[M][N] Medic Mafia

On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:

Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia

On March 06 2018 09:56 Damdred wrote:
Do you have any opinions on anyone yet Tubesock?

On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:

What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same.

On March 06 2018 11:26 n00bKing wrote:

I can start telling you that you suck at this game, if that'll help. You'll have to go somewhere else for the rest of that, though.

I dunno, the pre-game discussion sounds to me like people are talking about mass claiming early game and not late game. And now I can't ask them to clarify what they meant, because they either aren't in the game or I can no longer trust them to tell me the truth about it.

But speaking of the pre-game discussion, now that I've read through it again, it occurs to me that I don't even know for sure what the setup for the game IS.

We had this:

and then this:

and then that was it. So was the setup changed? Am I allowed to ask the Narrator to tell us whether the setup changed? Because if the setup isn't as town-favored as it was initially, that will definitely change my strategy.

On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:

Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia."

On March 06 2018 13:59 AMG wrote:


He did not chastise you at all. Why are you so pricky?

On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:

The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE.

So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it.

That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer.

On March 06 2018 15:55 n00bKing wrote:

That's the point! They're two separate statements! So when he says what he said, and you quote it and say "agreed," followed by what you said, that's like someone saying "Tuesday is the best day of the week" and a 2nd person quoting it and responding with "Agreed, today is Tuesday." Those aren't the same thing.

Are they agreeing with the 1st statement and also adding a 2nd statement? Did they misunderstand the 1st statement? Are they misrepresenting the 1st statement to mean something it didn't? (this one is what it looks like to me at first glance). So I made you take a stance on whether you agreed with his original statement. That removes the option for you to later say you "just misunderstood." That would be HUGELY important if HF were to later flip Red, because it would offer tons of context on whether you were trying to protect him.

You've clarified that you agree with the original statement, were also adding a 2nd statement, so I have my answer, and we can move on. Make sense?

On March 06 2018 15:57 rsoultin wrote:

Hi moosy!

Kinda bored with the setup talk.

Ian (Damdred) is giving me scum vibes. Anyone you want to talk about?

On March 06 2018 16:09 rsoultin wrote:

Less tone and more not contributing anything.

And no I don't count suggesting the optimal strategy both hf and I pointed out pre-game as a contribution. <- Also thought someone else made that anyway but yeah. It doesn't substantially change my read. Hf and I were going to push that strat anyway so weaksauce.

On March 06 2018 16:17 n00bKing wrote:

Eh, maybe. A true "scumslip" like that is pretty darn rare though. I'd be more interested in hearing whether anyone with prior history with Tubesock in games thinks its unusual for him to immediately take the claim at face value. Him "making nice" with the first person to claim medic may or may not be alignment-indicative for someone, depending on their personality. Anybody know him?

On March 06 2018 16:22 rsoultin wrote:


I honestly don't remember his play well enough, sadly.

I don't really find it noteworthy though. Especially with four out of thirteen players being medic it's just whatever for someone to say they find a claim believable imo.

On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic.

On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:


Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything.

On March 06 2018 16:36 Holyflare wrote:


A town thought process: hf claimed medic but it means absolutely nothing.

A mafia though process: hf claimed medic shit let's make a post about it since it's a main topic. Oh, he's town so telling the truth based on what he said pre-game. Oh, better throw in a hedge and call him mafia medic though.

Doesn't look right to me.

On March 06 2018 16:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Wait so are you saying you think he's medic or he's not? This post is really confusing

On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?

On March 06 2018 16:49 n00bKing wrote:

Cuz 75% of the medics are town. If someone says they're a medic and you immediately are like "yeah, I believe him" then if you're scum and believe HF to be one of the stronger town players, it could be an attempt to make him feel like he has an ally in you. You also instantly put damdred in your "town pile" for reasons that are...not real strong.

Due to those things, it would be good if someone who knows your history could tell us whether you're someone who tends to randomly take claims at face value (as opposed to someone who is generally skeptical of them) and whether you're someone who tends to try and buddy up to notable Town players when you're Scum.

On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/

I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.

Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.

I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.

On March 06 2018 17:16 n00bKing wrote:

When you were mafia or when he was mafia?

I don't think anything about it yet. People say he makes fake claims as either allegiance.

On March 07 2018 05:50 AMG wrote:


I'm trying to wrap my head around what you took issue with with n00bking prior to this post.

He says talking strategy is fine early, and he does so, but discussing a d2 mass claim is a discussion better had on day 2, I assume, because there are still things to unfold before day 2, I.e the lynch and the night actions.

I don't see hypocracy or inconsistency in what n00bking is saying.

Since this happened and there's been a pretty big pushback on your attempt to cast shade on him, you're now townreading him because he's too nitpicky with finer details, so he's now town.

Is that an accurate summation of your read progression on n00bking?

And now if noobking is town, where to from here, who is your next prime suspect?

On March 06 2018 09:15 Tubesock wrote:
Hola

I like the idea of the coordinating medic shot via vote. A lot more information.

I am not sure about the mass claiming bit D2 though. I think it would be better for town to have the medics be unknown for a couple cycles before they claim.

On March 07 2018 10:33 Holyflare wrote:


why not me when all I've done is claim medic and effectively try and lynch you and afk?

On March 07 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also do you have anything at all Tube? Arguments, defense, possible list of scum...?

On March 07 2018 10:40 AMG wrote:


You're advising a wait and see approach to the only counterwagon to yourself?

Interesting.

What do you like about prplhz filter?

On March 07 2018 11:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hm. Do something productive Tubesock. I want to see AMG's response to my question and will be back in a few to post what I think about this.

On March 07 2018 11:12 AMG wrote:

Hes not squirming like mafia do. That and hes advocating a 'wait and see' approach on the only other wagon to himself.... which is a person who hasn't even posted yet. From that Ill extrapolate that they're either mafia together, or Tubesock isn't mafia. Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there.
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On March 07 2018 11:06 Tubesock wrote:
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?

On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope.

On March 07 2018 12:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Are you even reading the quotes I'm linking...?


I asked that and I asked this:


Because I wanted to see what you would do. And while I agree with what others have said in that your tone has gotten better, you look like you're effectively just throwing shit at the wall trying to see if it will stick instead of actually trying.

Instead of actually searching for Mafia, it looks like you're trying to get on the same page with AMG to cater to him because he offered you a life rope. Instead of reading the quotes I linked you, you're asking me a question which I answer in said quotes where I specifically ask for feedback. Instead of not asking me the same question someone already has (n00bKing) and which I've addressed with someone else (Fecalfeast), you ask me it again.

I doubt you're actually trying and while your posts entering were tonally good, it reads to me atm like you're just trying to get anything to stick.

On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back.

On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback.

On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

On March 07 2018 14:58 n00bKing wrote:

Yeah...I really "zeroed in" on your D2 comment....your post was 3 lines long, and one of the lines was "Hola."

Then one of the lines was what I considered to be simple common sense, and didn't really need stating. Sorry for not quoting the part I thought was common sense and saying "Look at this, this is common sense!" So yeah, I focused on 1 thing, and ignored the rest. I focused on the 1 thing I actually thought needed anything said about it. Think that's pretty normal. And I didn't "throw shade" at HF for trying to shut down the claim conversation. I only said that anyone who has something to say about it should still do so, and not let themselves be silenced by him.

How is it that you've come back and made more posts, without responding to the post where I went from just talking with you, to actually voting against you? I've already expressed that I didn't love the fact that the moment you switched from answering each post that came in, to disappearing for 16 hours or whatever it was, was also the moment I went from just having a conversation with you, to actually putting a vote on you. Could that have just been coincidence? Yeah, maybe. But it doesn't look like it, when upon your return to the thread, you STILL never acknowledge that post in any way, shape, or form. Did that part of Page 12 just magically escape your notice? "splain yourself."

On March 07 2018 15:58 n00bKing wrote:

It wasn't clear to ME that I was going to vote against you, until you made the post that I identified as being the one that actually caused me to place the vote.

lol, guess we'll see, huh?

Meanwhile, you're still not answering the question. Third time: In addition to not wanting to talk to AMG about whether it's scum-indicative for players to be prickly, why did you also not want to talk to him about me, the thing you claimed to be "more interested in" at the time, and a topic where you knew he had a differing opinion? Why would you not want to bounce your thoughts about me off of other players, unless you already knew my allegiance?