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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 01:45 GMT
#481
Alright this Day 1 is the pits. I can't remember a game I've ever played where I've struggled to find something to even post. No matter how much I look back over the thread, I end up at Damdred and Onegu, whilst praying that Bill Murray gets mod-killed.

It's almost 9 and Damdred isn't back and still hasn't done anything. I guess I could feel good lynching him based on the uselessness. But it isn't satisfying by any means. It doesn't feel like something like this has a good chance of hitting mafia.

Maybe going over some meta is the answer. Idunno. Expect a wall of text in the next hour or so.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 01:47 GMT
#482
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 02:09 GMT
#483
On January 17 2017 11:01 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Holyflare


I'll be up for a few hours to discuss this.

The gist of this is the following:
On January 17 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a bit of an impasse because I think there could actually be too many scum :D

On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most


Holyflare is clearly suspicious of a lot of people, and in his mind has good reasons to be suspicious of a lot of people. He hasn't done anything other than dangle this out in thread, and plop his vote somewhat reluctantly on Damdred.

On January 17 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just gonna sit on damdred and see where it goes, it's majority shit lynch anyway.


It does not make a lot of sense for a player as aggressive as town-Holyflare to be so paralyzed by his multitude of scumreads that he doesn't act on them. Over today, he's just dangling his reads out there and waiting for someone to pick them up. His vote on Damdred is pretty pathetic, considering the list of suspicions he has.

"But Hapa, aren't you doing this? Isn't everyone sort of paralyzed this game?"
Yes, but for different reasons. A lot of players in this game are having a hard time finding any scum-reads. I mentioned earlier that I've had an extremely hard time finding reasons to call people mafia. Damdred as well. Look at LightningStrike's wafflefest. Vivax misreads things, thinks about them, realizes they could come from town, then stops pushing them. I suspect many other townies are in the same boat.

Holyflare is in a very different position. It does not make sense for a guy struggling to find townies to struggle to find a place for his vote.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 02:15 GMT
#484
Comments. Thoughts. Questions.

15 hours is enough time to finish Day 1 strong.

@ Rels

Your wrong about my alignment, but your suspicions are right in a sense. I'm playing badly as town, and I'm going about this game the very, very wrong way. I was lost, so I was trying to ask silly stupid questions to get a lead. That's not how you get leads. Game will be pushed forward, starting now.

On January 17 2017 07:31 Rels wrote:
hapa how would you rate your D1 scum lynching skill ?


I have a good track record, albeit in more active towns. It's been a while since I've had my vote in the wrong place as town on Day 1. I'm not always there early on Day 1, but I'm there by the end of it.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 02:47 GMT
#485
On January 17 2017 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
onegu why are you making reads that you contradict instantly just by reading? why not just wait?



Because that is how I have always do things when catching up. If I see something I give my thoughts. If 2 pages later that changes so be it. You have been in enough games with me to know this.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 02:47 GMT
#486
On January 17 2017 03:54 Hapahauli wrote:
So... you're voting for Slam because his opening is bad, and not because you think he's suspicious?



Yes
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 02:48 GMT
#487
Are you caught up?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 02:51 GMT
#488
On January 17 2017 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on the last few pages, I'm between Onegu and Damdred for mafia.

Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment.

Onegu's vote on Slam is strange and scummy. I can't tell if it's policy, legitimate suspicion, or something in between. Slam has also been talking and interacting with the thread, and I don't like Onegu coming in and just shitting on his first 4 posts without even attempting to engage him.

Damdred for the posts above.



Im not even to his subsequent posts Hapa, I am behind. I am trying to catch up. Jump on dumb stuff much hapa.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 02:51 GMT
#489
On January 17 2017 11:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you caught up?



Not even close. I had the page open where I posted last and read that. I am still on page 13...
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 02:54 GMT
#490
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 02:54 GMT
#491
Oh I did see something back in those early pages I forgot to mention. It was rels Damdred/LS points. Rels goes I have no reason to town read LS but Damdred who claims he can read him is spewing him town.

But why doesnt rels ever go to the possibility that maybe Damdred can actually read LS. Just because Rels has no reason to townread LS doesnt mean Damdred doesnt. Seems like a really flimsy reason to scum read Damdred.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 02:55 GMT
#492
On January 17 2017 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.



Yes got my pain meds in my system and am reading.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 03:17 GMT
#493
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most


The newbie we were just In I did it and you didnt have any problems then. So why some now?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 03:20 GMT
#494
On January 17 2017 12:17 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most


The newbie we were just In I did it and you didnt have any problems then. So why some now?


I mean the gif game. But I do this in everygame I am in and we have played many and you never bitched about it before.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 03:32 GMT
#495
On January 17 2017 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.



Rels is my biggest read right now. The call out on damdred seems really forced and fake. His read on me seemed fake. Then when called out on it he went from giving me a town read down into scummy would lynch pile.

Honestly I wouldnt lynch you or HF today. I normally stray away from trying to get a read on him early. Because when I do I am usually wrong but when we get to lylo and he is still around I can usually get a read on him either by does he have a reason to be alive and if he does have a reason does his shit make sense.

I would lynch you over him at this point and it hurts me to say this. Not really sure how between slams first posts and my vote on him did he do anything useful and yet you think he looks ok and my vote on him is scummy. But again I would prefer not to lynch you or holyflare day 1. I really believe trying to get reads on you day 1 are pointless.

I would never lynch Vivax. He is by far my top town at this point. He saw the same thing I saw about rels.

LS/Damdred I am fairly meh on. Really think rels is a much better lynch over them.

Also for rels calling out slam do something seemed like a way for him to try to gain town cred for calling out a player who wasnt doing much even though it is slam and he plays wilder than I do game from game. Rels knows this.

##Unvote

##Vote Rels
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 03:33 GMT
#496
@Vivax I think you should get back on Rels with me.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 03:34 GMT
#497
I am around for a while. Questions and concerns plz direct my way.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 17 2017 03:39 GMT
#498
On January 17 2017 06:49 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:43 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait

See LS you pointed out in Damdred something I don't like.

Not scummy per se, mind you, I just don't like it:

Soft defending is scummy.

Oh really? I thought attacking everyone you see was scummy. Or attacking no one at all.

See scum have all the options in the world. Cause ultimately, the best play as scum is to be townie. So

Lol

Both of the bolded can be considered scummy depending on context and or what else they done with it.

Exactly! But town is capable of both. What if you simply actually think someone is town- but only kind of?

See what you just pointed out is the correctness. But I digress. So me one has asked me who I think is scum via the question, "who do you want to lynch today".

Thus far? I say wait for the inactives! It is still day one. But forced to pick now, I would lynch rels from pure moguls. But he has made sense, so even there I can't honestly lynch him.

He makes sense.

But if I HAD TI DECIDE RIGHT NOW then there you are. Ñot exactly helpful but there I did it ñoñ

Slam I don't understand why you would pick me

Oh moguls should read OMGUS. That's my phone.

I don't even scumread you, it was omgus. But now it'd be onegu for doing squat and omgus on top of that
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 03:41 GMT
#499
On January 17 2017 12:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 06:49 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:43 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait

See LS you pointed out in Damdred something I don't like.

Not scummy per se, mind you, I just don't like it:

Soft defending is scummy.

Oh really? I thought attacking everyone you see was scummy. Or attacking no one at all.

See scum have all the options in the world. Cause ultimately, the best play as scum is to be townie. So

Lol

Both of the bolded can be considered scummy depending on context and or what else they done with it.

Exactly! But town is capable of both. What if you simply actually think someone is town- but only kind of?

See what you just pointed out is the correctness. But I digress. So me one has asked me who I think is scum via the question, "who do you want to lynch today".

Thus far? I say wait for the inactives! It is still day one. But forced to pick now, I would lynch rels from pure moguls. But he has made sense, so even there I can't honestly lynch him.

He makes sense.

But if I HAD TI DECIDE RIGHT NOW then there you are. Ñot exactly helpful but there I did it ñoñ

Slam I don't understand why you would pick me

Oh moguls should read OMGUS. That's my phone.

I don't even scumread you, it was omgus. But now it'd be onegu for doing squat and omgus on top of that

...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 17 2017 03:44 GMT
#500
You realize I am not scum reading you slam so why would you omgus me?
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