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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 12:56 GMT
#541
Repetitive strain
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 12:57 GMT
#542
On January 17 2017 21:56 Holyflare wrote:
Repetitive strain

Reading the definition it looks like you fapped too much
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 13:05 GMT
#543
Something like that
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 13:14 GMT
#544
On January 17 2017 09:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I don't think we should lynch BM because his lynch would give absolutely no information on anything at all regardless of his alignment. Rather lynch into the active slots more or less.

I like this bit from LS
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 13:15 GMT
#545
Yeah at least one scum is between Hapa and Slam. Maybe 2. Would lynch like that:

Hapa
Slam
Onegu
BM
LS
Damdred
HF
Vivax
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 13:22 GMT
#546
Dunno why I think Damdred is that townie with the content of his filter being kinda lackluster. But it flows well. It's the total opposite of Hapa. There is way less posts, but they make sense. I can see Damdred having this nebuleous idea of the game state and expressing it with his posts
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 13:24 GMT
#547
that's also waht I expect from Slam and what's missing from him. THere is no read, only no-content posts. It's like he's forcing himself to have no read. And he's lecturing people about it, saying stuff like "if you think I'm scum for having no scumreads you're bad". Weird mix of having no opinion, seemlingly having fun, but still teaching people about the game
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 13:36 GMT
#548
Morning. Euros can only manage 2 pages of thread while I'm gone? That's dissapointing. Let's change that.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22191 Posts
January 17 2017 13:36 GMT
#549
Since when is considered having no scumreads or not trying to find scum in general considered townie? Cause that's what Damdred looks like to me and Hapa said something similar at the very least and you know, he is right too.

I challenge you to find me anything resembling a scumread in Damdreds filter if you decide not to vote him off.

And HF telling me what your perspective in general was doesn't excuse that what you said about Damdreds read on LS not only misses the point of what Hapa accused him off, but also tries to argue that Damdred is town cause as mafia he doesn't townread LS. What kind of reasoning is that???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 13:41 GMT
#550
It's absolutely 0 to do with damdred
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 13:42 GMT
#551
On January 17 2017 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Since when is considered having no scumreads or not trying to find scum in general considered townie? Cause that's what Damdred looks like to me and Hapa said something similar at the very least and you know, he is right too.

I challenge you to find me anything resembling a scumread in Damdreds filter if you decide not to vote him off.

And HF telling me what your perspective in general was doesn't excuse that what you said about Damdreds read on LS not only misses the point of what Hapa accused him off, but also tries to argue that Damdred is town cause as mafia he doesn't townread LS. What kind of reasoning is that???

If having scumreads is considered scummy, then that's how Hapa was the majority of the game. Having no scumreads means nothing. Not looking for scum is scummy. Damdred is doing it in his own way - by crossing people off a lynch list before POEing the lynch. And that's how he ususally plays D1.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 17 2017 13:43 GMT
#552
Well it does but that post was made exclusively to call out hapa not caring about things in the thread
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 13:45 GMT
#553
Vivax I don't understand why you're not voting Hapa with your mindset. I don't see how you can conclude that Hapa has a townie line of thought in his filter, as you've said at some point. This is the opposite. He even said it that it was the case. That you cannot see it, that you even think the opposite, is weird
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 17 2017 13:46 GMT
#554
please remember you must vote
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 13:46 GMT
#555
On January 17 2017 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I feel better about Hapa, he posts very accurately and diligently which on its own wouldn't be AI but I get the feeling that it walks us through a legitimate thought process, so that's useful.

nope
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22191 Posts
January 17 2017 13:47 GMT
#556
On January 17 2017 22:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Since when is considered having no scumreads or not trying to find scum in general considered townie? Cause that's what Damdred looks like to me and Hapa said something similar at the very least and you know, he is right too.

I challenge you to find me anything resembling a scumread in Damdreds filter if you decide not to vote him off.

And HF telling me what your perspective in general was doesn't excuse that what you said about Damdreds read on LS not only misses the point of what Hapa accused him off, but also tries to argue that Damdred is town cause as mafia he doesn't townread LS. What kind of reasoning is that???

If having scumreads is considered scummy, then that's how Hapa was the majority of the game. Having no scumreads means nothing. Not looking for scum is scummy. Damdred is doing it in his own way - by crossing people off a lynch list before POEing the lynch. And that's how he ususally plays D1.


Did he tell you that? Cause he didn't say any of the sort iirc, are you his spokesperson now? It just doesn't make sense to me how you can't be even suspicious of him in the slightest. At the very least as town he puts out a few possibilities for people to be scum, maybe adding that he won't lynch them D1 like he does with me almost all the time. But HE DOES have reads, and doesn't just kind of exist alongside us.

On January 17 2017 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Well it does but that post was made exclusively to call out hapa not caring about things in the thread


You accused Hapa of not changing his read on Damdred with that information. Implying you think that Damdred should be townread cause he doesn't townread LS as mafia.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 13:48 GMT
#557
On Holyflare

Nothing Holyflare has said changes my mind. If the best he can do today is an OMGUS case against me, he should hang.

More specifically on this in a bit.

On Rels
My impression of his filter was that he was tunneled. Not that he was mafia. I really have no sense (like Onegu and Slam) that his reads are forced and whatnot. While his post "wanting to read Onegu town" was strange, I don't think that's independently enough to lynch him.

On Slam
On January 17 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
that's also waht I expect from Slam and what's missing from him. THere is no read, only no-content posts. It's like he's forcing himself to have no read. And he's lecturing people about it, saying stuff like "if you think I'm scum for having no scumreads you're bad". Weird mix of having no opinion, seemlingly having fun, but still teaching people about the game


I don't think this makes him mafia. I spent a lot of time meta-ing him last night in drawing the conclusion that I did to vote Holyflare. His two most recent scum-games are Outlaw Mini and Mini Down Under 3. The former is quite useful, the latter he never really has any activity (and therefore not much to draw from it).

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam
Mafia Slam in "Outlaw" is very Bipolar. He has two moods: "TROLLY CHUZPAZI" (or however you pronounce that) and one-lined jabs at people calling them suspicious or mafia. There's actually very little emotionally in the middle of those two "modes". You'll notice he's perfectly capable of calling people suspicious and having reads as mafia.

His town games are noticeably different. He has a lot of moments of introspection, self-awareness, good humor, and even "coaching" other players.

I see a lot more of town-Slam so far than mafia-Slam.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 13:49 GMT
#558
On January 17 2017 22:47 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 22:42 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Since when is considered having no scumreads or not trying to find scum in general considered townie? Cause that's what Damdred looks like to me and Hapa said something similar at the very least and you know, he is right too.

I challenge you to find me anything resembling a scumread in Damdreds filter if you decide not to vote him off.

And HF telling me what your perspective in general was doesn't excuse that what you said about Damdreds read on LS not only misses the point of what Hapa accused him off, but also tries to argue that Damdred is town cause as mafia he doesn't townread LS. What kind of reasoning is that???

If having scumreads is considered scummy, then that's how Hapa was the majority of the game. Having no scumreads means nothing. Not looking for scum is scummy. Damdred is doing it in his own way - by crossing people off a lynch list before POEing the lynch. And that's how he ususally plays D1.


Did he tell you that? Cause he didn't say any of the sort iirc, are you his spokesperson now? It just doesn't make sense to me how you can't be even suspicious of him in the slightest. At the very least as town he puts out a few possibilities for people to be scum, maybe adding that he won't lynch them D1 like he does with me almost all the time. But HE DOES have reads, and doesn't just kind of exist alongside us.

I read his filter and saw that. The uneasiness, the townreads, the doubts about Hapa. It could be fake, I'm not hardtownreading him. But it is there.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22191 Posts
January 17 2017 13:50 GMT
#559
If HF is mafia this is one of the reasons. I will vote HF if I don't get a Damdred lynch. I will not vote Hapa. The central argumentation by HF is that his posting seems forced. And even if it looks forced at times I don't think it's cause Hapa is mafia, but cause he's trying to keep up a high standard.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22191 Posts
January 17 2017 13:51 GMT
#560
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.

What's your read on each other anyways?
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