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thinking about it.
What's the query in that post ?
On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: & Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT
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On January 31 2018 19:29 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 18:15 Rels wrote:
I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense. The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side 
the moment I start being lynchable you leave my side bro
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On January 31 2018 19:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 19:31 Rels wrote:thinking about it. What's the query in that post ? On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred & On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT ok, query was wrong word. moreso, I thought this series of observations would have at least raised a reply of some form. re: koshi.. i get the narrative that mderg is raised to #1 Rels suspect; which lowers koshi suspcion levels but... i dont get any understanding of why suddenly that defaults to him being town.. especialy when mderg is not hard scum in your eyes. he has effort but its how he is doing it, means nothign to me... especially since i agreed with your statement that much of it is easy to fake/superficial. i dont see how in 11hrs you go about face... pocketing, no?
Don't have much to say. I would arguee that me reverting my townread on Damdred shows a will to solve the game. I explained why I couldn't switch back to DF here:
On January 31 2018 18:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 16:25 justanothertownie wrote:On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred & On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT Yes, initially (when I was just glancing over the game at times and wasn't playing yet) I thought the investment of Rels in the lynch was kinda towni. Knowing alignments I take issue with how he essentially jumped between the town lynches ignoring the mafia wagon. I would have voted DF if prp had voted DF. I couldnt' switch to DF when I didn't want to lynch Damdred 'cause that wouldn't have saved Damdred - only option was BTDT.
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On January 31 2018 20:06 Mocsta wrote:Rels, My focus is not on why you swapped wagons; rather, the interaction with Damdred in respect to DarthFoley.Re: prplhz i.e. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:10 prplhz wrote:
I will vote beentheredonethat. He's a veteran but I haven't played with him and he's got some votes. Would vote with rsoultin but she's voting darthfoley and I'm not lynching him D1 before reading the thread. I'll be more active, promise. Also Mocsta is scum for voting me.
##Vote beentheredonethat I dont get the point of the post 11 days later re trying to save Damdred.Like, did you think Damdred/BTDT/DF were all town, of which BTDT was more expendible? Again, my whole observation is that your read on DF is 'murky' to be polite during this passage of play - arguably very critical for scum. In particular when combined with: Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:49 Rels wrote:
Damdred / prp / DF would explain prp's vote.
Why don't you understand ?
I initially had scumreads both BTDT and DF, more so on BTDT than on DF.
Then I reread Damdred's explanation and I find it very unlikely + prp votes BTDT. So in that context, Damdred / prp / DF makes sense as a team, with prp voting with neither of his partners.
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On January 31 2018 20:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:10 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 20:06 Mocsta wrote:Rels, My focus is not on why you swapped wagons; rather, the interaction with Damdred in respect to DarthFoley.Re: prplhz i.e. On January 20 2018 08:10 prplhz wrote:
I will vote beentheredonethat. He's a veteran but I haven't played with him and he's got some votes. Would vote with rsoultin but she's voting darthfoley and I'm not lynching him D1 before reading the thread. I'll be more active, promise. Also Mocsta is scum for voting me.
##Vote beentheredonethat I dont get the point of the post 11 days later re trying to save Damdred.Like, did you think Damdred/BTDT/DF were all town, of which BTDT was more expendible? Again, my whole observation is that your read on DF is 'murky' to be polite during this passage of play - arguably very critical for scum. In particular when combined with: On January 20 2018 08:49 Rels wrote:
Damdred / prp / DF would explain prp's vote. Why don't you understand ? I initially had scumreads both BTDT and DF, more so on BTDT than on DF. Then I reread Damdred's explanation and I find it very unlikely + prp votes BTDT. So in that context, Damdred / prp / DF makes sense as a team, with prp voting with neither of his partners. the scum read on DF is new to me. That aside, this is making my head hurt. So that timestamp for damd/prp/df team lines up with when you REVOTED damdred So if you are floating between damdred/prp as lynches.. why not stay fixed on DF who was in your scum team regardless? im not following. especially cos "damdred doesnt claim" suddenly then, calls for everyone to jump off.
Cause I was sure Damdred was scum when i revoted. I reread his explanation of the "like" situation and found it dumb, so I was pretty convinced he was scum. I was not floating between Damred / prp as lynches, I wanted to lynch Damdred at that point, and prp voting the coutnerwagon not long after made me make that comment about "Damdred / prp / DF".
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On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content.
that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves.
D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch.
D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity:
On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at.
D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus.
D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus.
D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus.
So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason.
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On January 29 2018 21:23 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 20:55 Mocsta wrote:On January 29 2018 17:32 justanothertownie wrote:On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
I would really love to hear those reasons to townread mderg and Rels that are stronger than the rb thing. Unfortunately, i dont have any time tonight to go into further detail. TLDR is that I went back to Day1 as this was the most natural day. All the other ones had events that are difficult to discern motive: e.g. prplhz lynch; cop-claim; predetermined lynch. Day1 has some really quirky/interesting interactions between DF/Damerion and remaining player group.mderg has been lone wolf all game; and I dont see how this play carries a team to victory. it relies on lots of luck. I stand by hipster townie. Rels I will try to flesh out more in the morning if i get time. One caveat is that I have yet to read former games whether either player has been mafia. mderg did say he can be top-tier scum so i am curious if knowledge of townies changes his playstyle dramatically instead of being a "wanderer" in this game. I agree BTDT is a non-issue unless LYLO presents; and I dont think its of benefit to discuss him further. I more raised that as item of note if it gets that far. My top tier scum comment should not be taken too seriously. While I consider myself better scum than town the comment was more about rsoultin picking out by far my worst scum game. That could have led to an incorrect meta of me being a godawful scum player. I've had one scum game where I did play some hipster scum playstyle similar to what this would be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=mdergI also used a fake rb claim to lead town astray in that game, similar to what btdt might be doing.
From this mafia game of yours, I don't know if the "follow town leader" strategy matches, but the tone matches.
Thought from skimming a town game of yours ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?user=mderg&view=all ) you have a similar tone as town. So it doesn't prove anything. But it shows that you can be like that as scum.
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On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads.
that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true.
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On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me.
well, yes you did. That's not even debatable.
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On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:
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Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you?
Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not.
You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely.
OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point.
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On January 31 2018 23:15 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:
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Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday.
^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point. Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well?
yeah I can see it's totally bland and non-scummy. The perfect way to play to not get into trouble anytimes. I wouldn't though - I always fight for my lynch. D2 for example, I thought prp was scum. If I was in your position of believing more in a Damerion / HF world, I would have fought harder for Damerion than just voting for him.
You, you're just here, with perfect reads that aligns for what's happening in the thread. Not fighting against consensus like Kmatt. Not getting angry at people that don't understand you like Mocsta. Just perfect.
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On February 01 2018 00:16 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:19 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:15 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:
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that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves.
D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch.
D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity:
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D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus.
D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus.
D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus.
So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point. Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well? yeah I can see it's totally bland and non-scummy. The perfect way to play to not get into trouble anytimes. I wouldn't though - I always fight for my lynch. D2 for example, I thought prp was scum. If I was in your position of believing more in a Damerion / HF world, I would have fought harder for Damerion than just voting for him. You, you're just here, with perfect reads that aligns for what's happening in the thread. Not fighting against consensus like Kmatt. Not getting angry at people that don't understand you like Mocsta. Just perfect. You're completely misrepresenting what I'm saying. The whole conversation was about me just going with the town consensus. Then you start using what I've said as if I was using that as some jusification for not having fought much about my preferred day2 lynch.
? I'm not trying to misrepresent anything you're saying. I'm stating why I think you're scum.
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lol. I always have a awful D1 as town, I don't know what to do. And I never state or change my reads without explanation as scum. So everything you quoted makes me town.
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anyway I'm really tired so I'm gonna go to sleep soonish. If I'm lynched, I think mderg is scum. Like, 90% sure I think.
I cannot see Mocsta being scum.
I can see Koshi being scum, but if he is he's playing well now. But he can definitely tryhard for a few days as scum. What pushed me is that host WIFOM thing. I still think scum don't get replaced like that when the game cuold just have ended with a modkill. It doesn't make sense to me. I think it makes Koshi 90% town. I would be way less sure if it was Mocsta vs Koshi, but mderg's filter shows the gameplan. It shows the "not making waves" attitude. It makes 100% sense for him to be scum, just waiting patiently in his corner until he wins.
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On February 01 2018 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Well... with this votecount we are lynching Rels so I am ok being town hero.
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You're the only one voting besides me
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Oh yeah. I guess mocsta is modkilled too, so it's game over if it stays like that. Unless mderg also missed a vote earlier ... But I don't think he did
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Oh no mocsta didn't miss a vote either.
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On February 01 2018 08:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 08:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Hmmm... seems like my vote doesn't really matter right now. well i would prefer if you werent modkilled. taht would end the game too.
Why, do you think I'm town ?
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I think mocsta just slipped
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