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In other news, are we going to vote? Because I like voting, and I'm going to blatantly ignore this thread until Lex starts his night shift  (if I can control myself). I mean, obv we can't force medics to go with the vote, but just having one puts some more info in the thread and I see no reason why not.
(I'm reading your stuff, Viva, and will give it it's due but probably not before night ends.)
Personally I think that a low-poster we're likely to not be able to read well should be the medic vig since their continued participation is unlikely to yield much more information.
Prp seems the best as HF suggested.
I'd also entertain KSC, because I'm torn between it being slightly towny for him to even start playing now, and his entrance being entirely NOT which makes me wonder if he's just trying to dodge a potential shot in the first place without adding anything into the thread to give away scummates.
I'd rather have more time with AMG, DF, noobking, etc.
Not advocating a slam or a damdred shot. Slam should start posting. Damdred looked town from what he posted and I'm comfortable reading him (though I will add that he hasn't posted anything to trigger my 100% confidence read yet, so grain of salt).
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On March 09 2018 01:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 00:41 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 21:07 Holyflare wrote:I also really dislike your post on amg and think it's extreme hypocrisy. You base half of it saying his prplhz read is weak when it's not. Prplhz invented a sentence that never happened. On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. You are for some reason focused on the word people and not the entire sentence about him making excuses. Amg simply says he hasn't made excuses and he only scum reads one person. So in all honesty you've extrapolated one argument of two and tried to push that. Furthermore, you ride this df is town read forever but when he tries to "correct" me that he had in fact made a scum read on prplhz in a post that you yourself commented on (!) you mention nothing. Regarding to "not alluding to why they are mafia" I think this post alludes pretty obviously On March 07 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. Not sure what this is referring to. I feel like AMG has been pretty open so far. Did you know this was a darthfoley scum read? It sure is fleshed out and puts a firm stance on prplhz being mafia. Why have you only picked up amg for this stance on prplhz and not like 5 other players. Especially df who has no concrete scum read on anyone in this entire game. First, I did already say df had the same BAD reason. Second, I take more issue with AMGs add-on that DF did NOT push. Third, of course it's weak. If someone adds on to what you perceive to be a town wagon for something like 'he didn't care to talk to me about our different reads', if you think that person is scum it would absolutely BE AN EXCUSE INVENTED TO JOIN AN EXISTING WAGON. It's not stating he literally made an excuse like an apology. That's retarded to even think.You can't invent a fact from a perception, and there's nothing wrong with that perception besides. Why can't a town prp think amg could be scum inventing an excuse to join a wagon? Yes but where is Amg's excuse to join the prplhz wagon? I also think the plural of it is a lazy read and not a typo.
You can think that. Just as I can think that "he's making excuses to scumread people" can be a general rather than a precise statement. Given that's how English works
The long and short of it is that's a belief that could easily go either way and isn't (in my opinion) worth pushing, though you started the Tube thing so obviously people have different bars for how precise a player's language must be to be considered town.
Prp absolutely could be scum. I just don't see how anything he actually posted MAKES him scum.
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On March 09 2018 03:51 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 00:34 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 20:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 20:49 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 20:38 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 19:57 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:
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I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more.
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So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can.
The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring.
"You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube
"You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp
There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason. Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone? Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him. Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads). Sure, but usually I don't expect two different answers to the same question like the first no longer exists. Perhaps. Could you explain your prp read to me like I'm two? Particularly your issue with his scumreading you while liking others' reasoning on your scumread. On March 07 2018 12:36 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. Well, that's not happening. In case its not painfully obvious, the other person that's caught my interest today is prplhz. His attack on me was shit and I want to hear more out of him before I make my mind up for today. Frankly, Tubesock just doesn't seem to be operating on a coherent wavelength to me. At all. On March 07 2018 13:16 AMG wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. The more I read this post, the less I like it. You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like? If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one? -snorts- Do you honestly think that quoting the things I saw and quoted as a bs scumread is somehow going to magically help me understand your point of view if you're town? What the hell do you even find scummy about that? No I'm just getting damn sick of repeating myself. If you can't follow along with my thought processes on those above posts then.. well I give up ? Im not asking you to repeat yourself. I understand that you say that you think it's scummy for someone to scumread you for jumping on a wagon for a different reason than the one they generally find compelling but would probably be wrong about. I want to understand WHY you think the above is scummy. Because to me his reasoning is obvious. He says that my tubesock push is something he would normally like, and then be wrong on. And then says I'm making up reasons to be on that wagon.. That strikes me as logically unsound and not what I would consider a natural thought process. So I'm asking back at him which is it? Is this something you would normally like, and find my argument logically sound, or am I making up excuses to be on the wagon, and you do not agree with the argument I put forward to be on the wagon. Which is it? Because it can't bloody be both. And why is he going against his better judgement on this case. If this is something he normally likes, but chooses to not like this time.. what's different this time? I also don't like how he generalized my play to say im scumreading 'people', like I was doing it to multiple people, when I had exactly one scum read and one town read in the thread at that point. It's disingenuous.
Ah. I'm going to disregard the last paragraph because I still think that's a pretty ridiculous word choice nitpick when this language is commonly used like that.
It seems you misunderstood his post. I'll let him explain it to you just in case I'm actually the one who misinterpreted it though.
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On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though.
Kelsier. I'm pretty okay with a Kelsier flip the later it gets.
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On March 09 2018 04:33 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though. I actually have the same fear. Idk, vigi'ing him at least takes away an easy lynchbait target away from mafia into the next phase. I would also be down to medic vigi on FecalFeast, but nobody else seems to give a shit about him.
That's likely because of EoD. I expect it to resolve itself eventually.
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On March 09 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though. Kelsier. I'm pretty okay with a Kelsier flip the later it gets.
Though I guess he's still got about an hour before he claims he'll be reading the thread.
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On March 09 2018 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Can I just sneak a pass N1 and that way I can read and give you some good shit.
The alternative is shitposting some bullshit after a quick read, which I will probably realise is bad , contradict myself and then become easy lynch bait.
Or we'll vig you and you don't have to, so there's that It's probably you or prp tongith as it is. I really have no preference at this juncture.
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And that's really only because a town KSC is valuable to me. Prp is just a little too hard for me to read...cause I find your play a bit scummier.
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-yawns- I'm really not sure who scum is.
On the other hand, I'm feeling pretty comfortable with a HF, Viva, Noob town circle.
Throw in Moosy then DF on the next tier (eat your heart out HF)
And probably Damdred's slot for good measure
And I think that's already enough to win us this game if I'm not really being stupid about a townread.
AMG just isn't as high after a reread through his filter. It was a lot less shiny than I felt in the moment. That said, my main issue is explained by apparently not understanding prp's post. At all. So...at least there's more game to get a good read on him from.
I can't really give much advice on slam. I tend to read him through enthusiasm, but I've still been wrong on him using that. He's a really smart guy, though. It's worth the time to make the effort to read his posts and attempt to decipher them rather than just dismiss them.
If KSC chooses to show up and play as town he'll be an easy read. Try to push him for activity, because as I understand it he's more prone to AFKing these days as either alignment. When he plays as town he's an easy townread.
EoD1 is relevant with FF.
Prp is probably dead here. So the only thing I'll say is if for some reason that doesn't happen, please resist the auto lynch. Obviously there's not much that can be done if he doesn't come in and play. But yeah.
The lines separate town/nullish/scummy if unclear, apart from prp which is just an add-on. He actually should be in the nullish pile.
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I'm wondering if it may not be best to just mass claim with a dead RBer? Though I'm not 100% certain that's wise before a scum medic flip.
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On March 09 2018 08:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
Am I the only.one not surprised hf was faking
No, I assumed he was from the start and had my slight townread on him for that. It looked like he was reaction fishing to get reads.
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Yeah, I'm not seeing anything with AMG other than the prp scumread. It's likely a medic dodge/denial of info because I find it unlikely that mafia genuinely thought that prp wasn't the medic vig shot here.
Maybe a small possibility they're gullible and thought they could play around HF the medic targeting DF.
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It does make me wonder a bit if one of the people fairly townread is scum. I would have expected Viva/HF (and yes, I'm a prideful creature: me) to be the most likely targets.
Noob less likely because of Viva.
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But then I also just have a hard time picturing either Viva or HF as scum.
Hey, HF...is DF still your top scumread? Because you effectively prevented his NK if scum believed you...not that I think he was high on the list unless as a possible medic dodge anyway, assuming he's town.
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On March 09 2018 08:04 rsoultin wrote:
I'm wondering if it may not be best to just mass claim with a dead RBer? Though I'm not 100% certain that's wise before a scum medic flip.
Yes, I think this is the best bet.
With roleblocker gone, medics can continue to use their 'saves' as vig shots. Scum could fake-claim one of the medic roles, but that would mean balancing between shooting one or more of the medics and narrowing down possibilites for outing them as the fake claim.
I don't really see a downside (unless I'm missing something big) apart from maybe it being easier to game a medic actually trying to save a target when you know who they are. But especially if they're anyone more likely to be lynched it could bust this game wide open.
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On March 09 2018 08:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 08:16 rsoultin wrote:
But then I also just have a hard time picturing either Viva or HF as scum.
Hey, HF...is DF still your top scumread? Because you effectively prevented his NK if scum believed you...not that I think he was high on the list unless as a possible medic dodge anyway, assuming he's town. If he's town I wasted their medic if he's mafia I wasted their rb
Fair...so I can take that as a yes, then?
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On March 09 2018 08:29 Koshi wrote:
I join game. Mafia dies. Coincidence? I think not.
You're just that good, obviously.
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