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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On March 21 2018 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote: Hot take moose is actually town Who is this moose you speak of, i am fecalfeast 2.0. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 01:20 Conversion wrote: What confuses me about n00bking is why he refuses to even briefly acknowledge that I want to lynch him. Why would any town just flat out refuse to discuss with the one person calling them scum, if even just to generate the reasons behind it? He's clearly active enough in the thread to nitpick certain posts, so I'm curious as to see if he's going to explain why he's not engaging me Engaging you about what? To "generate the reasons behind" your vote against me? If your vote is earnest, then generating the reasons behind it is your job, not mine. lol Assuming your vote wasn't earnest, then your tactic is one I've employed many times, and the town was better-served by me letting it play out, instead of immediately demonstrating how there was no reason to vote against me, and shutting down what you were trying to do. If you *were* using that tactic, then I was just as interested to see who might follow along as you were. If you weren't, then I guess you were only wasting time, but oh well. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 02:29 rsoultin wrote: There's a bit of tinfoil with ykl that perhaps scummates might be pinging him because they know he's scum and that's why the reasons are so flimsy, but I really have no reason to read him anything. There will rarely be much reason to read anyone as anything, when we're halfway through the first phase of the game. I didn't say ykl was a good place for votes because I found especially compelling reasons to find him scum. He's a good place for votes because, by his own admission, he hasn't played mafia-by-forum before. That means that if he's scum, he's probably more likely than average to crack under pressure, and give himself away somehow. Lurkers and inexperienced players are always good places to apply pressure, and see what kind of reactions you get. Was rather disappointed to see you try and shield him. And HF's conduct was even worse (what else is new?) as he even went so far as to intervene in my questioning of the player, and answer for him. Answering for other players during a line of questioning is usually bad, but it's especially bad if the player being questioned is inexperienced. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 21 2018 07:35 Palmar wrote: Explain to me why the two people voting ksc are mafia I don't even know who is voting kelsier. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote: So... im in an odd predicament (1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything (2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought. I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics: Slam Moosy Ex0/KSC, Koshi/Disfo/n00bking, DF Rest is probably side distractions. My current (albeit loose) thoughts are: Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy) Below null pile (n00bking) Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only. Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said. Slam I would still need to meta-dive. DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on. tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything. moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team. Apologies to leave it like this. As if I'm null while you simultaneously scum read noobking. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
Only time shall tell. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 03:26 darthfoley wrote: Like why does this matter? Idk and you don't either. Step 1) I notice that Alakaslam doesn't feel quite the same to me as in the previous game. It seems like his posts are an attempt to artificially recreate his play from the previous game, instead of an authentic repeat of his play from the previous game. Step 2) rsoul then makes almost the exact same observation. Step 3) I ask rsoul if she can elaborate on the difference between his play in the two games, so that I can tell if there's any sort of real substantiation that I can investigate, or if she's stuck in the same boat I am (with nothing better to explain the difference than "feelz.") Unfortunately it sounded like she's stuck in the same boat I am. Making me hesitant to join her effort to get votes on Alakaslam is the fact that in her first lengthy post of the thread, her read on Alakaslam was virtually the ONLY thing that lined up with my own thoughts. Whereas, in the previous game (where I know she was town) her thoughts aligned with what Town me would have been thinking on nearly every non-Holyflare-related subject, the entire game. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 04:03 rsoultin wrote: Problem is, I don't really expect people to get my Slam read. I just think that it's probably right. Okay...soo....if people aren't going to get your slam read, then what keeps your vote on him from being wasted? Let's say we did get additional votes on Alakaslam. Is his reaction to the added pressure likely to help you further a read on him? Or give you anything you CAN use to convince others? Or would he just post more youtube videos, regardless of alignment, and everyone shrugs and says they can't get a read on him because he's not doing anything? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
indulge with that Ni insight. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=n00bKing What is your position on top 2 or 3 scum candidates. + Show Spoiler [NK] + #144 - Setup speculation #159 - Setup speculation #188 - Vivax -> Moosy clarification: Read unknown #276 - tictock -> ExO_ clarification: Read unknown #278 - Interesting Slam comment (indicative of NK/Slam team). DF comment. Vote Disfo. ykl suggestive pressure. No true position taken (as liking Koshi vote can be similar to liking ykl pressure) #280 - Critiquing grammer #337 - Confirms that conversion is being ignored. Intentionally dodging ykl (of relevance, as later NK states ykl is good target for pressure. This should then present a fantastic opportunity to counter-pressure) #339 - Does not take position on mcosta or tictock. Just states that mocsta logic is poor. #340 - curious about slam. Odd phrasing. Trying to draw out information (one of the first posts from NK trying to do this) - the question is for what purpose. #341 - Indicates agreement abotu Ex0 not reading the thread (or likely to be town) #343 - Arguing actions in theory, with no comment on players at hand. Trys to sway HF into a disagreement with tictock #344 - Comprehension question #361 - Is arguing logic, without indicating a lean towards any player in question #591 - Takes position that DF is leaning town #592 - Filler #595 - Debate logic. States Exo actions are indicative of town play; but at no points declare Ex0 town #603 - Requests conversion to build a case against him #604 - Wants to target lurkers and inexpereinced players to divulge motive. LOL. now that I have filter dived scrap that request ##Vote: n00bking
NK is playing filler this cycle, while chastising other players for being illogical. Classic scum maintaining activity by shitting on others to avoid posting real content. P.S.NK known for wordplay.. pay attention to end of day posts with moosy/prplhz last game. If NK flips scum, slam is almost certainly scum | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote: Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 21 2018 08:34 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps its the ply of your toilet paper, but you havent tickled me yet in the way a town HF normally tickles me.As if I'm null while you simultaneously scum read noobking. I realise I don't know how a scum!HF tickles, but I have certainly seen the town tickle across the games this year. Until I see a bit more of that magic around the game, you are still in my null pile. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 21 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote: Perhaps its the ply of your toilet paper, but you havent tickled me yet in the way a town HF normally tickles me. I realise I don't know how a scum!HF tickles, but I have certainly seen the town tickle across the games this year. Until I see a bit more of that magic around the game, you are still in my null pile. Funny you mention it now. I'm using it and am thoroughly disappointed. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote: Know this. Im vig, and if you arent lynched Day1.Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1. You still wont be around Day2. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
I still think he's just mafia though. The last big post to me is re-stating exo nothingness, big post here is talking about mechanics. Don't know who he scum reads (apparently slam now (that "I saw it and then rsoultin did" post looks really unlikely)) because he never states it. Whole lot of semantics really  | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 07:33 Conversion wrote: Meh. I keep rereading n00bking's filter and I don't see town or NAI. I see scum. His entrance on how many mafia => strategy changing was a horrible post. How is that NAI? Why would a town anyone care about how many mafia there are? ONLY a town anyone wants players to find out how many mafia there are. lol Obviously my early scum game would mimic my early town game, but I would NOT go so far as to actually try and generate a discussion of how many mafia are in the game, if it seems like the host hasn't said, and it seems like other people aren't bringing it up. If I were scum, I would prefer that the topic is never, EVER raised. The only scum agenda there could be behind the post I made is "try to look town, by damaging the scum agenda." But it's TOO damaging to the scum agenda, for how much town cred is bought by it. Net-negative, for any scum player to make that post. Only makes sense for town. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 21 2018 09:00 Holyflare wrote: LOL. someone is using sandpaper near me. dunno why since Im in an office.Funny you mention it now. I'm using it and am thoroughly disappointed. but... it made me think of you LOL. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 07:59 Mocsta wrote: This monologue is pointless - as both of you are debating YOUR values on how to play the game. Not what Darthfoley is actually doing with the roleplay. What is that even supposed to mean? He's not doing anything with the roleplay. Roleplay doesn't DO anything. The discussion is of whether the use of roleplay is scum-indicative or town-indicative. Kelsier thought scum would be more likely to "hide" by making a persona. I asked how the persona is supposed to help him hide, when I think the opposite is actually true, and that it draws attention. And when I say that it's something I've seen from Town but not from Scum, that has nothing to do with my "values on how to play the game." It's just real-world, lived experience. | ||
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