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On March 27 2018 14:40 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 14:35 Mocsta wrote:
like tictock. i dont know what you want from me.
im sorry to say this, but this feels like me taking to vivax all over again.
Appeasing me is exactly the approach I expect scum to take here. I notice Moosy is the only one with the brass to actually try to call me scum at this point, even though it's super weak. I'm not here to tell you how to play Mocsta, I'm just telling you what I think. Also I need to get to bed, so peace. how am i appeasing you
go to bed and re-read this. you are being excessively paranoid.
you and I are the only two people in this game that actually care about the game.
we are both town.
moosy calling you scum IS STUPID. you are town for caring. case closed. ffs
have a good sleep.
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tictock
this is my understanding of the game-state
night2, a bunch of people did not contribute.
after the NKs, suddenly 10 pages move with mainly banter => shitting the thread to lose focus.
contributers to this are koshi, disfo, palmar
like. im really at an impasse here.
if you cant read me, thats my fault and i take ownership of that, and will aim to define my reads better.
Like, this shitting the thread is *REALLY* important.
we dont have to solve the game today, we just need to lynch the highest % scum and keep it going.
then solve the game during the night.
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Because its important.
On March 26 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote:If I Die Before I Wake Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game. *Palmar 98% scum. I lied  The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's. (sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well) Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players. disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum. FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy). DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said. Coag...if this is the game man, kudos?
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On March 22 2018 07:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 06:59 Vivax wrote:
So, in rough order of current confidence the mafia guesses are:
High tier:
HF
KSC
Koshi
Medium tier:
Rsoultin
ExO
Low Tier:
Rayn (maybe he's just being bad but that HF townread really doesn't sit right with me, also he didn't start a shitfight with any of the big names yet)
I'm wrong on 1-2 depending on the final amount of mafia. I salute you town. So... none of your top three are gonna happen (unfortunately about KSC). Where's your head at for the vote? Interesting post to note if Koshi flips red.
kinda scary DF has an unmemorable 15page filter.
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On March 23 2018 06:39 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So apparently, aside from what i just said, darthfoley thinks i am mafia because i haven't called "strong players" mafia. That is super bs reason to call anyone scum because by default there should be no assumption that any of the "strong players" are even mafia over other people.
Has df called any of the "strong players" mafia? No, he just dislikes me and rsoultin for bs reasons. Tell me df, which of the strong players have you called mafia aside from me now (which honestly seems to be pure omgus because the reasoning is just completely invalid). Depends on who you consider "strong players." I've thought HF and Vivax were townie since early on. I've consistently been suspicious on you and rsoultin. I've ignored Koshi until recently but I'm not particularly impressed by his play. I haven't read his filter individually, but he can be considered somewhat scummy. He's been super detached from the game imo Quote above has more significance when looking @ this.
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moosy, tictock isnt scum mate.
too tryhard
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Im not feeling good about DF anymore after reading his filter.
(1) Constantly delurks - i.e. always present and choosing not to contribute
(2) Filter is very introverted - i.e. really focuses on discussion with 1 to 2 people. Usually town leading figures, but is not actually working with them to secure lynches.
(3) Doesnt share info, and then suddenly has a lynch opinion in line with thread sentiment
(4) I always read the rayn/DF convos as odd in that DF seems happy for the shiftfest to continue.
[green]Confirmed town rest of game[green]
Mocsta - trying to solve the game whether right or wrong
raynpelikoneet - Im trusting rsoultin here, and assuming rayn challenging the lynch is his way of trying to solve the game, whether right or wrong
Tictock - again, trying to solve the game, whether right or wrong
Coagulation - town seal
[GREEN]Likely town[green]
MoosyDoosy - Breaks out of trolling at really odd intervals that I dotn think have lined up with pushign scum agenda (based on flips we know of). I alway hold into value that I assume a scum!Moosy would be more aligned with thread sentiment.
Of the rest:
Koshi, darthfoley, disformation, Palmar, fecalfeast
I would say the town is between Palmar/fecalfeast.
Im conflicted with Palmar.
Hes done some things I really like, and some i really dont.
This is different to tictock who has said things i think are stupid, and things i think are not stupid.
Rayn
Personally I would still prefer to lynch Koshi, as I think he has the highest chance to flip scum
However, Im comfortable with darthfoley or disfo.
Thats it
Koshi, darthfoley, disfo are the options.
The thing is, between you/tictock/me, i dont think we can get consensus.
i have no clue who moosy or FF will stick a vote with either.
I will check ya filter now to see why you think koshi is town, but it would have been nice if you could reply to the stuff i posted on him prior.
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On March 27 2018 15:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
idk why we're talking about killing Koshi or disfo or Mocsta this would be the EXACT thing that mafia wants even moreso if we actually have 5 blue roles.
If 5 is impossible and we have 4 blue roles, then we have a better chance of nailing scum in the 3/7 non claim pile for a ~43% chance of nailing mafia instead of 1/3 for a ~33% chance lol, you can be convincing when you want to
no, you're not missing anything if you are treating each person as, equally likely to be scum.
would you vote DF with me?
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On March 27 2018 15:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
fuck me does jailkeeper block a mafia attempting to kill someone too?
like if rsoultin jailed scum and they delivered the shot she blocks it?
JK, is medic and RB against target.
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Dude
im not ya page1 bitch
- Order of Operations: Mafia roleblocks -> town roleblocks -> heals -> mafia/ vigilante kills -> investigations -> othe
Yes, town!RB blocks mafia kill.
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On March 27 2018 16:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fyi rsoultin jailed me N1 and there is no mafia team where i am not delivering KP on N1. I can't tell from N2 but i can surely tell from N1. ??
crumb or deduced?
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thats gone over my head, but doesnt actually matter.
im onboard the DF train is what matters.
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On March 27 2018 16:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean, if Koshi is scum, the only reason why his claim makes sense is if mafia has a win condition that lets them break lylo i.e. extra KP.
Like this claim is objectively ass as fuck even for lazy mafia and if we take the statistically correct(?) play of leaving claimed blues alone I don't see how things are simplifed for us.
Also disfo could be veteran and mafia could have wasted a KP on him during night in order to kill him this night phase. That's a possibility. But if we take the statistically correct blah laasdfb;asldifn I dont follow this.
Koshi claimed after being a wagon
If scum only have 2KP available, then, a mislynch is almost guaranteed to be GG (unless town have another means of KP block we dont know about)
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On March 27 2018 16:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And to be completely honest with you Mocsta all of your campaigning and flipping reads and shit is worrying me so if Mafia kill you it would help me lmao yeah, look i agree with this and do apologise.
im doign it because people like you + ff + coag were not giving any inkling of position.
i realise its impact is the opposite, but very hard for me to stop. your recent posts are putting me much more at ease to relax.
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On March 27 2018 16:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 16:13 Mocsta wrote:On March 27 2018 16:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean, if Koshi is scum, the only reason why his claim makes sense is if mafia has a win condition that lets them break lylo i.e. extra KP.
Like this claim is objectively ass as fuck even for lazy mafia and if we take the statistically correct(?) play of leaving claimed blues alone I don't see how things are simplifed for us.
Also disfo could be veteran and mafia could have wasted a KP on him during night in order to kill him this night phase. That's a possibility. But if we take the statistically correct blah laasdfb;asldifn I dont follow this. Koshi claimed after being a wagon If scum only have 2KP available, then, a mislynch is almost guaranteed to be GG (unless town have another means of KP block we dont know about) I'm just saying there might be a world where Koshi's claim is real or disfo is actually veteran so we should wait and see. Like mafia is going to have to kill a claimed blue here and if they're not going to kill Koshi or disfo they're going to kill you at face value, this is actually a good idea.
I checked OP to see if town!RB blocks KP.
it doesnt. only a role.
so, unless rsoultin blocked a role 2 nights in a row - it appears a town!rb has no value.
i.e. there is no need to shoot koshi.
is it possible, scum shot disfo.. yes.. but the 3KP would indicate a strongman which would piece.
so again, doubt it.
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On March 27 2018 16:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 16:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i'm like fairly certain fecal is mafia here. If Coag's town seal is to be believed and since I'm town, ff is mafia. someone asked earlier why i suddenly scumread fecal and it's literally through PoE. Also the fact that he was willing to lynch rsoul at one point was what struck out to me. I noted it down earlier because I figured Fecal would be town if rsoul flipped scum but the opposite happened fascinating. this i dont recall
will check.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=Fecalfeast&view=all
couldnt see a reference?
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On March 27 2018 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
I checked OP to see if town!RB blocks KP.
it doesnt. only a role.
What is this shit?
sorry dude, i misread in a rush.
i read it as blocks strongman and backup cos of the x-shot
"Roleblock a player at night, preventing them from taking any action.
If you roleblock a role with X-shots, then they are not refunded their shots.
If a conflict arises between a mafia and town roleblocking role, the mafia role takes priority"
if any action includes NK
then yep, not voting koshi is best action. scum have tos hoot him tonight.
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##Unvote
##vOTE: Disformation
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and then could just RB koshi so we lynch him (if he was town)
im gonna go home, and walk away. im rambling way too much
im happy with a vote on disfo or darth
im still OK on koshi, but meh i can merit to leaving it to night resolve
see ya
btw, the FF stuff on rso is very interesting. excellent pick up from moosy too.
On March 21 2018 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
I've skimmed up while I'm supposed tk be working.
Towny
Palmar
Rso - trying to solve game and posting a lot
Hf
Didform
Not towny
Kelsier
Noobking
Moose
Back to work ask me why if you must
On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?
I want to lynch rso On March 24 2018 02:38 disformation wrote:
yes.
why? On March 24 2018 02:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Seems mafia to me
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scum!df is right, unfortunately
its unlikely 4 town players will consolidate, so scum will be able to do last minute vote shenannigans to win.
its why i wanted to force consolidation at start of sigh.
as koshi said, i just wasn't capable 
anyhow, i scrub FF from my list.
my final read of the game based on this continual thread disruption to bump page count is
koshi, disformation, darthfoley, and FF palmar
/final post till flip
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