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On February 06 2018 05:14 Holyflare wrote: Just got back from work. Saying it now so Tina can't use it as an accusation ;D You're not really home, are you? I demand pics! With timestamps. | ||
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On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote: He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer Lol, dude, you actually had me checking to see if there were a possible serial killer in this game @.@ | ||
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Too blurry...clearly you're trying to hide something! | ||
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On February 06 2018 05:33 mderg wrote: ##vote Holyflare Maybe it will work this game It worked last game. He just was only a scum wannabee  | ||
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-flicks- You're not Conversion. | ||
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On February 06 2018 05:49 Conversion wrote: Aww I have to shoot you already ##Shoot: rsoultin ;o; | ||
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On February 06 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have absolutely zero idea what was the point of that. Lol, I'm amazed you think I have a point | ||
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On February 06 2018 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually did think you have a point since you told me to not get into the middle of the "conversation". Did I? | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote: What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations. So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. @Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: This doesn't make any sense at all. I don't see how it would be more or less "unnatural place to go" as any alignment. I asked you a very simple question (which is btw completely clear and not obscure at all) which to i predicted an "i was just joking" or what you said in case you're not. I find it even funnier that you seem to be calling me mafia because of it, as... well... i was actually right in that you did have some kind of a point, regardless of how strong it was. I don't even care about the point (because i definitely don't agree with it on any level), i care more about the fact that you seem to be dragging the conversation, that yes - was completely pointless, for no real purpose. In short, you're just saying stuff that has no relevance to anyone's alignment, you're jsut making shit up. I honestly don't care if you see it or not. Nor was I in any way dragging on the conversation. You were unable to leave it alone The only real question is whether or not that makes you mafia.Mocsta jumping right on board with it isn't giving me amazing feels, either, after his last follow the thread sentiment while inventing a 'creative' reason scum game. | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote: However. I agree completelt with rayn. Hes just typing it more than i can be bothered. Is it likely him and i are mafia? If not. I would like to see this throigh. As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion. Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote: hi tina Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:38 Mocsta wrote: you know tina Insteas of answering a question with a question You can continue to deflect by answering the question lol Or you could clarify as I asked. That's also a thing. | ||
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What does scum 'light' comment even mean? | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:44 Mocsta wrote: Sure thing. Means you said you were tempted to call rayn scum for reason XYZ Thats a weak phrase association. Hrnce. Light weight. Hence 'light' Lol >< Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town. Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it. | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote: Was thinking nothing about her posts but that actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me Why? | ||
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On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote: Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. | ||
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On February 06 2018 07:18 darthfoley wrote: perhaps that's because he made like two posts about getting up and going back to bed that felt unnatural Ah, okay. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it's a point because after the game which name i forgot where me and marv thought she was mafia and pushed her almost up to a point where she quit she has never done it as town. Just because she knows how i react to people who don't give clear answers (and that game was a game where i thought she never answered me in anything i asked and i called her scum for it). ??? First, I'm pretty sure I have, and if I haven't it's merely coincidental. Although I could see you believing it. It's just...really? You think I'm consciously so scared of you as town wanting to lynch me for not answering a question that I'd never do it again, and that translates to being less scared of the same thing as mafia? | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: As mafia it d0oesn't matter though because it doesn't matter how i react if only other people see it dumb from my end. See, this mistakes reaction to you scumreading me for creating the condition in the first place. And either way it's moot, because I never equated you scumreading me for not answering questions. I equate it generally with my not agreeing with you about something that you think is self-evident. Which I do all the time. And you still seem to see as scummy. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: This has nothing to do with you equating it with you not agreeing with me about something that i think is self-evident and i do not wish to continue this conversation. You're right, it doesn't. But what you're saying is basically that from x game I've never brushed you off because that makes you scumread me, when, if that is what made you scumread me, I didn't know that. I assumed it was the above reason which, as you say, doesn't apply to this game. If I haven't brushed you off since, it's coincidental and not fear of joni scumreads, lol >< That's funny anyway. I don't think I've ever as either alignment in any game given a royal rat's ass if what I've written or how I behaved would get me scumread or not. | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:05 Mocsta wrote: I,ve made up my mind ##bomb: rsoultin ##unvote -squints at- I was just attempting to address your case and wondering if that was confirmation bias vs. scum throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what would stick, when you do this. What on earth in my last few posts changed your mind? lol | ||
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On February 06 2018 09:58 Mocsta wrote: EBWOP Insert for Item 3: B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum. Its clear from Item #1 and 2, that rsoultin wants to broadcast the reasons as "stupid", hence Rayn is targetting scum. lololololol + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote: All, I would appreciate your feedback on points below relating to rsoultin. For context, I was very impressed by town!rsoultin in the game that just finished. She was such a strong town read, that I as scum, did not even consider getting her offside. Through Day1 to Night2, rsoultin consistently demonstrated inclusive scum hunting; logical town hunting; an open-mindedness to alternate views, joyful transparency with her gut feelings, and willingness to put her views out in the open. In short, I think the way she approached that game is a solid town benchmark - and also simple to measure to against. Refer to here if interested. Putting the curiosity towards the SK aside; what I am immediately observing this game once rsoultin was called out is a significant behavioral difference compared to the above. What is shown below is a series of posts that express passive aggression, undertones of anger, a shade of minor appeasing; and positions based on insinuation. #1 Items in blue from a glance can be interpretted as chaff relating to SK. However, when viewed in consideration with items in red further below, I observe passive aggression and insinuation. Note in particular, the comment about lack of dragging on conversation which implies there is relevance to all of this. Yet prior comments in blue indicate that this is not only chaff, but indicative of a joke and not worth pursuing until Day2. This should also be read in conjunction with Item 4, which changes the narrative yet again. Regarding items in red. The comment about Joni being scum for lack of humour is extremely passive aggressive. When coupled with the (in effect) rhetorical statement about open-ended, obscure question; there is no actual effort made to discern the motives of Rayn. Rather this is subtle shit-slinging (read: verging on ad-hominem attack) that is again repeated when discussing me. Further insinuation takes place by attempting to associate me with my prior scum game - citing creative following of thread sentiment ; yet not indicating how I am replicating that this game Again, where is an attempt to discern my motives? This is all characteristic of how scum brush off pressure. None of this lines up with my expectation for a town!rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [ITEM1 QUOTES] + On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote: You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer... -eyes Conversion- On February 06 2018 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: what? :o On February 06 2018 05:46 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- You're not Conversion. On February 06 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have absolutely zero idea what was the point of that. On February 06 2018 05:56 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I'm amazed you think I have a point On February 06 2018 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually did think you have a point since you told me to not get into the middle of the "conversation". On February 06 2018 06:01 rsoultin wrote: Did I? On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote: What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations. On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. @Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange.I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. On February 06 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: This doesn't make any sense at all. I don't see how it would be more or less "unnatural place to go" as any alignment. I asked you a very simple question (which is btw completely clear and not obscure at all) which to i predicted an "i was just joking" or what you said in case you're not. I find it even funnier that you seem to be calling me mafia because of it, as... well... i was actually right in that you did have some kind of a point, regardless of how strong it was. I don't even care about the point (because i definitely don't agree with it on any level), i care more about the fact that you seem to be dragging the conversation, that yes - was completely pointless, for no real purpose. In short, you're just saying stuff that has no relevance to anyone's alignment, you're jsut making shit up. On February 06 2018 06:31 rsoultin wrote: I honestly don't care if you see it or not. Nor was I in any way dragging on the conversation. You were unable to leave it alone The only real question is whether or not that makes you mafia.Mocsta jumping right on board with it isn't giving me amazing feels, either, after his last follow the thread sentiment while inventing a 'creative' reason scum game. #2 Again, in isolation this is chaff to a degree. However, when coupled with Item1, it does become interesting. On one hand (item 1 blue), rsoultin sells the SK discussion as a joke and meaningless. On the other hand (item 2), the SK discussion is now suddenly interesting. The key for me however is insertion of "up until that point" which is indicative of a "reward me for getting people to talk" mindset. The subtle difference I expect from a town!rsoultin is that it would be rather "reward me for getting people to talk - about a purpose (read: why it is scummy)". Again, not present here. + Show Spoiler [Item2 Quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote: As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion. On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote: Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? #3 I have 2 core issues here. A - In item 1, rsoultin insinuates I give her bad feelings = slight scum lean. However, note the comment in green. This is apologetic and appeasing and not-congruent with me being a slight scum lean. B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum. This is further compounded due to the tell being useless - mafia will cling onto someone for stupid reasons; and now she has a publicly justified out to back off her Rayn scum read. This whole passage boils down to: Subtle undermining of Rayn via shit-slinging in addition to giving her a path out. Now, I am not biased: town can throw out heuristics like this to back down from reads - and obviously that is good play. But the difference here is that no where in rsoultin filter is an obvious effort to discern players agenda. This is a Hyundai version of a Mercedes Benz rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [Item3 quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: [...] Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. [...] On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote: hi tina Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote: Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? [.. skip posts that could be genuine language barrier misunderstandings..] On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote: Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town. Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it. Item #4 So predictably, rsoultin has backed down on her Rayn read - and based on nothing directly related to the pressure. However the real meat and potatoes is with mderg. ie. rsoultin comments that the whole conversion/HF banter could indicate a mafia. This is certainly news to me and not consistent at all with what was commented prior in Item 1 + 2. I expect a town!rsoultin to be relentlessly chasing this lead and working with others to illuminate it further. Non of that is apparent. Instead she is happy to rewarded for "stimulating talk" and then call Rayn town. The other interesting item is how she is now shit-slinging on me via inserting that I was "bandwagoning" her.. Overreaction again, no? + Show Spoiler [Item#4 quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:57 rsoultin wrote: Actually got a slight townread on Joni for wanting Damdred's opinion at this point, actually. On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote: Was thinking nothing about her posts but that actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote: Why? On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote: Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote: Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. Also don't really understand your point here? | ||
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On February 06 2018 07:35 mderg wrote: I guess my mind is more simple than that. I see joke post -> I mentally discard it About Mocsta: I can kind of see what he's seeing but I'm already struggling to understand what he's saying So, basically, because you'd never give a moment's thought to a joke post you assume that I would not as well, which defaults to bullshit. Yeah...see, for me to believe that I'd have to think you're someone who expects everyone to think like you, and that's not the impression that I got from you last game. I'm also not sure how you can 'kind of see what he's seeing' while simultaneously not understanding him? | ||
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On February 06 2018 10:10 Conversion wrote: bolded part in particular bothers me a lot since I could only really see 3 "joke" posts (trfel, me, rsoultin), so it's like there was only really one "joke" post but she makes it seem like there were a larger amount that she had to filter through Literally everything in the thread up to that point apart from perhaps Joni's post was a joke post? And I'm not sure how I made it seem like a larger amount to you. This is also pretty blatantly misrepresentative given I was poking at everyone doing the jokes, not just you. It's just the one Joni pinged on and turned into the thing to discuss in the thread @.@ | ||
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On February 06 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote: Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test is astounding. Is this how he plays as Town? Cuz this reminds me exactly of last game ^ This But not so much the wall of text thing. More the, Joni thinks she's scum, let me add my hipster reason to it. Though I could just be extra paranoid after townreading him all last game on clouds and rainbows. So actually not this. I think it's likely he just thinks that way and it's NAI, the walls of text in place of succinct. | ||
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On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote: hf town not lynching mocsta today rsoul prob town df hot and cold conv kinda poop soup lynch koshi Meh. Not really liking this list post. It's defending me without defending me, which is more likely to come from scum, and I like where he's at on df and conv because that's where I'm at, but the default to lynching koshi is just shit-tastic. Have no reason to anything koshi, so why him over poop soup, for instance? | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:27 Mocsta wrote: Bomb is armed and takes effect end of next day, bbygurl. Lesson learnt: Dont fuk wid m3. -snorts- First, doubtful any mechanic like this would even be in the game. Second, if there were and if you were actually town, you using it less than 24 hours into D1 would be the height of hypocrisy. Third, I'll enjoy watching them lynching you if it's real when I flip Lesson learnt: Never nuke a town rsoul, bby Though this does actually make me think you could be town for the reaction fishing -flicks- | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta's reasoning absolutely makes sense, that's probably what i would write being me and not knowing you better. Yeah I understood what you were saying before in the post above, and it's still just wrong -shrugs- As for this...I can't make sense of half his posts. The only one I could is 'only mafia cares about SK', which I can see him believing just fine. It's even generally true. It's all the passive aggressive, not hunting, yada yada can't even remember because it's too twisty for me to make heads or tails of that looks like trying to come up with something clever to plus one your questioning on. Which is kind of moot anyway cause I think he's reaction fishing and just tunneled town, so meh. I'm not through catching up so apologies if you already mentioned this somewhere, but what are your feels on ritoky? | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just doing it because i don't really like rsoultin trying to make the case look like something that it is not. Not saying that's even necessarily scummy, maybe she just genuinely doesn't understand what i am saying (which is kind of my problem and why i have to repeat things). We're saying the same things and you're saying we're not. Do you know how frustrating that is? | ||
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On February 06 2018 12:10 darthfoley wrote: I'll get to it eventually dad. I can take you being mad st me, but not being disappointed in me It's stupid, but I kind of like this post for tone. | ||
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On February 06 2018 12:13 Trfel wrote: In that case I'm really confused as to your thought process. You've said that Mocsta doesn't impress you, but seem to agree with everything he's saying and doing about rsoultin. To me it seems like your suspicions of Mocsta due to his waking up/going to sleep posts should be vastly outweighed by his making the main push in the thread that you are in agreement with. So what is it that makes them so similar; or why are you still so suspicious of Mocsta? Truffle wuffle <3 | ||
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Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you. Rayn and truffle are town. DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum. What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him. | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:33 Holyflare wrote: Even though you're just repeating the same things that I disagreed with. I'm changing my stance to agreement. You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:59 Mocsta wrote: tina if you are planning to ignore my case by shitting on it for "length" then at least have the courtesy of addressing point#2. First off, I'm not shitting on it for length. It's difficult for me to follow in many cases. And I'm not sure what exactly you want me to address in point 2. I've already explained where my head was at. I found it weird enough to prod Conv for reactions but not worth pursuing. You're right that I didn't go Look at me I found an amazing sign that Conv is scum \o/ Because I hadn't. Nor did I ever attempt to sell it as that. Nor was it a look at me I'm so towny generating content \o/. I'm one of the spammiest mafiosos on this site, and you may not know that, but everyone who has played with me a fair amount does. It's simply not something I'd try to sell as any alignment. I'm town. You'll see it or you won't. Or you're scum. I really don't give a fuck. If you're town here (and I think you are given you didn't just sit there on your silly bomb nonsense once I ignored you) you decided I was scum just for poking Conv in the first place on his SK joke and have been looking at everything through the lens of my being scum since. If you're good, you'll get untunneled. If you're not, whatever. | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote: And what use is this post? If you're having trouble then ask me a question? So are you sheeping rayn now because you agree with what you didn't agree with before, or because you think he's town? | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:06 Mocsta wrote: Also my Introverted Intuition is predicting Damdred will be lynched 2 Day1s in a row. Yes, such a long post absence smells ripe of classic scum struggles to post. It's Damdred. Him afking never means anything. Except that maybe he's in the hospital again lol >< | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:13 ritoky wrote: is posting overly verbose chaff this mocsta guy's thing? Why koshi over Conversion, ritoky? | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:28 Mocsta wrote: I actually skimmed through your 2 most recent scum games before i considered making a case. I didnt see similarity to the town game. However, I intentionaly dont give much credence to "meta" as you havent played in a year, and people evolve in general (not just in the game of mafia). Im still finding your tone unfriendly compared to last game and I really doubt this is a thing specifically to do with me. Now, going back to point #2 which is related to this quote: If the bold above states you werent intending to say "im so towny".. what were you trying to accomplish with this? I honestly don't remember lol >< | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote: Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? Ah, yeah, that was in response to your post. I was just saying that Conversion's post was the most interesting of the posts that had been made so far. Which...wasn't saying much. Also my point. While I don't mind trying to clarify for people what I was thinking, I'm getting pretty tired of rehashing what was essentially just a poke at Conversion to see how he'd react -_- Not sure how many times I can explain this. | ||
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On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote: his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? | ||
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On February 06 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote: All, I would appreciate your feedback on points below relating to rsoultin. For context, I was very impressed by town!rsoultin in the game that just finished. She was such a strong town read, that I as scum, did not even consider getting her offside. Through Day1 to Night2, rsoultin consistently demonstrated inclusive scum hunting; logical town hunting; an open-mindedness to alternate views, joyful transparency with her gut feelings, and willingness to put her views out in the open. In short, I think the way she approached that game is a solid town benchmark - and also simple to measure to against. Refer to here if interested. Putting the curiosity towards the SK aside; what I am immediately observing this game once rsoultin was called out is a significant behavioral difference compared to the above. What is shown below is a series of posts that express passive aggression, undertones of anger, a shade of minor appeasing; and positions based on insinuation. #1 Items in blue from a glance can be interpretted as chaff relating to SK. However, when viewed in consideration with items in red further below, I observe passive aggression and insinuation. Note in particular, the comment about lack of dragging on conversation which implies there is relevance to all of this. Yet prior comments in blue indicate that this is not only chaff, but indicative of a joke and not worth pursuing until Day2. This should also be read in conjunction with Item 4, which changes the narrative yet again. Regarding items in red. The comment about Joni being scum for lack of humour is extremely passive aggressive. When coupled with the (in effect) rhetorical statement about open-ended, obscure question; there is no actual effort made to discern the motives of Rayn. Rather this is subtle shit-slinging (read: verging on ad-hominem attack) that is again repeated when discussing me. Further insinuation takes place by attempting to associate me with my prior scum game - citing creative following of thread sentiment ; yet not indicating how I am replicating that this game Again, where is an attempt to discern my motives? This is all characteristic of how scum brush off pressure. None of this lines up with my expectation for a town!rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [ITEM1 QUOTES] + On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote: You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer... -eyes Conversion- On February 06 2018 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: what? :o On February 06 2018 05:46 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- You're not Conversion. On February 06 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have absolutely zero idea what was the point of that. On February 06 2018 05:56 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I'm amazed you think I have a point On February 06 2018 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually did think you have a point since you told me to not get into the middle of the "conversation". On February 06 2018 06:01 rsoultin wrote: Did I? On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote: What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations. On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. @Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange.I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. On February 06 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: This doesn't make any sense at all. I don't see how it would be more or less "unnatural place to go" as any alignment. I asked you a very simple question (which is btw completely clear and not obscure at all) which to i predicted an "i was just joking" or what you said in case you're not. I find it even funnier that you seem to be calling me mafia because of it, as... well... i was actually right in that you did have some kind of a point, regardless of how strong it was. I don't even care about the point (because i definitely don't agree with it on any level), i care more about the fact that you seem to be dragging the conversation, that yes - was completely pointless, for no real purpose. In short, you're just saying stuff that has no relevance to anyone's alignment, you're jsut making shit up. On February 06 2018 06:31 rsoultin wrote: I honestly don't care if you see it or not. Nor was I in any way dragging on the conversation. You were unable to leave it alone The only real question is whether or not that makes you mafia.Mocsta jumping right on board with it isn't giving me amazing feels, either, after his last follow the thread sentiment while inventing a 'creative' reason scum game. #2 Again, in isolation this is chaff to a degree. However, when coupled with Item1, it does become interesting. On one hand (item 1 blue), rsoultin sells the SK discussion as a joke and meaningless. On the other hand (item 2), the SK discussion is now suddenly interesting. The key for me however is insertion of "up until that point" which is indicative of a "reward me for getting people to talk" mindset. The subtle difference I expect from a town!rsoultin is that it would be rather "reward me for getting people to talk - about a purpose (read: why it is scummy)". Again, not present here. + Show Spoiler [Item2 Quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote: As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion. On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote: Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? #3 I have 2 core issues here. A - In item 1, rsoultin insinuates I give her bad feelings = slight scum lean. However, note the comment in green. This is apologetic and appeasing and not-congruent with me being a slight scum lean. B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum. This is further compounded due to the tell being useless - mafia will cling onto someone for stupid reasons; and now she has a publicly justified out to back off her Rayn scum read. This whole passage boils down to: Subtle undermining of Rayn via shit-slinging in addition to giving her a path out. Now, I am not biased: town can throw out heuristics like this to back down from reads - and obviously that is good play. But the difference here is that no where in rsoultin filter is an obvious effort to discern players agenda. This is a Hyundai version of a Mercedes Benz rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [Item3 quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: [...] Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. [...] On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote: hi tina Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote: Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? [.. skip posts that could be genuine language barrier misunderstandings..] On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote: Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town. Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it. Item #4 So predictably, rsoultin has backed down on her Rayn read - and based on nothing directly related to the pressure. However the real meat and potatoes is with mderg. ie. rsoultin comments that the whole conversion/HF banter could indicate a mafia. This is certainly news to me and not consistent at all with what was commented prior in Item 1 + 2. I expect a town!rsoultin to be relentlessly chasing this lead and working with others to illuminate it further. Non of that is apparent. Instead she is happy to rewarded for "stimulating talk" and then call Rayn town. The other interesting item is how she is now shit-slinging on me via inserting that I was "bandwagoning" her.. Overreaction again, no? + Show Spoiler [Item#4 quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:57 rsoultin wrote: Actually got a slight townread on Joni for wanting Damdred's opinion at this point, actually. On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote: Was thinking nothing about her posts but that actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote: Why? On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote: Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote: Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. Oh, while looking for who asked that...point 4 is just entirely wrong, Mocsta. I was saying that I expected Conversion to call HF mafia in his joke, and what caught my attention was that he didn't. This had nothing to do with my reads on either of them. | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote: ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? Hm, guess I misremembered that. So, why is HF town to you? | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote: i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote: so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote: i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. Nailed for...I don't even remember. I'm trying to post more legibly and without emoticons in general, so it's doubtful that sort of meta read would be vaild anymore, anyway. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote: look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read? | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote: this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean. Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point. | ||
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Oh lol >< I do remember you posting that...I guess I just didn't see that as a strong reason to townread someone so it didn't register. To be clear, it's valid enough for D1 or if it happens consistently, but I wouldn't put that much weight on one comment/reaction that lines up. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:23 rsoultin wrote: Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point. On second thought, it probably should be clear that he's just asking you who you want to lynch, isn't it? Since you had me as probably town in your list post. I don't know...if it's that easy to miss I don't know that it says much about truffle's alignment that he missed it. And I like his line of questioning on darth foley and conversion in general. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:29 ritoky wrote: why not? i am a firm believer that 1 moment can make someone irrevocably town or mafia; and that people too often lose sight of those defining moments in favor of the "what have you done for me recently point of view", often to their detriment. as for the out of context bit. to me it reads as "hey this is my read, what's your opinion?" (which i had already given) not "hey lynch this person with me. hop on bruh" like trfel tries to make it seem. it's not the worst case, but it's enough so he doesn't get to sit at the awesome table. I don't disagree with this on principle. I just disagree with one 'mind-meld' equating to it. I've also been burned by my '1 moment irrevocably makes x, x alignment' in the past, on both scum and townreads. We can agree to disagree on it, though. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:35 ritoky wrote: i mean we are talking about why trfel is a 5 and not a 7, so ofc it isn't a huge deal. it just gives me pause because in that moment he seems more interested in winning the argument and making the other guy look dumb than thoroughly evaluate his alignment. Fair, I suppose. | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:15 rsoultin wrote: So, basically, because you'd never give a moment's thought to a joke post you assume that I would not as well, which defaults to bullshit. Yeah...see, for me to believe that I'd have to think you're someone who expects everyone to think like you, and that's not the impression that I got from you last game. I'm also not sure how you can 'kind of see what he's seeing' while simultaneously not understanding him? @mderg | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:45 mderg wrote: You're putting way too much focus on my wording. It was an overblown reaction to an obvious joke post. I see his points on you but I also have a hard time understanding some of his posts. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand. What exactly was 'overblown' about my reaction? So which points do you agree with and which don't you understand, then? | ||
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On February 06 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote: I don't really understand this. You called him potentially mafia for calling you out for asinine reasoning but he does it as town? No, I said he could be town for calling me out for asinine reasons. It's moot now, though. I think he's town. | ||
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On February 06 2018 22:24 Conversion wrote: rsoultin go explain your lynch pool instead of doing whatever you’re doing. I’m in it and you most likely will have people on board— why is your filter just you arguing about minute details and defending yourself? Sort of like that. I just didn’t understand how her statemen was “bullshitty” but dropped it once you said it wasn’t the right word This is how I roll, boyo. | ||
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On February 06 2018 23:33 Conversion wrote: To be clear, rsoultin You said this and then another page+ is you just pinpointing things that don't help you push your agenda. You poked ritoky a few times, that's about it. I didn't see you getting anything from that. Also Can you explain how you don't see the taken out of context point? It was pretty clear. Wait a second lol >< This looks like you just decided I was being 'nitpicky' and defensive and then realized that I was questioning a scumread and went oops! Better correct that! Must be a pain to claim I'm doing nothing about my reads and then notice that I am. Here's a hint: read a couple posts down and you'll see I already answered your question. Guess you missed that in your skim as well? | ||
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On February 06 2018 23:41 Koshi wrote: Town for now: Mocsta darthfoley Tfrel Conversion rayn Most are based on tone. I cant be hold accountable for any of these reads and will change them if it fits my agenda. Can you explain Conversion? Because I think he just made up a read on me based on what he saw holyflare saying and then had to backtrack. | ||
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On February 07 2018 00:07 Koshi wrote: I think I will also call rsoultin leaning town. And that I will vote mderg. mderg, prplhz and the 2 afks might contain 2 mafia. Let's hope the third does better. ##vote mdreg I'm kinda okay with prp though. Why him? | ||
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On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote: Oh you're right I completely missed that. Man I am not on the ball this game.. Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down.  Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth. | ||
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On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote: Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth. Which, to be clear, would be fine if you hadn't claimed to be caught up. | ||
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On February 07 2018 00:45 Conversion wrote: That's usually what happens when I roll out of bed in the morning and read things without double checking my facts. Sue me if that makes me mafia. Also, your though on me reading what HF said and that influencing what I'm saying is pretty horse shit, since I would have quoted him if I did so. /shrug I'll just take a step back and actually start double checking what I post Well, if you're not reading to get your reads, you have to be getting them from somewhere. | ||
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On February 07 2018 00:47 Conversion wrote: Yeah I'm getting them because I'm scum and I know my scummates and you're obviously VT. I'm glad you finally admit it. | ||
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On February 07 2018 02:40 Conversion wrote: Sure. I will answer any questions you have of me regardless of whether I agree or disagree, as I believe you are town and I am town and I want to solve this game with other town. rsoultin from diving into CCCP, and with less scrutiny in Newbie, played a more loose game in the beginning, from what I could see. She was questioning left and right, similar to how she is doing so here. However, I don't feel as if her posts really progress the game, whereas I felt that when reading the past two games from her. I might be wrong, but this is what I feel. Another point that worries me she hasn't really clawed onto a target yet. She sort of prods at ritoky, but most of her filter doesn't conclude much. She questions my posts on missing information, and I believe she concluded I am scum for it (she's voting me, iirc). Which leads me to believe that she thinks that my omitting information to fit an agenda (rsoultin is scummy) is making me scum. Which I think in and of itself is a fine conclusion to make. The problem I have with this right now (rsoultin, please correct me if I am wrong in concluding that you think I am scum for those reasons and more that you are not sharing) is that I did a very blatantly scummy thing in CCCP-- however, she seemed more questioning rather than aggressively painting me scum. She also kept her thought process rather transparent and iterated in the thread a lot, whereas I feel as if her actions are more hidden/calculated so far in this game. Not sure if that helps, but that's my general thought process/feeling right now. You make me want to vote for myself. Pfft. | ||
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On February 07 2018 17:34 Holyflare wrote: Rsoultin posting would be nice Hi! Ask me what you need to. I haven't really read everything posted since I left yesterday. | ||
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Rsoul doesn't exist. I'm going back through the game as if I've never played. It's kind of a retarded theory, but I think people focusing on nothing much other than me is probably where to find scum. Also...not as frustrating when five people reiterate something that seems like a scum argument and there can't be that many scum in the game, so there's that. If you guys want to vote me, fine. Lynch me for closure. But I don't want any more talk about me today so that I can focus and have a chance of actually leaving good reads behind. | ||
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On February 07 2018 17:45 Holyflare wrote: I also won't be around much today because of work anyway. Only reason I'm posting now is because I'm in bed. Work starts in 15 mins and it takes an hour + to get there. Oops. That's fine. Just sheep my reads day 2 if they're brilliant. | ||
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On February 07 2018 02:13 Damdred wrote: Its hard to concentrate when you have the flu lol. In any case caught up and mocsta should be ashamed of himself. I like being scum more than town and have my longest filters as scum. I wish I had made it bwfore Rayn explained himself. Tina intial things were a bit strange and ahe lacks some of the bounceyness I attribute to her as town. Rit is strange... lacks something that i generally town read him on. and his posts seem to lack a bit of cohesiveness. Not enough on damdy for a strong read, obviously. As I said before, being afk is not really a sign of anything from him, but I do think that it makes sense for him to concentrate on his two pocket reads if he hasn't really gotten a chance yet to sink his teeth into the game. What makes me waffle beyond the minimal content is there are really no townreads mentioned at all. It looks like he read at least the beginning of the game, and mentions both rayn and mocsta, but not what he thinks of them. | ||
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On February 07 2018 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem is that i told you this like 100 hours ago -- after my push was initially that lead to all these people scumreading you, and you managed to do absolutely nothing after. So can you start now instead of still jsut complaining about ppl scumreading you? Sorry if i sound offensive, i don't mean to. You do, but that's okay. It's only because I already started doing what you asked and can now thumb my nose at you. | ||
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On February 07 2018 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: So uh oh.... is Damdred town or mafia? I read him on emotion and tone...usually related to how he's being pushed. I'd say a bit of a scumlean, though. Even ignoring that he's wrong on me, which is unusual but not impossible, going back through ritoky's filter he's actually been super fluid in his reads and poking in a lot of places. Unless I'm wrong on ritoky, which I actually used to be quite frequently, it bugs me that Ian is scumreading him. I'd like a more thorough description of why. Although maybe the easiest way to read him is to just vote him and see how he reacts, lol | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont get how the first post you made and this second one go together quite well since in the first post you gave totally different reasons for him possibly being mafia than in the second one. I've read ritoky's filter between the first and the second. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also srsly think ritoky hasn't done shit in this game. The most close thing to doing anything is the Koshi emotional burst but that also happened to be 100% bs. Read his filter and then tell me you don't see it. | ||
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What really gives me pause though is that I distinctly recall his primary negative comment about me in his scum QT being that I didn't have the "EQ" to handle a holyflare. If he noticed that I react so poorly (yes, sorry, rsoul is existing again for a second but it's the only way that I can explain my concern on mocsta) to people belittling me, he should have known how posts like this would tilt me: On February 06 2018 06:42 Mocsta wrote: Why so mad? Need some itch cream? I got what you need, bbygurl For someone who noticed that I tilt even in a game I'm not scumread in at posts like this, it seems less like he was less interested in my alignment than he should have been. Damdred is also a pretty easy mislynch if he's town. The reason for it is bad, too. Afk. Only caveat is mocsta may not know that Ian tends to poof constantly. Which fits him being town and tunneled on me therefore ignoring anything I say as possibly false. Meh. Now I'm talking in circles. It's really an interplay between pretty solid push in his filter and saying things he know will tilt me. Although, ironically, him doing that pretty solid push then switching over to Damdred for one post actually does align better with his scum play. Leaning scum. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:19 Holyflare wrote: I also don't get how we got to ritoky while talking about damdred. You've been pointing out ritoky posts you've hated all game so what reads are 'fluid"??? Not the reads themselves, the overall picture of the game, Joni. I was dubious about him not actively pushing the one scummy read he seemed to have. His explanations were reasonable if unverifiable. I'm allowed to change my mind after rereading his filter (and a bit before, obv, given I unvoted him) -flicks- | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you mean the Koshi stuff i think it is slightly more likely to come from mafia. I have had huge fights with Holyflare when we have both been town. Same with you. ritoky's stuff on Koshi doesn't matter because not only is it wrong but it is just a spacegoat to not do anything or discern his alignment. Same as the smiley read. What i mean is that i would never as town use "lol you're so annoying because you always are" or "we always fight about stupid stuff" (when getting into an argument) to "strengthen" my argument, which to me seems like ritoky is doing. Not talking about the koshi stuff at all. That's also NAI to me. It would be true as either alignment, from both of them. They're babbling about nothing relevant to the game. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta is voting for you Tina so idk what you're talking about. He's lining up for a shift, or are you blind today, lol? If you're going to argue with every post I make in an effort to derail me because you think that I'm scum, could you kindly consider the very real and true possibility that I'm town trying to get my reads out? I'm not even saying don't lynch me. Do. Bury me. It's okay. You don't even need to talk for that. And you can explain all the things you think are wrong with my posts after I'm done. Or I can just stop posting as I go...you know what, I'll do that. You probably can't help yourself cause you're you. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:24 Holyflare wrote: What is fluid about his view of the game??? I mean, I could quote most of the posts from his filter, but it's really just an overall sense. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's because i don't see the point doing so if you're town and he is mafia. He has a case. People agree (at least on the lynch). But yeah, i will stop bothering you, do your thing. He doesn't need a point. Remember his shift to mderg last game? It almost seems like a nervous tick...I think he even said in his scum QT it was because he was bored. Anyway, it's only a slight negative, because I can also see it from a town perspective. Just kind of negates the positive meta point that this was different play from his scum game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 06 2018 06:27 ritoky wrote: hf On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote: i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town. koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote: hf town not lynching mocsta today rsoul prob town df hot and cold conv kinda poop soup lynch koshi On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote: his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. On February 06 2018 12:24 ritoky wrote: truffle On February 06 2018 18:57 ritoky wrote: truffle is less townie than before because he took a blatant OoC quote. conv slightly less shitty for calling truffle's bullshit about OoC quote. nothing else interesting. On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote: that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. On February 07 2018 09:10 ritoky wrote: Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right? On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote: i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote: df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn? On February 07 2018 09:01 ritoky wrote: You called rels town one time df. It was strange and off-putting. But I love your kick ass, take names, and fuck off tone. It makes me slightly hard. On February 07 2018 09:49 ritoky wrote: i believe df is using the nationality ascribed to his role and rels post to get a read.....altho i really don't think i should be posting about it cuz it feels icky. On February 07 2018 08:52 ritoky wrote: I mean statistically damdred is more likely mafia than wrong about my alignment, so there's that. These are slightly out of order to show where reads are changing, but that's what I mean by fluid, HF. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:34 Mocsta wrote: So im leaning scum? The whole irony of this post is you say i should hav ebetter eq on you, suggesting perhaps you didnt realise i was considering an unvote. however, later you comment on this, so you should know i have realised myself i may have tilted you. with that contradiction, now i can only keep my vote. damdred is scum with you i dont have to re-read, thanks for saving me a couple horus.  | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you tell me what you mean with fluid? It's a little hard to describe. It's how I caught Damerion, though. It's not just changing reads on an individual, but also just changing reads based on new information in the thread. I'm not saying that ritoky is really hard-pushing anything (that was what I thought was scummy the first time through) but I am saying that his view of the game is shifting with new information. I generally find that towny. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:38 rsoultin wrote: Ritoky posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2018 06:27 ritoky wrote: hf On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote: i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town. koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote: hf town not lynching mocsta today rsoul prob town df hot and cold conv kinda poop soup lynch koshi On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote: his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. On February 06 2018 12:24 ritoky wrote: truffle On February 06 2018 18:57 ritoky wrote: truffle is less townie than before because he took a blatant OoC quote. conv slightly less shitty for calling truffle's bullshit about OoC quote. nothing else interesting. On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote: that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. On February 07 2018 09:10 ritoky wrote: Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right? On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote: i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote: df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn? On February 07 2018 09:01 ritoky wrote: You called rels town one time df. It was strange and off-putting. But I love your kick ass, take names, and fuck off tone. It makes me slightly hard. On February 07 2018 09:49 ritoky wrote: i believe df is using the nationality ascribed to his role and rels post to get a read.....altho i really don't think i should be posting about it cuz it feels icky. On February 07 2018 08:52 ritoky wrote: I mean statistically damdred is more likely mafia than wrong about my alignment, so there's that. These are slightly out of order to show where reads are changing, but that's what I mean by fluid, HF. Literally just posted this Joni lol. And again, it's a universal sense not a, here's a post here's a post let me explain each one sort of thing. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tina i assume you're caught up with the thread is that right? No, I'm filter diving. Is there something you wanted me to comment on? | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:40 Mocsta wrote: EQ = Emotional equivalent of IQ i have no issue with Ritoky at this point. I think hes honest with not playing like this before and being to the point. Would be a 1 or 2 on the ritoky scale. This was how I was interpreting EQ as well, to be clear. Yes he called me the equivalent of emotionally stupid in his scum QT. That sort of thing sticks in my memory. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I generally agree with the statement but when your reads start at bullshit level 10 it is easy to change them to reasonable level 1. What reads did you think were bullshit from ritoky? | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:45 Mocsta wrote: i cant understand for the life of me why you would do this as either town or mafia. i was ready to give you a chance and this just makes no sense as a play other than mafia toying around before death. Hun, I'm making reads posts for after I flip. If you're town and my slight scumread is wrong, apologies, but I really don't see the point of your post there and feel no need to answer it. I did, however, acknowledge it so that you know that I read what you said. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually no i dnot care about anything other than this. Who were you fiter diving Tina? which ppl and why? I'm literally just going down the player list, rayn. Looking at DF right now, but I think I need to read the truffle comments on him because I don't remember them well and it's a big point in his filter. Not that that really matters. I think that I was having trouble seeing the forest for the trees because I was too focused on myself this game, which is my bad. It's not the first time that's happened, but I understand why people don't remember what I'm like when being scumread; it's been years. So I'm trying to go back through more objectively. For what that's worth. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: read on you read on koshi read on damdred read on trfel all of those were in my opinion based on superficial things that dont make anyone anything (and the koshi read wasnt even a read which made me think he isnt even doing anything or does not want to) Me and koshi I agree on, though the koshi read really shouldn't even count imo since he never claimed it was real. The damdred and truffel reads seem legitimate enough to me, though. That's probably where you and I value different things. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:55 rsoultin wrote: I'm literally just going down the player list, rayn. Looking at DF right now, but I think I need to read the truffle comments on him because I don't remember them well and it's a big point in his filter. Not that that really matters. I think that I was having trouble seeing the forest for the trees because I was too focused on myself this game, which is my bad. It's not the first time that's happened, but I understand why people don't remember what I'm like when being scumread; it's been years. So I'm trying to go back through more objectively. For what that's worth. No, it was you Rayn, not truffle. Misread that because he was talking all about truffle before. Some individual posts from darth foley still tonally resonate with me as being pretty fuck the world I'm gonna do what I want, but his filter in general actually reads more angry and defensive than I remember. I also don't like how he's mostly just scumreading people who are scumreading him after the initial scumreads on both myself and mocsta. To be fair, I actually think the original scumreads on mocsta and myself are okay given his last game and the buss that went on there. But scumreading whoever scumreads him (truffle, rayn) was exactly what he did as scum in Newbie. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:02 Mocsta wrote: I most certainly did not (or intended it to be taken that way). I will PM you about this after the game. For fucks sake. I opened my case with how much I respect your play. Lol, it's okay. I took it as constructive criticism, then promptly forgot the moment we started playing. It really is an issue of mine, so I don't mind it being said. It's just why I find it weird that after recognizing how bad I am at these things, enough to actually comment on it in QT, you proceed to post references to things that Holyflare literally said which tilted me last game. Not cool if you're town, bro. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: darthfoley is mafia nad i encourage everyone to vote for him. please. Could do, but I'm still digging. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:05 ritoky wrote: yeah i don't really think he is mafia at all, so not doing that. Because of townreading Rels? I mean, I understand why you think it might be...I forget the word...angling? Hold on, let me pop back into the DF filter. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:14 rsoultin wrote: Because of townreading Rels? I mean, I understand why you think it might be...I forget the word...angling? Hold on, let me pop back into the DF filter. Nh. I don't know. It kind of seems like you're assuming an inexplicable townread comes from that with no basis in fact. Other than maybe his unwilligness to elaborate. Which is weird, really. If he was angling and you already publically identified it, why would he feel the need to keep it secret? More to the point, it's Rels. He is French. And I know that I've seen him make posts like that before. (Thought he did in Newbie, but I guess I was wrong.) It's possible that darthfoley read into it I suppose but...meh. I just don't find this theory as compelling as the rest of his filter, even if it's technically possible. You mentioned tone before. Are those two reasons your main reasons for townreading him? | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:20 Mocsta wrote: excuse me? what is not alignment indicative? and.. you are 1 vote of 13. get used to ppl not sucking you off. o.0 Mocsta, dude, where is this coming from? Take a chill pill. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:20 rsoultin wrote: Nh. I don't know. It kind of seems like you're assuming an inexplicable townread comes from that with no basis in fact. Other than maybe his unwilligness to elaborate. Which is weird, really. If he was angling and you already publically identified it, why would he feel the need to keep it secret? More to the point, it's Rels. He is French. And I know that I've seen him make posts like that before. (Thought he did in Newbie, but I guess I was wrong.) It's possible that darthfoley read into it I suppose but...meh. I just don't find this theory as compelling as the rest of his filter, even if it's technically possible. You mentioned tone before. Are those two reasons your main reasons for townreading him? :/ You're not supposed to leave, ritoky. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:07 rsoultin wrote: No, it was you Rayn, not truffle. Misread that because he was talking all about truffle before. Some individual posts from darth foley still tonally resonate with me as being pretty fuck the world I'm gonna do what I want, but his filter in general actually reads more angry and defensive than I remember. I also don't like how he's mostly just scumreading people who are scumreading him after the initial scumreads on both myself and mocsta. To be fair, I actually think the original scumreads on mocsta and myself are okay given his last game and the buss that went on there. But scumreading whoever scumreads him (truffle, rayn) was exactly what he did as scum in Newbie. Lol, rayn, you keep doing this. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: youve been doing it for like 2 hours-. It's already done? And I've also been responding to what's going on here. Calm down please. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: gg then #unvote darthfoley ##vote rsoultin afk, work. Seriously? I mean, it's fine to lynch me anyway if that's what you need to get untunneled, but it feels like you're doing it over a misunderstanding or I don't even understand this reaction from you. | ||
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On February 07 2018 21:32 darthfoley wrote: maybe I like rayn again I'm tempted to sit on you because of ritoky. Your reads still seem to change based on others' reads on you, though. Or at least on people scumreading you. That resembles your scum play to me. If you have town games that show you kinda OMGUS your way through games, could you link one of them, please? I'll follow up eventually if I don't get lynched today, but my bruised ego would prefer a tidy collection of correct reads to leave town with, and I doubt I'll have the time before deadline to pursue that avenue. | ||
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On February 07 2018 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or mby you should wait until d2 and lynch unccd vigilante who shot mafia because someone talked about sk. That would make my day. What did you disagree with on my darth foley read? You asked for my filter dive on him (demanded it actually), I quoted where I'd already given it just as I quoted the ritoky posts that had me reading his game as fluid that I'd already given to holyflare when you asked, and you insta-voted me. So either you have a problem with my read that I'd like explained, or you didn't realize I was quoting where I'd already answered what you were asking for. | ||
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There's still the claiming to be caught up but not and slight contradictions, but I don't think that's very alignment indicative in this case. It's kind of bad but his case on me is probably the biggest thing that makes him more likely town in my eyes. Not bothering with Rels. Neither of these two should be lynched today. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, i think this is right. #unvote ##vote darthfoley the dude scumreads me for the same reasons he townread me earlier. it is so fucking terrible it has to be mafia. idk, rsoulting can be mafia too but this is just too unbelieveable. I'm not a big fan of Joni's townread on mderg or the fact that he was (is?) scumreading ritoky for the same reason that I was, but honestly this post probably makes him town. That and I'm generally not getting the 'scream until my target is lynched' vibe that I normally get from a scum Joni - he's still pushing, but taking the time to prod. Caveat here is he knows how I read him and has catered to that before. Caveat to the caveat is if he were scum here he could push me until the cows come home with no one listening to my trying to say he's scum for not involving people, and no one else seems to have that read nailed down on him. So. Still pretty sure he's town. Just being Joni. | ||
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On February 07 2018 21:51 Koshi wrote: Ofc Rels should be up for lynch... In the absence of anyone scummy, sure. I don't make a habit of lynching an afk Rels on D1 because, as you said with Damdred, he can turn into a butterfly. | ||
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On February 07 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote: The funny thing is that nobody understands why you even thought conversion was mafia to begin with because you didn't say a thing. So why did you find him scummy? Mostly just inconsistencies and nodding my head to Truffle's posts which gave me warm fuzzies at the time. I was a shameful sheeple. It wasn't my strongest read at the time. Thus pursuing ritoky. However, ritoky addressed some of my concerns and then Conversion comes to the thread echoing a sentiment you'd just posted...something about me not doing anything about my scumreads. Then posted that well I'd poked at ritoky but that didn't mean anything because he didn't see what I'd gotten from it. Maybe it was an emotional reaction at the time, but it looked to me like he hadn't actually read what I'd posted since he'd left, then realized his mistake and posted to acknolwedge it before he could be called out on it, but still stick to his read. In effect, though, even if that's true it still could have come from town. I'm just bad. | ||
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But I can see where you're coming from on your prp lynch and it really comes down to whether or not 1) I agree that all the active people are more likely town or at least have a decent shot at it or 2) that it makes sense for you to think that. Also, could you explain this? I think you said it was about df and why rayn scumreads him, but I'm not following at all: On February 07 2018 20:10 Koshi wrote: Why did you say that though? It sounds a bit weird. Mayne cuz I am not a native speaker but still.. I believe your arguments are wrong That sounds so icky. | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:19 Koshi wrote: If you cant follow it you are not reading the thread. It is rayn is nr 1 reason to scumread df and he explained it. And I already explained this very post to mocsta as well. And on top of that df answered me already. I cant help blind people in a forum mafia game. This is just pathetic. On February 07 2018 20:07 darthfoley wrote: Regarding mderg, I've made a few posts already about how disconnected he is in the game. It's actually one of the biggest question marks I have on rayn and HF. For so long they railed on me for "not being involved in the game" while seemingly ignoring mderg who has been around to post but hasn't. This reason especially comes off as a bad reason to townread Mocsta. I think you could Town read Mocsta for a few reasons that I could buy as genuine beliefs, but I have not thought to myself, "you know what, Mocsta really knows where he's going this game." It almost feels like a TMI spew town read if mderg flips mafia ^ I thought your post was in response to this post and had no clue as to why it got that reaction from you, even reading the discussion. But I suppose it must have been in response to this one posted just before that? On February 07 2018 20:03 darthfoley wrote: @ritoky I was angle shooting Also rayn's big "gotcha" moment doesn't make sense. A scum slip is when people say "I believe am I Town" not "I am Town and I believe your arguments are incorrect." But now were just talking semantics So disregard. Dangers of skimming. | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:23 Koshi wrote: You have to not have read 7-10 posts to not understand the post... Explain to me in extreme detail why prplhz is town or "ok" for you. I want to completely understand it. There's not much to completely understand. I didn't think there was anything particularly alignment indicative in what he'd posted, which is why I asked you (if I recall correctly) for your read on him. | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:26 Koshi wrote: I offcially revoke my leaning townread on rsoultin. I dont want to lynch her today. But fuck this thread control type of play that doesnt push the game forward at all. All stupid safe reads and nothing interesting in over 100 posts. I am not entertained. You may die. Cool beans. | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:28 Koshi wrote: There are 10 more posts in the thread about that. It has nothing to do with skimming. You are just filling your filter and not solving the game. You cannot miss all the fucking posts about this. -shrugs- It wasn't obvious to me. So sue me. | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote: You tr prplhz at some point. Or at least were ok with him. You keep asking me about prplhz and your own read is foggy as fuck. Reread prplhz if needed and explain how you felt about him this entire game. What are you telling me?? You have had no opinion at all on him this entire fucking game? What are you doing????? Filter diving. | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:33 Koshi wrote: rsoultin is not solving this game. That is for sure. Blah. Last time you were way more obvious mafia. I remember my banana apple post. o.0 I vaguely but don't really remember this. | ||
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I was gonna bother but you know what? Truffle felt town to me most of the game until the reversal on Conversion's case. It's not even that Conversion's case was bad, because it wasn't; it's that it touched on the sort of intangibles that the Truffle of years ago didn't tend to find compelling. I think he's still town but don't give him a free pass. Holyflare is whatever the fuck. I can never tell even when I care. And I'm sure you all will blame me when you inevitably lynch me tonight after I bugger off for the rest of the day, but personally I only hold myself responsible for the beginning of the day when I was being a bit of a snit. At some point this game just isn't worth it anymore. Voting mderg. Don't want to vote DF without talking to ritoky about his read first. | ||
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On February 07 2018 23:05 Damdred wrote: Tinnnnaaa Sorry if you're town, Ian. I'm just done. Calling me scum and shooting me multiple exclamation point question mark shouty posts is one thing. Claiming I'm just filling my filter when I'm trying to leave a post flip legacy is another. Well, it's there. I'm done. I don't know if I'm right or not but whatever. | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:49 rsoultin wrote: There are glimmers of something in mderg's filter until the list post, which is mostly nulullllullululull. I think the problem here is when I originally saw koshi's post on mderg's list post I was typing up a post to the effect of there's a lot of nulls which isn't the same as a lot of scumreads, but realized that I didn't disagree with Koshi's conclusion so there was no real need to correct him on that. So in my head I'd already commented when I hadn't actually already commented. The irony is you said essentially the same thing as I did about his list post with way more words. | ||
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On February 08 2018 01:18 Conversion wrote: I wrote a big post on what I didn't like with rsoultin's post here: but I lost it in refreshing the thread maybe? I am sad. The point was summed up to be she was at earlier day thinking I was scum for missing posts that could have been met with more scrutiny in filters/reading the thread, and even repeated saying that it was not great behavior (although NAI), and then proceeded to do it with Koshi. I know, ironic, isn't it? lol To be fair, he posted that after another post that really wasn't talking about it so I got confused how they were related, but I see no point in talking about it anymore. Apparently I'm an awful baddy for not realizing he wasn't responding to darth foley's most recent post, but the one before. Whatevs. | ||
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@Truffle, that's because Conversion wasn't my main scumread when I was voting ritoky. You have the timing off, perhaps because I poorly communicated it. I was talking about the point in the game when I posted the below post: On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote: I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today. Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you. Rayn and truffle are town. DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum. What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him. | ||
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On February 08 2018 02:45 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: mderg Both wagons like fine as I think mafia lies within Rels/Damdred/mderg/prplhz and HF. So congratz to the ones who get their lynch. I would never lynch rsoultin today. Way too much value that gets lost if she is town. Wayyyy too much value. Only lynch rsoultin if you believe you will be able to read mderg better as this game progresses or have a townread on him. I also still haven't read a decent case on why rsoultin is mafia. The best points I saw were meta related. All the rest is not that brilliant. <3! Not game-related, but warm fuzzies are always nice. | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote: Expanding upon this post, it is entirely possible that mderg and rsoultin is a TvT lynch. Which sucks. If I were to follow Koshi's logic, I should most likely lynch mderg over rsoultin because I think I have the ability to read her more than him. However, I'm not sold on that because I'm not great at reading people. Hmm. I have a meeting until an hour before deadline. Will be back by then. Then who would you want to lynch? And my issue with mderg here vs Newbie is there was more sparkle in Newbie. There's only one or two things I'd call sparkle here. And yes I know that I'll have to expand on that let me see if I can. Also I think I'd prefer Darth foley if not mderg but I really want ritoky to come back for that cause he's a really good player as town and I want to hear his reasons before I decided to ignore them, if I do. | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:06 Damdred wrote: Mderg I sort of feel your read on basedgodkoshi is a bit... underwhelming. I think Koshi has on the surface decent points (i disagree with him because your list in review looks the same as last game somewhat.) so I dont necessarily scum level of koshi laziness or going along with the thread sentiment. Tina why you talk to me that way when i havent even been hostile as of yet? Mocata why is me being absent so acum indicative exactly? Seems strange. Honestly to the thread Mocsta is botgering me a bit honestly the last bit ive read. He pushed Tina pretty hard but ended up elsewhere while soft pushing me so far. Just tickles me in a bad way. What? | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:07 mderg wrote: That doesn't look like great reasoning to me On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote: Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game. | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:11 Damdred wrote: I said your name and you shot up some strange post that seemed to be towards me when i was just saying hi and wanting to talk Oh yeah sorry. That was me getting aggravated at people for shitting on my attempts to relook at the game and leave reads before I flipped, not aimed at you. I was trying to explain why I was leaving. What is it that you want to talk about? | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:12 rsoultin wrote: These are the only kinda sparkly things that I think could indicate a town mderg. Particularly the second, because it was where my mind was at regarding mocsta and his play from Newbie before he started diverting onto other things. Yeah, way more comments and dissenting opinions in Newbie. I'll just link to the filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?user=mderg&page=2 I don't know that it for sure makes him scum, but between that and the fact that there's much more in the way of actual reads in that shorter list post makes me think he's our best chance of lynching scum today. | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:21 Damdred wrote: idk its a bit strange to me that when i got back you didnt jump on me to try to talk to me... and its annoying when i have postes very few have talked to me. You didnt evwm talk to me about mocsta or tell me i was wrong and read the thread more idk. Why should I have done that? I don't fundamentally disagree with you about mocsta. | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:22 Koshi wrote: HF mafia who lets rayn do the driving D1. Seems plausible. This I could definitely see. | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:24 rsoultin wrote: Why should I have done that? I don't fundamentally disagree with you about mocsta. Although that does remind me that I did actually have a question for you. I think ritoky looks good this game. He and Joni are probably my biggest townreads. So what is it that you don't like about ritoky? | ||
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I have no intention of lynching (or probably more accurately trying to lynch) holyflare today, so no worries. Last game proved to me in spades that him taking a back seat and being wrong do not necessarily make him scum. It just would be a convenient thing for a scum Holyflare to do if Joni's intent on lynching town. Thought filed away for later. I'm not really convinced that darth foley is town. | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:39 prplhz wrote: Lets lynch like Trfel or... Rels? I don't want to lynch Truffle. You and Rels are mostly on the same level for me. So...meh. Why isn't mderg scum, prp? | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:47 Damdred wrote: Well he wasnt doing the thing that makes him an easy townread when i was in thread anyway. After reading his later content he did a couple of the things so hes probably town. What are those things? I mean, I think you've mentioned a meta read that you don't want to fully disclose (correct me if I'm wrong) but surely there's something you can point to that changed your mind? | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:55 rsoultin wrote: What are those things? I mean, I think you've mentioned a meta read that you don't want to fully disclose (correct me if I'm wrong) but surely there's something you can point to that changed your mind? Actually, also why you had him scum earlier, too. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote:  I cant go into to much detail or ritoky will change how he plays to mimic. He had a few posts that changed my mind about him. His last post about if we have to shenanigans onto him so be it etc., felt like a typical martyr ritoky post makes as town. That was the point where i really lost any doubt. As for initially he was a bit meh opening up and seemed lazy but I wasnt here for most of hia filter so was pretty early for me I think. Fair. It was partially curiosity and partially because I think that you being wrong on both me and ritoky as town would be pretty unlikely. Probably a little more curiosity because you posted something that I think you'd probably never post as scum. But I'm really not sure who it is that you actually want to lynch right now? | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:18 Damdred wrote: its sarcasm tina with the /s Oh lol >< so that's a thing? Good to know. | ||
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And you can adjust the 'tempted' part to I'm resistant to lynching you today because of ritoky. On February 07 2018 21:41 rsoultin wrote: I'm tempted to sit on you because of ritoky. Your reads still seem to change based on others' reads on you, though. Or at least on people scumreading you. That resembles your scum play to me. If you have town games that show you kinda OMGUS your way through games, could you link one of them, please? I'll follow up eventually if I don't get lynched today, but my bruised ego would prefer a tidy collection of correct reads to leave town with, and I doubt I'll have the time before deadline to pursue that avenue. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:25 Damdred wrote: I could probably lynch Mocsta/prp/ maybe mderg The more I communicate with you tina the mbre i think you might be town. Mderg is a maybe he has some thinfs that look the same from last game but his scum reads are sort of meh so far. Its difficult and im atill forming opinions atm I really can't decide on mocsta. The sudden Joni vote looks kind of towny to me. The pushing one thing then shifting to you for NAI reasons matches his scum meta, and yeah my silly he shouldn't be antagonizing me reason when he knows better if he's town. I think I'd rather not try to lynch him until I've seen more from him. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:28 mderg wrote: I think my rsoultin scumread may actually be stupid here. That's unfortunate for you given I'm the main counterwagon. Who would you even want to lynch then? | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:28 Conversion wrote: I am back. Meeting ran over, typical. I would lynch prplhz. Mainly because he is the only other one that I shamelessly sheeped Koshi on, do not like his filter, and he also promised to be better this game which he is not doing. I don't oppose a prp lynch? I just think it's a coinflip. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:30 Damdred wrote: Explain to me why he isnt vting you then XD. Whatvdo you think of mderg now? I don't know what you mean? That's ironically one of the reasons I'm leery of him. The second is not something I'll answer right now. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:32 darthfoley wrote: I think rsoultin has put in a lot of effort but I think it's kinda NAI. Last game she ran shit and let people know what they were doing based off of her. This game she is letting her play be attached to other variables too much for my liking. (e.g. not being down to lynch me based off of ritoky's read on me. I think i've played with ritoky like once or twice.) For my science nerds out there: last game rsoultin's play was the independent variable; this game it feels like the dependent variable. This is blatantly misrepresenting my play given the whole reason I was even on scum D1 last game rather than BTDT was due to my two top townreads either townreading BTDT (Damdred) or scumreading you (KSC). | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:34 Conversion wrote: Hmm. My diffident nature is showing as deadline is creeping upon me.. On one hand I really dislike mderg's filter, but I am not seeing too much of a difference between here and Newbie. I have not played Newbie, though, so maybe I would have seen it differently had I been in it. On the other hand, I really disliked the majority of your Day1, and I am not sure if the recovery was enough to sway my decision... Ugh. -squints at- That just sounds like you should be voting me. I don't see what the waffle is about. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:36 Damdred wrote: why not? its literally 30 minites before eod and hes being supet ballsey and saying he doesnt want to lynch the only person who has legit chance of going over him... You should give your thougts so i can draw conclussions -_- Really, Ian. I wanted his response first do you have to ruin everything? | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Either rsoultin or df. Neither of prplhz or mderg is scum. I have no time to write more. Also no time to be caught up or to realize you're basing your entire vote on me (I presume) based on not reading the post where I literally quoted my df filter dive to you, but whatever. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:38 Damdred wrote: to be fair about last game tina did get emotionally distraught about killing me personally and tried to bring my murderer to juatice to make up for the heinois wrongs she did And I would have, too, if not for those meddling kids! | ||
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Meh fuck it. Not lynching you. I really don't think I want to lynch DF either, though. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:41 Conversion wrote: You can look into my meta (past all the unfun, toxic, ragey bullshit) and you will see that by nature I am waffley. But you are right, I will remain steadfast in voting you and just have more confidence in my conclusion. Lol I'm doing wonders for myself this game, aren't I? Mderg's probably not scum though so there's that. | ||
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But I don't want to lynch mderg and I want to discuss darth foley with ritoky so yolo \o/ | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:44 Holyflare wrote: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=20#383 ?? Oh, yeah that. That was pretty shit actually lol. Half of it was based on this idea that my ritoky scumread was an association read. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:45 rsoultin wrote: Oh, yeah that. That was pretty shit actually lol. Half of it was based on this idea that my ritoky scumread was an association read. Like you honestly could have said the same thing just by saying I didn't have a clear scumread on Conversion. Quoting the posts where I was talking about poking him for a joke and talking about ritoky not pursuing the one read that appeared to actually be a scumread of his is pretty disingenous. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote: This is distracting from the more relevant fact that Mderg is town and being lynched and frankly I could care less whose e-penis is bigger. On February 08 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote: This is distracting from the more relevant fact that Mderg is town and being lynched and frankly I could care less whose e-penis is bigger. On February 08 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote: This is distracting from the more relevant fact that Mderg is town and being lynched and frankly I could care less whose e-penis is bigger. On February 08 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote: This is distracting from the more relevant fact that Mderg is town and being lynched and frankly I could care less whose e-penis is bigger. !!!!! | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:52 darthfoley wrote: You're saying this but you aren't consolidating on a wagon or trying to push a wagon I'm voting prp instead of piling onto your sorry ass. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:52 Holyflare wrote: I don't care if mderg is town and getting lynched though. He's pulling off his only chance for survival. No way he does that as scum. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:53 darthfoley wrote: If prplhz is mafia then he has big boy balls. I would be surprised. He's had a couple out of the box reads (namely scum!Trfel) that I don't think a low activity mafia would care to make. Well I hardly know who else I'd even try to consolidate on unless it's you, which is still not something I want to do >< | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:12 disformation wrote: also hi everyone. =D je suis francais Yeah, I don't speak that devil tongue. | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:13 darthfoley wrote: Rayn/Damdred don't look very good tbh. Rayn committed to df/rsoultin only when it's very close Damdred votes rsoultin last minute when it's very close To be fair, Rayn has been harping on me and df all day. Iaaaaan wtf man? | ||
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Only way I see a scum Ian voting me is if he didn't realize mderg were already the lynch. Possible, but he even posted that mderg was the lynch, so yeah. It's still pretty damn rude. | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote: nobody else was being lynched that i felt steongly for, mderg wifom play resonated with me and i wanted to consolidate. Tch | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:17 darthfoley wrote: That's true. If you're town you have to believe at least one mafia voted on you. Any particulary ideas? Lol >< gut says you. Especially with the shit you were giving HF. I guess it could be Conversion though with how he made a show of waffling in thread and then took my post and ran with it. Also felt the need to defer responsibility to me for staying on me. Still think his case on me is more likely to come from town, though. | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:28 darthfoley wrote: You don't look nearly as bad as I thought but I'm still not sure why you decided to vote for rsoultin. Maybe i'm missing something. Perhaps there was a bus that occurred, but it feels like it would've been so much easier to just kill rsoultin. That's what makes me think rsoultin could just be RB. Either way I think a vigi shot into rsoultin, if possible, would give a lot of info. If that's what people need to feel comfortable, sure. I'd rather be shot than you waste a lynch on me. | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:33 Holyflare wrote: It was 4vs3 and I voted to prevent any bull shit going on rsoul making it 5vs3. Then rsoul doesn't vote to save herself because mderg was her partner and then damdred made it 5v4. Blah yeah just shoot me so you guys can get this out of your head. I'll make it easier for anyone doubting and afk the night phase...would rather spend the time with Lexy anyway since it's his day off. Like there's really no chance as scum that I do that instead of buss for the cred, but you won't believe that until you see me flip. | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:39 Holyflare wrote: I was only slightly kidding :p Need to read rest of game now and see what's up. Please just ignore me. I'm sorry. Eh, you're fine. The honest truth is that if I weren't me I would think I was scum right now, so as I said...I really can't blame anyone. Maybe after some sleep this game will make a bit more sense. | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:49 Holyflare wrote: Can you elaborate why mderg was here but 0 time spent talking about him? I didn't like his bullshitting post, nor how he agreed with mocsta but couldn't understand him simultaneously. I didn't explicitly spell that out but it's obvious from my filter if you need to verify it. | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Never ever let that slide. Please. Mafia dude refuses to save himself and so does the counter wagon. Both mafia. So who is mafia when I flip town? Because that will be the world you're living in, probably very soon. | ||
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On February 08 2018 06:41 Damdred wrote: Thats possible, but diaformation seems town here... Tina and you should weigh on this. What do you think of tina saying all that about her teuating ritoky and wanting to have a talk about you but ends up on you trying to cause a shenanigan wagon? strange but i wamt her to answer (i bet i know what she says though) Because I thought he was town for not wanting to lynch me, and no one was coming onto prp. | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:15 Damdred wrote: and seriosily mocsta on a nom game level reply if you feel disrespected about how i said something we can talk about it post game. I really do not understand what i said that was disrespectful but i dont play like that. Lol, I think he's referring to you saying he should be ashamed for calling you mafia. But then...that's far less disrespectful (read: not at all in any way that I can understand) so maybe I'm wrong. | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:14 Koshi wrote: rsoultin left the wagon???? After I defended her and made her feel warm and fuzzy? The betrayel is noted. I still appreciate the warm and fuzzies, even if I probably don't deserve it this game lol >< | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:24 Koshi wrote: Why dont you know what you want to do 30 mins before lynch in a game in which you have the largest filter? I wanted ritoky's take on darth foley. Beyond that it was mostly nullish reads, so yeah -shrugs- | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:26 Koshi wrote: rsoultin why was he not mafia? I understand this is a shit question because he was mafia but I dont understand where this comes from. I never would have thought that you would leave the wagon. Why didnt you trust me? Town rsoultin would I think. We talked and bonded. Town rsoultin saw her counterwagon who was being lynched voting someone else at EOD. Town rsoultin couldn't fathom how that would come from scum. I do my own thing when I have strong reads (even wrong ones as it turns out), and always have. | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:31 Koshi wrote: k. Mderg played "poor" but if you are town he made you look so bad. wow... you are almost an autolynch. That being said. I have not seen a mafia look so incredible fucking horrible while a teammate was getting lynched. The "too scummy to be scum" heuristic is here in full force. lol >< You're telling me. I mean, once I flip town (or cop checks me) people need to look into darth foley. He showed his colors a bit when Holyflare decided to jump on the mderg wagon, and had the narrative out so fast it practically looked prepped. I don't know about the third but it pretty much has to be him. | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:39 Koshi wrote: No df is playing really good. As either alignment but more likely as town. Dont be silly pls. Well maybe I'm just bad but it's what makes the most sense to me. Just promise you'll at least consider the idea seriously before dismissing it if I get shot/lynched. | ||
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You're a robot. Let me not be a robot raaawwwrrr #@!@#! You guys are such awful #@$!heads for seeing the game the same way I do but having me in your poe. @truffle what, lol? @mocsta not really sure what you expect to get with that question but okay. I thought mderg was town and was getting lynched. I was trying to get people to move, and df and HF were too busy with a pretty irrelevant conversation (about who deserves credit for what if I recall). In retrospect it was probably never going to work, at least with df, but that's good since I was wrong lol >< | ||
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Joni seemed towny to me for pushing things for reasons like 'she should know not to talk to me this way because she knows I'd scumread her for it', 'no way he believes this he must be scum!' which to me are kind of the typical Joni reasons for thinking someone is scum that I tend to never find convincing. Also his prodding during the tunnel rather than just screaming about it. But frankly the mderg read was bad even before he flipped scum, and Joni has fooled me before recently. I just didn't think he'd bother with the smoke and mirrors because I'm not the dominant voice in the thread; I'm the only one now that Marv is gone who looks for inclusivity in his play I think. Though it's been awhile so that could have changed I suppose. Thinking mderg was town had everything to do with him not trying to push me for survival. No more complex than that. Pretty sure I've explained this numerous times by now? | ||
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On February 08 2018 16:58 Trfel wrote: And yes, I'm aware that the above "rsoultin is town" vote count analysis only really makes sense if mafia didn't have a huge thread presence at end of day. But that makes sense to me right now anyway. Not impressed by disformation's posts to this point. He was following the game before the flip, he said as much. Which means that if he is mafia, he was reading the game and trying to analyze it before getting his role PM. Absolutely nothing prevents him from sharing most or all of his (honestly generated) thoughts as mafia here. It'll take a bit of time to be able to read him, I think. That said, hi disformation, good to play with you again I don't really think that End of Day makes prplhz town. That means that he was here to have the chance to change his vote and didn't do it. So if you're saying that he's town, then you're saying that he was town and saw a close lynch while he's townreading rsoultin and didn't bother to vote onto a wagon? To me it's more likely that he wasn't here, or that if he was here he didn't know what to do/didn't care enough. Feels very non alignment indicative to me. I'm still slightly leaning town on prplhz for other reasons (here and here, though the second does rely on me being right that rsoultin is town), but he's just done so freaking little. So I guess the only real suspect for me is darthfoley. Rsoultin, you really think that Conversion is mafia here? His shitfit looks forced to me. | ||
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On February 08 2018 17:06 Trfel wrote: I gathered as much from your above post. I'll take it that's a yes though. We've been having scarily similar reads all game, except now you're scumreading one of my strongest townreads... Like is it just the explosion? Or is there more to it? That and his weird waffling. He came into the thread all idk idk what do I do but when he actually lays out his reads it was like: I have 1 reason to read mderg scum but this looks like his town game... And I have no reasons to read rsoul town except she posted It was just like well are are you confused about then? Seems like he needed an excuse to vote off the mderg wagon. | ||
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On February 08 2018 17:23 Holyflare wrote: He does it almost every game? Like this? I mean I remember a shitfight with btdt I think...maybe I should find that game again. | ||
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On February 08 2018 17:24 Holyflare wrote: It's probably frustrating to try and better yourself and your play to be met with the same results that you had previously. What, two people scumreading him? I think it was just koshi and mocsta. I know that emotions aren't logical by definition but I usually find the reasons for them make sense. | ||
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On February 08 2018 17:35 Trfel wrote: Wait you're right mderg was town last game >< All the same I stand by it. Post #717 (list post thing) is where he says mderg looked the same as his town game, but #719 and #780 could have led to a read flip IMO. Hm, looking deeper... Seems he committed to staying on rsoultin at about the same time mderg switched his vote from rsoultin to darthfoley. However, mderg said "I think my rsoultin scumread may actually be stupid here" 13 minutes previously. That's a huge, huge, huge miscommunication if they're mafia together. And if mafia was really trying to keep mderg alive, they could have asked mderg to vote to save himself; no one can ever be blamed for voting to save themself. I stand by the read. Like, if they're mafia together, then Conversion did set himself up for either voting mderg or rsoultin. He still went the opposite direction as mderg did. That's not a result of not knowing how to switch, that would only be the result of an incredible mafia team breakdown that I don't think is likely at all (much less something to scumread Conversion over). You might be right actually. I really don't see a scum Damdred though. The way he whined for my attention is just not something I see him doing when he knows how well I read him. Also, his vote on me makes just as little sense. I could see one scum between df/rayn assuming I was wrong on rayn, but not both. If Joni is scum the df lynch would be trying to push someone when the lynch on me started losing traction. I don't think they can ever be scum together. Your point on disinfo was good. I was liking him alright because it seemed like the lynch energized him, and hadn't thought about him following the game before. That just puts him at null though. Also kinda liking prp. Hf is always town here. Still like ritoky. If koshi is scum he's pocketed me so hard lol. You're posting smart truffle thoughts. As for mocsta...he's probably just town but I don't think I'll ever be sure of him. So in short unless I'm forgetting someone I must be wrong on my reads somewhere. | ||
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On February 08 2018 18:02 disformation wrote: *cough* *cough* but its cool. i gave all my creds to koshi already. confused why conv arbitrarily decided im tpwn gor it when he has mocsta and koshi as scum. or omgus targets. Lol you're right I totally forgot you were talking about it first. Yeah he was never calling them scum just...yeah. I'm not going to inflame that. | ||
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On February 08 2018 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: See Koshi here. " If anything, she plays to win, always." So playing to win is refusing to save herself over a guy who she has mafiaread just a while ago and the only reason not to is that mderg doesn't want to save himself?????? I've literally done this before. | ||
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Or I misremembered nvm. For some reason I thought I did this my first game here with HTS. Regardless, who else is scum? | ||
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On February 08 2018 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred, Conversion or disformation can be mafia i agree, if you are not. But rn i don't have any reason to think you're not mafia. I am a bit confused, are you scumreading me or not? I'm not as convinced you're town as most of my other townreads, and I think there's scum between you and Darth Foley. The mderg read was bad. I also don't understand your reaction to my df filter dive at all. I quote my read that was already posted and you apparently missed to you and you insta-vote me without explanation? | ||
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On February 08 2018 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta. I genuinely believe Mocsta slipped because he has slipped like that before. Also, what slip? Not that I really understood what you and Rels thought was a slip last game, but still. | ||
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On February 08 2018 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: uh oh... now i kinda think you're mafia. you've done this before when you write into mafia qt and then come to thread and forget which tags to use. Oh this lol. It went into the white noise part of my brain. If it's true it's kinda funny but I've done this like a million times myself because I posted on other forums that don't use the brackets so eh | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: See here is the thing - aside from all the mderg stuff. mderg read was bad... yeah ofc because he was scum, your read on mderg though, was that good? And your vote, yeah i guess it was really good or what? I think you're totally misinterpreting why i was voting for you. What i said early on in the game didn't go anywhere but somehow you magically just discard that. Then there is what Holyflare said, the post i quoted from him. I think it was a good summary of your play after i told you to go look for mafia. And yes, i don't remember your df post. If you made on it was not either convincing, or you didn't actually try to do anything with it. I went to your filter to confirm and at p4-5 yes you made a post on df but you seem more interested in talking about anything else than df. That doesn't resonate at all with what you did for example with Damerion or even df last game. So no, i don't believe yo uactually strongly thought he was mafia and if you didn't, it doesn't mean shit regarding my read on you since it is as likely you're just throwing shade as scum than it is that you are actually trying to scumhunt -- from my perspective i can't tell the difference so i find it extremely unfair you are trying to say i should have somehow seen it given that i already scumread you before. Holy defensive batman, lol. You asked about my read on you. I have it and why I wasn't townreadin you as much as my other t townreads. How do you get me saying you were only scumreading me because you didn't see my df read from that? I just wanted to know where the insta vote came from. Which you still haven't explained by the way. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:15 Mocsta wrote: Tina, im quite tired of hearing this. Let me (attempt) to put your mind at ease. Last game, i made 2 wall of text posts. One was to vote damdred, and the other was in Lylo as a reply. Please re look at that vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=12#226 Please look at the wall of text in this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=6#119 They are not the same whatsoever. You are getting too fixated on a specific event (large post), and not being rational towards whether they are similar. You say me as a good town should back off from you.. well guess what, i did. No matter I have done, you continue to be fearful. I could have easily left my vote on you last night.. however I did not. Unless you genuinely think there is even a 5% chance I bussed, you need to get over this. -pokes- You're confusing my issue with you with someone else. I've maintained from the beginning that this seems like NAI posting style. My issues with you are only little doubtful tickles that aren't worth repeating unless I can't find scum elsewhere. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:13 rsoultin wrote: Holy defensive batman, lol. You asked about my read on you. I have it and why I wasn't townreadin you as much as my other t townreads. How do you get me saying you were only scumreading me because you didn't see my df read from that? I just wanted to know where the insta vote came from. Which you still haven't explained by the way. To be clear I had you as town from your pushes on both me and df. It's the sort of psuhes I never like from you because I feel that you only catch scum that way by accident. But they're pushes that often come from a town Joni. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:26 Mocsta wrote: i dont want to shit the thread with this.. im saying. look at the two posts.. its actually 100% ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. anyways, if its of any consolation I am finding you starting to have that aura back. If you're town this game, which I still think is more likely than not, it may well be. They're at the very least cosmetically different lol. It's kind of cute how much you want me to stop having doubts on you. Kinda puppyish. <- That honestly means more to me than differences in wall posts when I haven't done a meta dive on you. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because that's what you said?!?!?!?!?!?!? I honestly can't believe you are so close-minded you can't figure out my vote came from like 20 of the same posts i made on you and the fact i said here: I wrote this AFTER i voted for you. I cannot believe you cannot connect these two things to why i was voting for you and instead you invent a "wow i can't see why he is voting for me" narrative. If you think my reasoning is bs then just say so, but don't say you dont know what my reasoning is because my filter up to that point is 90% of why i think you're scum. I'm finding it really difficult to believe that you honestly can't figure out that I'm asking about your sudden switch from df back to me. It looked impulsive. How hard is that to explain? | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Votewise correct. Thread sentiment doesn't suggest so. Yes it does. You should read it | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Furthermore, here is what i saw at the eod. Correct me if i am wrong as i was speedreading whenever i got a chance during work. Lynches were rsoultin or mderg. prplhz was thrown in as a third option. I personally thought prplhz was actaully in some kind of danger (like he had as many votes or close to rsoul/mderg) of getting lynched. The reason (Koshi mentioned this) i said i think prplhz is town in a post close to deadline is because i had actually no clue where the votes are and prplhz brought up shennies which i find to be dumb as scum (as i read mderg as town) since from my perspective the shennies would most likely end up on him. He could have just voted for mderg for some random reason (yes, he tends to do that -- i know it from experience, as mafia). Another thing is that noone was really pushing anything over rsoultin, other than mderg. Which is why i also find it more likely that rsoultin is mafia too. There was mderg -- rsoultin -- (prplhz). Which mafia team doesn't do anything in this situation in case only mderg is mafia? If we exclude prplhz why don't mafia vote for rsoultin or try to get her lynched instead? The only reasons in case rsoultin is town are semi-afk mafia at the time (rels slot, and i have to check on conv,ritoky,mocsta and damdred) or there is already a bus and crossed fingers (mocsta, possibly ritoky -- i don't believe anyone else here is bussing). But i don't find this scenario more likely than just that rsoultin is mafia, based on both mderg's and rsoultin's actions at the deadline. Koshi is quite obviously town. Trfel is quite obviously town. prplhz i talked about earlier, town. I believe darthfoley would have pushed rsoultin lynch more near the deadline in case he was mafia, if he is mafia with rsoultin the whole mafia teams play during whole D1 doesn't make any fucking sense at all so the only conclusion i can come to is that he is town. ritoky voted for mderg so he gets a pass for now. Holyflare could technically be scum if rsoultin is scum but i don't really believe D1 would have ended in a mafia lynch in case Holyflare is mafia, and he also voted for mderg, so town. Mocsta slipped, probably scum. Could bus. Already did so (although softly) last game. disformation nothing to say here. Damdred and Conversion. Conversion's tone sounds townie but idk if to trust that. Also Koshi i think made a decent case. Idk, tone says town, hard evidence says mafia. Damdred could be anything. I'd still roll with rsoultin and Mocsta. For all these pretty words your scumreads still amount to 1)retarded double mafia suicide instead of bussing for cred and 2)some guy posted <b> code instead of using brackets. And instead of engaging me when I'm being perfectly civil to try to rule you out, since I'm more suspicious of df anyway, you flip your top and saying I'm saying all kinds of things that I'm not. Your read on mderg was objectively bad. Own it. I own my shit. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:41 Mocsta wrote: @tina I still think your reasons to town read rayn are poor. You are essentially stating he is a terrible townie that is subject to tunneling. The thing is, you should re-read the post the rayn post below.. this was the first post that made me iffy about rayn; and of course, the whole mderg sequence of events seals the deal. For your reference, this type of mindset of how he addresses me is not very townie (or tunneled). Its why i asked later if he is this self-centered. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=10#197 ...Lol. I wouldn't use those words exactly but yes Joni and I fundamentally disagree on what makes people scum. Self-centered reads are kind of his thing. That and things like inconsistencies. What is it about you that you find weird in his post? I honestly do believe that he could scumread me just for being dismissive toward him as town. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because noone seemed to believe me it makes him mafia and i needed to leave. Well, it didn't. Fine, I guess. It just seemed like it was in response to my post, where I actually agreed on your read independently of, well your reasons. So it was confusing as shit. Your scumreads are super lazy though. Not to mention probably 100% wrong. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am confused by this because yes, if darthfoley is scum like you suggest it does make him mafia. Him being mafia does not mean your reason makes him mafia. Your reason makes no one mafia. It's like saying the sky is blue because it's full of blueberries. | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes very well thought out read, i can make a lot out of that. Best read ever \o/ | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:04 ritoky wrote: i could live in that world. dunno if i could live in the rsoul/mocsta world. that world seems too spicy. mocsta: "hey yo tina, you mind if i yell at you about an sk for like 20 pages." rsoul: "oh yeah let's do it." mocsta: "i'ma case you too gurrrrl you like mah case." rsoul: "put that thing away, but keep yelling!" I actually think scumming with mocsta would be super fun. All kinds of crazy shit going down. | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:18 Mocsta wrote: Well firstly, i take issue with the conversion town read. Lack of basis behind it and completely irrelevant to the main content of the post.. Its nitpicking but that should have been split off as a second post. Its like he wants that specifically in his filter, but to blend in. Then when talking to. hes addressing me in an odd way. Hes buttering me up, suggesting he town reads me and wants to let me down easy by saying, your case is crap! e.g. "you havent played much with tina so it makes sense you make a case like that"... for me this is totally illogical. a good point is a good point regardless of whom. So when he proceeds to continue the exact same points im getting alarm bells that this is non-genuine behaviour. see.. I think a town tunneled rayn would be more than happy i was riding the same direction.. whereas this scum!rayn is trying his best to accentuate his townish traits. Further, the item about damdred is stupid because as i pointed out prior, he answered the question for damdred, so the whole exchange is useless. The ritoky thing is acceptable to discuss, but not worthy of a scum read. To be fair, conversion was being discussed in the thread at the time and Joni had asked him a question. Also, maybe it's a lack of comprehension on my part but I don't recall you and Joni having the same reasons to scumread me? I thought you're was about fluidity while his was about how I treated him. I really don't like his defensiveness at my question when all he had to say was people weren't going with him in df and he had to leave, though. Also pointing to my vote moving off mderg where up until he suicides I'd been actively blocking shennannies talk. If he knew prp mentioned it, I find it strange that he didn't notice I said no to a Rels lynch right after. | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:44 Mocsta wrote: ermm. IIRC my entire point 1 was about the posts between you and him. doesnt really matter now game has well and truly moved on. as an aside, in case i bomb myself cos of a bus driver: main reason i dont think DF is scum is because as i said before, hes not confident as scum. last game,
his only other case was on btdt.. whom i suggested in the QT to attack everything else is defending his position on mocsta/btdt. this game he wrong about a lot, but has no fear to put himself out there. extremely town. Mm but but I like being right! Yeah I know that I need to revisit that. It's between him and Joni I think. Anyway, this is where I turn into a pumpkin. Toodles. May post over the next two days because I can't help myself but fully intending to spend as much time with Lex as possible. | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:40 Damdred wrote: I gave my first disformation townread before you reentered the thread yesterday after lynch btw. And honestly i dont even know what to think about you right now truthfully. Why were you so angry earlier? Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it doesn't align with what usually sets you off. Also I find it weird that you're not even considering a world where I'm town after townreading me earlier. Like I get that you think mderg is unlikely to do that if I'm town but you're good at reading me and I would at least expect some sort of consideration for multiple explanations even if you arrive at the same conclusions. Also, gg truffle | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote: What do you think? + Show Spoiler [my theory] + Is that Rayn is treating D2 like I did in the last game on D2 with HF (i.e. I wanted to intentionally shit the thread). I dont understand how anyone could find that contextually the most relevant post of 70+ pages to justify a lynch on. It is pretty awful, yes. Idk about intentionally shitting the thread though. This is fairly mild for Joni. | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:05 Mocsta wrote: to clarify, what is awful the <slip> or finding it the most relevant post? The scumread based on that in the first place. | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:35 Mocsta wrote: No, same situation as this game. Need in excess of 1 vote. The Disfo comments were a spit out from me without any filter diving Either way, im your 'pure" wagon town read, so why does it matter. This is my opinion as TOWN. perhaps you have come to the same conclusions as others on your own; but i still not identify any new insights. What do you agree about Rayn thought process? If its not clear to you, his top reads are rsoultin and mocsta. Or is it just the disinfo read that looks similar to yours? | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:25 Damdred wrote: Im going to break this down then. You are being a hypocrit mocsta, you say that i regurgitate all of my reads but you copy and paste hf argument that i explain and ignore when you are called out on it. And honestly no, you slipped back into the thread sentiment like you did last game and i just dont know what it makes you. And honestly i dont know what it makes you, idc about voting or not because unlike what most of the thread thinks about me im not stupid and can read the wall. -pokes- I don't think anyone thinks you're stupid, Ian? | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:31 Damdred wrote: Ok, im going to pretend just for a bit that i think you are town and I will try to work with you. Im just tired, idk id rather not talk about it in game anymore. So where do we start, lets start at my base stuff. Where am I wrong at tina to stary with? It's not a wrong thing. Obviously mderg didn't vote to save himself and he was scum. I was the counterwagon. I understand the logic fine even if I know it's wrong in this case. I just don't see you as the guy who doesn't consider multiple angles, especially when you were townreading me previously. I guess I want to know your thought process because I'm not seeing it. | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:42 Damdred wrote: Idk i feel like there is some kind of disconnect between what I am saying and pieces are being put against me in a way idk I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to say here? | ||
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Here instead of explaining yourself over a legitimate point you just erupt. The theory is that mderg came off his scummate to what? Save me or try to cause shennanies, right? Then why couldn't scum be on mderg? It would make more sense especially in the first scenario for that to be where scum is for you. I don't understand your reaction. | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:49 Damdred wrote: i dont know what im doimg wrong and why people cant understand me.... Like I can't tell if you're saying people are wrong, or you're being persecuted, or what? And really I'm mostly questioning what set you off regarding hf's response to your reads. | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:28 Mocsta wrote: OK, I shall dive for you. Overall a summary post. New insight are superficial comments with no basis behind it. This is a more "wall-of-text" version of mderg summary post that says a lot about nothing. As a reminder: Some of this reads like you're saying he's summarizing thread sentiment and some as if his reads are static. Is that correct? | ||
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On February 09 2018 10:09 Damdred wrote: idk what to say, things got under my skin. i feel like im saying things and the context is a bit cherry picked or later posts that explain what i mean is ignored. Nh. I'll accept this for now while going through filters is a pain in the butt on phone. Need to check something, though. It's getting too late for me here @.@ | ||
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On February 09 2018 10:19 Damdred wrote: DF is antagonistic in his scum game, for example I was getting warm on putting his partner calix up for lynch. He would then take little things and force a argument/fight to get me ofd the track I wanted to go on. It was extremely reminiscent of what he did against hf. He took a small thing and turned it into a larger thing and diverted the thread from discussinf the lynch into who cased tina first. It was pointless did not help town. Also as town he is usually what i consider a trailblazer. Mafia shoots him a lot early for beong right or looking in strange places. Here I sort od feel he just exists pretty static and hes sidelined. Now I think this is fair to say df was active eod however what he did, did not help scum either... but who knew that hf wasnt goingb to go rs. @hf could probably answer if df pushed him away from voting tina at all though. A little. Like, he questioned it, which is part of why I'm scumreading him. Mderg going to scum partner df for possible shennannies is weird, but no more weird than suiciding instead of trying to get me lynched or at least staying put. It does make me waffle a bit on df though. | ||
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On February 09 2018 10:26 Mocsta wrote: I suppose so. I have moved on from that for now. Trfel read conversion as strong town, and df (with damdred at end) as good scumspects. Im in the process of reevaluating my conversion/df position. Unfortunately, i wasnt around EoD1 so i dont get the same sense of urgency not being there (i.e. constant F5 lol). I probably have to collate thread with votes to best understand. sigh Yeah I think this doesn't matter much; it was obviously an impression that didn't turn out to be as strong on review. Thanks for playing ball...thought it might help me with Ian's alignment, but I think I have another way. Okay. I'm out. It's like 2:30am and my brains beginning to get lol | ||
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I honestly think that's probably what I will find upon review for another reason. Damdred has me as scum. His reason is the votes. He seems anything but sure who my supposed scum partner could be, yet he's not even trying to attempt to convince people that his read on me is right. He even had his strongest scumread as Darth Foley, and his reason for backing off was because this makes no sense with my being scum. How on earth was his biggest scumread darth foley if my alignment, i.e.scum convinces him that his read on his 'top' scumread is wrong? That's completely backwards. And unless Rayn (I was skimming but don't remember this detail precisely) hasn't been in the thread, how is he not screaming his head off about this? They share a scumread and Damdred wanted to lynch Rayn's townread over me. More to the point, in what world does Joni just not push me, his top scumread who can never be town according to him, today? A promise to koshi? Bullshit. He spends all D1 calling me scum, then wants to lynch darth foley for wording. He spends all N1 calling me scum then wants to lynch mocsta for using <b> instead of brackets. If this is a town Joni, I'll eat my shoe. Town Joni with a 100% scumread tunnels the shit of me until he gets my lynch, or maybe has to consolidate elsewhere. None of this meek voting for mocsta that has practically no chance of gaining any traction. Both Rayn and Damdred are equally good lynches. I'll be here most of tomorrow to poke into my question marks (especially Damdred's reaction to HF), but I'm pretty confident on this. | ||
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On February 10 2018 02:37 Damdred wrote: ummmm thats pretty shit tbh, first I said I was going to try to do things that didnt revolve around you being lock scum. And as for this part This is a misrepresentation slightly but just enough to try yo juatify a vote and makes it look like you never even read any of the things i poated last night. Lol >< I'm sorry yeah. I didn't remember the rest of your post you didn't just look at DF as if I were scum. Apologies. That's pretty bad. Skimming during down moments is a bad idea. | ||
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On February 10 2018 08:14 Mocsta wrote: rsoultin, can you summarise in one post where you are at. all i can see is 13 pages of "yes he is scum".. "o sorry i was skimming" A couple events by itself dont make you scummy; yet here we are on Day2, you dont have pressure, and there is no change in output. if you truly are pressed for time, there is much analysis this cycle, of which your feedback is appreciated. Scum between Rayn/df/damdred. The much analysis I'm clearly not processing fully by skimming on phone. I'll read more thoroughly tomorrow and you can prod all you want then. I was entirely transparent about not spending time on this these two days, so it should be obvious why I haven't been around. Obviously my Damdred point was completely wrong, but I don't think that negates my Joni read at all. | ||
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On February 10 2018 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am trying to talk directly to you Holyflare because talking to Koshi is like talking to a brick. It is quite funny actually that when Koshi happens to be right D1, if he doesn't die during night 1 the town is more likely to lose the game since he feels like a champion and completely unable to listen to anyone else. I tried for a while during N1 but then i decided to throw because i never even got to my point Koshi just pushed whatever he thinks was the correct idea. I am gonna try once more, if this goes to deaf ears then for all i care you can murder me because i don't really feel like playing let's see if Koshi finds mafia game. What i tried to heavily imply during night 1 is to not cop check rsoultin. I am not sure if there is a normal cop who checked rsoultin but a green on her should always be claimed (obviously red too -- but green yes, only on her). The reason is that rsoultin, if not confirmed green, is always the bast lynch D2. It doesn't even fucking matter if she flips town. Always lynch the counter-wagon who mafia refused to vote on to save themselves, always. Option 1: rsoultin flips town We can, in this situation always assume that everyone on mderg wagon are town. Mocsta could maybe bus but who cares, that's for later, never care about that until lylo. That leaves the following people, who either voted for rsoultin or off-wagon: Damdred darthfoley disformation Conversion raynpelikoneet prplhz You have a pool of 6 people who can be mafia. - If you have 2 blues in those, game over. Town wins. - If you have 1 blue in those, game over, town wins (2 lynches until lylo and mislynch every time -> 2 mafia 1 town in that pool in lylo) almost always, only retarded town loses here. - If you have zero blues there you have to actually make reads..... Let's see what we have here very quickly: Damdred - pushes the anti-mafia idea all N1 and D2 darthfoley - pushes the anti-mafia idea all N1 and D2 disformation - hasn't said anything, i don't even know if he has scumreads Conversion - Koshi sheeple and master of inconsistancies raynpelikoneet - you can think whatever you want prplhz - he could have technically even saved mderg with him, so is extremely unlike to be mafia The thing is, if you can even rule out ONE person there, who isn't mafia, you win the game. I can rule out fucking 3, easily. The dudes who push the anti-mafia idea. Ironically Koshi's lynch list at the moment is the three people who push the correct town play aka me/df/damdred. So yeah, go listen to Koshi if you want to. Option 2: rsoultin flips mafia Game opens up a lot, but who cares, we lynched mafia. The thing is Holyflare, rn three people say very very stupid stuff. rsoultin, Mocsta and disformation. disformation made a post where he suggested that i am mafia and i was either trying to bus df (over rsoultin lynch), or trying to find an alternative lynch. Vote situation at the time 5 on rsoultin, some random 1's on some random other people. You srsly think that conclusion makes any fucking sense in any world at all? Then there is his conversion read and how he ended up reading conversion and how he ended up explaining himself after. It smells super fucking bs. I genuinely believe Mocsta has slipped. Deal with it. I could possibly back off from that but everything that comes out of his keyboard so far is either copy of someone else or taking some post and inventing a (horrible) scum reasoning for it. Then there is the post where his #1 scumread (me) tells him that, and he somehow gets offended??? OF course i am trying to shit on his reads if i am mafia. I get Damdred getting emotionally "too invested" in the game and taking offense on something he shouldn't, but Mocsta, who himself continuosly tells other people they are bad? No fucking way. I don't even care to write about rsoultin because i don't see a single townie thing she has done this game. Koshi sees all the townie things ofc but i don't, so there is that. I only made my promise to Koshi because i was very annoyed at him, and i still am. If you happen to realize i have all day been sarcastic about it. I don't care what Koshi says, i don't care what he does, he can try to solve the game by himself if he wants to. Maybe he even can. But that will happen without me as he doesn't do anything but shit on everything someone he doesn't like in this game for whatever reason says. So yeah, there is that. #unvote ##vote rsoultin I don't care what alignment she is, it is just the correct play based on D1 end. Do whatever you want to, my vote stays. So you figured out your mistake after I pointed it out did you scumpelikoneet? I was expecting a reaction like this far sooner. Let's rumble! @thread lynch me first of you have to, then lynch rayn for not soon this in the first place because he's scum, know I'm town and doesn't actually care who is scum this game. I'll take tomorrow finding the third for y'all | ||
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On February 10 2018 08:32 Holyflare wrote: I think rayn is absolutely town and you're all shit for thinking otherwise. Rayn is absolutely not town and I'll Lord it over you forever (Or until I forget lol) | ||
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On February 10 2018 08:35 Holyflare wrote: It's a good thing you're very convincing this game. Doesn't matter. Lynch Joni after I flip town. It's on you if you don't and you can't blame me at that point. | ||
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On February 10 2018 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Me too, i also think rsoultin jsut started doign the thing she always does as mafia. I won't bite because i don't have time for it. -pokes- I'm going to bed actually. Please note folks that he only started this after I called him out for it. | ||
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On February 10 2018 08:39 Holyflare wrote: But you've given absolutely 0 reason for me to lynch him over you so why would I? I'm still waiting on the damdred posts too. And you will until tomorrow. I don't disagree with lynching me. It's best for town. I know I'm town, and he wasn't pushing for my lynch when he claimed I was definitely scum. I call him on it, suddenly it starts. Lynch me first. Then lynch him. Simple. | ||
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Here he's all about how I can't be town after day one but was pushing mocsta for something equally bs. He's not looking to lynch his top scumread. He's looking for who he can get lynched. I'm super hard to lynch. If I need to get lynched for you to see it I'll do so happily. | ||
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On February 10 2018 08:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ah so you played the "you can never vote for me unless you are scum" -card. Clever. Lol no I'm calling you out on not drinking your own coolaid. | ||
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On February 10 2018 09:28 Holyflare wrote: I want rsoultin to make a case for me to vote rayn. And also explain damdred. I don't know how to get people to understand it from my perspective. I tried. It's not in me to write the big shiny cases that amount to 'vote her for info she hasn't done anything townie'. The thing is, the stupid reasons for calling people scum this game that Joni has - I addressed him wrong! because I'd know he'd scumread me for that as town so would never ever do such a thing - DF said he believed Joni was wrong and he should know whether Joni is wrong or not - Mocsta posted coding and says stupid things Are all totally reads I could see him making as town. It wasn't as obvious to me Day one, but it's the weight of the reads that don't make sense at all. If nothing I do is townie and everything I do looks scummy or at best null, pushing for a DF lynch for that wording (while Joni could believe that makes DF scum as town) over me just never happens. Pushing for a mocsta lynch over me really never ever ever happens. And it's hilarious that it takes me pointing it out and then he comes in and tries to claim that oh he was only being sarcastic for the last 72ish hours or so, he actually does want to push me now. Joni is never town here. And if you can't see it from this, I don't think I can help you see it. The best I can do is flip so that you know this read is real. Like I don't know why he left off pushing me. Maybe thread sentiment was making it clear that people weren't as certain on me. Maybe that's when mderg was being talked about more. Maybe he was out smoking and thought wouldn't that be fun for the lolz. I guess I can look back into that. But none of it matters at all. Town Joni doesn't do this. It's just like it was with Damerion. It doesn't matter if it was ideal or not if people simply don't do something as town. Damdred incoming. I still have the best read on him on the site, so I owe you guys nothing less. I'm not going to bother playing a game where a bunch of townies are too lazy to think about the game and try to find scum for themselves though. I'll give you at least one and you can bellyache about how bad I was this game if you want. Way more fun to spend my last day with Lex before he goes back to work \o/ | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 05:31 Damdred wrote: I just explained why i voted rsoultin. Sometimes i think you skip posta for lolz df. On February 08 2018 07:00 Damdred wrote: Firstly, I dont talk to people in a disrespectful way and I expect even if someone disagrees with something I said to speak to me the same way I would speak to them. Now at the time I made this post I was not sure what way I was flowing and tried to interact with people about my reads. So yes I thought you could potwnrially be scum for the way you are soft pushing me for being sick. And so I had no way of knowing wat mderg would flip. Which yes at least foe tommorow everyone on mderg is town. On February 08 2018 07:15 Damdred wrote: and seriosily mocsta on a nom game level reply if you feel disrespected about how i said something we can talk about it post game. I really do not understand what i said that was disrespectful but i dont play like that. On February 08 2018 09:19 Damdred wrote: Koshi your answers yoi just asked are literally already in my filter. Way to cherry pick though. I grill mderg and he literally comits suicide by voting off of tina and gives himself the only shot of being lynched. I explained to tina amd df I believe in my filter I did not believe mderg would flip scum and I consolidated on tina. And out of Tina and Mderg, mderg looked more townie doing whatever and he is going to die then tina doing the same thing and not being in danger. After reads post: [spoler] On February 09 2018 00:58 Koshi wrote: Well Damdred is going for the 2 mafia make themselves look like utter shit to vote on the third mafia scenario. On February 09 2018 01:18 Damdred wrote: [/spoiler]i had things typed out but i dont feel like fighting with koshis ego or why he treats everyone like aecondary citizens. Anyway lunch with brandi be bacl Computer says town. Between mocsta and koshi's attitudes beforehand and others not reading, the reaction makes sense. Totally wouldn't at all otherwise. Ian is trying to be less emo in his town games and is fully aware that these emotions are hard for him to replicate as scum (which yes, translates to knowing he needs to make emo posts as scum). Further, they don't actually link to people scumreading him. They link to people putting him down and not paying attention to his reads. Ciao folks. Good luck. HF will be confirmed when I flip town. Never lynch Damdred. Always lynch Joni next. (And if you guys honestly think that case that wasn't a case just a longwinded explanation of why lynching me would help you know where to look for scum - duh! see any game literally ever played - I don't know what to say. Maybe it's the town I deserve after my craptastic early D1 this game.) Not sure who the second is, probably wouldn't be right anyway. | ||
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On February 10 2018 17:08 rsoultin wrote: Before reads post. + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 05:31 Damdred wrote: I just explained why i voted rsoultin. Sometimes i think you skip posta for lolz df. On February 08 2018 07:00 Damdred wrote: Firstly, I dont talk to people in a disrespectful way and I expect even if someone disagrees with something I said to speak to me the same way I would speak to them. Now at the time I made this post I was not sure what way I was flowing and tried to interact with people about my reads. So yes I thought you could potwnrially be scum for the way you are soft pushing me for being sick. And so I had no way of knowing wat mderg would flip. Which yes at least foe tommorow everyone on mderg is town. On February 08 2018 07:15 Damdred wrote: and seriosily mocsta on a nom game level reply if you feel disrespected about how i said something we can talk about it post game. I really do not understand what i said that was disrespectful but i dont play like that. On February 08 2018 09:19 Damdred wrote: Koshi your answers yoi just asked are literally already in my filter. Way to cherry pick though. I grill mderg and he literally comits suicide by voting off of tina and gives himself the only shot of being lynched. I explained to tina amd df I believe in my filter I did not believe mderg would flip scum and I consolidated on tina. And out of Tina and Mderg, mderg looked more townie doing whatever and he is going to die then tina doing the same thing and not being in danger. After reads post: + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2018 00:58 Koshi wrote: Well Damdred is going for the 2 mafia make themselves look like utter shit to vote on the third mafia scenario. On February 09 2018 01:18 Damdred wrote: i had things typed out but i dont feel like fighting with koshis ego or why he treats everyone like aecondary citizens. Anyway lunch with brandi be bacl Computer says town. Between mocsta and koshi's attitudes beforehand and others not reading, the reaction makes sense. Totally wouldn't at all otherwise. Ian is trying to be less emo in his town games and is fully aware that these emotions are hard for him to replicate as scum (which yes, translates to knowing he needs to make emo posts as scum). Further, they don't actually link to people scumreading him. They link to people putting him down and not paying attention to his reads. Ciao folks. Good luck. HF will be confirmed when I flip town. Never lynch Damdred. Always lynch Joni next. (And if you guys honestly think that case that wasn't a case just a longwinded explanation of why lynching me would help you know where to look for scum - duh! see any game literally ever played - I don't know what to say. Maybe it's the town I deserve after my craptastic early D1 this game.) Not sure who the second is, probably wouldn't be right anyway. EBWOP: I can't spell spoiler ;o; | ||
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On February 10 2018 17:39 Mocsta wrote: not sure if coming back tina Would like a final read on DF please. Don't know, don't care. Joni is scum | ||
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Damdred the cruel betrayer is still town. Last post and wont be here for deadline. Enjoy lynching town | ||
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That said, town did a good job of showing themselves town and not imploding. | ||
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On February 14 2018 05:13 Damdred wrote: meh its not your fault tina we ended up not being able to play on each other. I was to sick and town fixated on a couple things d1-2 that caused it to just make it impossible even in a long game. Lol >< I'm allowed to feel bad for not even giving the town a challenge. Though I suppose they probably enjoy the ego boost more  Also, koshi, I really was flattered by that comment day one ♡ | ||
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On February 14 2018 05:18 Mocsta wrote: Im glad my bomb claim drew an rb Lol only cause I thought it might be masking something real. Won't make that mistake again | ||
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I thought he was being obviously faking blue to misdirect ;o; when he was just obviously faking. Rude. | ||
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On February 14 2018 05:23 Mocsta wrote: In the end Vt dont care sk Ritoky was right 1 post can make someone irrevocably town or scum! Interesting game though snd for me highlights importance of wagon timing. First 24hrs rarely remain. Ppl get too itchy for a variety of reasons -shrugs- I'm not sure I wouldn't still make that joke as town. I know I would have treated Joni the same. As town I probably would have made a thousand shinier posts than I did in this game, so.. I only argue because I don't want to be mislynched in future by blueberry sky arguments. DF, Conversion and HF had it right though. It's moving the game forward that I'm awful at as scum and do naturally as town. They get cookies. | ||
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On February 14 2018 05:25 Mocsta wrote: I thought you recovered ok tina. Main problems beng 2 fold. 1. Too much filler in 12 pages. Even after being let off for 48hrs. 2. Too good a game prior.. Yup, the filler @.@ That said I can play without ignoring scummates now \o/ small improvements | ||
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On February 14 2018 05:28 ritoky wrote: clearly i carried. especially the last day, where i was on call and forgot to vote damdred, then slept through the day. I just couldn't call you scum Too much sense you made. | ||
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On February 15 2018 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont understand. It was literally pointed out that i should not focus on finding logical flaws which is exactly the reason why i didnt vote for Damdred last day, because i ignored logical flaws... I am not sure why i should learn from comments like that? You do try to adjust; that's true. As with anything else, it depends on the player and the context @.@ I think it was just unnecessary to repeat what ritoky had already said in a more critical way when mocsta arguably had a game as successful as yours this game. Also ♡ mocsta. I would have liked a chance to play together as town, though! Ciao. | ||
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On February 16 2018 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta had a better game than i did. Lol even so. I may have been being politic But hell, practically everyone did better than me! \o/ | ||
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