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On January 17 2017 12:41 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 12:39 Alakaslam wrote:On January 17 2017 06:49 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:On January 17 2017 02:43 Alakaslam wrote:On January 17 2017 02:31 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2017 02:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait
See LS you pointed out in Damdred something I don't like.
Not scummy per se, mind you, I just don't like it:
Soft defending is scummy.
Oh really? I thought attacking everyone you see was scummy. Or attacking no one at all.
See scum have all the options in the world. Cause ultimately, the best play as scum is to be townie. So
Lol Both of the bolded can be considered scummy depending on context and or what else they done with it. Exactly! But town is capable of both. What if you simply actually think someone is town- but only kind of? See what you just pointed out is the correctness. But I digress. So me one has asked me who I think is scum via the question, "who do you want to lynch today". Thus far? I say wait for the inactives! It is still day one. But forced to pick now, I would lynch rels from pure moguls. But he has made sense, so even there I can't honestly lynch him. He makes sense. But if I HAD TI DECIDE RIGHT NOW then there you are. Ñot exactly helpful but there I did it ñoñ Slam I don't understand why you would pick me Oh moguls should read OMGUS. That's my phone. I don't even scumread you, it was omgus. But now it'd be onegu for doing squat and omgus on top of that ...
Well I didn't vote you. I am caught up now and agree; he is also trying to lynch Hapa. No ty
##Vote: Rels
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Vote Count
LightningStrike (0) : Hapahauli
Vivax (0) : Hapahauli
Damdred (2) : Holyflare, Vivax, Hapahauli
Rels (1) : Vivax , Onegu
Alakaslam (0) : Rels, Onegu
Hapahauli (1) : Rels
Holyflare (1) : Hapahauli
Not voting (4) :Damdred, Bill Murray, LightningStrike, Alakaslam
Currently, no one is set to be lynched!
The day phase will end at Tuesday, Jan 17 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
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First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.
I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious.
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On January 17 2017 12:54 Hapahauli wrote:
First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.
I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious.
I am not considering lynching either you or HF at this time. I have changed; I don't lynch or shoot greats before day 2.
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Ok. Can't say I expected this Rels stuff. I have my thoughts, but I think it's better to let him defend himself.
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On January 17 2017 12:54 Hapahauli wrote:
First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.
I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious.
I have seen town HF have so many scum reads it was dumb. And I have seen town HF have very few scumreads day 1. I really just dont try to read him until later in the game. My thoughts is if he is town scum have to shoot him because he will figure things out eventually. And if he is scum is reads later in the game wont make as much sense and he will still be alive which under normal circumstances he wont. I have been in games where scum left him alive until mylo and he solved the game. It just takes time for me to form a read I am comfortable with on him.
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Alright I am going to get to sleep a bit early now. Hopefully so I can wake up early get my son up early bathed clothed fed and to his grandmother to watch him for a bit so I can be around for this ridiculously early deadline for EST people...
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On January 17 2017 13:59 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 12:54 Hapahauli wrote:
First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.
I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious. I have seen town HF have so many scum reads it was dumb. And I have seen town HF have very few scumreads day 1.
That's not really the point. Does town-HF have that many scum reads (most of whom were active in the thread), and instead plop his vote on Damdred to "see where it goes"? His vote seems very half-hearted and uninterested, which is weird as shit considering how many people he was actually suspicious of. You'd think he'd find a target to passionately go after.
I really just dont try to read him until later in the game. My thoughts is if he is town scum have to shoot him because he will figure things out eventually. And if he is scum is reads later in the game wont make as much sense and he will still be alive which under normal circumstances he wont. I have been in games where scum left him alive until mylo and he solved the game. It just takes time for me to form a read I am comfortable with on him.
Just try. It's not that hard.
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On January 17 2017 14:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 13:59 Onegu wrote:On January 17 2017 12:54 Hapahauli wrote:
First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.
I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious. I have seen town HF have so many scum reads it was dumb. And I have seen town HF have very few scumreads day 1. That's not really the point. Does town-HF have that many scum reads (most of whom were active in the thread), and instead plop his vote on Damdred to "see where it goes"? His vote seems very half-hearted and uninterested, which is weird as shit considering how many people he was actually suspicious of. You'd think he'd find a target to passionately go after. Show nested quote +I really just dont try to read him until later in the game. My thoughts is if he is town scum have to shoot him because he will figure things out eventually. And if he is scum is reads later in the game wont make as much sense and he will still be alive which under normal circumstances he wont. I have been in games where scum left him alive until mylo and he solved the game. It just takes time for me to form a read I am comfortable with on him. Just try. It's not that hard.
Yeah Ill do it my way. I am town hapa and I will do it my way. When I am scum Ill do it your way Teacher.
If I say I am not good at reading HF day 1 and have incorrectly read him multiple times attempting to do so you have to respect that.
Which makes HF null to me now and lynching him would be a 2/9 chance of getting it correct. And if we get it wrong and lynch a town HF we lose one of the best scum hunters on this site. So the fact that you want me to keep looking at someone who I have already told you I have incorrectly read multiple times attempting to do so you want me to make a read on someone that I will already have no faith in my read on.
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Goodnight boys, and girls if there are any.
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Being lazy doesn't make me mafia lol
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It's majority lynch so I don't particularly care who who gets lynched. I'm sad Damdred didn't do much at all though.
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I don't even think damdred is that likely mafia :D :D :D
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I'll draw you a pretty picture of where I'm at when I finish work.
Hapa how come you think I'm mafia when my list of potential mafia are everyone you've been calling out? Ls, you've said he starts to fit damdred's meta of being lazy but never follow that up further and "at a stretch" he's not even in your list of, now 3, mafia suspects.
You wanted to lynch damdred for what reason? That he's playing the same as you and that's it?
Onegu? Not doing anything?
Me? Not pushing stuff?
This list of people is incredibly superficial and you have no actual reasons, despite there being ACTUAL reasons to scum read these people or town read them.
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.
None of the above feature in your thoughts whatsoever (maybe 1 does) but you never bother pushing it or enquiring more or conversing with other people. You're not thinking critically about the game, you're throwing out names of people for lazy/low activity/no content and hoping something sticks.
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On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.
How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!
You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.
States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).
And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.
And that went on longer than I wanted Okay. Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10? It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard. I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls. Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS.
On January 17 2017 01:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:07 Damdred wrote:On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.
How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!
You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.
States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).
And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.
And that went on longer than I wanted Okay. Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10? It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard. I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls. Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS. I actually see differently after I looked at his filter and read the thread. Yeah hes not super in tune yet with his reads being present but hes going out of his way to find examples of previous games where certain situations have occured. Mainly dealing with me, but I think its a good sign that he is doing things like that. I think it shows the opposite of being lazy, not many people would bother to comb throughg ames to find examples of what hes talking about.Wouldn't lynch today at all, but i think hes pretty towny currently. I think many people would. Is that just a standard for LS?
You see that LS hasn't done anything and is being lazy, he hasn't posted more, the damdred meta of ls linking games is wrong. Why doesn't LS feature at all in your reads?
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Nice post by Onegu. I really dislike that HF is getting cold feet on Damdred and
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be.
this doesn't explain at all why you even voted for him in the first place. You said he was playing a different game then kept the vote parked on him without ever doing much about it. Why aren't you voting the ones you actually want to lynch? Your read on Damdred makes no sense HF.
So I checked for what your opinion on Damdred was so far and how you reacted to Hapa posting arguments for him being mafia and saw this:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:
In which you don't even discuss the validity of the argument but just assess that Hapa is playing the same (which I disagree with), and I don't even know what LS has to do with this. Why'd you talk about Damdreds read on LS when the argument is about the bigger picture of how Damdred is playing.
On January 17 2017 02:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:
Hapa I might be tunneled. But again all of these questions seem pointless to me. They look good but won't add anything meaningful. Not the Vivax one, but the other two What I'm ultimately trying to get at with Damdred, is that I feel he's been a non-entity this game. The contributions he has made have not been of his own volition, but have been from his responses to people questioning him. The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time. The question on you was because I was looking into Vivax's case, which still doesn't make much sense to me.
So what is Hapa supposed to acknowledge? That doesn't change the validity of the bolded.
Makes me wonder why HF even makes that argument cause it seems like it comes from someone knowing that Damdred is scum.
Again:
Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred
from HFs perspective it looks like:
Hapa is scumreading Damdred cause his only read of own volition was LS.
Hapa shouldn't cause LS said mafia Damdred never hard town reads him.
Damdred is mafia and hard townreads LS, ergo he is not mafia.
Might be TMI shining through here. But either way HFs entire Damdred read seems foul.
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I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.
Hapa on the other hand, his read on damdred doesn't make the least bit of sense. There is no read. He's left damdred as an open read the entire game and still has in fact. Nothing hapa has stated has has made damdred mafia but he didn't even outline any reasons for staying on damdred over anyone else other than damdred is lazy and it's the best he's got. There's plenty of IN DEPTH reasons that damdred could be mafia (or town) but Hapa never mentions any of them at all.
Every vote of his is superficial (me being lazy...?).
The LS thing is because in Hapa's world LS is doing everything that people call LS mafia for. Hapa has no follow up on it, it's a pointless endeavour. He should be scum reading LightningStrike but has no mention of him at all.
Hapa's reads are similar to mine but none of them have any other reason than "lazy, not doing much" which is a stark contrast to the reasons actually in the thread that I have/will outline.
So why is he voting me again?
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