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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 11:09 GMT
#521
Just because I vote someone doesn't mean I think they are definitely mafia :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 11:22 GMT
#522
Your hf perspective should be:

HF votes damdred early game cos points

HF drops points cos what hapa said and afks vote

Hapa scum reads damdred for being lazy (superficial as fuck)

HF doesn't care and will join whatever wagon to make people do stuff and not having to write a new vote is nice

HF goes to read hapa cos bored and sees questioning on ls but no follow up. Sees all crap reasoning for scum reading everyone.

Hapa doesn't acknowledge any points about damdred from external sources, says he'll check damdred's meta, switches off damdred onto me for being lazy instead of content. Says I have lots of scum reads THAT HE SHOULD SHARE GOING BY WHAT HE'S POSTED BUT DOESN'T.

Realise hapa has no care about any reasoning or posts in this game other than voting for activity reasons.


The problem with hapa this game and it's what rels has linked is that hapa is behaving exactly the same and has no real content. Is this what you expect from a guy on the list of townies not lynched (well once ever)? I do not think so at all. There's being a bit lost for good reasons such as being lost in content that nobody gives a shit about changing and then there's being lost because all you're concerned about is voting lazy people and lynches that don't go anywhere.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 11:23 GMT
#523
Hapa is the definition of feigned activity.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 11:36 GMT
#524
Look at it this way vivax. Join the Hapahauli wagon and he is either mafia and dies because he can't put out any meaningful content or he's town and will live up to his nature of being lynched once ever.

I think he's very likely mafia so that's a bonus
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:32 GMT
#525
On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

What happened to Slam, your second scumread read ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:35 GMT
#526
On January 17 2017 11:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Comments. Thoughts. Questions.

15 hours is enough time to finish Day 1 strong.

@ Rels

Your wrong about my alignment, but your suspicions are right in a sense. I'm playing badly as town, and I'm going about this game the very, very wrong way. I was lost, so I was trying to ask silly stupid questions to get a lead. That's not how you get leads. Game will be pushed forward, starting now.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 07:31 Rels wrote:
hapa how would you rate your D1 scum lynching skill ?


I have a good track record, albeit in more active towns. It's been a while since I've had my vote in the wrong place as town on Day 1. I'm not always there early on Day 1, but I'm there by the end of it.

We'll see about it. I saw on the database that you're night killed quite often so I expect more from you if you're town.
Your HF case is not a good start. I can see HF being town and acting like he did, having a lot of stuff he doesn't like but not having a strong scumread.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:37 GMT
#527
On January 17 2017 11:54 Onegu wrote:
Oh I did see something back in those early pages I forgot to mention. It was rels Damdred/LS points. Rels goes I have no reason to town read LS but Damdred who claims he can read him is spewing him town.

But why doesnt rels ever go to the possibility that maybe Damdred can actually read LS. Just because Rels has no reason to townread LS doesnt mean Damdred doesnt. Seems like a really flimsy reason to scum read Damdred.

Because Damdred didn't "just" townread LS. He made a list of reasons, all of which I found bad:
On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.

How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!

You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.

States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).

And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.

And that went on longer than I wanted


And he actually agreed that his post about LS was not good:
On January 17 2017 01:07 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.

How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!

You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.

States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).

And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.

And that went on longer than I wanted


Okay.

Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10?



It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.

He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard.

I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls.


Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS.


I actually see differently after I looked at his filter and read the thread. Yeah hes not super in tune yet with his reads being present but hes going out of his way to find examples of previous games where certain situations have occured.

Mainly dealing with me, but I think its a good sign that he is doing things like that. I think it shows the opposite of being lazy, not many people would bother to comb throughg ames to find examples of what hes talking about.

Wouldn't lynch today at all, but i think hes pretty towny currently.


So. What's weird about it now ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:41 GMT
#528
That's such a bad post from Onegu.
On January 17 2017 12:32 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.



Rels is my biggest read right now. The call out on damdred seems really forced and fake. His read on me seemed fake. Then when called out on it he went from giving me a town read down into scummy would lynch pile.

I don't have a "read" on you. I mentioned that you had 0 content, which is osmething that miiiiiiight be a slight towntell. I still would lynch you with 0 problem if I don't find another lynch that satisfy me.

On January 17 2017 12:32 Onegu wrote:
Honestly I wouldnt lynch you or HF today. I normally stray away from trying to get a read on him early. Because when I do I am usually wrong but when we get to lylo and he is still around I can usually get a read on him either by does he have a reason to be alive and if he does have a reason does his shit make sense.

I would lynch you over him at this point and it hurts me to say this. Not really sure how between slams first posts and my vote on him did he do anything useful and yet you think he looks ok and my vote on him is scummy. But again I would prefer not to lynch you or holyflare day 1. I really believe trying to get reads on you day 1 are pointless.

I would never lynch Vivax. He is by far my top town at this point. He saw the same thing I saw about rels.

LS/Damdred I am fairly meh on. Really think rels is a much better lynch over them.

Also for rels calling out slam do something seemed like a way for him to try to gain town cred for calling out a player who wasnt doing much even though it is slam and he plays wilder than I do game from game. Rels knows this.

You're saying I pushed a player who wasn't doing much. But I'm pushing and voting Hapa, who is the player who did the most in the game.

Basically every reason you have to scumread me are not only things that don't make scum, they are wrong.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:42 GMT
#529
On January 17 2017 12:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 12:41 Onegu wrote:
On January 17 2017 12:39 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 06:49 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:43 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait

See LS you pointed out in Damdred something I don't like.

Not scummy per se, mind you, I just don't like it:

Soft defending is scummy.

Oh really? I thought attacking everyone you see was scummy. Or attacking no one at all.

See scum have all the options in the world. Cause ultimately, the best play as scum is to be townie. So

Lol

Both of the bolded can be considered scummy depending on context and or what else they done with it.

Exactly! But town is capable of both. What if you simply actually think someone is town- but only kind of?

See what you just pointed out is the correctness. But I digress. So me one has asked me who I think is scum via the question, "who do you want to lynch today".

Thus far? I say wait for the inactives! It is still day one. But forced to pick now, I would lynch rels from pure moguls. But he has made sense, so even there I can't honestly lynch him.

He makes sense.

But if I HAD TI DECIDE RIGHT NOW then there you are. Ñot exactly helpful but there I did it ñoñ

Slam I don't understand why you would pick me

Oh moguls should read OMGUS. That's my phone.

I don't even scumread you, it was omgus. But now it'd be onegu for doing squat and omgus on top of that

...

Well I didn't vote you. I am caught up now and agree; he is also trying to lynch Hapa. No ty

##Vote: Rels

Slam, you are not playing the game in the weird smart way you palyed last game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:44 GMT
#530
On January 17 2017 21:32 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

What happened to Slam, your second scumread read ?


I'm pretty sure he re-read and said he liked some posts.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:46 GMT
#531
On January 17 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 21:32 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

What happened to Slam, your second scumread read ?


I'm pretty sure he re-read and said he liked some posts.

I don't see it.
On January 17 2017 02:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Honestly, I have reasons to think every active poster is town, and I'm trying to look for any lead I can. I guess it is "shade throwing" to an outside eye. I'm just usually at a point where I have more concrete reads at this point in the game, and I just don't have them.

The closest thing I have to a scumread is Slam, but I'm very wary of the lynchbait factor there.

On January 17 2017 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on the last few pages, I'm between Onegu and Damdred for mafia.

Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment.

Onegu's vote on Slam is strange and scummy. I can't tell if it's policy, legitimate suspicion, or something in between. Slam has also been talking and interacting with the thread, and I don't like Onegu coming in and just shitting on his first 4 posts without even attempting to engage him.

Damdred for the posts above.

On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:48 GMT
#532
Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment


Right there dude.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:50 GMT
#533
Hapa is still the most likely to flip scum. Everything I've siad before still holds true. He even acknoledged it himself - something kinda scummy TBF, I'm pushed by some poeple and I havae a hard time not OMGUS them 'cause I feel like I'm playing this game extrmeley townie, compared to last game especially. The only thing he's done since is the HF case, which basically say "HF struggling to place his vote when he doesn't have lots of townreads is scummy, he should be more aggressive". Guess what, scum!HF CAN be super aggressive, town!HF can be lost D1. It doesn't prove HF is town, it doesn't make him sucm either. Again, it's a bad argument that sounds logical. But it's a bad surface argument from someone whi apparently used to be one of the best won player on this website.
Slam is the second. He played with me last game, I'm nothing like it. He's voting me for no reason but OMGUS. Hehas a lot of lecturey posts, but he's making sure he doesn't have reads. It doesn't make sense. It's forced.
Onegu might be scum too. Maybe. His 3 reasons to scumread me are all false. So he's not reading carefully. BUt I know he can be terrib le as town, especially early. Giving him the doubt since they are two scummiest people.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:51 GMT
#534
On January 17 2017 21:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment


Right there dude.

Oh. TY. Didn't realize it was supposed to be a townread.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:52 GMT
#535
And BM. Probably gonna be replaced at this point. If it's proven he's fake AFKing it is scummy. But it is hard to rpvoe. If he's replaced it will prove that it has nothing to do with alignment. We'll see.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:53 GMT
#536
I don't even think it's a town read?? It's a town read + lynch bait comment?? Lynchbait implies he's scummy but could be town which doesn't seem to fit here.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 12:54 GMT
#537
Also I've signed myself off work cos I have rsi sooo yay free day. Should I see passengers or la la land?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:54 GMT
#538
On January 17 2017 21:53 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even think it's a town read?? It's a town read + lynch bait comment?? Lynchbait implies he's scummy but could be town which doesn't seem to fit here.

well apparently it's enough for Slam to not be in the "maybe they're scum and useless" list
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:54 GMT
#539
Slam being over Damdred in this list is a joke BTW
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:55 GMT
#540
On January 17 2017 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Also I've signed myself off work cos I have rsi sooo yay free day. Should I see passengers or la la land?

what's rsi ?
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