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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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So here's what happens 1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively. I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh. The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on. Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = hopeless1 2 = Damdred etc etc all the way up to 13 = obiwanshinobi 0 = storrzerg (since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14). + Show Spoiler [player list] + 1. Hopeless1der 2. Damdred 3. Palmer 4. Oatsmaster 5. Alakaslam 6. Grackaroni 7. liancourt 8. KelsierSC 9. batsnacks 10. Holyflare 11. BlazingHand 12. ObviousOne 13. ObiWanShinobi 0. StorrZerg there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty | ||
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23071592 mod 14 = 12 12th player is ObviousOne ##vote ObviousOne OO, your lynch has been determined by RNG. SUBMIT YOURSELF UNTO DEATH. | ||
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man why you guys gotta be sharing a letter | ||
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On October 07 2014 02:26 KelsierSC wrote: So I have never played with bh but i really don't like what he just did. firstly i thought we were looking along some interesting lines with hf and hell, then bh did this huge RNG nothingness that served nothing except to disrupt town. he then tries to justify his rng like hey this is actually a good idea because he is inactive? it introduces him to the thread in a splashy way but all it does.is disrupt town. Are you denying the underlying math of RNG? Look dude there's roughly speaking 13 players, right? If 3 are scum, then that gives us a solid 22% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG. Now, this isn't a very good ratio, I understand. Often, town can beat it for D1 lynches. But unless you put together a better case, the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 22% chance to lynch someone. On top of that, once I've RNGed someone, I tunnel them until they are lynched. This is pretty much historically accurate. OO has accepted his fate, which makes me think he is scum (town is usually super outraged when they get RNGed). I've updated the odds of OO flipping scum to be much higher as a result. That being said, I am willing to change vote if you guys can offer something better, but things like "someone was yelling in all caps" or whatever other baloney is going on doesn't even come close to matching up with RNG in terms of usefulness as a heuristic. | ||
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On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote: Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On October 07 2014 03:21 KelsierSC wrote: I think if you said to ignore your RNG post that would be a really town move. Then you think wrongly. You're a smart guy, you just haven't had the education necessary to understand this. Look at things this way. OO delurked as soon as he got voted, right? And then he self-votes and posts some trolling image thing. Stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's response. OO *knows* I'm 100% serious about RNG and don't back down from it, and I lynch people this way from time to time (people like to resist RNG but it still goes through occasionally). So Basically, OO is facing a couple serious votes on him. If you stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's insta-delurk and weird response, suddenly you start to learn a lot more about OO, don't you. Dang! That sure was useful! It also turns out the thing you learned about OO is that he's pretty obviously scum. So vote him. | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:30 KelsierSC wrote: Didn't he say something like "now that is out the way" I think he just ignored / joked about it. I think it is good to put pressure on people but after your RNG post you haven't actually put any pressure on him . you just defended some random selection method. OK, just ignore the scumspect's response while criticizing me. I'll make note of your actions. | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:38 liancourt wrote: Oh so you declare the post beforehand. My mistake I just skimmed too much text. Even so. I dont approve because its random. And just flushes everything we discussed up until now down the drain. And theres discrepancies in that some people will do it and some people wont. Town will do it in the off chance they can get a scum. Mafia wont do it in the off chance they they get one of their own but the potential to lynch town randomly and being unreadable at the same time off sets that risk. I'm not sorry to flush the "amazing" discussion of whether it's appropriate to use caps lock down the drain. If Oats is scum or not, whatever, but even you have to admit RNG is a better way of doing things than "did he inappropriately use capslock" | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:44 liancourt wrote: So it was a trap basically. I do think you are town based on this post but if you are pushing others to do it I think it all goes to fluff. OK you clearly don't understand the purpose of RNG. I am lynching OO regardless of what he does, but I'm gonnas try to make arguments that are also convincing to you. Also, you didn't address whether or not you agree with that argument. Nice doj bro On October 07 2014 03:49 liancourt wrote: For one thing bats did was get us talking so kudos to him. It may seem meaningless to you since you think both oats and bats are town I do not have a townread on either oats or bats. Your reading comprehension has failed you once again. I remain hopeful things will improve nice b8 m8 i r8 8/8 | ||
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On October 07 2014 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: I trust in the wisdom of the random lynch because it did not choose me.  | ||
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On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote: BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? I do. I think HF's reasoning based on the VT claim shenannies are consistent with HF's reasoning as town. This reasoning is solid enough. The follow-up about "why are you in caps lock" isn't meaningful, but I think HF believes himself to be correct. Normally I'd find his attachment to that piece scummy but I really like the follow-up he posts right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=14#268 The attempt to leverage the current situation on OO by asking OO about Oats is a solid way to develop a read on both of them. This "continuance" piece is harder for scum to think of but fits well with a tunneled HF on Oats. Due to these reasons, I do not believe HF is a good lynch today. | ||
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OK, at this point you're being wilfully obtuse! OK, I'll explain.. First off, read that filter. It's the filter of OO. Also, I am referring to someone who is RNGed, and the only person who is RNGed is OO. Lastly, in literally the next post, I say "oops, I meant to write OO there, not Oats". It's blindingly obvious that I meant OO, not Oats. If you're going to attack me, at least pretend to understand my filter. Amazingly, your inability to decipher my writing reaffirms my townread on you. Scum wouldn't make such a silly mistake. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=11#204 | ||
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On October 07 2014 06:57 KelsierSC wrote: Oh is that what the s/oats thing means, that was rather unclear. ok that part can be ignored but the rest of my case against bh still stands. my phone corrected hopel to hela for some reason >"rest of my case" >implying there is a case >implying there was ever a case >doesn't understand sed mfw | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:02 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not trying to mid interpret what you said but you just seem to be confused with what you say sometimes OK, let me be one hundo percent clear: You should vote OO. OO is scum, and RNG demands it. This is what I am saying. OO is ObviousOne. This is not a place of honor. OO is scum. This is a message, part of a system of messages. The message is that OO is scum, and you should vote him. This message is a warning about OO. We must vote OO. I consider myself to be a powerful player. OO must be lynched. | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:03 Holyflare wrote: If BH was town and decided he was going to RNG like he does in every game as every alignment and was only available at that point in time should he have withheld his usual entry to continue posting nothing? Yeah, also basically this. I didn't particularly time my RNG. I just showed up in the thread, and decided to bring order to the madness with a clear lynch target, determined by RNG. If I had been in the thread earlier or later it would have come earlier or later. I did this because it was necessary. On October 07 2014 07:05 KelsierSC wrote: of course there is a case. you deliberately disrupted town when it was being productive to give us a random name. Since then you haven't actually bothered to push on the name and seen quite content now that town is in a different Random path If you believe this, vote me. But you know in your heart of hearts that it is false. There was nothing "productive" that I disrupted, and by arguing with me rather than doing whatever it is you think was actually "productive" you give away your game. You find my push on OO interesting and compelling, don't you. It's driving a productive conversation, isn't it? Yes, I've routed the conversation differently, but you yourself don't have a townread on OO, and you know as well as I do he's been acting scummy. So, what's the deal, KSC? Is this rerouting of attention really bad? And if I'm scum, isn't drawing attention to me actually _good_? No, you're not coherent. I haven't disrupted town, I've led it, and somehow, you dislike this. Why? | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: again you haven't given a reason apart.from random number said so before this we actually had discussion going to sleep now pick this up tomorrow You can't say "things I agree with are discussion, and things I disagree with aren't discussion". That's not a valid way to have co-operative discourse. | ||
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