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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 00:21 GMT
#621
On March 21 2018 08:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 07:35 Palmar wrote:
On March 21 2018 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
Thanks captain obvious.

Explain to me why the two people voting ksc are mafia

I don't even know who is voting kelsier.

Exo and darthfoley.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 00:33 GMT
#622
On March 21 2018 08:55 Mocsta wrote:
NK is playing filler this cycle, while chastising other players for being illogical.

I don't chastize other players for being illogical. I point out when they are being illogical, which allows other players to judge whether they should be scumread for it. And if they're town, then by pointing out when they are being illogical, it affords them the opportunity to correct it.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 00:34 GMT
#623
On March 21 2018 09:01 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote:
On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2?

Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1.
Know this. Im vig, and if you arent lynched Day1.
You still wont be around Day2.

lol, right, right. You're the Vigilante, and the scum do not have a roleblocker. Since you've already informed us that the scum don't have a roleblocker, could you please go ahead and tell us which roles they DO have? Would it be safe to assume they have...a Vigilante?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 00:36 GMT
#624
On March 21 2018 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
Also post game when I have some time at a computer I am going to be a sad person and systematically dismantle noobking's "logic" posts if he is town because they are so deeply flawed.

You will fail.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 00:40 GMT
#625
On March 21 2018 09:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Noobking who is scum and who you vote. Simple words

No one knows who is scum except for the scum.

I have my vote on disformation. It's a good place for a vote. Another good place for a vote is ykl. This has not changed. I would like to see rsoul's answer to my question, before trying to determine whether Alakaslam is a good place for a vote. I could also get behind a PL of Holyflare or Rels, in this and every subsequent game I will ever play here.

I do not think the 3 votes against Exo are well-reasoned.
I do not think the 2 votes against Kelsier are well-reasoned.
I do not think the 6 votes against MoosyDoosy are legal.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 21 2018 00:42 GMT
#626
On March 21 2018 09:34 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 09:01 Mocsta wrote:
On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote:
On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2?

Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1.
Know this. Im vig, and if you arent lynched Day1.
You still wont be around Day2.

lol, right, right. You're the Vigilante, and the scum do not have a roleblocker. Since you've already informed us that the scum don't have a roleblocker, could you please go ahead and tell us which roles they DO have? Would it be safe to assume they have...a Vigilante?
Indeed, as we are all aware they have a very special vigilante.
But how about instead of inferring; you put the cock on the block and state my alignment.

FYI in general:
On March 15 2018 21:25 Calix wrote:
Game Mechanics

- Order of Operations: Mafia roleblocks -> town roleblocks -> heals -> mafia/ vigilante kills -> investigations -> other


On March 15 2018 21:25 Calix wrote:
Mafia-exclusive Role PMs

Backup [role]:

When a specific PR of any alignment dies, you take on their role.

This ability is passive and cannot be roleblocked.

If that role had limited abilities that were spent, you are not refunded these abilities.

If you are role-copped after you have taken on a role, you will appear as that role.

Strongman:

If you target a player for the night kill, your shot pierces through all protection.

This includes roleblocks, jails, and heals.

Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 21 2018 00:47 GMT
#627
On March 21 2018 09:09 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 07:33 Conversion wrote:
Meh. I keep rereading n00bking's filter and I don't see town or NAI. I see scum.

His entrance on how many mafia => strategy changing was a horrible post. How is that NAI? Why would a town anyone care about how many mafia there are?

ONLY a town anyone wants players to find out how many mafia there are. lol

Obviously my early scum game would mimic my early town game, but I would NOT go so far as to actually try and generate a discussion of how many mafia are in the game, if it seems like the host hasn't said, and it seems like other people aren't bringing it up. If I were scum, I would prefer that the topic is never, EVER raised. The only scum agenda there could be behind the post I made is "try to look town, by damaging the scum agenda." But it's TOO damaging to the scum agenda, for how much town cred is bought by it. Net-negative, for any scum player to make that post. Only makes sense for town.


I mean a scum player can make that post thinking that townies would never make that post so that’s not a good reason?

Also I am town and I literally didn’t give a shit about the number of mafia and I don’t see why other town would as well
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 00:47 GMT
#628
I'm the last person who needs the rules and roles quoted to me. As shown in the order of operations, the mafia roleblock would be enforced before a vigilante shot. And there is exactly no reason for you to assume they do not have a roleblocker. Or a jailkeeper.

So let's all just hope you're not a town vigilante. Because if you are, you've done a very stupid thing.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 00:48 GMT
#629
On March 21 2018 09:47 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 09:09 n00bKing wrote:
On March 21 2018 07:33 Conversion wrote:
Meh. I keep rereading n00bking's filter and I don't see town or NAI. I see scum.

His entrance on how many mafia => strategy changing was a horrible post. How is that NAI? Why would a town anyone care about how many mafia there are?

ONLY a town anyone wants players to find out how many mafia there are. lol

Obviously my early scum game would mimic my early town game, but I would NOT go so far as to actually try and generate a discussion of how many mafia are in the game, if it seems like the host hasn't said, and it seems like other people aren't bringing it up. If I were scum, I would prefer that the topic is never, EVER raised. The only scum agenda there could be behind the post I made is "try to look town, by damaging the scum agenda." But it's TOO damaging to the scum agenda, for how much town cred is bought by it. Net-negative, for any scum player to make that post. Only makes sense for town.


I mean a scum player can make that post thinking that townies would never make that post so that’s not a good reason?

Also I am town and I literally didn’t give a shit about the number of mafia and I don’t see why other town would as well

Well, you'd understand if you were better at the game, I guess.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 21 2018 00:53 GMT
#630
funny you mention skill because if you’re town you’re the one getting scum read, not me

but you’re scum and it’s really cute that you try to quantify skill at a forum mafia game as literally no one thinks you’re good LOL
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 21 2018 01:04 GMT
#631
anyways that a nice, hearty laugh moment. I’m going to say n00bking the great mafia player is confidently my best lynch and I will go do other things now

gl hf
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 21 2018 01:06 GMT
#632
On March 21 2018 09:47 n00bKing wrote:
I'm the last person who needs the rules and roles quoted to me. As shown in the order of operations, the mafia roleblock would be enforced before a vigilante shot. And there is exactly no reason for you to assume they do not have a roleblocker. Or a jailkeeper.

So let's all just hope you're not a town vigilante. Because if you are, you've done a very stupid thing.
Why aren't you assuming im mafia.

You dont like my tictock posts.
I am calling you mafia.
You have caught me with TMI.

Vote me .
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 21 2018 01:06 GMT
#633
On March 21 2018 09:11 Holyflare wrote:
Are you an AI programmed to only talk in probabilities or what?


Indeed. I'm sick of hearing about what ONLY town does or what ONLY mafia does based on arbitrary "optimal" decision making according to nk
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 01:13 GMT
#634
On March 21 2018 09:53 Conversion wrote:
funny you mention skill because if you’re town you’re the one getting scum read, not me

but you’re scum and it’s really cute that you try to quantify skill at a forum mafia game as literally no one thinks you’re good LOL

lol, sure buddy. I'm not being scumread by a significant number of players. I'm not in the Noose right now, the number of votes on me are fewer than will be had by the eventual lynch, and there's a lot of time left in the Phase.

If the scum team isn't terrified of me yet, they WILL be. In all the years I've played this game, and in all the dozens of times I've played this game, I have still never ONCE been end-gamed as Town. If I'm Town, and the scum won, then I HAD to have been dead. The scum team MUST eliminate me themselves, or get the town to do it for them, because if I'm left alive, the mafia win percentage falls to ZERO.

As another player once put it, the only person who figures out the scum roster faster than I do, is the narrator.

It has also been more than four YEARS since any town team I was on accidentally mislynched or vig-shot me, and then managed to win without my help. It's never happened here. Town won when the scum team failed to kill me, and town won after the scum team night-killed me, but the one time I was mislynched, is my only Town loss here. (I voted against only two players in that game, and both were scum, but even after I was mislynched, Town didn't follow my votes quickly enough to win the game without me.)

If there are any players in this game more experienced than I am, there aren't many. And I expect there are none who could match my winning percentage.

But keep on running your mouth.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 01:16 GMT
#635
On March 21 2018 10:06 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 09:47 n00bKing wrote:
I'm the last person who needs the rules and roles quoted to me. As shown in the order of operations, the mafia roleblock would be enforced before a vigilante shot. And there is exactly no reason for you to assume they do not have a roleblocker. Or a jailkeeper.

So let's all just hope you're not a town vigilante. Because if you are, you've done a very stupid thing.
Why aren't you assuming im mafia.

Why should I assume you're mafia?
On March 21 2018 10:06 Mocsta wrote:
You dont like my tictock posts.
I am calling you mafia.
You have caught me with TMI.

Vote me .

No thanks.

Me not liking your tictock posts doesn't preclude you from being town. You being wrong about my allegiance doesn't preclude you from being town. You telling us the mafia doesn't have a roleblocker doesn't look like "TMI" it just looks like ignorance. A literal "scum claim" like that is rare enough to be disregarded as "too scummy to be scum."

Town can be ignorant. You can be ignorant. You can be town.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 21 2018 01:17 GMT
#636
On March 21 2018 10:13 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 09:53 Conversion wrote:
funny you mention skill because if you’re town you’re the one getting scum read, not me

but you’re scum and it’s really cute that you try to quantify skill at a forum mafia game as literally no one thinks you’re good LOL

lol, sure buddy. I'm not being scumread by a significant number of players. I'm not in the Noose right now, the number of votes on me are fewer than will be had by the eventual lynch, and there's a lot of time left in the Phase.

If the scum team isn't terrified of me yet, they WILL be. In all the years I've played this game, and in all the dozens of times I've played this game, I have still never ONCE been end-gamed as Town. If I'm Town, and the scum won, then I HAD to have been dead. The scum team MUST eliminate me themselves, or get the town to do it for them, because if I'm left alive, the mafia win percentage falls to ZERO.

As another player once put it, the only person who figures out the scum roster faster than I do, is the narrator.

It has also been more than four YEARS since any town team I was on accidentally mislynched or vig-shot me, and then managed to win without my help. It's never happened here. Town won when the scum team failed to kill me, and town won after the scum team night-killed me, but the one time I was mislynched, is my only Town loss here. (I voted against only two players in that game, and both were scum, but even after I was mislynched, Town didn't follow my votes quickly enough to win the game without me.)

If there are any players in this game more experienced than I am, there aren't many. And I expect there are none who could match my winning percentage.

But keep on running your mouth.


Wow dude, you're really good. People like you are what's going to make #TLMafiaGreatAgain. After all, there is WAY too much dick measuring and toxicity going on around here.


watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 21 2018 01:19 GMT
#637
I do want to shout n00bking out for him revealing the dirty nature of TLMafia meta. With him leading us to victory by taking no stances on anything, he will surely increase his winrate and therefore the win rate of us all
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 01:21 GMT
#638
On March 21 2018 10:17 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 10:13 n00bKing wrote:
On March 21 2018 09:53 Conversion wrote:
funny you mention skill because if you’re town you’re the one getting scum read, not me

but you’re scum and it’s really cute that you try to quantify skill at a forum mafia game as literally no one thinks you’re good LOL

lol, sure buddy. I'm not being scumread by a significant number of players. I'm not in the Noose right now, the number of votes on me are fewer than will be had by the eventual lynch, and there's a lot of time left in the Phase.

If the scum team isn't terrified of me yet, they WILL be. In all the years I've played this game, and in all the dozens of times I've played this game, I have still never ONCE been end-gamed as Town. If I'm Town, and the scum won, then I HAD to have been dead. The scum team MUST eliminate me themselves, or get the town to do it for them, because if I'm left alive, the mafia win percentage falls to ZERO.

As another player once put it, the only person who figures out the scum roster faster than I do, is the narrator.

It has also been more than four YEARS since any town team I was on accidentally mislynched or vig-shot me, and then managed to win without my help. It's never happened here. Town won when the scum team failed to kill me, and town won after the scum team night-killed me, but the one time I was mislynched, is my only Town loss here. (I voted against only two players in that game, and both were scum, but even after I was mislynched, Town didn't follow my votes quickly enough to win the game without me.)

If there are any players in this game more experienced than I am, there aren't many. And I expect there are none who could match my winning percentage.

But keep on running your mouth.

Wow dude, you're really good. People like you are what's going to make #TLMafiaGreatAgain. After all, there is WAY too much dick measuring and toxicity going on around here.

If you say so. But I never said there was too much dick measuring or toxicity going on around here. That was other people saying that. I said there was too much apathy going on around here. 4 signups out of 13 deciding not to play is pretty pitiful.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 21 2018 01:23 GMT
#639
On March 21 2018 09:53 Conversion wrote:
funny you mention skill because if you’re town you’re the one getting scum read, not me

but you’re scum and it’s really cute that you try to quantify skill at a forum mafia game as literally no one thinks you’re good LOL

I just wanted to point out I really hate this type of post from people.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 21 2018 01:23 GMT
#640
On March 21 2018 09:53 Conversion wrote:
funny you mention skill because if you’re town you’re the one getting scum read, not me

but you’re scum and it’s really cute that you try to quantify skill at a forum mafia game as literally no one thinks you’re good LOL

I just wanted to point out I really hate this type of post from people..
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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