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Generally speaking your give the replacement time to actually do things thanks you before you just automatically lunch him.
And b0ston obviously your think my slot is scummy anyway?
On the note on DF he is a possible scum from the limited amount of reading I have done. (Might change ) his reaction to the lynch was sommmmewhat unnatural to me.
Omega could be scum but I'm not sure atm he is nor of a policy than anything.
Unsure about a third possibility have a few filters to go through but the way the voting and lynch went down it made me think unless (will look into) it was a landslide that mafia reallydidnt care which person was lynched today overly and the way the thread re a up until eod not anyone was really going against or pushing another lynch.
More than likely scum didn't care as they are mainly avoiding conversation or are super in the edge atm.
Just prelim thoughts atm
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Eh I lied actually just looked at the vote, I'm kinda surprised some of the beta and better players didn't try to get a second real lynch going.
Super bad that many votes without any scum trying to push off really. And apparently nobody defending him. Really bad and indicative of a town lynch
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Yeah DF reaction to the lynch and his going about the lynch doesn't feel exactly right so far to me.
Me being off the lynch is interesting though. Need to look at votes, but the throw awayb is interesting there.
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On January 11 2017 10:51 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 10:49 Damdred wrote:
Yeah DF reaction to the lynch and his going about the lynch doesn't feel exactly right so far to me.
Me being off the lynch is interesting though. Need to look at votes, but the throw awayb is interesting there. same question (although slightly answered) what you think of SW team proposition?
If me is scum which is possible I don't think he's scum with sw necessarily.
It's possible, it's a distancing tactic but I don't think a newb would do it here.
No then again hunting just based on teams won't win is the game here as a don't have that info so is weigh both separately atm which I will do shortly.
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On January 11 2017 11:10 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 10:57 Damdred wrote:On January 11 2017 10:51 ika42 wrote:On January 11 2017 10:49 Damdred wrote:
Yeah DF reaction to the lynch and his going about the lynch doesn't feel exactly right so far to me.
Me being off the lynch is interesting though. Need to look at votes, but the throw awayb is interesting there. same question (although slightly answered) what you think of SW team proposition? If me is scum which is possible I don't think he's scum with sw necessarily. It's possible, it's a distancing tactic but I don't think a newb would do it here. No then again hunting just based on teams won't win is the game here as a don't have that info so is weigh both separately atm which I will do shortly. thats not what i mena, i mean the team of omg/calix/DF i have her as town
I don't think just on a cursery look I like that team necessarily.
I think Calix has a problem or two just from my skim, not really pushing the lynch away from (theboutside admittedly ) whatvlooked like a town lynch. But she has issued with tunneling as well as town in my experience. So kinda of meh oon her in General but will have a better grasp on a filter.
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Just a quick glance through filet so far but Cal I more a town lean atm. And from interaction ika is a town lean as well.
I do find me filter interesting, hyper self concious of himself. His vote today was bad and refusal to really go into any detail of his scum reads (in total) is bad. Lol he had a lot of reasons to vote someone else and push that but he just settles for really a no reason vote (throw away) when he could of had a seasoned vote.
Makes no sense.
Darth and me are my scum means atm
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Scum list:
Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much.
His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway.
I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow.
+ Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though
still reading filters atm any questions i'm around
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On January 09 2017 07:55 Vivax wrote:
A quick elaboration:
The reason for him jumping on Grack looked fabricated and probably is.
The case right now looks like he realized that he doesn't actually have real scumreads so he proceeded to make one.
And a bit is tone/style of the post. It suddenly comes out of nowhere and is just put out there. It introduces with "I feel that Onegu has fallen under the radar" which sounds awkward to me.
He also doesn't seem to engage in conversation for most of the game just works down the posts directed at him, apologizing etc.
Vivax why didn't you live so we could work together :'(
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I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread
Reads accurate to what hes been talking about
Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well
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On January 12 2017 02:17 Calix wrote:
I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.-
Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc?
(i've sort of missed you btw)
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On January 12 2017 02:27 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:19 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:17 Calix wrote:
I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.- Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc? (i've sort of missed you btw) Thanks, I didn't totally hate playing with you in the past either <3 I don't agree with most of your squishy reasons because they could be explained by him being new/ not knowing how people play here. Using strange logic is NAI, questioning why someone votes for a scum-read is NAI and I don't think his Onegu read by itself means a lot. Your point about him following thread sentiment is something I think holds true but you buried that among a lot of fluff points. I would like to hear your ME bad-town reason because he's one of my stronger scum-reads atm. His posts don't have a clear thought process and he admits to wanting to hide information with his vote which I don't see town motive for at all and nobody has given one. Can you explain your jump from Onegu maybe scum to Onegu prolly town? I don't have strong feelings on him - he just pops in, fires out some posts and then fucks off again and none of those posts have strong town or scum motivations imo.
Yeah its a bit fluffy tbh, his grack vote though is bad vivax saw it first so i wont' claim the idea. I think hes a decent scum lean though.
As for ME its so horrible, he asked the host in thread if people who die do the thread know who killed them etc. Its horrible reasoning but if he was scum he would just ask in his qt instead of hte thread more than likely or his scum coach would tel him. Totally horrible reasoning though, besides that he has a few scum signals though
I remembered something about onegu, the more useful onegu is early in the game the more likely he is scum really. Its difficult to pinpoint his alignment though later in the game hes easier to read if you can get him to put work in. But its more a gut feeling with how hes approaching the game and not really caring.
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On January 12 2017 02:23 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote:
I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread
Reads accurate to what hes been talking about
Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well silverwolf is female fyi
Whops well she ^_-
what do you think of silver?
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On January 12 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:23 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote:
I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread
Reads accurate to what hes been talking about
Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well silverwolf is female fyi Whops well she ^_- what do you think of silver? lmao How did you not figure out the answer from SW's filter?
I always call everyone he/him i still call gb a she hehe
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On January 12 2017 02:42 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:23 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote:
I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread
Reads accurate to what hes been talking about
Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well silverwolf is female fyi Whops well she ^_- what do you think of silver? lmao How did you not figure out the answer from SW's filter? I always call everyone he/him i still call gb a she hehe I meant the answer to "what do you think of SW?" since the way SW/ ika read each other is the most explained thing in the chat, lol.
oh well I forgot and just haven't read Ika yet tbh
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On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read.
Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty
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On January 12 2017 02:59 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:43 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:23 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote:
I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread
Reads accurate to what hes been talking about
Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well silverwolf is female fyi Whops well she ^_- what do you think of silver? lmao How did you not figure out the answer from SW's filter? I always call everyone he/him i still call gb a she hehe I meant the answer to "what do you think of SW?" since the way SW/ ika read each other is the most explained thing in the chat, lol. oh well I forgot and just haven't read Ika yet tbh It's weird that of all the things you asked ika about it's SW since that's something that everyone knows and ika has talked about a lot and SW is a town-read to you. Your priorities are whack there is what I am saying. I'm not sure how you're catching up or if you're just filter-diving but if you're reading the thread chronologically then I don't see how that slipped you by.
Just filter diving atm, my priorities just randomly select people and read them until i'm done.
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On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points.
No town reads or other scum reads?
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On January 12 2017 02:59 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Why did you have this reaction to Grack's play (basically stubbornness, right?) when ika and SW were basically doing the same thing. Ika was also very standoffish with Vivax later in the day, like did that "really progress the thread?" Why were/are you drawing different conclusions on them?
I sort of like this post its really natural and feels right.
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squishy is looking worse atm with every post meh.
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On January 12 2017 07:21 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 03:01 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points. No town reads or other scum reads? My townie reads are: SW, Ika, Calix, and ofc our sick play VIG Kmatt. scum: onegu, DF, ME
Can you explain each of your scum reads in a one to four sentence blurb.
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On January 12 2017 07:33 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:27 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:19 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:17 Calix wrote:
I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.- Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc? (i've sort of missed you btw) Thanks, I didn't totally hate playing with you in the past either <3 I don't agree with most of your squishy reasons because they could be explained by him being new/ not knowing how people play here. Using strange logic is NAI, questioning why someone votes for a scum-read is NAI and I don't think his Onegu read by itself means a lot. Your point about him following thread sentiment is something I think holds true but you buried that among a lot of fluff points. I would like to hear your ME bad-town reason because he's one of my stronger scum-reads atm. His posts don't have a clear thought process and he admits to wanting to hide information with his vote which I don't see town motive for at all and nobody has given one. Can you explain your jump from Onegu maybe scum to Onegu prolly town? I don't have strong feelings on him - he just pops in, fires out some posts and then fucks off again and none of those posts have strong town or scum motivations imo. Yeah its a bit fluffy tbh, his grack vote though is bad vivax saw it first so i wont' claim the idea. I think hes a decent scum lean though. As for ME its so horrible, he asked the host in thread if people who die do the thread know who killed them etc. Its horrible reasoning but if he was scum he would just ask in his qt instead of hte thread more than likely or his scum coach would tel him. Totally horrible reasoning though, besides that he has a few scum signals though I remembered something about onegu, the more useful onegu is early in the game the more likely he is scum really. Its difficult to pinpoint his alignment though later in the game hes easier to read if you can get him to put work in. But its more a gut feeling with how hes approaching the game and not really caring. Umm why can't I ask the host something in thread if its not clarified in the rules ? Get lost, when I hold activity and dumb posts, against people, like ' OH I AM IN THE HOSTPIAL ' , ' OH NOW I AM TITLED NOW ' ' OH NOW I AM GETTING SCREWED OVER BY MY CAR', I get called out for it, but when I ask questions when the rules are unclear, you want to go on about it. This looks so scummy to me. Do all Mafia have to agree on a kill to make the kill pass ? Thank you.
This is one of the reasons why questions generally aren't allowed in the thread to a mod and why you should communicate privately.
And generally speaking a kill is agreed upon by a team but sometimes a "head" mafia person just selects the kill as in the dominant player just picks it. Someone suggest it and everyone goes hey bro ok.
In any sense basically you asking certain questions to the host in thread gives the sense of you not having information the mafia would have. And literally i'm sitting here going man its shitty but it probably makes him town and you say thats scummy? Lol
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That sounded confrontational and i dont' mean it to exactly.
Its just mainly about information in thread vs information mafia have. One side has much more and in the case of newbs unless your coach is 100% coaching you through it, it probably makes you town for bad reasons. Just what happens sometimes.
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On January 12 2017 07:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 07:21 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 03:01 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points. No town reads or other scum reads? My townie reads are: SW, Ika, Calix, and ofc our sick play VIG Kmatt. scum: onegu, DF, ME Can you explain each of your scum reads in a one to four sentence blurb.
To add onto this I kinda want you to realy expand on DF as there really isn't much to go on in your filter about him at present.
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On January 12 2017 07:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 07:38 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 07:33 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:27 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:19 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:17 Calix wrote:
I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.- Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc? (i've sort of missed you btw) Thanks, I didn't totally hate playing with you in the past either <3 I don't agree with most of your squishy reasons because they could be explained by him being new/ not knowing how people play here. Using strange logic is NAI, questioning why someone votes for a scum-read is NAI and I don't think his Onegu read by itself means a lot. Your point about him following thread sentiment is something I think holds true but you buried that among a lot of fluff points. I would like to hear your ME bad-town reason because he's one of my stronger scum-reads atm. His posts don't have a clear thought process and he admits to wanting to hide information with his vote which I don't see town motive for at all and nobody has given one. Can you explain your jump from Onegu maybe scum to Onegu prolly town? I don't have strong feelings on him - he just pops in, fires out some posts and then fucks off again and none of those posts have strong town or scum motivations imo. Yeah its a bit fluffy tbh, his grack vote though is bad vivax saw it first so i wont' claim the idea. I think hes a decent scum lean though. As for ME its so horrible, he asked the host in thread if people who die do the thread know who killed them etc. Its horrible reasoning but if he was scum he would just ask in his qt instead of hte thread more than likely or his scum coach would tel him. Totally horrible reasoning though, besides that he has a few scum signals though I remembered something about onegu, the more useful onegu is early in the game the more likely he is scum really. Its difficult to pinpoint his alignment though later in the game hes easier to read if you can get him to put work in. But its more a gut feeling with how hes approaching the game and not really caring. Umm why can't I ask the host something in thread if its not clarified in the rules ? Get lost, when I hold activity and dumb posts, against people, like ' OH I AM IN THE HOSTPIAL ' , ' OH NOW I AM TITLED NOW ' ' OH NOW I AM GETTING SCREWED OVER BY MY CAR', I get called out for it, but when I ask questions when the rules are unclear, you want to go on about it. This looks so scummy to me. Do all Mafia have to agree on a kill to make the kill pass ? Thank you. This is one of the reasons why questions generally aren't allowed in the thread to a mod and why you should communicate privately. And generally speaking a kill is agreed upon by a team but sometimes a "head" mafia person just selects the kill as in the dominant player just picks it. Someone suggest it and everyone goes hey bro ok. In any sense basically you asking certain questions to the host in thread gives the sense of you not having information the mafia would have. And literally i'm sitting here going man its shitty but it probably makes him town and you say thats scummy? Lol What do you mean they are not allowed ? Did you read the rules ? It specifically says they are allowed. Can someone get me out of this game. PLEASE.
Really read what I said, questions generally aren't allowed in thread. That doesn't mean all things.
I am unsure why you are freaking out, basically you don't know something that a newb mafia member would know. I really don't understand why you are upset.
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On January 12 2017 07:47 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 07:30 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 07:21 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 03:01 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points. No town reads or other scum reads? My townie reads are: SW, Ika, Calix, and ofc our sick play VIG Kmatt. scum: onegu, DF, ME Can you explain each of your scum reads in a one to four sentence blurb. Onegu- Plethora of direction less posts. DF- agreeing with Calix without town reading her earlier makes me think he's trying to buddy her. ME- He is really concerned on how self conscious he is about voting. Not wanting to "give away info". Ninja votes someone he did not have a case for. Possibly sheeping btdt, because he knows he is town.
ok, the df part is interesting. Could you quote some posts showing where he starts townreading her vs where hes just agreeing to buddy?
And do you think you can agree with someone without town reading them exactly anyway? Is this really Alignment indicative?
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I'm not questioning your questions. I don't know why your tilting exactly but just stop and play the game you've mod confirmed yourself as town and basically if you die and we lynch town we lose.
People live together and play all the time I can think of 3-4 couples or friends. Should just trust they haven't really cheated I suppose. So how about come play the game ya?
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I have no clue dude just tilted for no reason.
Calix what do you think of squishy scum reads currently?
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Well lets try to play a bit really,
Darth what do you think the scum team is curently?
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On January 12 2017 08:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Well lets try to play a bit really,
Darth what do you think the scum team is curently? Asking about scum teams when we do not have a single scum flip is retarded. In fact, I think most of your questions suck and don't actually do anything to help push things forward.
Yeah well i'm trying to get something started and get up to date reads from people instad of talking about the crap thats happening so yeah. You can think my questions suck but oh well.
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Onegu will bus if he has to especially a weaker member of his team.
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On January 12 2017 08:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:12 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 08:07 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Well lets try to play a bit really,
Darth what do you think the scum team is curently? Asking about scum teams when we do not have a single scum flip is retarded. In fact, I think most of your questions suck and don't actually do anything to help push things forward. Yeah well i'm trying to get something started and get up to date reads from people instad of talking about the crap thats happening so yeah. You can think my questions suck but oh well. I don't get how you can get any relevant information from the questions you've asked since they're very...vague, I guess? And don't seem to be going anywhere. But I'll bite. What have you gained from what you've asked so far?
Actually got squishy to name scum reads instead of just harping on about onegu so far, DF especially doesn't make sense from his filter as he has nothing in it that would indicate a scum read currently. Nothing to much about ME either, and his attitude towards both in the thread really doesn't scream I think you are scum.
Darth replies looked ok and really reasonable coming from town. especially his williness to not force reads, he hasn't had a lot of experience s scum and lots of inexperienced scum try to shoehorn reads to make it seem like they are doing a lot.
So i've gotten some decent stuff so far to add to my thoughts.
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Which the shoe horning reads to make it look like you are doing things kmatt is a good fit for that. His reads post that has a lot of nulls with easy town reads for no reason.
I could see a squishy, kmat and boston "team" as in each are interesting.
Like if you look at Kmat somewhat scum read on boston (associative I know) it seems a bit TMI (most of his reads feel this way with the ease though). It just is interesting right now.
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I just don't believe it tbh, I think its a really bad shot if he is a vig and there is no real change in his filter that goes from town reading or leaning vivax to wanting to kill him.
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On January 12 2017 08:32 Calix wrote:
Also not impressed that your scum-team are all the new, inactive people who are not going to have many associative tells since they hardly ever post unless prompted to.
Which is another reason why trying to find the entire scum team this game is a terrible idea. If you're wrong on even one then the scummers can just get a ML on them.
I don't know why you think i'm sold on that 100% i've clearly shown multiple times i never settle for a scum read and let the people proove themselves to me one way or another.
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Also obviously if hes vig he shoots the person who gets the confirmed medic killed...instead of you know the person he was town reading earlier?
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On January 12 2017 08:39 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 07:40 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 07:30 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 07:21 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 03:01 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points. No town reads or other scum reads? My townie reads are: SW, Ika, Calix, and ofc our sick play VIG Kmatt. scum: onegu, DF, ME Can you explain each of your scum reads in a one to four sentence blurb. To add onto this I kinda want you to realy expand on DF as there really isn't much to go on in your filter about him at present. We will start with this one he does not have a town read on Calix but likes her posts. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 05:08 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:reps)squishyMade one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar. MichaelEhrmantrautWell he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now. ika42While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here gesoSilverwolf77I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other. B0stonSCI don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy. beentheredonethatpls GrackaroniStill waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently. If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here. KelsierSCTown enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You OneguAFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum. darthfoleyHis posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on? CalixNothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley. VivaxI don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town. So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small]. I question how closely you've read my posts if you think I don't have any reads. I'm townleaning SW and I like Calix's recent posts. I need more time to figure out Vivax and ika, but they're at least moving the game forward. I know his filter is small, but I feel like a new person like B0ston would be less likely to throw out a first vote on Onegu if he were scum. It's kind of pointless to talk about where I would place my vote in the next 5 minutes considering we have ~28 hours left and like 3 vets haven't really interacted with the game much (onegu, grack, btdt). That's excluding the newbies who haven't posted much either. Openly admits he is cool with sheeping with Calix Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:08 darthfoley wrote:
Also think I'm okay with sheeping you and Calix on boston if it comes to that "Show us the way master" shows that he is just going to follow what Calix will do. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 11:05 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:
No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course. I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes. Alright well show us the way, master + Show Spoiler + Finally puts a town read on Calix after my scum list came out. Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:10 darthfoley wrote:
It's kinda PoE for me ATM because I'm town reading SWika and calix
I thank you for the effort, just a couple more questions
I think a couple of those imply a town read if not overtly states it. Don't you think so? And that one quote sounds kind of sarcastic especially iwth the -_-.
But do you really think this is alignment indicative.
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On January 12 2017 08:43 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:37 Damdred wrote:
I just don't believe it tbh, I think its a really bad shot if he is a vig and there is no real change in his filter that goes from town reading or leaning vivax to wanting to kill him. It is weird, yes, but that's overruled by the whole "not counterclaimed" thing. But whatever. Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 08:32 Calix wrote:
Also not impressed that your scum-team are all the new, inactive people who are not going to have many associative tells since they hardly ever post unless prompted to.
Which is another reason why trying to find the entire scum team this game is a terrible idea. If you're wrong on even one then the scummers can just get a ML on them. I don't know why you think i'm sold on that 100% i've clearly shown multiple times i never settle for a scum read and let the people proove themselves to me one way or another. I didn't say that you were 100% convinced on that. I'm more of a "find one scum at a time until one flips" person. Dumb question, but is it common for people on this site to try and draw associations in LYLO/ MYLO with no scum flips? I actually don't know what optimal strategy for these kind of things are, lol.
Yeah but if we have a vig with a shot ready better for them nto to claim it and shoot, and the vet to only claim if they have to and try to draw a shot.
Like I just think the whole claim is bad even if its not counterclaimed, he even kinda alludes to it. And if he did stack with mafia vivax had to be onto at least one of the scum team I think.
As for that in lylo mylo its jsut better to start the game fresh tbh (maybe we will be wrong and me will turn out scum who turned suicidal maybe? kinda? no?  ). I generally don't like associative reads unless they do have common connectors really.
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Also squishy is that all really alignment indicative? Sheeping isn't necessarily just something mafia or town does right?
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On January 12 2017 08:47 Calix wrote:
I'm not seeing anything that suggests buddying, just insinuations and jokey comments that don't explicitly state "I town-read Calix"
well at least we agreed on something this thread so far.
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Yes I am suspicious of him claiming a shot on vivax, and think he could be fake claiming. But hes not worth considering in the first lylo and mafia probably have to deal with him or risk confirmed in 2 v 1 if we make it.
Currently I do think squishy is the more likely mafia atm.
And tommorow will be the day we all need to be really active to find at least one mafia I suppose.
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idk Boston is a good shot to, his reasoning aroudn the grack lynch was really weird. He was town reading Grack but never really stopped to consider that it was btdt fake claiming and just voted his town read. Really weird.
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Thats interesting.
Town read on Ika, Calix, DF
Meh: Onegu
Scum Lean: Squishy and boston
I left Kmatt out here since he claimed vig but now woudl be a decent time to cc if you are a vet basically.
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On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote:
What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
If you mean this. I am not sure tbh, why leave the vig alive in what is 100% mylo at this point?
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On January 12 2017 09:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:59 Damdred wrote:
idk Boston is a good shot to, his reasoning aroudn the grack lynch was really weird. He was town reading Grack but never really stopped to consider that it was btdt fake claiming and just voted his town read. Really weird. Thanks for reminding me, I was gonna ask what your thoughts on Boston are as I don't recall you filtering him. His filter's dreadful and the tone of his posts read like he feels hunted and the main reason I was doubting myself was because BTDT made that horrendous case against him. But since BTDT was town and Boston has not done anything to redeem himself then he is likely mafia. I would have to reread though to see if there's any town motivation for the things he's done.
I don't see a lot of town motivation really especially for his votes, he clearly states town read but never questions the other person who claimed. Seems like it was a run away train for grack lynch and he just hopped on for easy lynch without calling himself out at that point since btdt was next up anyway.
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On January 12 2017 09:08 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote:
Also squishy is that all really alignment indicative? Sheeping isn't necessarily just something mafia or town does right? It is NAI on its own. But if you connect the dots that he does not lead or push his own reads; it makes me feel weird. Since you are not seeing eye to eye with me it may just be my gut telling me then. But I feel he is trying to fly below the radar, and be another number in these townie lynches, rather than make his own arguments and risk being questioned.
I'm nto sure, sheeping isn't necessarily a scummy trait or following someone you think is town.
What do you think about his postings during hte night so far? Don't see any town indicators in it?
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On January 12 2017 09:09 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:07 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:06 Damdred wrote:On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote:
What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
If you mean this. I am not sure tbh, why leave the vig alive in what is 100% mylo at this point? This is a good point. you of all people should know this one calix...
What about why Vivax was killed then? You have him coming around on darth, he thinks onegu is town and he wasn't really scum reading Calix I believe at that point?
Right now gut feels like silver was killed cause he was the most town read person atm in the game.
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By oh its auto you mean onegu saying that right?
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On January 12 2017 09:22 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:21 Damdred wrote:
By oh its auto you mean onegu saying that right? yes
Yeah but it was auto and I mean he could do that as either alignment.
Honestly I think Vivax was killed for his squishy read currently (probably because we thought the same thing). And I don't know if I believe thats the 100% scum team here. Darth especially I think has been somewhat insightful this night. And his filter is actually rather big for what would be his second scum game i think.
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On January 12 2017 09:21 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:12 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 09:08 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote:
Also squishy is that all really alignment indicative? Sheeping isn't necessarily just something mafia or town does right? It is NAI on its own. But if you connect the dots that he does not lead or push his own reads; it makes me feel weird. Since you are not seeing eye to eye with me it may just be my gut telling me then. But I feel he is trying to fly below the radar, and be another number in these townie lynches, rather than make his own arguments and risk being questioned. I'm nto sure, sheeping isn't necessarily a scummy trait or following someone you think is town. What do you think about his postings during hte night so far? Don't see any town indicators in it? I believe his night posts were NAI Anyway although I think DF is scummy, Onegu is my main read and I think it is way worse letting him go under the radar so ##Vote: Onegu
Would you really want to risk the game killing onegu today and him being town? Like I understand frustration with someone not really playing that much. But i'm not sure if him not necessarily playing in this situation is super indicative.
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For the record currently I am voting B0ston I think he needs a bit of attention and how he acted aroudn the grack lynch and the game in general is indicative of scum.
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I'll be bak soon my head is hurting a bit
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I just think that calix is town here and i'm unsure what to make of whats goign to happen today. Like I don't think anyone is going to cc Kmatt and I probably wouldn't believe Boston at this point since hes the only one who hasn't been in thread today. I am going to sleep early and shoudl be back to actually scum hunt. But looking at the vote count makes me feel a bit strange, like squish has to be scum if boston is scum and that would be a weird mylo at the end. anyway be back
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On January 12 2017 18:52 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 12:00 Damdred wrote:
I just think that calix is town here and i'm unsure what to make of whats goign to happen today. Like I don't think anyone is going to cc Kmatt and I probably wouldn't believe Boston at this point since hes the only one who hasn't been in thread today. I am going to sleep early and shoudl be back to actually scum hunt. But looking at the vote count makes me feel a bit strange, like squish has to be scum if boston is scum and that would be a weird mylo at the end. anyway be back Does it feel weird because Boston is the leading wagon? Because I was thinking about whether that was AI and I came back empty-handed. If he's town then it's pretty simple, the scum are happily letting him get MLed. If he's scum then it gets messy. For starters, we have only lynched among the counter-claimers so there's little to be gleaned from VCA on both days. So you can't infer whether the Boston wagon progression on D1 means a lot since that was the only time that he was at risk of being lynched and you can't see if anyone was making an effort to subtly deflect off Boston the following days. Also hard to tell much from the votes since the main suspect is MIA, the other suspect is voting for the guy he's been scum-reading for the past few cycles and everyone else agrees that both of them are scummy. If those two are on a team (which is possible interactions-wise) then there isn't going to be a lot of resistance to them dying since the third guy is more likely to bus hard and try to stick it out in a 4v2/ 3v1 than risk going down on a sinking ship. In short, there's not enough information to know what the situation is. Did Boston even turn up during the night phase?
Like right now i'm not super sold on Onegu or kmatt being super lock town. So yeah i'm going to be a little meh, which if ika is town (which I think so at least) we need to convince him that going elsewhere is a horrible way to play mylo.
You know D1 lynch was interesting though because everyone jumped on grack but nobody even really looked at btdt like i really want to look at that vote real fast before i say why its interesting. Ill be back.
But i still think boston is the best lynch so far.
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Like I love hedging btw, i think its one of my great flaws in a mafia game.
I have this long spill about why Kmatt could be scum fake claiming, but the simplest answer is hes a newb that did a bad thing and now we are in this situation.
Which btw would take an extraordinary amount of balls to pull off the play Kmatt did. To claim a shot on vivax when he could get cc by another vig or a cop. (If boston is the cop here i'm really dissapointed he didn't claim d2 with a check and basically a red check on kmatt). Which basically means that Kmatt is confirmed at this point and we really shouldn't even think about CC in this situation as they really do not matter overall.
Kmatt play doesn't make total sense but town is more likely to make calculated gambles/mistakes on weird reasoning than scum who likes to have things just so and neat.
So yeah
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On January 12 2017 17:24 ika42 wrote:
I don't see much of a reason to overall.
I mean from your and my pov we know there must be one scum in the dam/calix/1g grouping
So I'm weary of just voting there outright to begin with. Will I prob
Vote it in the end? Yes
I just don't have much motivation right now
I'm not so sure if there is one scum in that grouping at all though. The fight between you and calix just screams t v t right now, both of you are a bit BM to an extent. And honestly what do you think about B0ston that hes town? You would have to believe that if you 100% go with the list that was left.
But why when there is actually good evidence to the contrary you are sort of ignoring at this juncture?
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On January 13 2017 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
lol there's no way Kmatt is scum fake claiming vigi because the real vig or the cop would have come out by now and we would have a somewhat easy cc battle
It's pointless to talk about him tbh
Eh not to pointless to talk out my thoughts in thread tbh, if i was the cop (which i'm not) I would of 100% waited for my second check to reveal adn basically have a solved game. ME sort of would of messed that plan up though.
In any case i don't think Kmatt would do such a risky play, hes just a bit underwhelming i suppose and if he did fake claim he did really good at it, especially claiming rb today i suppose.
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Well lets say B0Ston flips scum who else do you think DF?
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On January 13 2017 01:59 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Like I love hedging btw, i think its one of my great flaws in a mafia game.
I have this long spill about why Kmatt could be scum fake claiming, but the simplest answer is hes a newb that did a bad thing and now we are in this situation.
Which btw would take an extraordinary amount of balls to pull off the play Kmatt did. To claim a shot on vivax when he could get cc by another vig or a cop. (If boston is the cop here i'm really dissapointed he didn't claim d2 with a check and basically a red check on kmatt). Which basically means that Kmatt is confirmed at this point and we really shouldn't even think about CC in this situation as they really do not matter overall.
Kmatt play doesn't make total sense but town is more likely to make calculated gambles/mistakes on weird reasoning than scum who likes to have things just so and neat.
So yeah What bad thing? The claim or the shot?
I think the shot was bad, the claim wasn't to bad it came within decent time and was reasonable besides the shot.
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Basically i'm in a spot where I have one to many town reads
B0ston I think is obvious, Squishy is the second I think.
The problem comes in on the third
Ika, Calix, Onegu, DF
I've excluded myself and Kmatt as I won't think about lynching either ^_-.
I think Onegu is the lynch of choice for mafia here unless some mega bussing is going on which probably just makes him town and mafia thought was an easy hit.
Ika kind of looks the weirdest just locking into the list and fighting iwth his scum read instead of trying to really convince the thread.
DF makes some decent posts and has good activity.
The problem lies all three of these people (calix, df and ika) have really good activity. The thing about Ika here is that not really wanting to switch to B0ston and the weird post about one scum inbetween onegu/Damdred/Calix when just before was thinking the scum team was exactly Calix/Onegu/DF I believe.
The more I think about it the more I don't like it, but first B0ston.
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I'm here now! just playing with my puppy mwhaha i'll be in and out for a bit though.
it makes onegu town. So that leave (to you) 3 of the most active people in the game as the last scum besides squishy what do you think about the ika stuff?
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Yeah but on the same side I kinda started the B0ston lynch instead of settling on onegu with all of you and letting the one twon lose the game basically.
And just as an aside its extremely bad scum play to start clearing people like I did ME (shitty reasons but right) and Onegu. Who are both potential mislynches.
Of course i'll be meh i've been in game like 36 hours at most but have found two scums so far. So thats not so meh after all hehe
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Not really to interested in defending myself yet though.
Not sure why you think i'm meh though (though you always do to some extent)
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On January 13 2017 02:43 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:
Yeah but on the same side I kinda started the B0ston lynch instead of settling on onegu with all of you and letting the one twon lose the game basically.
And just as an aside its extremely bad scum play to start clearing people like I did ME (shitty reasons but right) and Onegu. Who are both potential mislynches.
Of course i'll be meh i've been in game like 36 hours at most but have found two scums so far. So thats not so meh after all hehe I don't think who votes for someone first in MYLO is a town tell, sorry to break it to you  Your second point is kinda why I have doubts about you because you initially jumped into the game and was like "oh DF's probably scum" and explained it and then he made this one post and you dropped it. At this point, I'm not sure that scum would set up a scum-read like that and then drop it so quick.
Naw i'm nto saying first vote is a town tell, i'm saying that there is no way that its good scum play in tripple mylo to give both of your scum mates up and then clear two easy lynches.
But its not really worth talking about. I did find scum though I thin in squishy and b0ston. So not sure why none of this is playing into your read except of one read proression i made?
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Ikas grack interactions sort of look strange, its like hes trying to talk grack into thinking grack is scum. Really antagonistic and some of it really seems to be tilt worthy to an extent.
Really interesting that
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On January 13 2017 02:50 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 02:46 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2017 02:43 Calix wrote:On January 13 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:
Yeah but on the same side I kinda started the B0ston lynch instead of settling on onegu with all of you and letting the one twon lose the game basically.
And just as an aside its extremely bad scum play to start clearing people like I did ME (shitty reasons but right) and Onegu. Who are both potential mislynches.
Of course i'll be meh i've been in game like 36 hours at most but have found two scums so far. So thats not so meh after all hehe I don't think who votes for someone first in MYLO is a town tell, sorry to break it to you Your second point is kinda why I have doubts about you because you initially jumped into the game and was like "oh DF's probably scum" and explained it and then he made this one post and you dropped it. At this point, I'm not sure that scum would set up a scum-read like that and then drop it so quick. Naw i'm nto saying first vote is a town tell, i'm saying that there is no way that its good scum play in tripple mylo to give both of your scum mates up and then clear two easy lynches. But its not really worth talking about. I did find scum though I thin in squishy and b0ston. So not sure why none of this is playing into your read except of one read proression i made? Because the only person in the game that doesn't think those two are scummy is ika.
I blind read squishy filter and came back scum than thought B0ston was scum after his float about who thought kels slot was scummy enough to lynch. (humble brag for post game)
But really there are a multitude of reasons you shoudl really town read me at this juncture unless you really think I will give up two of my scum mates to take a weird assortment of people to final mylo to try to win it on my own merits instead of just killing onegu <.<
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On January 13 2017 02:50 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 02:46 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2017 02:43 Calix wrote:On January 13 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:
Yeah but on the same side I kinda started the B0ston lynch instead of settling on onegu with all of you and letting the one twon lose the game basically.
And just as an aside its extremely bad scum play to start clearing people like I did ME (shitty reasons but right) and Onegu. Who are both potential mislynches.
Of course i'll be meh i've been in game like 36 hours at most but have found two scums so far. So thats not so meh after all hehe I don't think who votes for someone first in MYLO is a town tell, sorry to break it to you Your second point is kinda why I have doubts about you because you initially jumped into the game and was like "oh DF's probably scum" and explained it and then he made this one post and you dropped it. At this point, I'm not sure that scum would set up a scum-read like that and then drop it so quick. Naw i'm nto saying first vote is a town tell, i'm saying that there is no way that its good scum play in tripple mylo to give both of your scum mates up and then clear two easy lynches. But its not really worth talking about. I did find scum though I thin in squishy and b0ston. So not sure why none of this is playing into your read except of one read proression i made? Because the only person in the game that doesn't think those two are scummy is ika.
In this regard its interesting because Ika did think both of these were scummy people at points then moved them to town or back to scum at different points.
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I got to think about it for a few about ika. Like he has some red flags I think, but then he has this interaction when I entered the game to try to get some form of read going maybe? not much comes of it though as he doesn't really talk about me much but now i'm in his top three.
DF is also interesting as he ust throws out about ika and dissapears again. goign outside then will be back
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On January 13 2017 07:15 Onegu wrote:
Man fuck Holyflare and LS dude was red checked by the confirmed cop, how the hell did you let him lynch me and unvote LS?
Naw bro, me you la we're on hf and ls switched to me to give you plurality less even though a had the game won.
Never forget.
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It's almost like a scum claim.
Like if ika knows her town he never says if I (or anyone) move my vote to Boston we are guaranteed someone on it is scum.
Right now if he knows he is town than someone on thw wagon already is guaranteed scum, unless he slipped admitting everyone off wagon is scum.
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On January 14 2017 01:26 darthfoley wrote:
like idk how you can expect anyone to just believe you that you would've killed your scummate D1 when there was a TvT claim/cc going on
Mind meld.
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Just show us why the others are scum ika you are like the third lynch right now....its not like everyone is sold exactly just explain why calix or darth are scum.
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I'm not buddyign you i'm trying to actually get you to play instead of tilting over nothing.
there is roughly 5 hours before the lynch happens if you don't think b0ston is scum nows not the time to hold back when you know we lose if hes town?
I think Squishy is mafia and I think B0ston is mafia. Am I wrong on either and why exactly?
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Heres the thing about NK, the argument I wouldn't necessarily kill X because of their read on me isn't really a good argument in that regard for these reasons.
1) You could kill that person to frame the people they were suspecting and you can be like well they were town i'll just sheep them.
As an aside to this point I appreciate the sentiment of sheeping towns who are dead at points, but why just this one why not vivax as well? Who might I add is a good player in most cases and his kill is a lot more interesting than the last one. (vivax wasn't as universally town read)
2) You kill that person to make this exact argument duh, I wouldn't kill them they hard town read me.
There are other reasons of course, but there are a ton of answers why scum kill certain people. If there was just one scum left I could see the argument better but there are three so its a bit harder. Neither kill necessarily points towards you exactly though.
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On January 14 2017 04:17 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:12 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote:
Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you? name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong 1. She was literally universally townread; basically she was like Kmatt but without the role so she was never gonna MLK 2. Her inquisitive questions towards other people might've scared scum
These are good reasoning for the kill, SW would of never been lynched this game I think.
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How about this ika.
I don't think DarthFoley would take so much of his time (while a lynch is secure) to try to get reads or reactions/reasoning from you as scum.
Do you disagree or agree with this statement and why?
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On January 14 2017 04:24 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:17 darthfoley wrote:On January 14 2017 04:12 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote:
Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you? name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong 1. She was literally universally townread; basically she was like Kmatt but without the role so she was never gonna MLK 2. Her inquisitive questions towards other people might've scared scum 1) she had 2 towns voting her at EOD. not really "universally town read" 2) already gave that idea out on the "she was narrowing the scum pool of who it was"
Both towns were dead by the time the kill happened, and one of the town voting on her was lynched. So your first point is kinda a non point all alive players were town reading SK basically.
While I appreciate teh sentiment about peoples reads beig better she never really finished her reads list we just have three people thrown out asked if someone else liked the team. The thread can't really know where she was going with it really.
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On January 14 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:20 Damdred wrote:
How about this ika.
I don't think DarthFoley would take so much of his time (while a lynch is secure) to try to get reads or reactions/reasoning from you as scum.
Do you disagree or agree with this statement and why? yes. if theres anythingn that makes me more paranoid then ever is when someoen does this kind of stuff or makes this kind of reasonsing i cant even begin to count the number of games scums have used the "well treat him like town and work with him" meathod to try to manipulate me. this is why i just want the god damned day to be over, im paranoid about fucking everything and i have nobody i can trust to tlak ot
If you think B0ston is town (which you still haven't answered yet) then it doesn't matter and he should just fuck off as the game is over at this point.
Darths other scum games though don't really even remotely look like doing things to make myself look good when I don't have to but meh. That part really isn't important, and honestly theres probably three easy town reads in the thread in my mind so just need to make the effort.
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On January 14 2017 04:29 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:27 Damdred wrote:On January 14 2017 04:24 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:17 darthfoley wrote:On January 14 2017 04:12 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote:
Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you? name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong 1. She was literally universally townread; basically she was like Kmatt but without the role so she was never gonna MLK 2. Her inquisitive questions towards other people might've scared scum 1) she had 2 towns voting her at EOD. not really "universally town read" 2) already gave that idea out on the "she was narrowing the scum pool of who it was" Both towns were dead by the time the kill happened, and one of the town voting on her was lynched. So your first point is kinda a non point all alive players were town reading SK basically. While I appreciate teh sentiment about peoples reads beig better she never really finished her reads list we just have three people thrown out asked if someone else liked the team. The thread can't really know where she was going with it really. Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 14 2017 04:24 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:17 darthfoley wrote:On January 14 2017 04:12 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote:
Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you? name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong 1. She was literally universally townread; basically she was like Kmatt but without the role so she was never gonna MLK 2. Her inquisitive questions towards other people might've scared scum 1) she had 2 towns voting her at EOD. not really "universally town read" 2) already gave that idea out on the "she was narrowing the scum pool of who it was" ME's vote was pure salt, and as we know btdt didn't know what the hell he was doing this game both of these do not change the point they were town nor does it change that she had votes on her. i mean if you really want to make the argument about it, matt is confirmed town and he didnt die. so it leads to one or more of the reasons that have beens tated. i dont get why all the reasons have to be exclusive to each other
Just from the past few days i've been in game Matt while confirmed town is ueseless there is no reason to waste a kill on him atm.
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I'm unsure how its a scum driven wagon exactly when (if your town) only one person on it is probably scum (squish and b0Ston the scum in this situation)
Unless you really think we have lost the game tbh.
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Not worth fighting about i'll be back later
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Apologies for not playing better to an extent really hard coming in basically in Mylo.
Really should of stuck with the Df scrum read tsk.
But yeah vivax played well, still confused why me titled so hard over nothing in my mind.
Calif my biggest criticism would probably be you really are passive seeming as scum. It piqued my interest a couple of times the fights you were getting into really didn't lead to to much.
D3 df played amazingly to have the game in the bag imo really inc in both of you there.
Really I don't think to am ever wins this situation in a game to many things happened.
Gg all though
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Like by the time I left I felt in a was town, if I had another ml and Boston was dead I think the game was winnable but not like this sadly
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On January 14 2017 10:16 disformation wrote:
Well you came in as a super questionable slot and were instantly obvious town.
Not often anymore people say this you know
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On January 14 2017 10:20 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 10:17 Damdred wrote:On January 14 2017 10:16 disformation wrote:
Well you came in as a super questionable slot and were instantly obvious town. Not often anymore people say this you know Maybe it was because obvscum!Calix was trying to discredit you the moment you walked in If it's any consolation, the reaction on Skype to seeing that you were the replacement was...amusing. Speaking of that, shout out to DF and squishy who were great to play with. It's a refreshing change to have a team who you can actually work with instead of lugging around like dead-weight.
Curioust what the reaction was.
There wwere three times I thought Calix was scrum I just really didn't want to start a shit fight today.
1) When I came into the game and calix kept hedging without giving a true read on me (day three also).
2) when I found good things in squishy and calix was like nope. It was actually good proof I just thought boston was a good shot as scum.
3) when I thought df was scrum kinda got attacked a small bit. But when I started rethinking my read on him was like maybe you are town.
I think I could of came around given more time but I kinda doubt it. Or that a would of lynched Darth correctly.
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Oh also was a fourth, when I went to voting boston you kinda steeped me when though you weren't sure or on record about me being town. Really was red flag worthy
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Emotion is something hard to change but I think it's better to strive to being the scrum game up than push that part of your town game down.
I think I struggle with the same thing and have really tired to change my acun game. It's really rewarding when you trick people in meta
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It just depends.
If a mafia can infiltrate the town circle and start the virus and distrust. Like a lot of mafia wins are due to distrust between towns I think.
But I mean a decent mafia team makes it hard for a to an to organize and actually have some from of decent town behavior.
Idk hard to say
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On January 14 2017 10:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 10:50 Damdred wrote:
Emotion is something hard to change but I think it's better to strive to being the scrum game up than push that part of your town game down.
I think I struggle with the same thing and have really tired to change my acun game. It's really rewarding when you trick people in meta We did it together in Cell and fooled people very well there lol.
We win our cells baby
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Both grack and bdtdt were bad lynches though.
Like should of lynched outside them and let mafia deal with it. Mafia has to shoot one and rb the other of both are town anyway.
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Next one is thevqualifer game that's missing two people I believe
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We've had a long talks about this. Each hosts games are effectively their own property (loosely) they have imminent domain over the rules in this game.
So will always have different ops generally.
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