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Rels you're tunneled. Stop being bad.
a) You took a quote from Rayn describing my play from a game where I was a 3rd party on day 1 when I was actively looking for mafia and for all purposes town. I got lynched in that game on Day 2 when my objectives changed and therefore I stopped giving a shit about the game.
b) I don't think you realize just how bad my game is as mafia.
c) "All of Hapa's stuff is forced" is just some neublous general observation that I can't even address because there isn't any clarity to it. What is forced? This is a game in which I'm trying whatever I can to get people to talk, and no shit something like that will sound forced and manufactured, because it is.
d) "Only scum say their play is forced and manufactured" is just a shit general tell, that you've probably just seen one mafia do and therefore assume that only mafia do it. You clearly cared enough about my meta to look into that Rayn post. Why not look into my last town game? Where I make some forced case on someone (DarthPunk) early in the game and get tunneled a bunch for it early.
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On January 17 2017 22:48 Hapahauli wrote:On SlamShow nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
that's also waht I expect from Slam and what's missing from him. THere is no read, only no-content posts. It's like he's forcing himself to have no read. And he's lecturing people about it, saying stuff like "if you think I'm scum for having no scumreads you're bad". Weird mix of having no opinion, seemlingly having fun, but still teaching people about the game I don't think this makes him mafia. I spent a lot of time meta-ing him last night in drawing the conclusion that I did to vote Holyflare. His two most recent scum-games are Outlaw Mini and Mini Down Under 3. The former is quite useful, the latter he never really has any activity (and therefore not much to draw from it). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=AlakaslamMafia Slam in "Outlaw" is very Bipolar. He has two moods: "TROLLY CHUZPAZI" (or however you pronounce that) and one-lined jabs at people calling them suspicious or mafia. There's actually very little emotionally in the middle of those two "modes". You'll notice he's perfectly capable of calling people suspicious and having reads as mafia. His town games are noticeably different. He has a lot of moments of introspection, self-awareness, good humor, and even "coaching" other players. I see a lot more of town-Slam so far than mafia-Slam.
First, as he said himself, this is an old game. If you wanna compare meta, do it with the game that just finished in which he was town.
Second, I saw some posts that are similar in this filter and in this game. But that doesn't mean anything. OFC he's capable of "calling people suspicious and having reads as mafia". It's not that hard. That's not why I think he's scum. It's because nothing can be read under his posts. No thought process, no reads, no state of the game. He thinks that Hapa and HF are great players that shoudlnt be lynched D1 and that is it.
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And what the fuck are with these "so and so posting is forced, therefore they are mafia" cases?!?
They are just useless lazy cases that give no one ANY evidence for why we should lynch them. Whether you consider something "forced" or not is completely subjective, unless you give actual evidence.
"Herp derp, so and so's posting is forced, ergo he's mafia" gives nothing to ANYONE. If that's the standard that this town will have for finding mafia, we will lose, because it provides perfect cover for people to be 1000000% useless.
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On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.
What's your read on each other anyways?
Town.
Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad.
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Rels, that's his last scumgame. Meta analysis is pointless unless you can point to how a guy plays as BOTH mafia and town.
It seems like Slam had an unusually high standard of posting last game as town. That's all that is.
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Damdred gets a golden noose with candy hearts.
HF gets thrown into the brimstone pits as the unholy creature that he is.
And Rels I sentence to death by snu snu
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On January 17 2017 22:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.
What's your read on each other anyways? Town. Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad.
Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site.
And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it.
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On Holyflare:
On January 17 2017 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'll draw you a pretty picture of where I'm at when I finish work.
Hapa how come you think I'm mafia when my list of potential mafia are everyone you've been calling out? Ls, you've said he starts to fit damdred's meta of being lazy but never follow that up further and "at a stretch" he's not even in your list of, now 3, mafia suspects.
You wanted to lynch damdred for what reason? That he's playing the same as you and that's it?
Onegu? Not doing anything?
Me? Not pushing stuff?
This list of people is incredibly superficial and you have no actual reasons, despite there being ACTUAL reasons to scum read these people or town read them.
Missing the point.
Me and a lot of other people this game have had problems finding suspicious people. Ergo, lynch lurkers.
You apparently think everyone is mafia. Ergo... lynch lurkers?
Very much not the same. I and others have reached my conclusions based on how lost we have felt with the game. You are seemingly sitting on a trove of information and leads and are not doing anything wiht them. Ergo, mafia.
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.
None of the above feature in your thoughts whatsoever (maybe 1 does) but you never bother pushing it or enquiring more or conversing with other people. You're not thinking critically about the game, you're throwing out names of people for lazy/low activity/no content and hoping something sticks.
What the actual fuck does Damdred have to do anything with? How in the actual fuck does the bolded make any sense towards me being mafia?
I had my vote on Damdred. I didn't' like it. I posted in detail at the top of 26 why. Then I voted you because I'm more suspicious of you.
And how do you call me mafia for throwing out lazy/low activity names AFTER I MAKE MY CASE ON YOU?!!
You are not this thick as town.
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On January 17 2017 22:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Rels you're tunneled. Stop being bad.
a) You took a quote from Rayn describing my play from a game where I was a 3rd party on day 1 when I was actively looking for mafia and for all purposes town. I got lynched in that game on Day 2 when my objectives changed and therefore I stopped giving a shit about the game.
b) I don't think you realize just how bad my game is as mafia.
I don't care about your attitude in that particular game. rayn quote described your general scum game, and described what I'm feeling about you in this particular game.
On January 17 2017 22:55 Hapahauli wrote:
c) "All of Hapa's stuff is forced" is just some neublous general observation that I can't even address because there isn't any clarity to it. What is forced? This is a game in which I'm trying whatever I can to get people to talk, and no shit something like that will sound forced and manufactured, because it is.
Want examples ? OK.
On January 16 2017 03:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Since you can't read my shoulders from your computer screen, what gives you the impression that I'm tense? Your posts give me the impression that you sit in front of the computer screen with an attitude like "alright, I'm here, I need to do something, fucking give me something to do already". Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things.
Explanation that don't come out of townie often.
On January 16 2017 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:Sure. A town thought process is straightforward. I think "x" is mafia because "reasons." I think "post" is scummy because "reasons." This was not the thought process here. Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote:... I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now  ... This isn't straightforward. You find what I was doing "sort of scummy", but immediately discredit your own observation by stating that "you're still ruminating." This very round-about thought process is scummy.
This sounds logical but doesn't make anyone mafia. Typically the sort of things scum attakc people for.
On January 16 2017 05:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 05:36 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:
"Agree here" = I didn't like HolyFlare's entrance. Do you find it scummy? Yes. #1 Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
I like that vivax drew his conclusion, I like that hapa called it weird because I felt the same.
That is all. #2 Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Your attempt at diplomacy bores me.
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently. #2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level".
Logical inconsistency that look good but don't make anyone scum. Again.
On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this?
Shitty question.
On January 17 2017 01:38 Hapahauli wrote:I need an explanation for some of your posts last night Damdred. 1) Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 09:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh I'm partial to people defending me tbh. I think it's it's non point though both ways as I have no reason to lie about mistaking something.
Maybe hapa could be scum but I sont think it makes him scum here. 2) Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Eh if like to talk some actually hf.
I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it.
But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does. 3) Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 10:14 Damdred wrote:
Ok fine with family time so I can make an actual good response.
Vivax was pretty t owny from his first few posts (to this point). That was why the fight originally felt a bit strange and off to me, it seemed like hapa was going after vivax for no real reason except to have things to do
I didn't question the unvotw because I felt like vivax was only getting more towny aas it went. (Vivax only real meh moment was his read on you). So it felt like at the time hapa just realized vivax was making sense to me.
I think outside that hapa should tell us how he reads vivax now. And how he actually reads the interchange between hf and myself. You make all three of these posts last night basically back to back to back. - In post 1, you say you are "partial" to people defending you, which implies that you liked my defense of you. You ultimately conclude that my posting was at the very least non-alignment indicative. - In post 2, merely 4 minutes later, this you call me mafia for the same reasons as in post 1. - In post 3, 20 minutes later, you talk about me a ton, but waffle between calling my actions scummy and calling them excusable. I don't understand this train of thought at all.
Again. Inconsistency that look good 'cause it's logical but don't make people scum.
On January 17 2017 01:41 Hapahauli wrote:@ SlamShow nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:07 Alakaslam wrote:On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax? Because for once, you are someone who has used reason over emotion here. This is just a generalization. What posts in particular involve "reason"? Holyflare and Vivax posted a ton too - is there not "reason over emotion" in their filters?
Pointless question. Nothing can come out of it that advances the game further.
etc etc. All of your filter is filled with this.
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On January 17 2017 23:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 22:58 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.
What's your read on each other anyways? Town. Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad. Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site. And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it.
I don't townread HF confidelty. I think I'll never townread HF confidently 'cause he's a super good scum. He seems town for now though. The way he pressured Damdred at the beginning then stopped. The way he expressed having lots of people he wants to lynch. And he's seeing the same things I do on Hapa's filter.
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Rels, I too can make a list of "shitty town reads" you have provided the thread and call you mafia. Your filter is "full of them." But that would make me a bad and superficial player.
What you call "forced posting" is me being lost, and trying anything to get someone to talk in an inactive game. No shit that will sound forced. No shit the questions will not be pretty.
Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages.
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On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.
##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.
Is this still your only reason to unvote Damdred?
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I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:
1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.
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On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Rels, I too can make a list of "shitty town reads" you have provided the thread and call you mafia. Your filter is "full of them." But that would make me a bad and superficial player.
Nope. Wrong reads don't make people scum. Not really looking or scum make people scum. Not trying to solve the game for real make people scum.
On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
What you call "forced posting" is me being lost, and trying anything to get someone to talk in an inactive game. No shit that will sound forced. No shit the questions will not be pretty.
That's what I feel about Damdred's filter. Not yours.
On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages.
I read your case. I talked about it. I feel the opposite. HF having "too many scumreads" and being lazy about them don't make him scum. I don't feel like he's faking it.
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This
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
Should read
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE unlike mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
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On January 17 2017 23:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages. I read your case. I talked about it. I feel the opposite. HF having "too many scumreads" and being lazy about them don't make him scum. I don't feel like he's faking it.
You realize that you're speaking about one of the better town players on this site, right?
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On January 17 2017 23:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:01 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2017 22:58 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.
What's your read on each other anyways? Town. Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad. Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site. And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it. I don't townread HF confidelty. I think I'll never townread HF confidently 'cause he's a super good scum. He seems town for now though. The way he pressured Damdred at the beginning then stopped. The way he expressed having lots of people he wants to lynch. And he's seeing the same things I do on Hapa's filter.
And I have just shown how he made an argument that only makes sense for someone believing or knowing that Damdred is mafia.
Damdred is town cause he hard townread LS and he only does that as mafia, is more or less what he said.
I repeat what I said earlier, with the most important parts onyl quoted:
What HF said:
Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred
In response to Hapa:
The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.
from HFs perspective it looks like:
Hapa is scumreading Damdred cause his only read of own volition was LS.
Hapa shouldn't cause LS said mafia Damdred never hard town reads him.
Damdred is mafia and hard townreads LS, ergo he is not mafia.
Might be TMI shining through here. But either way HFs entire Damdred read seems foul.
Now if you can explain that away in a credible way I will be able to believe that you are townreading HF, but until then, the line of reasoning he used doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how anyone townie can say that.
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Like FFS, you're holding Slam to a higher standard than Holyflare. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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On January 17 2017 23:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:13 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages. I read your case. I talked about it. I feel the opposite. HF having "too many scumreads" and being lazy about them don't make him scum. I don't feel like he's faking it. You realize that you're speaking about one of the better town players on this site, right?
so ? I saw him act that way. He is usually lazy. In fact I think I never saw him tryhard D1
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On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:
1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.
So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?
And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.
The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.
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