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On January 17 2017 06:15 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 06:07 Vivax wrote:
I suggest you just make up your mind on who would be a better wagon. Don't see why Rels for example when I believe I'm the only one to have mentioned issues with his posts?
Onegu just behaved really confusing but not sure what would make him slam dunk mafia?
Hapa I think doesn't look that bad at the moment?
Do you have any points you think make them particularly interesting? Your read on Hapa seems a bit wobbly. You went like from TvT when he was arguing with me, to suspicious for soft defense of you, to null.
Just really anything that seems important to you? You lack bite this game, it's what's getting you voted. The only thing that is even remotely interesting to me is Onegu read on slam honestly. I thought slam said a couple of things that I could see come from town. Which makes his read of null but voting nad not commenting on anything in the thread else bad to me. Especially for Onegu. Besides that I am wafly on what I think, nothing else has piqued me right now.
Onegu said specifically that it's not a read, when I also thought it was. I took from it that it's a spitevote for talking about droppings.
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Nice post by Onegu. I really dislike that HF is getting cold feet on Damdred and
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be.
this doesn't explain at all why you even voted for him in the first place. You said he was playing a different game then kept the vote parked on him without ever doing much about it. Why aren't you voting the ones you actually want to lynch? Your read on Damdred makes no sense HF.
So I checked for what your opinion on Damdred was so far and how you reacted to Hapa posting arguments for him being mafia and saw this:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:
In which you don't even discuss the validity of the argument but just assess that Hapa is playing the same (which I disagree with), and I don't even know what LS has to do with this. Why'd you talk about Damdreds read on LS when the argument is about the bigger picture of how Damdred is playing.
On January 17 2017 02:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:
Hapa I might be tunneled. But again all of these questions seem pointless to me. They look good but won't add anything meaningful. Not the Vivax one, but the other two What I'm ultimately trying to get at with Damdred, is that I feel he's been a non-entity this game. The contributions he has made have not been of his own volition, but have been from his responses to people questioning him. The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time. The question on you was because I was looking into Vivax's case, which still doesn't make much sense to me.
So what is Hapa supposed to acknowledge? That doesn't change the validity of the bolded.
Makes me wonder why HF even makes that argument cause it seems like it comes from someone knowing that Damdred is scum.
Again:
Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred
from HFs perspective it looks like:
Hapa is scumreading Damdred cause his only read of own volition was LS.
Hapa shouldn't cause LS said mafia Damdred never hard town reads him.
Damdred is mafia and hard townreads LS, ergo he is not mafia.
Might be TMI shining through here. But either way HFs entire Damdred read seems foul.
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Since when is considered having no scumreads or not trying to find scum in general considered townie? Cause that's what Damdred looks like to me and Hapa said something similar at the very least and you know, he is right too.
I challenge you to find me anything resembling a scumread in Damdreds filter if you decide not to vote him off.
And HF telling me what your perspective in general was doesn't excuse that what you said about Damdreds read on LS not only misses the point of what Hapa accused him off, but also tries to argue that Damdred is town cause as mafia he doesn't townread LS. What kind of reasoning is that???
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On January 17 2017 22:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Since when is considered having no scumreads or not trying to find scum in general considered townie? Cause that's what Damdred looks like to me and Hapa said something similar at the very least and you know, he is right too.
I challenge you to find me anything resembling a scumread in Damdreds filter if you decide not to vote him off.
And HF telling me what your perspective in general was doesn't excuse that what you said about Damdreds read on LS not only misses the point of what Hapa accused him off, but also tries to argue that Damdred is town cause as mafia he doesn't townread LS. What kind of reasoning is that??? If having scumreads is considered scummy, then that's how Hapa was the majority of the game. Having no scumreads means nothing. Not looking for scum is scummy. Damdred is doing it in his own way - by crossing people off a lynch list before POEing the lynch. And that's how he ususally plays D1.
Did he tell you that? Cause he didn't say any of the sort iirc, are you his spokesperson now? It just doesn't make sense to me how you can't be even suspicious of him in the slightest. At the very least as town he puts out a few possibilities for people to be scum, maybe adding that he won't lynch them D1 like he does with me almost all the time. But HE DOES have reads, and doesn't just kind of exist alongside us.
On January 17 2017 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Well it does but that post was made exclusively to call out hapa not caring about things in the thread
You accused Hapa of not changing his read on Damdred with that information. Implying you think that Damdred should be townread cause he doesn't townread LS as mafia.
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If HF is mafia this is one of the reasons. I will vote HF if I don't get a Damdred lynch. I will not vote Hapa. The central argumentation by HF is that his posting seems forced. And even if it looks forced at times I don't think it's cause Hapa is mafia, but cause he's trying to keep up a high standard.
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And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.
What's your read on each other anyways?
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Damdred gets a golden noose with candy hearts.
HF gets thrown into the brimstone pits as the unholy creature that he is.
And Rels I sentence to death by snu snu
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On January 17 2017 22:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.
What's your read on each other anyways? Town. Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad.
Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site.
And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it.
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On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.
##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.
Is this still your only reason to unvote Damdred?
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On January 17 2017 23:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:01 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2017 22:58 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.
What's your read on each other anyways? Town. Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad. Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site. And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it. I don't townread HF confidelty. I think I'll never townread HF confidently 'cause he's a super good scum. He seems town for now though. The way he pressured Damdred at the beginning then stopped. The way he expressed having lots of people he wants to lynch. And he's seeing the same things I do on Hapa's filter.
And I have just shown how he made an argument that only makes sense for someone believing or knowing that Damdred is mafia.
Damdred is town cause he hard townread LS and he only does that as mafia, is more or less what he said.
I repeat what I said earlier, with the most important parts onyl quoted:
What HF said:
Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred
In response to Hapa:
The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.
from HFs perspective it looks like:
Hapa is scumreading Damdred cause his only read of own volition was LS.
Hapa shouldn't cause LS said mafia Damdred never hard town reads him.
Damdred is mafia and hard townreads LS, ergo he is not mafia.
Might be TMI shining through here. But either way HFs entire Damdred read seems foul.
Now if you can explain that away in a credible way I will be able to believe that you are townreading HF, but until then, the line of reasoning he used doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how anyone townie can say that.
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On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:
1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.
So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?
And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.
The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.
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On January 17 2017 23:23 Hapahauli wrote:Oh god that post is an abortion. Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote: On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:
1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia. So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips? Explain? Show nested quote +And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder. This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance. Show nested quote +The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best. I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.
Explain what? You are afraid that Damdred is HFs designated mislynch. How can you know for sure that HF isn't voting his scumbuddy off? Just, please don't use that method. It won't work with HF.
And using the thread direction as indicator for whether the main lynch is town is also very dangerous. I use this almost only in lylo and then it doesn't lead me to conclusions, only to trying to dig other reads up and scramble the game around a bit if I feel like mafia is about to win.
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On January 18 2017 00:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 00:16 Hapahauli wrote:
I think you are town Rels, but your posts are tilting me really hard. I'm going to take a break, drive to the doctors, and be back in 45 minutes ish. Nothing I'm saying is against you personnaly. But I know the feeling. I'm feeling the same. This is my towniest game in a long time and I'm not top town in anyone reads. Granted, D1 has always been my worst day, but still.
I like the turn you took in the last few pages actually. Before I had the impression you were overlooking things I thought were relevant.
I didn't mention all of them yet, but yesterday it was the entire argument on Damdred. You came into the thread at some point when Hapa and I voted and kind of disregarded it entirely.
Today you were so intent on lynching Hapa from the get go that you initially overlooked the point on HF you now like.
Makes me feel a bit better about you but I sitll have the thought gnawing at the back of my head that you simply felt like you were coerced into updating your opinion.
What also bugs me a little is that only active people seem to be discussed for lynch but fwiw 1gus and slams posts seemed okay, I also have lower standards for them though so easier to fool on that front. I'm mostly crossing fingers here that it's not a mistake to allow them to get through D1. If it comes to it I'd rather lynch Slam tho, simply cause 1gu makes more sense to me.
But hey it's not like HF hasn't done scummy things.
Quick update of what's going on in my mind anyway.
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On January 18 2017 00:29 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 03:10 LightningStrike wrote:
TBH though if Damdred keeps pushing all of Day 1 and thinks I scum then he pretty much will claim scum just fyi since he normally can read me well. wut Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 03:09 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 03:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Sound 10/10 logic
##Vote LightningStrike ............ Don't take it personally LS. I'm just voting for your execution. But I already rolled scum in the last qualifiers what are the chances I rolled scum twice in a row for these qualifiers? WUT? vote: LightningStrike [/u]
So gambler's fallacy is a surefire scum trait?
More like a common human trait.
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On January 18 2017 00:32 Bill Murray wrote:
To me, the back and forth between Vivax and Hapa on Pg. 5 makes it to where they aren't both scum - likely both town - I didn't like Hapa's opening and was leaning scum but his posts on Pg. 5 have me thinking more of him as town in my "it's all too early to pick out who are scum" phase
PLEASE finish reading before posting, I don't want to go through another Rels. This thread is really small too.
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No lynching is catastrophical by the way. This game you will have to vote even if you don't believe that the possible wagon is the right one. Basically if you allow a no lynch to happen it's extremely anti town.
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On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.
I will invite-
However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.
But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.
I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.
That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.
Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?
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On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.
I will invite-
However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.
But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.
I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum. That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch. Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do? This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF" Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:
It's selfish to risk a no lynch, is what I mean. You can scumhunt on your own disregarding our opinions all you like but please slam, don't let us slide into a no lynch. What you wrote sounds like you will waste your vote if it suits you.
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On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.
But we would have to wait for him to survive night
I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.
Dammit I hate this situation so bad
What do you think of Damdred? I think both him and HF have an equal shot at flipping mafia but I have to make compromises if we want to lynch, so right now I don't have a preference for HF, but others do.
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I believe we can agree that lynching Slam is off the table. Looks to me like he does care about the game.
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