting one. I originally thought Moosy - but I suspect its actually now FF. Both Palmar/Koshi are very obliging about eliminating Moosy and keeping FF. In particular, when Palmar starts talking about vig shots on all lurkers (bar FF), So scum team is: Koshi / Palmar / Disfo / FeacalFeast rayn FYI | ||
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wtf is going on here like, i get being cautious for lylo but to think rb + jk is kosher + koshi. fark.... me | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care, i don't know what roles scum have so i can't know what roles town has / would have. proving ignorance is bliss. dude.. its a classic game.. roles are important, and its very unlike you to throw that away, no | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am well aware what combination of roles we have or can have. It ahs nothing to do with what i said because what roles scum have will obviously matter in what we have. and it appears scum have fuck-all unless you are suggesting they withheld KP | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: You very well know palmar that a smart host decides to put "stupid" combination of roles just because people do this shit all the time where they try to game the setup. Maybe someone will make the argument that Mocsta is mafia because no way in hell would a host put so many investigative roles in the game. haha & i call bullshit that DF is your #1 lynch out of remaining players as i said, i get being cautious for LYLO, but you arent coming across as that you are coming across as trying to force a lynch off Koshi thats absolutely scummy im really surprised by all this, shocked actually. going to sleep this off, i know my soldering is getting worse at the moment so definitely tired. | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Scum have rb for sure because otherwise the game is invalid but do you think koshi claims rb as scum rb? yes I do its shit-stirring | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not trust df the slightest and afaik we are gonna lose if we lynch town today. Well i don't trust rsoultin either. Sorry. i read this as df is your preferred lynch | ||
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On March 27 2018 01:03 Palmar wrote: ohh man.. for post-game, i think this is very truthful.yeah but honestly, if you look at the numbers, there's been no indication that mafia has any extra kp, and I think (I cba doing the math) the game would be mathematically over if we have 5 mafia. So we have 4 mafia and unusually many townies. I don't know how that is balanced without mocsta being scum. But maybe hosts are just bad at balancing. OR maybe hosts are next-level and anticipated half of town being full of shitheads who get themselves modkilled, and counted that as mafia kp best hosts tbh. if mafia have fuck all roles (or for real, vet lol).. i can deffo see being demotivated given 16v4 and no roles and strong town, lurking scum. totally makes game sense for how game panned out. | ||
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you very sexy player much to learn from you, much to learn. | ||
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why is rayn town and why is df scummy, if he built a solid case on koshi. like too much effort to be scum case as well.....???? | ||
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im really tempted to end this game now. and moosy, you're a piece of shit. you really are. k, im leaving my vote on Koshi See you @ flip. | ||
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On March 27 2018 07:26 Tictock wrote: no, perhaps i phrased poorly.For the record Mocsta, this is why I keep tinfoiling you. You both say you are wavering on me and tell me I can stop playing for the rest of the phase if my vote is on Koshi. So both unsure and 100% sure I am town. my top 3 town reads are: coag, darthfoley, tictock I was merely commenting that posts like those are why I have had difficult stabilising a read on you. - Purely side commentary and does not change you are a NO-HOLDS BARRED town read this game. After sleeping on it, I really, REALLY dont like what rayn did the past 6 hours, not because he hasn't voted Koshi. But because I think is seeking to split votes. Im not really sure what this means for allignment though, as i can see some benefit to it . I merely just dont like it when 3 players have completely unpredictable vote (FF, Moosy, Coag). At this point, I just dont care anymore. Why invest time and effort in this game, when almost 50% of vote is completely uncontrolled. Thats why Moosy is a piece of shit. Of those 3, he is the only one posting to indicate a semblance of reading the thread. And still continues to troll. Anyways, /rant over. Hopefully that clarifies your point above. | ||
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On March 27 2018 07:16 darthfoley wrote: mafia is a team game for both alignments.If koshi is mafia, the game continues and My suspicion was correct If koshi is town, the game is over. Win win have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning. wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads. you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless. Thats why I will always have respect for marvellosity. There was this game he created a fake account years ago as fivetouch. as a complete nobody he got the entire town onside and lynched mafia day1. Very real crisis leadership. i dont think any of the players in this game could do that; many are relying on reputations due to "correct suspicions". The closest may actualy be Koshi, but for different reasons to fivetouch. Koshi as town *CAN* be very involving from what I have seen in 2018. Again, this is why he is scum this game. ciao. | ||
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On March 27 2018 02:51 darthfoley wrote: uhhh I posted a case when everyone saw it. I was the first (or second, idk) person to look into Koshi as scum. Specifically, read these two posts: | ||
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On March 27 2018 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: that is not D1. no, you are right i am convinced and willing to listen. | ||
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so your team is: disfo + palmar + DF + FF my team is: Disfo + palmar + FF + Koshi Fine, I will lynch Disfo, since thats a common element (or we could just lynch palmar )##Unvote ##Vote: Disfo Now onto more important Do you have any posts on why Koshi specifically is town (and dont say by PoE with others). and to confirm one last time: you do not give RB claim any credence? Regarding DF and the poor scum reads criteria. Remember that HF tried to get me lynched Day1 and was woefully wrong. Like, i havent really read anything from DF so wont defend him other than he maintained activity Night2 (in a way that I think helped me + rsoultin) which I think was important. I dont see scum motivation for that, but can examine filter if needed. | ||
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On March 27 2018 13:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: did he. i havent re-read the discussion nor can i recall it.df helped you in getting onto wrong track and you think it makes him town? ok. i know the post you are talking about ksohi. its incoming in my filter dump about to be unveiled. | ||
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On March 20 2018 23:23 Koshi wrote: Sticks by this read and tell heavily throughout Day1.[...] "Disfo scum for helping" On March 21 2018 17:41 Koshi wrote: Sick read on Ex0 who majority of thread read as town.The only thing you should expect is a letter from my lawyer demanding royalties. It is a good analogy though. If it is true and not about rsoultin which I suspect it is. Because I already said she was town. Exo is also town. Free read. No insight unlike NK or myself towards that sick town read. On March 21 2018 20:32 Koshi wrote: Sick prediction for mafia team. Not a scumtell in isolation, but written very much in confidence.5 mafia would be unbalanced unless town has 3 protection roles so I am assuming 4 mafia. If there are 5 mafia hosts fucked up. Or should asap change the amount of night kills. So if there are 5 mafia. Contact the hosts that their balance is potentially shit. Remember mafia has members/2 night kills rounded up. So 4 makes a lot of sense. Calix is probably smart. Note the only 2 players to speculate with this much confidence is Ksohi + Palmar On March 22 2018 03:40 Koshi wrote: LOL. sick read on NK & last paragraph almost written as matter of fact / tongue-in-cheek.I really dont want to lynch anybody xcept disformation. All others are ok. And the fact somebody like nk still has r votes on him and I feel like he could get more still is suspicious enough. Well nai for disformation but telling for nk being town. Mafia played lowkey and made decent posts most likely. On March 22 2018 04:20 Koshi wrote: Same, dig @ Vivax with matter of fact / tongue-in-cheek. Guess what, all town them except Koshi. FU vivax too !Impressive Vivax. That is somewhat my towncircle given some paranoia on rayn and mehish on HF. On March 22 2018 04:55 Koshi wrote: For someone that has been so cavalier all game, Koshi is now very explanatory with his unvote. SCUM TELLIf you are blue spill it out so I can vote somebody else. I am not lynching any blue claim till I am sure it is mafia. With the back up role I take it mafia doesn't care about losing roles anyway. On March 22 2018 08:13 Koshi wrote: Really shitting town post given this prior:You guys fucked up. RIP Rels. I take no responsibility. On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote: yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not: say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr. On March 22 2018 05:14 Koshi wrote:Yeah I don't have one. So I will join the majority. Hmm. Veteran.. Pff. Maybe. I am afk and will ninjavote later. On March 23 2018 06:03 Koshi wrote: first mention of DF, who is then a scum read in his list post.I like this comment. You are in the null category atm but this is good. On March 23 2018 08:31 Koshi wrote: interesting position to take.TT, fefe, Palmar are good names here. Palmar only on d3 I think. rayn vs df is a really annoying riddle. I think df is mafia and rayn can be. Even together. [...] On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote: Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people. Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi... On March 23 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote: This is interesting quote. It could reinforce the town!RB, but Koshi never points this out as a crumb. So doesnt count now. Just like Mocsta I think we blocked 1 kp tbh. Mafia kp is 4/2=2 and I think they have either a vigi or strongarm. The balance seems fine this game. Further, the block on conversino doesnt really line up with his filter progression. yes, conversion is listed as scum; but hes definitely more interested in darthfoley. Now, rsoultin cannot target the same player twice as JK & KP across the 2 nights is indicative of mafia limited to 2-KP. Thus I find it very unlikely that she managed to block mafia from delivering KP 2 nights in row; more likely that she blocked a save on night 2, missed on night 1. Again, i think this points out to bullshit from koshi On March 23 2018 08:57 Koshi wrote: DF why is rayn not mafia? You not talking about him at all when the only interesting thing during the night was calling you mafia. If you are town. rayn did nothing. And his EoD was non existing as well. On March 23 2018 08:58 darthfoley wrote: I never said he wasn't mafia. Let me look through his eod On March 23 2018 09:01 Koshi wrote: To me, this progression is Koshi baiting DF to shit on Rayn and fan the fires.Exactly. You are not solving this game friend. One of the big players is playing underwhelming and calling you mafia and you dont bring his name up talking to us... His name should pop up way more in your posts. But it isnt. I wonder why. On March 23 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote: Very flipfloppy on Palmar... interesting, no?Well. I am not reading a lot of posts tbh. I'll read your filter later df. Hopefully what you say is true. Palmar seems like a friend to town. At least we think alike. I have like 6 names I could lynch today. At best there is 3 mafia in them. 1 mafia is probably within my townier people so that is why my townier people need to democratically vote within the 6. Highest chance to hit mafia. Dont only advocate for your own lynch. Think globally. On March 23 2018 19:14 Koshi wrote: Overly justified vote##vote n00bKing For somebody who put in effort you are not where the other people are who are putting in effort. You are not where rsoultin, Mocsta, Vivax or HF are. You made a post with 3 scumreads and I didnt feel excited about a single one. Mistakes were made yesterday. Rest of filter after claim doesnt matter. | ||
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interesting inconsistenies on rayn; but do they actualy push a scum agenda, or more gut-feelings? like. i get having a town circle is nice, but it seems we cant even agree on who the lynch pool is, considering you dont seem to want a disfo or palmar lynch as per above. i dont want a rayn or moosy lynch as the first scum wagon to fall. + coag is a complete coinflip too. i wont bother asking you for feedback on my koshi notes, given we both scum raed him. | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think this is a black or white answer.See that's funny, Koshi claims df isn't talking about me at all at that point (which is correct), df says he has been calling me scum even before (which is incorrect -- proven by the "let me look at his filter" thingy). I standby "To me, this progression is Koshi baiting DF to shit on Rayn and fan the fires." Also note, HF was calling me mafia for yonks before it snowballed to a near lynch. At no point during that did I call him mafia, or acknowledge his case either. Like, just DF and you are "arguing" does not mean he has to think you are scum. My main concern was that DF seemed happy to argue with you vs. doing something else productive in accordance with his filter. Now, you might fill the gaps to come to the conclusion being productive = following scum read, ergo rayn is DF scum read. But that is precisely why this is fanning a burning fire. I wrote it explicitly = town Koshi wrote it vaguely = scummy to fill in blanks. | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:14 Tictock wrote: Sarcasm or no in some of the smaller posts... You clearly TR Koshi for very little reason all over your D1 and D2 filter, he keeps showing up as town in posts and in lists. I also literally found a townread of yours where you say "I am trusting Koshi here" You really want to argue this? the pre-flip associations going on in my head are: Koshi + Rayn is a team, given how try-hard and biased Rayn is playing to derail this. The problem then is Disfo is town as the counter-wagon. I dont believe Disfo is town due to 3 blues. If there realy was a vet, I would be expecting a strongman.. so why hasnt this been shot? No way rsoultin blocked it twice, cos she cant RB the same person 2 nights in a row. NK dont line up with a strongman. hence, fake claim. hence scum... i just dont see a world where koshi + rayn + disfo is scum. im still certain palmar is scum too in any combinatino (same with koshi) tictock, are my heuristics flawed; or do you see what im seeing? | ||
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every game, townies never know whom mafia is and as they solve the game, their reads will change. mafia can be much more consistent and adjust to game-state. like, everytime you say you dont like me; is precisely why im town. I dotn actually KNOW who scum is and its fuckn LYLO and fuckn the lurkers are not wagoning on Koshi.. so its arse-twitching. You are actually doing the same thing as me, so just shut up and accept im town ffs. dude. im not resistant to rayn or moosy, its more, in lylo with 4/4 scum players left, i want to hit the highest percentage chance. That is Koshi or Disformation or Palmar to a lesser extent. Everyone else is lower percentage, and honestly, not worth investing time in discussing. frankly, that has not been wishy-washy all cycle. | ||
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and i dont think its relevant to make a case on palmar. not, cos i dont want to for you. but because, whats the point? Hes not a primary lynch today, and I could do it @ night phase if we make it. whats wrong with 4 blues. i said it above. i expect it to be paired with a strongman... (which I know is a leap).. and to me, the Night Kills do not suggest mafia have addition KP. | ||
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i wrote poorly about coag hes not a coin flip.. the seal makes him town. im saying COAG VOTE is a coinflip like to me, this whole game is a waste of time. so much effort for what? the deciding vote will always be COAG. my reads align with rsoultin. I thought you were aligned that way night2. as mentioned, my only care is whether we make it to night 3. Lynch highest % scum. that is koshi.. like what more is there to discuss.. other than rayn trying his hardest to derail this. | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:40 Tictock wrote: how am i appeasing youAppeasing me is exactly the approach I expect scum to take here. I notice Moosy is the only one with the brass to actually try to call me scum at this point, even though it's super weak. I'm not here to tell you how to play Mocsta, I'm just telling you what I think. Also I need to get to bed, so peace. go to bed and re-read this. you are being excessively paranoid. you and I are the only two people in this game that actually care about the game. we are both town. moosy calling you scum IS STUPID. you are town for caring. case closed. ffs have a good sleep. | ||
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this is my understanding of the game-state night2, a bunch of people did not contribute. after the NKs, suddenly 10 pages move with mainly banter => shitting the thread to lose focus. contributers to this are koshi, disfo, palmar like. im really at an impasse here. if you cant read me, thats my fault and i take ownership of that, and will aim to define my reads better. Like, this shitting the thread is *REALLY* important. we dont have to solve the game today, we just need to lynch the highest % scum and keep it going. then solve the game during the night. | ||
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On March 26 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote: If I Die Before I Wake Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game. *Palmar 98% scum. I lied The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's.(sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well) Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players. disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum. FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy). DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said. Coag...if this is the game man, kudos? | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:02 darthfoley wrote: Interesting post to note if Koshi flips red.So... none of your top three are gonna happen (unfortunately about KSC). Where's your head at for the vote? kinda scary DF has an unmemorable 15page filter. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:39 darthfoley wrote: Quote above has more significance when looking @ this.Depends on who you consider "strong players." I've thought HF and Vivax were townie since early on. I've consistently been suspicious on you and rsoultin. I've ignored Koshi until recently but I'm not particularly impressed by his play. I haven't read his filter individually, but he can be considered somewhat scummy. He's been super detached from the game imo | ||
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(1) Constantly delurks - i.e. always present and choosing not to contribute (2) Filter is very introverted - i.e. really focuses on discussion with 1 to 2 people. Usually town leading figures, but is not actually working with them to secure lynches. (3) Doesnt share info, and then suddenly has a lynch opinion in line with thread sentiment (4) I always read the rayn/DF convos as odd in that DF seems happy for the shiftfest to continue. [green]Confirmed town rest of game[green] Mocsta - trying to solve the game whether right or wrong raynpelikoneet - Im trusting rsoultin here, and assuming rayn challenging the lynch is his way of trying to solve the game, whether right or wrong Tictock - again, trying to solve the game, whether right or wrong Coagulation - town seal [GREEN]Likely town[green] MoosyDoosy - Breaks out of trolling at really odd intervals that I dotn think have lined up with pushign scum agenda (based on flips we know of). I alway hold into value that I assume a scum!Moosy would be more aligned with thread sentiment. Of the rest: Koshi, darthfoley, disformation, Palmar, fecalfeast I would say the town is between Palmar/fecalfeast. Im conflicted with Palmar. Hes done some things I really like, and some i really dont. This is different to tictock who has said things i think are stupid, and things i think are not stupid. Rayn Personally I would still prefer to lynch Koshi, as I think he has the highest chance to flip scum However, Im comfortable with darthfoley or disfo. Thats it Koshi, darthfoley, disfo are the options. The thing is, between you/tictock/me, i dont think we can get consensus. i have no clue who moosy or FF will stick a vote with either. I will check ya filter now to see why you think koshi is town, but it would have been nice if you could reply to the stuff i posted on him prior. | ||
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On March 27 2018 15:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: lol, you can be convincing when you want toidk why we're talking about killing Koshi or disfo or Mocsta this would be the EXACT thing that mafia wants even moreso if we actually have 5 blue roles. If 5 is impossible and we have 4 blue roles, then we have a better chance of nailing scum in the 3/7 non claim pile for a ~43% chance of nailing mafia instead of 1/3 for a ~33% chance no, you're not missing anything if you are treating each person as, equally likely to be scum. would you vote DF with me? | ||
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On March 27 2018 15:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: fuck me does jailkeeper block a mafia attempting to kill someone too? like if rsoultin jailed scum and they delivered the shot she blocks it? JK, is medic and RB against target. | ||
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im not ya page1 bitch - Order of Operations: Mafia roleblocks -> town roleblocks -> heals -> mafia/ vigilante kills -> investigations -> othe Yes, town!RB blocks mafia kill. | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: ??fyi rsoultin jailed me N1 and there is no mafia team where i am not delivering KP on N1. I can't tell from N2 but i can surely tell from N1. crumb or deduced? | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: I dont follow this.I mean, if Koshi is scum, the only reason why his claim makes sense is if mafia has a win condition that lets them break lylo i.e. extra KP. Like this claim is objectively ass as fuck even for lazy mafia and if we take the statistically correct(?) play of leaving claimed blues alone I don't see how things are simplifed for us. Also disfo could be veteran and mafia could have wasted a KP on him during night in order to kill him this night phase. That's a possibility. But if we take the statistically correct blah laasdfb;asldifn Koshi claimed after being a wagon If scum only have 2KP available, then, a mislynch is almost guaranteed to be GG (unless town have another means of KP block we dont know about) | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: yeah, look i agree with this and do apologise.And to be completely honest with you Mocsta all of your campaigning and flipping reads and shit is worrying me so if Mafia kill you it would help me lmao im doign it because people like you + ff + coag were not giving any inkling of position. i realise its impact is the opposite, but very hard for me to stop. your recent posts are putting me much more at ease to relax. | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: at face value, this is actually a good idea.I'm just saying there might be a world where Koshi's claim is real or disfo is actually veteran so we should wait and see. Like mafia is going to have to kill a claimed blue here and if they're not going to kill Koshi or disfo they're going to kill you I checked OP to see if town!RB blocks KP. it doesnt. only a role. so, unless rsoultin blocked a role 2 nights in a row - it appears a town!rb has no value. i.e. there is no need to shoot koshi. is it possible, scum shot disfo.. yes.. but the 3KP would indicate a strongman which would piece. so again, doubt it. | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: fascinating. this i dont recallsomeone asked earlier why i suddenly scumread fecal and it's literally through PoE. Also the fact that he was willing to lynch rsoul at one point was what struck out to me. I noted it down earlier because I figured Fecal would be town if rsoul flipped scum but the opposite happened will check. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=Fecalfeast&view=all couldnt see a reference? | ||
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sorry dude, i misread in a rush. i read it as blocks strongman and backup cos of the x-shot "Roleblock a player at night, preventing them from taking any action. If you roleblock a role with X-shots, then they are not refunded their shots. If a conflict arises between a mafia and town roleblocking role, the mafia role takes priority" if any action includes NK then yep, not voting koshi is best action. scum have tos hoot him tonight. | ||
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im gonna go home, and walk away. im rambling way too much im happy with a vote on disfo or darth im still OK on koshi, but meh i can merit to leaving it to night resolve see ya btw, the FF stuff on rso is very interesting. excellent pick up from moosy too. On March 21 2018 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I've skimmed up while I'm supposed tk be working. Towny Palmar Rso - trying to solve game and posting a lot Hf Didform Not towny Kelsier Noobking Moose Back to work ask me why if you must On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote: Deadline is tomorrow right? I want to lynch rso On March 24 2018 02:38 disformation wrote: yes. why? On March 24 2018 02:48 Fecalfeast wrote: Seems mafia to me | ||
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its unlikely 4 town players will consolidate, so scum will be able to do last minute vote shenannigans to win. its why i wanted to force consolidation at start of sigh. as koshi said, i just wasn't capable anyhow, i scrub FF from my list. my final read of the game based on this continual thread disruption to bump page count is koshi, disformation, darthfoley, and /final post till flip | ||
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On March 27 2018 22:33 Palmar wrote: im so love/hate with youI'm gonna go with Koshi/rayn/ff + someone I'm missing Its annoying me greatly Right now its love | ||
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On March 27 2018 22:34 Palmar wrote: big plays would be mocsta, but most likely it's just someone like moosey or coag Nah The partial menagetois I.e. 2.5way wuth rayn/moosy and sorta mocsta Felt really townie. As in exceeded the people involved from 2.5 to 3. You back in my hate pile | ||
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On March 27 2018 23:41 Tictock wrote: This isn't a good thought process to be in.I actually think that makes it fairly likely for him to be green. However the lack of anyone even trying to vote him today does suggest he is scum. Assuming you didn’t manage to pocket me here Palmar I think my Koshi/Moosy/Rayn team is completely spot on here and the +1 has to be FF or Mocsta making mad plays. If we lose today Koshi/Rayn/Moosy/Mocsta is my team for post game cred. (1) If everyone thinks he is scum, he probably is scum... (2) What post-game cred. This cycle has been embarassingly bad. Everyone except me has been stubborn as fuck and refuses to concede any ground. Who cares if your town circle is right. We couldnt consolidate on a vote. Thats terrible and mafia will get an award. There is no post-game cred for town. | ||
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On March 28 2018 04:25 Coagulation wrote: TOWN Coag darth moosey ticktock SCUM rayn palm koshi foot Wow is this a baby seal post MY GOD, if the 4 town, are actually the 4 scum. My good. anyawys, im willing to vote shennie darthfoely. brought up by many, and goes no where. he is scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: darthfoely | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote: I'll concede ground if you concede that I'm town you are town vote df with me | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:08 disformation wrote: hm not sure? rayn prolly scum for going ham on me today. then 2 in df, palmar, fefe, md. figure out which ones its df vote with me | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:13 disformation wrote: dude was looking at df earlier and I didn't think he was like slam dunk There never is going to be a filter slam dunk. But, he never gets traction THAT, my friend, is your slam dunk. | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:18 disformation wrote: do we even have enough ppl to get him lynched, without giving scum the option to choose from 3 wagons? every player (except mayeb coag) will be here before deadline So yes, we have enough people. On March 28 2018 07:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I thought DF was scum before Coag.Df could very well be the last scum on my.list. Why does this one post from.coag make you think a. That he is scum claiming his whole team as town and b. That this isnreason to vote df specifically Coag post just prompted me, thats all. Literally, DF suspicion has been ignored ALL GAME. DF has no reads DF was caught by Kelsier Day1, for inconsistency with ExO. Defending him hard as town; and then left him off his town circle! + he is always actively delurking. So you know he is present in the game at all times and is choosing to not move the game forward! DF = scum lets shenannie | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:23 Fecalfeast wrote: Also to say that he never gained traction ergo he's scum makes no sense i never gained traction and I'm town you have been tossed around as a faint concept only this cycle. but theres not enough in your filter to ever lynch you as the highest-chance to flip scum in LYLO. DF has been mentioned all game. THATS the difference. | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote darthfoley | ||
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and i see no reason for mafia to have to be on a mafia!koshi wagon and stay on it. They can all jump off at the last minute, and pile 4 votes onto town and its game over. Or if town, they can just stay on, and its a forced mislynch as well. DF says, all wagons are scum before. AND? so what, the highest vote would be 2, if 4 scum jump off. Consolidation is needed, and whether koshi is town or not. i wont vote him this cycle purely for above. | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:37 Tictock wrote: dont get fixated on the word choiceSo this means you agree that Shennanigans are bad as town needs to stick together? So why the hell are you suggesting shennanies? get fixated on the vision do you disagree with the situation scum can do last-minute? If so, we need to band together away from koshi. I believe DF is either unanimously not hard-town read by anyone. Thats a massive sign of being scum. HE IS THE STONE THAT HASNT BEEN TURNED OFF. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: tictock I actually wish you were vivax @ this point. both of you are stubborn, but at least he could put his differences aside. | ||
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and voted FF On March 28 2018 07:40 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Fecalfeast im actually certain with how quick FF unvoted DF once it didnt get traction that FF and DF are a team. my vote is now officially parked. | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:39 Tictock wrote: STOP THISWhy is Koshi no longer scum to you? Why should we lynch DF who has not been talked about all cycle. This is just chaos that benefits mafia. WHY DO YOU THINK THERE HAS BEEN NO DISCUSSION ABOUT IT SRIOUSLY MAFIA HAVE CONTROLLED AND DISRUPTED THE THREAD THIS CYCLE GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:42 Tictock wrote: I appreciate the tone change and fair point to raise. Yea I do tend to be stubborn and can get tunneled, but honestly you want me to totally re-evaluate less than 20 min from deadline in LyLo? Come on Mocsta, this has desperation written all over it. However there are 4 mafia in 10 players. (With you and me town that is 4/8). We literally have a 50% chnace to hit scum if we vote outside ourselves. So yes, I do want you to re-evaluate, on the basis of being the best odds we will ever get at literally, a coin flip Im on FF by the way. | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:44 Tictock wrote: LED TOWN TO WHATAs far as I can tell I have more or less led town today, and this is basically what me you and Rsoul all agreed last night. So I am mafia? I guess I really like this sand. THERE IS NO CONSOLIDATION YOU ARE VERY INTROVERTED THINKER => SELFISH AND SELF-ABSORBED THIS IS FACT, NOT CRITICISM | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:46 Tictock wrote: I NOMINATE THIS FOR "FUNNIEST COMMENT AWARD 2018"Like come on Mocsta, we are wrong on Koshi. Fine GG. We flip him as scum then we can talk about it tonight. You said you were ready to throw in the towel earlier today and call it a draw. I suggested this last night as well. Mafia thought they had this in the bag. They should have listened and killed me when I asked. *shrug* | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:44 darthfoley wrote: yeah, i dont know.so who's your revised mafia team? given up at this point. i have potential problems with everyone left alive, and dunno if that makes them scummy or not. based on lack on what appears to be mafia KP roles, i stick with disformation + koshi as both lying. with there were no modkills, and mafia shot an unknown vet. it just pushes the game out WAY too long. So Scum1 = Koshi Scum 2 = disformation Scum3 = darthfoley Scum4 = FF or Palmar. sticking with FF for this cycle. As for fence-sitters Palmar keeps floating in/out for me, so I could replace with fecalfeast as I can see him fadign away if being constantly pressured as town. I really think moosy/rayn discussed 12hrs ago was town and town. So that leaves coag and tictock seal + still trying to solve the game. Thats it folks ##Unvote ##Vote: koshi | ||
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On March 28 2018 07:51 Tictock wrote: yeah i do agree. I thought in context that was a good post as well.Lol, yea FF is prob just town here. Or is scum and knows he is about to win. Only way he could make a joke right now. This was also a good post though... So prob town. but thinking about it now, its probably more a curiosity question either alignment could make if intrigued how you can even form an opinion of coag lol. | ||
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stop tryharding game could be almost over. | ||
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raynpelikoneet - 3-shot Jailkeeper sicklucker - Backup Jailkeeper disformation - Veteran damn rayn, i wanted to lynch him so bad until that dialogue with moosy sigh, that was nice by him. | ||
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ahhh man, just got to cop this one on the chin. i really should have stopped posting day2 onwards was lost, and it didnt help get me back on track. sigh. | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:12 Calix wrote: AgreedA lot of the mod-kills had decent odds of being mislynched, I think. Obviously the game wouldn't have been such a mafia-stomp without them but I don't think it would have suddenly made town get its act together. but I think disfo & palmar would have been lynched. still a lost game as you say, which is all that matters in the end. thanks for hosting calix & skynx and thanks for awesome vote tracking, especially EoD1 | ||
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On March 26 2018 07:16 Mocsta wrote: rsoultin, this is my only saving grace!! hahahrsoultin, i hate to muddy waters, but i dont understand the rayn hard town read either - for the drunken posting. if anything thats a scum indicator (i.e. getting mad that town are unfoiling the mafia plans).. at least it reminded me of when i angry posted, last. all i mean is, i would consider rayn a lynch option for the final slot. | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:14 MoosyDoosy wrote: this is trueOh well. On a tangent darthfoley just because you don't call people a gay gypsy fuck doesn't mean you're an angel and exempt from being toxic. That's like saying you're going to heaven because you didn't kill someone lmao. The main problem I have with interacting with you and reading your interactions is how every post you make is either slightly derogatory or slightly sarcastic. You don't need to call someone a dipshit to make them feel like shit and you're that exact type of person darthfoley is very passive aggressive, and says everything but the actual word. you know the intent though so its the same. | ||
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Outcome aside, it shows to me that under duress I have barely changed at all in so many years. There are lots of things I could have done better this game; however, the most disappointing aspect of my play, personally, was the weakness of reads; leading to being called scummy. I do get it, and its on me to improve this, not others. I play mafia because I enjoy working with teams to solve a larger problem at hand. When half the game is not online when I am, or not giving me active feedback; my default coping mechanism is to inject more. Something I need to erradicate in both mafia and real-life. I actually thought I had got there, which is why I want to verify through a few games this year. The truth doth hurt I dont really have feedback for anyone, given how poor my game was. I think my strongest phase was the first 30hrs, which probably aligns with town in general given disformation was a lead wagon. After that vet claim, the entire thread destabilised and never really recovered. | ||
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On March 28 2018 11:18 darthfoley wrote: The irony being that in many ways this was a 13 player game with an extra mafia!I think I prefer 13 player games. 20 players just felt like way too much happening all at once tbh. It's a fun change up though 4-5 players modkilled, and then a few heavy trollers and lurkers. You can't take away from mafia that they stoked the flames really good. So many town in this game were just slitting each others throats and fueling their own ego. | ||
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On March 28 2018 10:27 Tictock wrote: This is as much a blessing and curse as me being loose and fluid.Mocsta, I think you played very well this game. You were super easy to townread D1 I thought, like I hard defended you from HF I was so convinced you were Town. It was after your claim that I started tinfoiling you being mafia fake claiming for glory. I honestly wanted to hold that back until I could just check you, but we got slammed into LyLo and I couldn't hold back. I have a bad habit of doing this type of tinfoil, but it usually keeps me invested and involved. You honestly played the last phase better than me. You explored more alternative worlds and kept trying to sus things out. I was so obstinate and locked in due to thinking Dis was confirmed town to me and based so much out of that. Game was weird and kinda stupid after all the mod-deaths. Me getting locked in the wrong direction that last day sealed the deal. Honestly though Town did a pretty good job trying to pull this one off despite the odds. If there is anything to be sad about it was that so many players dropped out, forgot to vote, forced themselves to be mod-killed. 20 player game sounded fun for the lols, but whats the point when this sorta shit happens. On paper, we should have balanced each others weaknesses and found scum. Unfortunately, our trust was based more on PoE than actual (e..g ya tinfoil above) so this never came to fruition. That is a shame. | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I hope as a fact thats not true; so its a shame you felt that way.Mocsta, i really felt like this game you called everyone who disagreed with you either bad or scum and refused to contribute with them until i said that on the last day (and still you didn't listen to me :p). I think day3 is a different story as its LYLO, and so many qusetion marks in general. Im always willing to listen to what people say; but, my interpretation of what they are saying is heavily influenced by what I perceive their intention. This is a messy way of saying I don't treat all facts the same way! Its very hard to emulate this, and its certainly something I don't do as scum because it does put so much heat on you. Like you + palmar ebbed in/out of being scummy to me all game; so kudos for changing post strat to suit. | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its a subjective & I dont think we are talking about the same scenario whatsoever.Also Mocsta, this post is very wrong. If i am completely honest here, while marvellosity is/was one of the best town players the only reason he is so good is because he cannot play as mafia. I have almost zero respect for people who can only play as one alignment, or well.. are only good as town because people naturally believe them as they are basically confirmed town, and for example Holyflare is on a completely different level because he can actually play as mafia and for that reason has to ACTUALLY work on convincing people as town when not confirmed. And still manages to lead. People might be predisposed to be cautious of HF; but there is still brand reputation which is what i was commenting about. Leading a large game town without brand reputation is a different skill set then being generally proficient at mafia - one that is more applicable to working with people in real life. HF is no doubt a great mafia player; both effective and influential. However, if his real job was to influence people; the tactics in mafia I dont believe are effective. At least not in my professional experience. At least the aspect of peoples motives is similar between reality and mafia | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:28 rsoultin wrote: also ftr if i'd blocked the kp on me rather than tt, i would have retracted the koshi 100% scumread and just gone ham on palmar >> mostly cause not shiny could equal blue and rb is such a dumb claim buuuut shoulda woulda coulda that's easy to claim. the ham on palmar bit definitely woulda happened though i'm clearly shite at crumbs. koshi got it i think <3 everyone else didn't?u crumbed? dayam. i wasnt going to look through 19 page filter for it! hahah | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:36 rsoultin wrote: All good. I think everyone had someone they was not willing to budge on.-flops on- I really, really like the n2 town circle we had going though. You, tt, and df helped me tons by being such easy townreads. And leading me to disfo. You guys had every right to want to quit but hung in there. I'm the only one who knew we had a chance but couldn't really say it lol >< Sorry for steering people wrong on the raynman >> Vivax = Kelsier rsoultin = Rayn TT = Disfo and so, on. Tough game and # of blues was lol. Sure this was a classic ;P ? | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Good for you.I don't think it's subjective. I also don't think a mafia game has much to do with "job to influence people". | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:39 rsoultin wrote: Lol. i saw the asterix but it did not register!! thats funny.Lol >< I asterixed his name? Plus I said I'd lied about townreading him? I guess it was too subtle? Or I just assumed people would get into my head and connect the dots between 'why would she lie about a read', oh 'she's jk it was to get the jk off on scum' heh as for the palmar thing, i assumed you did it as a mindgame so they wouldnt shoot you. tbh, i stopped looking at things at any level of depth after N1. its disgusting i had a 15page filter. really should have stuck to the restrictions and discussed more formulated ideas. | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:43 rsoultin wrote: yeah, its hard to understand what would you do differently in a similar circumstance because unfortunately for town, the mafia werent hidden in the lurker pool (coag aside).only after his drunk post @.@ which you were right on, incidentally and TT makes a ton of sense. i can't blame him for thinking that there can't be a mafia vet when he gets vet returned as a role just like i can't blame people in general for wanting to lynch into blues with so many blue claims. the balance wasn't what we're used to seeing Day1, 2 & 3. there was enough info to lynch palmar, disfo and potentially rayn. i think in general though that active delurking is a pro-scum thing but seems to be very common. i spose it makes sense in the time poor conditions most of us are in these days. if i play mafia again, i will need to adjust heuristics cos some things just flat out are not valid as a scum or town association. like, i leaned moosy was town for majority of game; but fuck me... its kinda appalling you could think someone is town for that. this is a long way of advocating policy lynches lol | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is pointless.Well, do you think there is a job where your boss comes weekly and says either "now you need to offer these people the best deal possible", or alternatively "now you need to lie to these people and look like you're selling good shit but give them dog poo instead and also you need to make it look like it wasn't you". And you never know what's it gonna be next week. Some of us have swallowed the red pill in real life, and others haven't. Every day is about influencing people. As it works in mafia, being in the same team with people doesnt mean you get what or need by default. & if you were seeking an answer to that question, there are plenty of jobs like that. im in the professional sector: major projects and engineering & relatively senior. Sure, at the bitch level, its do what you are told. But like spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility ! P.S. i have never been lynched or mislynched in real life | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you say so Influencing people in real life is far easier than in mafia because you only have to play "one alignment", whatever that is. | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:48 rsoultin wrote: Lol. hey, you did something absolutely right n2 to keep the game going, so well done!trying to figure out how to crumb well enough that people can find them but not so overtly that you give mafia a ton of information before you flip is hard @.@ i'm not a good blue player at least this time i didn't claim d2 thinking missing kp meant i'd jk'd scum without pausing to think about the other scenarios, and then my lovely friend who always scumreads me (ExO) who was an alignment cop, outs to say i'm godfather because his town result was colored green and not blue. i saw it coming (not the last bit, just the lead up to the role reveal) and was like, no, no, they have a framer stop ;o; now two blues will have claimed for nothing. but it was even sillier lol >< incidentally palmar and sl were scum there and won that game too lol >< dont beat yaself up.. hey.. im the guy that genuinely thought mafia could only be strongman or backup and outed myself. i never recovered from that - at least thats my excuse this game I was hoping our first town-town game would have resulted in at least one successful lynch  | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:57 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, you too. I doubt I will play again any time soon though. lol it might have...this game was weird in many ways @.@ bad reads don't help \o/ you're super fun to play with though so I hope you keep playing i also really enjoy playing with df? don't want to get that convo started again but yeah, just putting that out there then again joni is a good friend and i've never minded ksc so maybe i'm just jaded lol Mafia is *such* a timesink. Im amazed that people can separate themselves from the obsesssion of the puzzle - i certainly struggle to do it. | ||
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On March 28 2018 15:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thats not why i am stopping; but thanks for the kind words regardless.Don't get me wrong Mocsta, i have always enjoyed playing with you because you're actually playing the game and trying regardless of your affiliation. Its simply that its a timesink. Like 2-8hrs a day reading and thinking stacks up over a week. | ||
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On March 28 2018 16:05 rsoultin wrote: I dunno if something changed after I left, or my memory fails me.I don't know that I'd be as superlative, but you're still one of the best even with less time, which is very impressive And he might be right in the sense that of the best town players you probably have the best scum game heh.I 100% agree on marv, though. Being almost 100% readable as town because either your scum game is bad or you just refuse to play as scum knocks you out of the running imo. It's a lot easier to play as 'confirmed'. I was of the impression people feared marv scum game?? I thought he had a high winning record as either alignment?? My recollectiion was ppl sheeping because they agreed with his logic vs being confirmed. Then again, my experience with him was say 4 to 5 years ago. meh perhaps his downfall was after I had a flawless victory against him I still remember that themed game like it was yesterday - sort of l0l | ||
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On March 28 2018 16:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: people arent black and white and on style fits allIt is easy to agree with someone's logic when they don't show the same logic as mafia (when they know they are wrong and don't do the same assesments they would as town just because they can't). When let's say HF or even me are perfectly logical in a game that doesn't mean we are believed just because there is the emotional factor in these games as well where you go "but what if...", if you discount that factor (where someone cannot actually make those kind of posts as mafia -- aka is always town there), it is so much more easier to sheep them. | ||
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On March 28 2018 21:04 Holyflare wrote: Still salty didn't get healed. Do you think you would have dropped ya read on me? | ||
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On March 28 2018 21:43 Holyflare wrote: Yeah, absolutely would have changed reads on both you and tt. Would have pushed for palmar day 2. Yeah. Such a different outcome I was set on a scum between you and palmar. Ohh well | ||
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