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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:20 GMT
#581
Vivax I agree that there is something I don't understand about that HF read.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:22 GMT
#582
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This is such a convulated read to have.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:23 GMT
#583
[QUOTE]On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia. [/QUOTE]

So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?[Quote]

Explain?

[Quote]And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.[/Quote]

This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

[Quote]The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.[/QUOTE]

I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:23 GMT
#584
Oh god that post is an abortion.

On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.


So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?


Explain?

And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.


This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.


I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:24 GMT
#585
On January 17 2017 23:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This is such a convulated read to have.


It's almost like HF is mafia throwing shade at everything he can in that post and seeing what sticks.

It's almost like that's a fucking mafia tell.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:26 GMT
#586
But at the same time people thought the same thing when I thought Damdred had TMI on LS while not townreading LS, that it was too weird to be genuine.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:27 GMT
#587
From my experience: when a good player (Holyflare) is picking the most bullshit reasoning to call the player you (Rels) are tunneling (Hapa) mafia, that's a pretty large red flag.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:27 GMT
#588
But at the same time HF is voting Damdred just after that post. When he just criticized Hapa for scumreading Damdred without scumreading LS
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:28 GMT
#589
On January 17 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just gonna sit on damdred and see where it goes, it's majority shit lynch anyway.

Why that vote ? Did you think LS was scum at that point ?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:28 GMT
#590
STOP. GIVING. OUT. SHITTY. TOWN-TELLS. THAT. ARE. MEANINGLESS.

MEANINGLESS!
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:29 GMT
#591
On January 17 2017 23:27 Rels wrote:
But at the same time HF is voting Damdred just after that post. When he just criticized Hapa for scumreading Damdred without scumreading LS



DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING

WINARRRRRRRR
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:32 GMT
#592
There is a clear problem with HF
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:33 GMT
#593
This is HolyFlare's story:

a) HF is suspicious of the entire thread.
b) HF sees myself (hapa) and Vivax vote Damdred.
c) HF is lazy, votes Damdred, and "sees where it goes."
d) HF sees a case against him in the morning, attacks the player who made the case because he hated that player's vote on Damdred, despite HF having made the exact same vote?!?!?

From HF himself:
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:34 GMT
#594
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:34 GMT
#595
It's fucking hypocritical-ception.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:36 GMT
#596
My schedule today:

I'll be around for another half hour. Then driving my dad to the hospital for an appointment. I'll be back around 10:45est ish, and will be in thread until deadline.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:36 GMT
#597
On January 17 2017 23:33 Hapahauli wrote:
This is HolyFlare's story:

a) HF is suspicious of the entire thread.
b) HF sees myself (hapa) and Vivax vote Damdred.
c) HF is lazy, votes Damdred, and "sees where it goes."
d) HF sees a case against him in the morning, attacks the player who made the case because he hated that player's vote on Damdred, despite HF having made the exact same vote?!?!?

From HF himself:
Show nested quote +
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.

No that is not why HF is scum. HF having tons of scumreads and being lazy about them mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.
But the thing Vivax posted is super damning on the other hand
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 17 2017 14:36 GMT
#598
On January 17 2017 23:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh god that post is an abortion.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.


So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?


Explain?

Show nested quote +
And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.


This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

Show nested quote +
The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.


I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.


Explain what? You are afraid that Damdred is HFs designated mislynch. How can you know for sure that HF isn't voting his scumbuddy off? Just, please don't use that method. It won't work with HF.

And using the thread direction as indicator for whether the main lynch is town is also very dangerous. I use this almost only in lylo and then it doesn't lead me to conclusions, only to trying to dig other reads up and scramble the game around a bit if I feel like mafia is about to win.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 14:38 GMT
#599
k let's kill the best player in the game
##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:41 GMT
#600
On January 17 2017 23:36 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh god that post is an abortion.

On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.


So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?


Explain?

And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.


This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.


I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.


Explain what? You are afraid that Damdred is HFs designated mislynch. How can you know for sure that HF isn't voting his scumbuddy off? Just, please don't use that method. It won't work with HF.


I'm being inarticulate. The point I've been trying to make is that I think Damdred is a coinflip at best.

And using the thread direction as indicator for whether the main lynch is town is also very dangerous. I use this almost only in lylo and then it doesn't lead me to conclusions, only to trying to dig other reads up and scramble the game around a bit if I feel like mafia is about to win.


I've used this many times successfully. It's worked for me pretty well as town. I've swung quite a few last-minute lynches on mafia in my time on TL, starting from gut feels about thread direction.
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