Newbie Student Mafia XXVI

On June 03 2017 08:18 Blazinghand wrote:
26536752 mod 13 is 8, Vivax is the RNG for to day (since although being in slot 6, he is in fact the 8th person if you count the two newbies)

On June 03 2017 12:49 Vivax wrote:
Morning.

I think TW has rolled scum again cause his opening post is exaggeratedly aggressive but the followup doesn't carry the same conviction. I don't think he has much faith into his own argument and keeps reluctantly dragging it along afterwards to keep the appearance.

Tone just doesn't appear natural and relaxed to me since we just started out.

Do you agree y/n?

On June 03 2017 16:08 Vivax wrote:
I don't think it was that obvious like for Grack that TW wasn't using that to form a scumread instead of using that to criticize Tube without scumhunting purposes.

On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote:
the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow.

he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town.

he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit.

he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do.

he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game?

dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted.

On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).

On June 04 2017 08:38 Vivax wrote:


There's enough info in the thread RN and I still don't have the feeling that you're trying to do much with it, but you keep noticing it every time whenever you are adressed.

Like, no opinion on HF, fidei. You do give out a bunch of reads but there's barely any explanation behind them. You keep coming back to BHs RNG as even if it mattered anything if he explained where the number came from.

No hint at all that you're having fun or are invested whatsoever into the game. Others sort of have a tone to them, you don't. You just seem completely unemotional.

If you think you have a reason to be like this and realize it, then be open about it, but if you told me that you are like you always are as town, I'd have a hard time believing it.

On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice

On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:













YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG

On June 04 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm not talking about your read on me, Grack. Screw your read, that's irrelevant bull crap. I'm talking about the fact that you were trying to fake lack of knowledge about or familiarity with my RNG. You're caught in a lie and trying to talk about something else, but everyone knows you're lying about my RNG now, you DID know about it, you've played with it, youv'e argued about it. You can't wiggle out of this one buddy.

On June 04 2017 05:53 Grackaroni wrote:
Also BH you know you can't random lynch in newbie games. Plus you never told me how you generated the number. I think the post id disappeared from the old method you used to use.

On June 04 2017 09:58 Holyflare wrote:




I want to highlight how disingenuous this second post is by the way. The first post Tumblewood references that Grack is town because he always post gems of analysis when he is town, which Grack has done none of.

The second post states that TW has small glimmers of mindmeld with Grack. None of this was referenced at all previously in his reason to town read Grack. It was only when he got called out.

Please point to where you mindmeld with Grack, TW.

On June 04 2017 21:09 Holyflare wrote:
How on earth is my LS argument scummy/bad when:


B) it's something I think makes him look bad.
A) I'm not even calling him mafia for it.

On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing.
The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too.


This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion.


I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town.


That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting?

On June 04 2017 22:31 Fidei86 wrote:
But isn't there a pretty good argument that it was weird that PB took BH's RNG nonsense so seriously? It jarred with me too. It's pretty thin gruel for a scum read. And the rest of your case is pretty garbage - where do you actually come out on your read?

On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
What does "prods the new player" mean? As you might've realized, I'm not a native speaker.

On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.

Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that?

On June 05 2017 05:30 Holyflare wrote:


Assassination Mafia - 0 RNG lynch proposed, only starts any semblance of analysis at day 2 of game.

Noir Mini mafia - 0 RNG lynches proposed.

Here's the relevant ones that I mention when I say sometimes he just does nothing and that makes him a complete coin flip:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand

Blazinghand, shot night 2 - pushes joke posts in favour of his RNGd lynch - town

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Blazinghand

Blazinghand - [M][N] Mini Mafia: The kinda Vanilla Experience Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6 - RNG into analysis with a 20 page filter

it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be at all and none of your links contained his RNG








[M][N] Mini Mafia: The kinda Vanilla Experience Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6 - 20 page filter of content
[T] Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Mafia Inspector G. Lestrade Survived Night 4 - 13 page filter of content

the point you raise that BH isn't posting content and is therefore mafia is bull shit because the last 2 games he has been mafia he has in fact been posting content non-stop

On June 05 2017 05:39 Holyflare wrote:


yes

he did that as town

like pushing the thing on you this game

no?

On June 05 2017 05:53 Holyflare wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=Blazinghand&view=all

page 1 and the first bit of day 2 are day 1 of that game and he was so up for lynch he was forced to claim blue day 1

checkmate

On June 05 2017 05:56 ritoky wrote:
grack who is mafia?

On June 05 2017 06:14 ritoky wrote:


TAKE A GUESS

it's like pulling damn teeth this game

On June 05 2017 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
plzzz
I'm almost forced to town read ritoky for being the only one seeing sense in this game and I don't want to do that

On June 05 2017 06:20 Holyflare wrote:


I don't care about my other reads? What? Did you even read the last page?

On June 05 2017 07:06 Blazinghand wrote:


You lied and are pretty likely to be scum. People even admit you're lying but don't think it makes you scum. Very frustrating. Sigh

On June 05 2017 07:29 Blazinghand wrote:


I have a big reputation but I doubt I'm an above average player these days

Anyways I'm just feeling low key I guess. Didn't expect to be in so soon

On June 05 2017 07:35 Tumblewood wrote:
you know, if we wanted we could lynch onegu for not doing shit

On June 05 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
i'll lynch bh

On June 05 2017 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
where is LS solving the game?

On June 05 2017 08:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm going to consolidate to Prison Break.

On June 05 2017 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
ARE WE SHENANNIING ONTO FIDEI? I DON'T WANT TO DIE AND I DON'T WANT THE BLUE TO DIE SO PLEASE ASNWER

On June 05 2017 10:33 Prison Break wrote:
The vote switches happened last min or so, when I was trying to post my post which got flood control'd

Anyway I like Onegu, Tubesock, Tumblewood (claim ofc) for town. Not sure if I like vivax going from tumblewood to me etc.

Grack switching from me to Fidei is weird. Grack, can you explain to me why you did this? Especially since we kind of wanted each other dead. Was it a "one of them is scum", or, is there anything reason for this?

Grack: "HF might be scum for still thinking Fidei is scum. It's hard to be that self-righteous as scum. I think I gave him/her an asthma attack."

Grack to HF: "You're pushing Vivax for going against your reads which you don't even care about anymore because Vivax is scummier for opposing you?"

I'm really not sure what to make of this or what to think of you. Like are you just tunneled on HF or do you still think he's scum? That said you did say "I'm not looking to switch to HF he seems fine to me minus the pretty useless shit fight between you two earlier. His case on TW had good points even though he overlooked other things about Tumblewood." .

Do you think I could still be scum or does Fidei flip change that? I also want to know the reason you switched to me. Was it a post I made, or the fact I wasn't online? I'd say I wasn't online all the time last game either, but i was mafia there, so is that a reason you scumread me based on "meta"?

I did like that you called beentheredonethat out, do you think he is scum right now?

On June 06 2017 04:04 ritoky wrote:


i still like this too. maybe i should read gracks filter

On June 04 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote:
fidei what are your reads on LS and HF?

On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.



btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.

On June 05 2017 03:55 ritoky wrote:


I would like an answer to this.

On June 05 2017 08:58 ritoky wrote:
people are voting fidei cuz?

On June 06 2017 04:39 ritoky wrote:


I mean the difference between me and you is that I basically had no read on fid, and if you want the real reason for that it is because fid posted shit about london in the community thread so i kinda felt like i should just give the benefit of the doubt that there's shit going on there. while you had a read strong enough to potentially call hf mafia for not having the same read, then proclaimed that it wasn't strong and you were content voting on fid.

On June 06 2017 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
I mean let's get down to the crux of it. I was right on Fidei and Grack was bad.

On June 04 2017 08:48 Prison Break wrote:
Voted beentheredonethat

Didn't like his initial "response" to me + his follow-up.

"shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game."

Excuse to not take responsibility for bad plays so people aren't allowed to scumread him based on "bad play"

also a lot of other excuses for no play

"I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much"

"no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner

yes I'm going to bed now

no I'm not scum"

this is lazy play at best, but I could see it being scummy play as well. making a few pushes, laying low, mentioning it multiple times which could be overcompensating (afraid people will look into it? we're in the beginning stages of the game so I doubt this many excuses are needed)

saying he's not scum obviously isn't a solid defense either

also to clarify my stance on Fidei86, I think what he did could be scummy, and "moving the game forward" was a possible counterargument. But I'm not saying he's actually moving the game forward, it was something I was considering at the moment and wanted to give more time. Fidei86 instantly gave beentheredonethat towncreds (while multiple people were suspicious of it), which stands out, as well as beentheredonethat "attacking me" after I "attack" Fidei86. Possible scumteam?

My 2nd choice to vote right now would be Fidei86. I think both Fidei86 and beentheredonethat are good vote choices right now.

On June 06 2017 04:58 Holyflare wrote:
PB is the guy that bussed me 24/7 last game and won it for us so I have no idea why you think his meek push makes him town when you were in that game

On June 06 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote:


I don't think I did this. What I said was:

1) your read on fid was strong enough that you accused hf of potentially being mafia just for not sharing the same read as you -> then later you claimed to not have a strong read on fid at all. so then why is hf potential mafia for not sharing a weak read of yours?

2) you wanted to lynch onegu minutes before sheeping his read.

3) you wanted to lynch onegu, then pb, then and only after those didn't materialize and there was an obvious tide flocking to fid did you move to fid. to me that indicates that you wanted the shennanie to land on other people first.

And regarding "I change my reads frequently" that's really not a good thing sometimes, what have you done for me recently is kinda a crappy heuristic. Sometimes people just do shit that makes them town or mafia forever.

On June 06 2017 04:04 ritoky wrote:


i still like this too. maybe i should read gracks filter

On June 06 2017 05:07 ritoky wrote:
? so i made a good case on btdt that convinced you to consider him, before he made the emotional play, thus i am mafia?

i am town therefore i am mafia?

can we lynch inside the vote tomorrow? i know we shouldn't but can we please?

On June 06 2017 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:


??? what's my "fault"? We lynched scum D1, everything went great, I don't know why you'd seem displeased with the D1 outcome...

...unless...

On June 06 2017 09:13 Holyflare wrote:
Also grack I'm sorry you rolled mafia this game buddy. Thanks for telling me there's no rber though.

On June 06 2017 09:52 Holyflare wrote:
Nah this is boring. I rescind.

The fact tw didn't die annoys me and probably means it's bh or vivax.

On June 06 2017 12:10 Prison Break wrote:


So you're here for self-preservation only? Or am I reading this wrong.

On June 06 2017 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:

This is a framing!

On June 06 2017 06:22 ritoky wrote:
grack thought i was mafia for calling him mafia, then went into my filter with that conclusion looking for reasons to justify it. not town mindset or progression.

On June 06 2017 13:14 ritoky wrote:


like i said your narrative for me being mafia is "he called me mafia! oh and he quoted this post onegu made 2 days ago that i didn't care about, but now i do; cuz he plotted to lump me in with fidei in the off chance onegu became confirmed town and fidei died! also he made a really convincing case on btdt that i agreed with, makes him mafia too."

town find evidence and draw conclusions from it. you make conclusions and try to find evidence and warp a narrative to fit your constructed worldview, that's just basic mafia mindset.

On June 06 2017 13:23 ritoky wrote:
why the hell would i care about my image as town?

On June 06 2017 13:31 ritoky wrote:
why do i even try? it's not like i am going to convince the guy that he is mafia even if he is. just moving on from this after this post, i reached my conclusion and unless there's something drastic i don't think it will change.

"i would expect you as town to realize that you..." is all about image. it says "if you're town you would have considered previous stances before posting" which is literally the opposite of how you play town where you spew your frontal lobe into the thread without a second thought. you're saying i am mafia for being town again. it's w/e over it.

On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote:
yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim

but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die)

On June 06 2017 13:36 Grackaroni wrote:

No it has absolutely nothing to do with image.

If you don't make any posts about fidei I can infer that you didn't have very strong feelings about Fidei. That makes you calling me out for not giving an opinion on a player that you didn't have strong feelings about but who just happened to turn out to be scum pretty questionable, especially before his flip.

That post triggered my radar, and then your follow up was a completely slanted narrative rather than someone interested in trying to find out my alignment. That makes me want to lynch you.

On June 06 2017 13:14 ritoky wrote:


like i said your narrative for me being mafia is "he called me mafia! oh and he quoted this post onegu made 2 days ago that i didn't care about, but now i do; cuz he plotted to lump me in with fidei in the off chance onegu became confirmed town and fidei died! also he made a really convincing case on btdt that i agreed with, makes him mafia too."

town find evidence and draw conclusions from it. you make conclusions and try to find evidence and warp a narrative to fit your constructed worldview, that's just basic mafia mindset.

On June 06 2017 16:13 Blazinghand wrote:


Basically, right now it is highly probable that at least one of Vivax/HF is scum. We should focus on this first.

On June 06 2017 16:19 Tubesock wrote:


I like Ritoky's filter better. Your argument with him just isn't convincing to me. Basically, he's scum because he only talked about him once (and scummed him) but called you out because you should have said something about Fidei?

I towned you earlier because of your shitfight with BH and you scummed btdt. But then later only had 1 guess and that was BH.

I also don't like how it's fairly difficult to keep track of your reads.

I'm having a hard time believing the whole emotional btdt is town bit. And think he's more likely mafia than you. or anyone else outside the Cop stuff.

On June 06 2017 16:33 Holyflare wrote:


No i can't be bothered. I just think it's total shit ruining a good game if he's town and he needs to die.

On June 06 2017 16:31 Tubesock wrote:


Now you're confusing me. I thought this was about Fidei?

On June 07 2017 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:


Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too.

Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski

On June 05 2017 07:46 Vivax wrote:
HF is mafia obviously.



you are awful

On June 05 2017 07:49 Vivax wrote:


Yes what has TL come to that active engaged players want to lynch others for doing nothing.
Or is the issue that there are players doing nothing?

On June 05 2017 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Sadly he's most likely town and isn't gifted with being able to read btdts emotional progression during D1.

On June 05 2017 08:33 Vivax wrote:


Thanks for your valuable input in the 20 minutes you've spent playing this game after puking out a post of shallow reads to keep up the appearance that you're actually here to play mafia. I'm sure your opinion is very informed and valuable.



And this guy.

On June 05 2017 08:40 Vivax wrote:
Chance to lynch BH, two guys avoid him for shit reasons and go to HF and another goes for PB instead.

Basically townies splitting all over my scumreads while tubesock is blatantly throwing his votes into the worst places possible. Kill me please.

On June 05 2017 08:45 Vivax wrote:


Well you wanted to start with being a dick. And it's a 100% serious answer. I think you're town and I think you are super wrong and I'm pretty sure everyone else thinks that too so there's your answer. I didn't coat it in sugar cause you don't coat things in sugar either, and if I coated it in sugar you'd just eat it anyway before reading it.

On June 05 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:




Calling my posts shit for no reason and suggesting that you should do the opposite of what my reads say.

Meanwhile never stating a single reason for me being mafia so just assuming you are here to lynch people at your own leisure and not to win the game.

On June 07 2017 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
I mean grack and btdt are making vivax town cases

sooooooooooooooooooo

lynch 'em boys

On June 07 2017 06:25 ritoky wrote:
voted on vivax

i don't understand how grack got to vivax vt, but i guess that's to be expected.

On June 07 2017 06:34 ritoky wrote:


well you got there yesterday pretty instantly too...so...

you think vivax is a pissed off townie who was trying hard all phase to get one of his lynches, then a bunch of afks showed up and just rando lynched disregarding all his work right? and then he is just throwing a tantrum trying to force a lynch onto his scum read by fake claiming a check and fucking off?

where is the upside in that play as VT?

On June 07 2017 06:38 ritoky wrote:


Sorry I forgot I can't talk to you without you randomly trying to turn everything into an argument. My bad.

On June 07 2017 06:25 ritoky wrote:
voted on vivax

i don't understand how grack got to vivax vt, but i guess that's to be expected.

On June 07 2017 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:

lol ok.

Don't come running back to me after I get proven right again with some Grack TMI bullshit over something this blatant.

On June 07 2017 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:


If he's scum I'm gonna trumpet RNG for eva

On June 07 2017 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:


Ok but i'm gonna be a LOT more annoying about it if Vivax is actually scum; you gotta admit this at least

On June 07 2017 16:10 Blazinghand wrote:


um, no?

On June 07 2017 16:12 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah ok grack just checking through my RNG records i'm reasonably certain you're wrong. Maybe someone else using the same modulo on post count like what I do to get Vivax this game got it? Here's what I have written down, though maybe I missed one.

Blazinghand's RNGs

In thug lyfe (2013): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/429897-thug-life-mini-mafia
Koshi and I semi jointly RNGed WaveofShadow in the first use of modulo on post count as far as I know

TL Mafia LXIII (2013): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/434275-tl-mafia-lxiii-time-to-die?page=61#1202
I RNGed vayneauthority

Golden Sun The Lost Age Mafia (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=16#306
I RNGed OdinofPergo

Noir Mini (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?page=5#87
I RNGed iamrobik

Fantasy Football (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=10#197
I RNGed ObviousOne

Hearthstone (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=29#578
I RNGed GlowingBear

VII Titanic Mini (2015): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=14#265
I RNGed vayneauthority, hilariously this guy has been hit twice by RNG

Kinda Vanilla Mini (2015): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=10#199
I RNGed raynpelikoneet

On June 07 2017 16:45 Holyflare wrote:
I did what at lylo as town??

On June 07 2017 16:50 Holyflare wrote:


I even accounted for that in this game really.

On June 07 2017 16:57 Vivax wrote:
Btw Grack you owe me for pestering me in resistance while trying to kick sharkie out of teams so don't be a bitch and help a brotha out here.

On June 07 2017 17:15 Vivax wrote:


So in your opinion, TS is the dumbest mafia on earth.

OK bh

On June 04 2017 09:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Grackaroni lies as easily as he breathes! He is scum and just trying to distract from the fact that he is scum. He must be lynched.

On June 07 2017 17:37 Blazinghand wrote:


TBH Holyflare I'm suspicious of you even if Vivax is Mafia LOL. But this is because I have respect for your play; I think as scum you can come off as amiable and generally right about things, and you're capable of big plays. So if we lynch Vivax today and he flips scum I still have my eye on you; same holds true if he flips VT.

On June 07 2017 17:07 Vivax wrote:


Well what I noticed this game is that fidei had reads that were off with what most others were thinking initially, then later kind of caught up and in his big post he ended up having reads that looked less suspicious. But I wrote him off as town for having weird reads so there's that.

It's possible TS is mafia for the same reason. He's kind of on a different wavelength than the rest and was kind of happy just suspecting me as mafia when I was being a dick so that seemed opportunistic but I like to think he's just wrong and tbh I don't even know this TS dude.

With ritoky the only thing I could think of is that he was proven around but not posting anything at deadline. As mafia he'd also have started into D1 with more smugposting I think.

HF is pretty much lock scum. With BH there's a chance he's just being selfish and trying to flood the game with his textual adventures for his own leisure instead of trying to win it

On June 07 2017 17:33 Blazinghand wrote:


OK I get that this play shouldn't be allowed to pay off. We do have a spare lynch or two, and there's nothing wrong with taking out Vivax first, except, what if my analysis is off and these kids are innocent. There are like, actual reasons to want to lynch the guy who's not claiming cop first in this scenario (HF) over the claimed cop. And if the cop unclaims, he's definitely not the cop basically. It's not like their reasons make literally zero sense. They're just highly suspicious if Vivax is town and so are you.


Yeah Grack the issue is in the world in which Vivax is scum i'm not feeling so up and up on you, so i'll need the actual reasoning if you have it (other than gut feeling)

On June 07 2017 17:53 Holyflare wrote:
Didn't say any of this when I was actually the cop in that game grack.

On June 07 2017 18:15 Vivax wrote:


What's your metric though you keep calling him town this game and it leaves me puzzled every time.

On June 08 2017 05:10 Holyflare wrote:


Yehhhh boi no towny wants to fake red check me a day after we lynch mafia.

On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

On June 08 2017 06:39 Tubesock wrote:


And that was one of he reasons I scummed BH.

On June 08 2017 06:52 ritoky wrote:


it bothers me fundamentally that ls is above me on this list.

On June 08 2017 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:

>solo vote on ritoky
>mfw
laughinggirlsjpg

On June 08 2017 08:52 Blazinghand wrote:

so you don't think HF is scum at all?

On June 08 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:


GAWD FRICKKIN DAMN IT GRACK

On June 08 2017 17:33 ritoky wrote:


Damn I shoulda voted with this guy yesterday! Who'd he vote on?

On June 08 2017 17:43 ritoky wrote:


Bro, I am just over halfway through my shift and I already got 2 stab wounds, a guy who thinks he has a pet squirrel, and a teen who thought holding a bottle rocket until it explodes was a great idea. No room in me for anger.

On June 08 2017 17:37 Holyflare wrote:


Who do you think is gonna die instead of confirmed blue you?

On June 09 2017 04:09 Holyflare wrote:
How does knowing my alignment figure out the game more? You think I could do the best cc claim you've seen in a while as mafia?

And no I'm nit talking about grack saying btdt afkd. There was someone who said he raged as mafia.

On June 09 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote:


Link me

On June 09 2017 04:32 Blazinghand wrote:


You need to wear kid gloves if you want anything out of BTDT. Just be very overly-friendly with him and if you say anything accusative wrap it up in several layers of abstraction. Otherwise the interaction won't work. That's my experience. What you're saying here is not going to do anything but increase the rage.

On June 09 2017 04:37 Blazinghand wrote:

Not like that, just be very friendly to the guy. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate weird over the top stuff like what you just wrote

On June 09 2017 04:37 Holyflare wrote:
Hey grack who's mafia?

On June 09 2017 04:41 Holyflare wrote:
Tube is definitely town

On June 09 2017 06:34 ritoky wrote:
grack snap defended vivax not just as town, but as VT for no real reason. he reaches conclusions, then goes and finds justifications. he claims to have read my filter, but demonstrates he hasn't, he wanted the shennanie to land on PB not fid...and also his PB boner disappeared cuz?

i shut up about it yesterday because it is irrelevant, but shit hasn't changed he is still mafia.

On June 09 2017 06:48 Holyflare wrote:
grack 5 small bullet points why ritoky is mafia
ritoky the same

On June 09 2017 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
that's not 5 points tho

On June 09 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
but that's not what I asked

u scum?

On June 09 2017 07:07 Holyflare wrote:


yes but I'm just going to flat out tell you that your posts and case on him and everything that led you to having a fight with ritoky was absolutely bad

all ritoky said was that he liked an onegu point against you and that caused him to read your filter and pick out some posts and then you went full retard and cased him, made an entire narrative and then tried to bury him a whole day based on HIS fidei posts when he wasn't even particularly building any case around your reads on fidei (the thing that made him check you)

so no, you are the one guilty of this narrative crap you keep throwing

On June 06 2017 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think grack's push is that great and I don't think ritoky's is either

On June 06 2017 18:29 Holyflare wrote:


Actually grack's push has merit. It's not totally awful.

But I think it's misguided for now. We're lynching vivax.

On June 06 2017 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:

This is a framing!

On June 09 2017 07:21 Holyflare wrote:



Let me get this whole turn of events correct, tell me if I'm wrong:

1. Fidei flips
2. Ritoky quotes onegu post and reads grack filter
Grack smells bullshit in post
3. Ritoky pulls out quotes that say grack looks scummy
4. grack pulls out lack of fidei posts for some reason to say ritoky is scummy
5. shit fight ensues

On June 09 2017 07:24 Holyflare wrote:


yes but he made that post pulling out things that seemed contradictory and then YOU DID THE SAME THING with his lack of fidei quotes and called him scummy because of it????

On June 09 2017 07:25 Holyflare wrote:


what quote???

On June 09 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote:


of course

On June 09 2017 08:43 Holyflare wrote:
who is gonna dieeeeeeeeeee

On June 09 2017 11:25 Conversion wrote:
wait but shouldn't there be a cop with a godfather? because what's the point of having a godfather (fidei) if there's no cop.. just a fancy title?

On June 09 2017 11:35 Conversion wrote:
oh okay sorry I'm like not reading before I post.

so the scenarios can be:

TW is doctor HF is vigi, makes it a balanced set up because we don't have a mislynch. Fidei is godfather to mindgame town into trying to figure out if there's a cop or not.

We have 3 claims. A doctor, vigi, and third role (most likely cop?). In which case we try to figure out who's fakeclaiming in this case (my suspicion goes to TW because like.. dude you're not doing anything and you probably fakeclaimed to save yourself and maybe try to out the real doctor as well)

I mean I don't really want to give TW a pass but if no one else is claiming, he is the real doctor, right? Or is a one blue, RB/godfather setup likely as well? Sorry for the questions, and thanks for answering them grack/LS! Just making sure I understand this stuff before I make a push based on things happening before

On June 09 2017 11:43 ritoky wrote:
At work on break so I can't type much or go retrieve my crumbs from my filter, but BTDT & grack

Quick reasoning, my case on BTDT day 1 + he emo'd me and I didn't want to be fooled by it. Considered switching to grack or LS. Day 2 grack because obvious reasons.

On June 10 2017 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
I'm going to dig for that ritoky cop fake claim game though. I'm almost sure it exists.

On November 21 2015 10:38 ritoky wrote:
that's not a joke either. i have worked in the ER for over a few yrs now and ppl seem to get things stuck in their ass most frequently on friday nights.....it is bizarre, the world has some weird tendencies.

On June 10 2017 05:46 ritoky wrote:
gracki chan, you've been quiet; and now that mechanics force me to respect your opinion, who do you think is the mafia outside the claims?

On June 08 2017 17:27 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know Holyflare.

First Tumbleweed and then Vivax and then Ritoky. Maybe we've got to start leaving things to the real pros like Grackaroni.