EPTLiquidmania Qualifier #2
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Anyway it's sunday. Is our host still singing gospels in the church? | ||
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On January 16 2017 03:18 Hapahauli wrote: I am tense. I took my first yoga class yesterday and my shoulders are fucking killing me. It's like I have a knot within a knot on another knot. So you're trying to remodel yourself into a rubberband? I was mostly alluding to you being psychologically tense though. | ||
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On January 16 2017 03:22 Hapahauli wrote: Since you can't read my shoulders from your computer screen, what gives you the impression that I'm tense? Your posts give me the impression that you sit in front of the computer screen with an attitude like "alright, I'm here, I need to do something, fucking give me something to do already". I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now  Why scummy? Cause as scum posting early you'd be like. "What? Now I'm here to put in effort I don't have to actually put in and nobody's here?" and then you jump at things in a bit of an exaggerated manner to compensate for that. | ||
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On January 16 2017 03:31 Hapahauli wrote: Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things. You can think what you like, but you know the solution to reading me is pretty simple. Either I keep up with my try-harding (and I'm town), or my activity drops off like a cliff (and I'm mafia). I'm self-aware of this tell for sure, but I haven't been able to fix it. It's early in the game I'm perfectly fine with leaving it at that, just wanted to get a possible interpretation out of the system after noticing your attitude. On January 16 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote: I think Vivax might be town for his questioning onto Hapa or at least trying to draw a conclusion with his posts towards Hapa. Do you think I can't replicate that as scum? Dunno why you feel like posting this already. I mean ok, it's never bad to be posting reads. But just this post alone in the room looks a bit solitary. It's just that I'm used to everyone saying that I become obvious as scum as the game progresses and I thought you adopted that point of view as well. | ||
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If you put out an explanation for why I'm mafia that is deduced from the sum of your points I'll answer to that one, if you will. | ||
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On January 16 2017 04:01 Hapahauli wrote: Sure. A town thought process is straightforward. I think "x" is mafia because "reasons." I think "post" is scummy because "reasons." This was not the thought process here. This isn't straightforward. You find what I was doing "sort of scummy", but immediately discredit your own observation by stating that "you're still ruminating." This very round-about thought process is scummy. Nah it just feels too early for me to jump to definite conclusions based on a single observation. Your attitude back then could also be explained from a townie point of view, and ultimately I'm not going to make a decision on your alignment just based on that single point as I don't feel it already warrants a scumread. You looked pretty cramped and I explained why I thought it was slightly more likely to come from scum. Or in a nutshell: I don't reason in absolutes. And I don't think you are right that only town reasons in absolutes. I can mention points that catch my interest without them necessarily leading to a confident conclusion. | ||
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Why ask me about my meta read on you if the jist of all your points put together is that I discredited my own point? | ||
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You're missing my point. "X post is scummy" isn't absolute reasoning. I don't care about what the reasoning is. The point is that the statement is direct. The statement is clear. It has a straightforward objective. Town have no reason to hide, and every reason to communicate clearly about their intentions. There's very little point in announcing "this post may be suspicious". It's indirect. It is unclear. What exactly is the objective of announcing something you aren't sure about? Town has no reason to hide et cetera is just an empty phrase in this context. A truism that everyone will agree with while unrelated to the context, as I hid nothing. Smells a bit like a rhetorical trick where you mix statements nobody can disagree with into the rest of the (debatable) argumentation. My objective was to point out your attitude in the thread, which I did. And argue why it could come from scum, which I did. But my objective is also to not make a decision too early based on too little. And I believe it is too little on its own to outright call you scum for it. So I still don't know what point you are trying to make besides that I should reason in absolutes as town. Is the point now that I tried to hide something? On January 16 2017 04:28 Hapahauli wrote: I don't think the meta point would have led to any good conversation. I'd rather you address the part of your post I considered scummy than something I considered more non-alignment indicative. Your meta question just seems out of place to me. I literally have no idea why I should apply meta when I'm just having a conversation with someone scumreading me. So I'm wondering how it made it into your argumentation, which I still don't see explained. Maybe now you think that it's not important. But it's important to know what you were thinking at the time that you wrote that. | ||
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I really dislike having to post an opinion on Hapa at this point cause it's always hard to seem credible/unbiased when being attacked, but the first oddity I noticed is the way he went about it. Is it townie that you instantly make a case (with that out of place question about meta, I might add) with questions mixed in it that you could simply have asked beforehand? | ||
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On January 16 2017 05:32 Hapahauli wrote: "Agree here" = I didn't like HolyFlare's entrance. Do you find it scummy? | ||
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On January 16 2017 05:41 Hapahauli wrote: Yes. #1 #2 #2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level". I don't find it scummy, actually. It might even show that he's in a cozy mood cause in my experience mafia feels like they need to put something substantial on the table. And I don't believe that mafia HF would believe that to be enough. Maybe I'm overestimating his scum game but I believe, simply put, that he would try harder. For me it's just disappointing so far as he didn't have an own opinion about any of our points. Actually he earns some town points in my book for a post that looks bad on the surface. | ||
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Is this a troll post btw? I don't see how you can answer correct to multiple questions formulated as mutually exclusive. | ||
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On January 16 2017 20:46 Rels wrote: yo hi scum | ||
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On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote: This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town Not a fan of your argumentation here cause it should go "IF LS is town then Damdred is scum cause he spewed LS town". So first you would have to make a point for LS to be town. | ||
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You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town. Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town? | ||
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